Ace and carpenter also both have bright red hair. Perhaps Ace, like the carpenter, has ambitions to be like the walrus, but ends up being betrayed himself after he commits his act of betrayal towards us.
Idea that probably will get me laughed at: currently, in Book 7 the gang is fleeing OB Malleus in the dream world and maybe they end up in Ace’s dream. What if Malleus tricks Ace into revealing their location?
At first, I thought that this wasn't gonna happen. Ace has zero motivation to work for STYKs, Crowley or Ambros. A plot twist like that would be stupid, come outta nowhere and be completely OOC for Ace since he cares too much about the others to backstab them like that. After watching your other video, I can only see this going down if it's under the circumstances you said in your video. Ace has a bunch of walls up and isn't very honest with his emotions, so I can see him snapping and smashing the mirror to prevent Yuu from going home.
For me this card acted more of proof that Ace is king Arthur. A theory I have had since 2022. Ace goes on about how the oysters where fooled by the walrus based on his looks, which I took it to mean these two things. - If Ace is king Arthur it dose go along with the walrus, since in the Sword in the stone movie Wart/Arthur was never thought to be royalty, until the pulled the sword from the stone. And no one thought a kid would be king. So the Oysters thinking the walrus was something else dose line up with him. -Oysters are known to have pearls in them, which for a lot of people pearls are always around royalty. So a Oyster hiding said pearl could connect to Ace's true origins. I have so much more to tell but I want to end it with two things. Also Ace has been very opened to wanting to hang out with the MC. I think it was his birthday cards in the home menu where he speaks very openly about this.
Personally, I think Ace may be the most similar to the carpenter, bcs I noticed that whenever he tries to trick someone, the situation turns againt him. Like f.e. he tried cheating in book 3, got scammed by Azul, tried to do some casual bullying in prolouge, had to risk his life to stay in school. So just like the carpenter, he thinks he's tricking someone, when in the end he always ends up getting the shorter end of the stick. Or maybe I'm just overinterpreting this :pp
His name is trappola why isn’t it ace hearts like we have Riddle Rosehearts, Trey Clover, Cater Diamond, Deuce Spade. But ace is the only one without that iconic last name
I thought this but he technically still works in the heart suit! It's most likely the reason why Heartslabyul has five members unlike other dorms; I recently learnt that if you have five cards where one is spade, one is club/clover, one is diamond and two are hearts then that's what's considered a full house. Basically it's just another card game reference lol Altho Ace's (most obvious) inspiration from the Disney Villain Recruiters is named Jack Heart - his outfit is also definitely what inspired the uniform for Heartslabyul's dorm outfits
Hey there! Since the comment section in part 2 of the ace theory was disabled I just wanted to remind you another point that backs up how 'ace craves more validation from yuu', is that in the ghost bride event we can explicitly see Ace feeling the most reassured only after Yuu tells him he looks good despite having already gotten an opinion stating he looked good from rook-😭
omg that's so cute🥺I'd also like to add that in book 7 during Lilia's farewell party, Yuu sees a vision about seeing Maleficent in a party and then they feel dizzy, Ace notices this and telling Deuce to greet Lilia so then they can leave the party early since Yuu seems sick. This just proves that Ace actually cares for Yuu
@@pipitayun.r2763 I hope he does care because I love him so much! (Not my favourite,but he's always been seemingly so close to the MC like their best friend so I formed a connection to him as well) I really hope nothing bad happens...
Ace talks about the walrus and how deceiving his appearance is before “pitying?” the tricked oysters. I always had a theory that Ace WILL to trick/betray someone (may not necessarily be Yuu but there is a good chance) but ended up being tricked instead. He idolised the walrus’ tactic but ended up being the oysters lol 😂 this also supports why we don’t see the walrus and only the oysters
For me, maybe it's a foreshadowing for Ace's UM. He good at tricking others, right? He also good at mimic others like at chapter 3. He mimic Cater's personality if Cater was there, would capture pictures. I mean, he betray Yuu?? He seems care of his friends especially at chapter 1 (he punch Riddle) and chapter 4 (He use public transportations to go school for Yuu). Maybe he is a key to defeat Malleus? I thinking he could use his UM, maybe Shapeshifter, turn into someone That Malleus love(in family way, maybe Lilia?) to trick him. Well Idk what is right or wrong but this is my theory. Forgive me for bad grammar 😅
This is my opinion too. The card game his name references has some VERY interesting rules, that in turn reference the other freshman. VERY long story short, Trappola is a game where you trick your opponent into discarding high level cards. With the Ace having the most points. The other cards with value (King, Cavalier and Jack) could be argued to represent the other freshmen (Epel, Sebek and… Jack). Which leaves Deuce. In the game Trappola, when a card is discarded alongside a Deuce, there is a boost in points. So nearly all the freshman are represented in this game. It’s food for thought at least
I remember Ace revealing that his least favorite food is oysters because he felt bad watching the scene as a kid (still trips me up that the movies are canon in twst). I agree that Ace's loyalty to Yuu is something that would stop him from betraying them intentionally, instead I focused more on instances of Ace being tricked, because even though he's a good liar he is still quite gullible some times. Like during chapter one when he believes Trey about the oyster sauce and in Spectral Soiree when he believes Rook's (possibly) false story about being stranded in the woods. I think it would be more of an Azul situation like in Chapter 3, where he does something for his own gain, but gets tricked. I think Ace might do something to help get ahead in something with a seemingly harmless deal but ends up screwing Yuu over, like how they had to put Ramshackle up as collateral. To add to the note of the Walrus not being present in the picture, I don't think the parallels are between the walrus and Ace, but rather Ace, the older oyster, and the younger oysters. The logical part of him has a bad feeling about what he's about to do, but the reckless and more gullible/inexperienced side of him convinces him to do it.
Honestly the best thing that can happen now that we tackle Levan/Crowley in book 7 and find out Ace was the mastermind in book 8 ! Also guess have to wait a bit!💜✨ Interested in your evidences!!!
Maybe the proper gentleman is Malleus? The elder could be Lilia but for some reason deuce feels right in my soul the story of The Walrus and the Carpenter reminds me of chapter 7, with the Walrus putting them to forever sleep and the elder clam trying to warm/stop them from that fate in a way
Oh god! I watched the 2nd part and it feels like whoa! What happens if this makes Ace's UM fester where he can just restart a part he likes and the cycle continues! Just like restarting a card game as a dealer!! 😭😭 Honestly that essay was super good Mari!! I can't imagine the amount if hardwork you much have been put into it!!! Thank you so much for sharing it with us!!!💜✨ (And yesh , I would infact like to see these videos more too)!!!
Maybe it relates to the Grim loop theory? Like maybe he's eluding to Grim's appearance being deceiving not necessarily his own? Or maybe where there's a theory every overblot student has some indirect familial tie to their respective 7\phantom maybe he's the one that's actually related to the queen of hearts not Riddle and he's super powerful but faking being a lot less so than he is until the MC is in real danger? idk Cause a lot points to it including that Heartslabyul has the MOST characters of any other dorm where the max is 4 Heartslabyul has 5 and so why are they the only dorm with 5?
@@princessmacarons9347 Fair enough, eheh. I was just confused since you mentioned wanting to see the comments in the video, but I couldn’t actually leave a comment because they were closed.
@@princessmacarons9347 Actually, the theory gets brought back almost every time Ace has a card revealed lol The last one was literally his Halloween SSR where some speculated he might follow in Fellow and Gidel's footsteps. It's not dead, just not as big a theory as it was in the beginning
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Ace’s least favorite food is oysters too! So it’s like? Because you feel bad for them? Is he more the carpenter who helped the Walrus?
ngl i didn't even think of that askdjfhaslkdjf
Ace and carpenter also both have bright red hair. Perhaps Ace, like the carpenter, has ambitions to be like the walrus, but ends up being betrayed himself after he commits his act of betrayal towards us.
Idea that probably will get me laughed at: currently, in Book 7 the gang is fleeing OB Malleus in the dream world and maybe they end up in Ace’s dream. What if Malleus tricks Ace into revealing their location?
Oh that would be EXTREMELY interesting
I was shocked that they chose the walrus scene because it's so dark
IT IS and it just felt so out of left field like THAT WAS THE REFERENCE YOU CHOSE???
@@princessmacarons9347 when I rewatched the movie as a adult I was shocked at how dark that scene was
At first, I thought that this wasn't gonna happen. Ace has zero motivation to work for STYKs, Crowley or Ambros. A plot twist like that would be stupid, come outta nowhere and be completely OOC for Ace since he cares too much about the others to backstab them like that.
After watching your other video, I can only see this going down if it's under the circumstances you said in your video. Ace has a bunch of walls up and isn't very honest with his emotions, so I can see him snapping and smashing the mirror to prevent Yuu from going home.
Also the plays in Trappola are called tricks. So it’s not a turn, it’s a “trick”
Also Ace’s least favorite food is oysters… it’s so weird
oh oopsies lmao
@@princessmacarons9347oh I wasn’t trying to correct you! Just adding context to the game which adds to the traitor theory!
OOPSIES AGAIN alkjsdhfals my bad, I tend to assume things are corrections orz Sorry T-T
@@princessmacarons9347I’m sorry I should have clarified! I appreciate you a ton!
@@Alexsometimeswrites No it's totally on me! You don't need to apologize for anything!!!
Honestly Mc shouldn't be even suprised at this point. Rhey already got enough trauma in NCR that would normally put someone like me into coma
For me this card acted more of proof that Ace is king Arthur. A theory I have had since 2022.
Ace goes on about how the oysters where fooled by the walrus based on his looks, which I took it to mean these two things.
- If Ace is king Arthur it dose go along with the walrus, since in the Sword in the stone movie Wart/Arthur was never thought to be royalty, until the pulled the sword from the stone. And no one thought a kid would be king. So the Oysters thinking the walrus was something else dose line up with him.
-Oysters are known to have pearls in them, which for a lot of people pearls are always around royalty. So a Oyster hiding said pearl could connect to Ace's true origins.
I have so much more to tell but I want to end it with two things. Also Ace has been very opened to wanting to hang out with the MC. I think it was his birthday cards in the home menu where he speaks very openly about this.
Personally, I think Ace may be the most similar to the carpenter, bcs I noticed that whenever he tries to trick someone, the situation turns againt him. Like f.e. he tried cheating in book 3, got scammed by Azul, tried to do some casual bullying in prolouge, had to risk his life to stay in school. So just like the carpenter, he thinks he's tricking someone, when in the end he always ends up getting the shorter end of the stick. Or maybe I'm just overinterpreting this :pp
His name is trappola why isn’t it ace hearts like we have Riddle Rosehearts, Trey Clover, Cater Diamond, Deuce Spade. But ace is the only one without that iconic last name
apparently Trappola is the name of a card game so it’s still on brand with the rest of the dorm
I thought this but he technically still works in the heart suit! It's most likely the reason why Heartslabyul has five members unlike other dorms; I recently learnt that if you have five cards where one is spade, one is club/clover, one is diamond and two are hearts then that's what's considered a full house. Basically it's just another card game reference lol
Altho Ace's (most obvious) inspiration from the Disney Villain Recruiters is named Jack Heart - his outfit is also definitely what inspired the uniform for Heartslabyul's dorm outfits
Seeing an ace traitor theory after so long of searching literally brings a tear to my eye
Hey there! Since the comment section in part 2 of the ace theory was disabled I just wanted to remind you another point that backs up how 'ace craves more validation from yuu', is that in the ghost bride event we can explicitly see Ace feeling the most reassured only after Yuu tells him he looks good despite having already gotten an opinion stating he looked good from rook-😭
omg that's so cute🥺I'd also like to add that in book 7 during Lilia's farewell party, Yuu sees a vision about seeing Maleficent in a party and then they feel dizzy, Ace notices this and telling Deuce to greet Lilia so then they can leave the party early since Yuu seems sick. This just proves that Ace actually cares for Yuu
@@pipitayun.r2763 I hope he does care because I love him so much! (Not my favourite,but he's always been seemingly so close to the MC like their best friend so I formed a connection to him as well)
I really hope nothing bad happens...
@@All-Unkowing I hope so too😭he's so pookie bear coded
@@pipitayun.r2763 the trauma we have to deal with with book 7 is already enough 😭
"Heh te nendayo"
Nice little Paimon reference you did there 😂
Ace talks about the walrus and how deceiving his appearance is before “pitying?” the tricked oysters. I always had a theory that Ace WILL to trick/betray someone (may not necessarily be Yuu but there is a good chance) but ended up being tricked instead. He idolised the walrus’ tactic but ended up being the oysters lol 😂 this also supports why we don’t see the walrus and only the oysters
For me, maybe it's a foreshadowing for Ace's UM. He good at tricking others, right? He also good at mimic others like at chapter 3. He mimic Cater's personality if Cater was there, would capture pictures. I mean, he betray Yuu?? He seems care of his friends especially at chapter 1 (he punch Riddle) and chapter 4 (He use public transportations to go school for Yuu). Maybe he is a key to defeat Malleus? I thinking he could use his UM, maybe Shapeshifter, turn into someone That Malleus love(in family way, maybe Lilia?) to trick him. Well Idk what is right or wrong but this is my theory. Forgive me for bad grammar 😅
And I'm sure my theory doesn't make any sense 😑
This is my opinion too. The card game his name references has some VERY interesting rules, that in turn reference the other freshman.
VERY long story short, Trappola is a game where you trick your opponent into discarding high level cards. With the Ace having the most points. The other cards with value (King, Cavalier and Jack) could be argued to represent the other freshmen (Epel, Sebek and… Jack). Which leaves Deuce. In the game Trappola, when a card is discarded alongside a Deuce, there is a boost in points. So nearly all the freshman are represented in this game. It’s food for thought at least
As an ex Genshin theorist in multiple server circles, this is not far fetched in my realm.
Gives me another reason to absolutely pummel this ginger 🥊
I remember Ace revealing that his least favorite food is oysters because he felt bad watching the scene as a kid (still trips me up that the movies are canon in twst).
I agree that Ace's loyalty to Yuu is something that would stop him from betraying them intentionally, instead I focused more on instances of Ace being tricked, because even though he's a good liar he is still quite gullible some times. Like during chapter one when he believes Trey about the oyster sauce and in Spectral Soiree when he believes Rook's (possibly) false story about being stranded in the woods. I think it would be more of an Azul situation like in Chapter 3, where he does something for his own gain, but gets tricked. I think Ace might do something to help get ahead in something with a seemingly harmless deal but ends up screwing Yuu over, like how they had to put Ramshackle up as collateral.
To add to the note of the Walrus not being present in the picture, I don't think the parallels are between the walrus and Ace, but rather Ace, the older oyster, and the younger oysters. The logical part of him has a bad feeling about what he's about to do, but the reckless and more gullible/inexperienced side of him convinces him to do it.
Honestly the best thing that can happen now that we tackle Levan/Crowley in book 7 and find out Ace was the mastermind in book 8 !
Also guess have to wait a bit!💜✨ Interested in your evidences!!!
Maybe the proper gentleman is Malleus? The elder could be Lilia but for some reason deuce feels right in my soul
the story of The Walrus and the Carpenter reminds me of chapter 7, with the Walrus putting them to forever sleep and the elder clam trying to warm/stop them from that fate in a way
Oh god! I watched the 2nd part and it feels like whoa! What happens if this makes Ace's UM fester where he can just restart a part he likes and the cycle continues! Just like restarting a card game as a dealer!! 😭😭
Honestly that essay was super good Mari!! I can't imagine the amount if hardwork you much have been put into it!!! Thank you so much for sharing it with us!!!💜✨
(And yesh , I would infact like to see these videos more too)!!!
Maybe it relates to the Grim loop theory? Like maybe he's eluding to Grim's appearance being deceiving not necessarily his own? Or maybe where there's a theory every overblot student has some indirect familial tie to their respective 7\phantom maybe he's the one that's actually related to the queen of hearts not Riddle and he's super powerful but faking being a lot less so than he is until the MC is in real danger? idk Cause a lot points to it including that Heartslabyul has the MOST characters of any other dorm where the max is 4 Heartslabyul has 5 and so why are they the only dorm with 5?
Hey, uh, the comments on part 2 are disabled. Idk if that was intentional, but I figured I’d try to bring it up just in case.
Dw, I know. I turned them off before making it public this morning.
@@princessmacarons9347 Fair enough, eheh. I was just confused since you mentioned wanting to see the comments in the video, but I couldn’t actually leave a comment because they were closed.
@@sailorenthusiast Yeah, it was a last-minute decision.
Sucks I'll never see this come to fruition because I still can't get past Book 6 😂😭
Didn’t think this is a theory…
Yeah it'd been dead for a LONG time. Tbh I had forgotten about it entirely until PJ Ace
@@princessmacarons9347 Actually, the theory gets brought back almost every time Ace has a card revealed lol The last one was literally his Halloween SSR where some speculated he might follow in Fellow and Gidel's footsteps. It's not dead, just not as big a theory as it was in the beginning