It’s remarkable 🎉how much you both are still so in touch and in tune with your core values for not only what this community is. From watching these older videos and now being part of this community applaud your commitment. Well done
Those numbered marks on secondary hull are for magnetic docking clamps, when ship is in drydock on ground. In designing they were placed there to show lineage of ship from our ships which have water line numbers.
I don't necessarily think that the manuals are contradicting each other, but rather showing possible re-fitting, re-arranging, and trying out new things to improve storage space, and or efficiency. As they have gone to spacedock, and mention repairs and stuff in the series. Things change when you get the ship fixed up. Like what McCoy said in TMP: "I know engineers; they love to change things."
Okay, I have not seen the episode in a long time, but I know this image is from "Day of the Dove" and each level you see here translates to two levels on the ship.
In TOS in certain episodes we see two different engine room depending on the story plots. My explanation is one is the warp engine room and one is the impulse engine room
One reason the anti-matter storage is near the bottom of the ship and not deep inside is because of the potential need to eject the anti-matter in the case of failing containment. Remember, anti-matter will mutually annihilate any matter it contacts (not just the deuterium stored specifically for that purpose), so if the magnetic bottles fail, they need to get it away from the ship FAST. If it's in the center of the ship, they're screwed.
The pods in the middle of the engineering floor - Scotty's secret whisky stills? They appear in episodes where his stocks are running down. Everyone else either just thinks that they are engineering equipment or keep quiet because they want to avoid having to clear out the human waste tanks again (its all gotta go somewhere).
I believe they are showing different areas of Engineering. The pods in the middle of engineering were shown in a couple of episodes to contain the dilithium crystal matrix.
Maybe when it says Starship Class, whoever was in charge of the typing up the plaque at the San Francisco yard pressed 'tab' too early and that's just there to say, "Type in the starship class here" and he just dropped the ball. Then when they printed it out, they just rolled with it.
Just a thought on the torpedo launchers under the bridge section. The Bridge is going to be one of the heavily shielded/armored sections of the ship so putting explosive ordnance in that area may make sense. If the ship has a photon torpedo magazine penetration it is history in any case.
I don't remember if it was the blueprints or the Tech Manual, but one of them said all the elevator stations had a turbo-elevator at them. When one was activated, the one at the destination would take a different route to replace it.
Turbolifts are pretty advanced tech if you think about it considering we currently still do not have elevators that can go sideways as well as up and down.
LOL, So after doing some math and working on plans for a Constitution model. I have come to the realization that the Filming Model that is in the Smithsonian is very damn close to 1/84th scale. Their claim that it is 1/96th scale is in error. The math doesn't divide right with his measurements and to what the actual length of the ship would be if it were really built. Not to mention that there were several line drawings in 3 or 4 sources claiming that the filming model was 10 feet long when it was really 11 foot 3 and a half inches. Then on top of that their was 2 separate meter claims with one being accurate at 288.64 meters, but some sources claimed 289.7 which doesn't correctly match the 947 feet that is marked as the ships actual length if it were built. So dividing 11,364 inches ( = 947" ) by 84 we come up with 11.27 feet which after converting the decimal is damn close to the 11'3.5" that the modeler is claiming the filming model really is.
I love those tiny "length" markings. I made sure to include them on my own model. Somehow I assumed they were measurements of the ship by feet, maybe not.
that shot @ 14:35 if you guys are wondering is actualy shades of the Mirror Mirror epp. Where kirk and crew end up in the Terran Empire Universe. And indeed yes in time. But in Space aswell as time. on the Terran ISS Enterprise.
Some infrared sensors will use sapphire windows, as IR light can pass through sapphire lenses but not silica glass. That may be part of what's up with the four top squares.
30:20 the "Starship Class" - I have always watched TOS in a dubbed version and only recently noticed that there is a big distinction between "spaceship/space vessel" and "Starship" with TOS. I guess the reason why they used "starship class" at the very beginning, was that the Enterprise was supposed to be the first ship of this new "Starship" space vessel. I really like it how always pointed out that the Enterprise is a Starship and not some ordinary freighter.
I am no expert for space physics, but as far as I know, getting rid of heat and waste-energy in space is actually a problem. Space is cold, yes, but it is also vastly empty. In space, there is no air to conduct the heat. Thus, the only way to get it out are radiators (at least on our space station, that is). So, with the immense heat of plasma in the warp engines, it might actually make sense to have something like intercoolers.
***** Thanks for that explanation! I had an rough idea about that but I didn't know how scientifically accurate it was. What I always found interesting: In some SciFI universes, the heat production is actually the factor, that limits weapons and their usage in space. If you think about it, it makes sense. Energyweapons like phasers or disruptors or something like that, do produce the most waste-heat. A ship can only fire them so often before it is unable to get rid of all that heat and damages itself and its crew more than the enemy. I always thought, that could be an explanation why in StarTrek they don't throw on a dozen weapon platforms more on their ships. I mean, yes, the federation has it's reasons, but for klingons and so on, I imagine technical issues would be the only thing that prevents them from making a ship just a bunch of flying weapons. Maybe that is why the klingon birds of prey have those big wings. It is a giant surface to radiate the heat without making the ships profile from the front not that much easier to hit.
+Steven Stone Cloaking in Star Trek works a bit different however. More like creating a bumble which all forms of radiation travel around. And presumably all your radiation is kept inside. Or some form of phase shifting where to shift out of normal space. (or some weird combo of them both.) Funny enough as it thematicly based on submarines it would also make sense if they used a sort of "periscope" to peak out of the bubble. With the risk of detection of course. Naturally we have no idea on how this would really work just like we have no idea how the heck they cool there space ships. But maybe there some exotic form of negative kelvin heat sink technology in the future. A super advanced entropy sink. (Which may or may not be possible).
***** I did not think they did rotate it. The ring design has nothing to do with gravity generation. If it rotates is for other reasons. That I know. The layout what we see as the top of the station really is the top. I have wondered why we have yet to see any race play around with gravity planting more. Like have a area where the gravity is reversed. Actually that goes with ships in general in Sci-Fi. They never come from the top or bottom. Even when they do there rising up. Not flying up. Sure I get there is a galactic plane. But still. It is not like every star is on a 2 dimensional grid :P
Interesting. I have stated before that the scale that I came up with for the blue prints/line drawings made the filming model essentially 1/87 scale (HO Train scale). It was suggested to me that they didn't know if that was on purpose by Matt Jefferies or if he was just wanting to make the model 10 feet in length and it was an accident. since the writers guide, and the measurements were wrong, and the model is really 1/96 scale it makes more sense now that the scale was chosen by Matt Jefferies. This was a common scale for models of large naval ships like Battleships from the 1940's up into the 1970's and especially in RC ships. The European equivalent is 1/100 scale. The difference of the two scales are so small that it is only 3% different. So a model of a battleship in both scales is almost identical. I also find it interesting that the scale and system that is usually used in TOS Star Trek is Metric. I wonder if Gene did this on purpose because most of the world was using it, and he figured that in 200 years that the English Standard System would cease to exist. Anyway, good episode guys, and I know you filmed it almost 4 years back, but I haven't seen all of these yet.
23:05 You do realize that objects get really hot in space though, right? Burning off heat on space craft is actually a big problem for long term space travel.
In simple terms, how does a thermos keep its contents hot? By surrounding them with a vacuum. Though I would expect the Federation to have some kind of energy-recycling heat sink. Pesky implications of casually and routinely converting matter directly into energy.
The box "thing" on the floor in main engineering, if memory servers me correctly, houses the dilithium crystals or at least provides access to them. In the episode Elaan of Troyius Scotty accesses the damaged dilithium crystals in the unit and replaces them with the imperfect ones from the necklace given to Elaan by the ambassador thus restoring at least partial warp capability to the ship and saving the day.
Would love to see a Constitution II class!. A modern take that stays true to the Constitution refit from the TOS movies!. It would need to be huge and dwarf the Galaxy class!. 1000 meters!. Two meters of Polarized Ablative Armor!. No port holes just holographic projection windows !. 80 or so phaser arrays or pulse phaser turrets !. 1 huge phaser array that wraps around the whole saucer section ,10 forward firing photon/ quantum torpedo launchers 4 aft!. Maybe two Blue Andorian lance phasers like in TOS!. Huge launch bay filled with Danube runabouts!. And the first ship is named the KIRK!. Would be Awesome!!..
I appreciate the original Constitution because it was the one that set the tone, started it all. That NCC-1701 is legendary. But the NX-01 was a much cooler looking Enterprise. Maybe Im biased because I think it was a superior show? It was my favorite show for a number of reasons. I loved how they always got their asses kicked and still managed to survive. But the NX was sleek, realistic and it had a submarine vibe to it that help me to appreciate the aesthetic much more than the enterprise from TOS
When discussing aft weapons on the Enterprise you can't use the Defiant as an analog because the Defiant in In a Mirror Darkly had rear firing torpedoes. The Enterprise clearly doesn't as shown at 22:20 where you can see that it only has one rear firing phaser bank.
Those Constitution class ships u actualy show in that photo that were trashed were part of Commodore Wesley's War Game task force in TOS epp The Ultimate Computer. But I think the main one out of the that got destroyed the most was the USS Excalibur. While the Potemkmin or whatever it was called and the others were moving off.
23:08 Object don't cool/freeze in space, because of a lack of medium to cool it with. Sort of similar like soundwaves in space. Objects can be cooled through infrared radiation tho.
It seems that a lot of those Enterprise side-view blueprints, even the LCARS, don't correctly depict the shape of the secondary hull, with the upper part being conical (as was the TOS version), whereas the lower part is curvy (as was the refit).
Faybaugh The saucer design strikes me as an advanced *Federation* design: something that was the cumulation of multiple worlds' design philosophies and technologies. It annoyed me that the United Earth Starfleet was so much like the Federation version.
the white things on the floor are the Dilithium couplings ! in the EP the Elas, one of the aliens tampered with the Dilithium couplings to try to destroy the ship.
hey guys, I have watched about 50 episodes, and I'm a major trek fan, I'm 35 years of age, so tos was before my time and recently I have been watching the show because I felt I owed it to the franchise, I'm almost through season 2 and I'm finding that I have to force myself to continue watching, I hear you guys say Connie this and Connie that, but I just fail to see what makes it so great, I think the design leaves tons to be desired, and the stories and acting are just as undesirable, and quite frankly if I have to hear bones say kirk is dead one more time I'm just gonna flip out, please enlighten me as to what is so great about this, but I must say I do like all the movies, and I like all the other series even enterprise, do you guys like it so much just because it was the first or am I missing something? please let me know
TOS has like 5-10 acceptable episodes to watch. The guys that watched it come out obviously have more with it and it was pretty good for it's time. It's the start of an entire multiverse for the older fans.
its all about how it was the first decent sci fi show in alot of ways, yes its painful to see, but you have to remember, instead of comparing it to what came after, try watching what came before etc
@@aurorauplinks Yeah... "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" had done good-to-great science fiction on TV already, but they were anthology shows without a continuing cast of characters, a somewhat different beast. "Men Into Space" was a noble attempt at doing near-future hard science fiction, but it was a dry show that only lasted one season. So we had "Star Trek" coming into an episodic space-adventure genre whose previous well-known examples had been schlocky things like "Rocky Jones, Space Ranger", now doing real drama for grownups, taken seriously by the people who made it (aside from the occasional comic-relief episode). It was far and away superior. It had its share of clunkers, and the first half of season 1 and much of season 3 are uneven. But I think the best dozen or so episodes of Star Trek: TOS hold up very well today--though even with those, you do have to make some allowances for the era (some sexist dialogue, and of course the limitations of 1960s TV effects and sets).
i have a link for you you should watch, im not a huge tos fan, but i liked watching these, because they were nEW tos era feeling episodes though it took a episode or two to really enjoy them these are the voyages of the enterprise, according to a well assembled ad designed crew and cast with full sets that feel like the old show ua-cam.com/video/jUbEzLaDyjM/v-deo.html thats the prequel part of it here is the continuation but you have to use the list to go in order, through the bonus "season" they made to continue it, you should figure it out fairly quickly, the first was episode 00, this one is episode 01 ua-cam.com/video/jUTvu2s0eVk/v-deo.html
Gentlemen, I thank you for showing so much in this episode, but there is somewhere no trek tech explanation has gone before, Where is the damn Swimming Pool and Bowling Alley?
In mirror mirror (Tos) wasn't the alt enterprise the cage model (spiky engine) I could be wrong, it's been a few years . The other universe has less advanced teck ?
the number markings on the hull are nonsence markings. however in the star trek universe they indicate a hatch, port or some other structure. similar to the numbered bridge controls. A113, M212 ect.........
the Commander mentioned that there was NO way off the Bridge of the Constitution Class, this is not true. the Origional Technical guide to the Enterprise shows a hatch in the deck plating to climb down or up one deck. I don't think this was ever shown until First Contact. I cannot remember if it was shown in TNG, DS9 or Voyager. I would consider not having some sort if escape from the Bridge irrisponsable.
The Starship class actually refers to what the Enterprise was during the original TOS run. Originally the Enterprise was not a constitution class it was a Starship Class. Constitution Class did not become canon until ST:TMP when it was placed on the dedication plaque for the Connie refit.
+Matthew Gross Indeed. I remember this from a line Spock has in "The Doomsday Machine". I believe he mentions when they first come upon the Constellation, "by class, a Starship". Even Memory Alpha mentions that the Connies were consider a "Starship" class before they were a "Constitution" class (though it also mentions various images used in the show which mentions a "Constitution" class).
+Chris Talbot Spock says no such thing: "I have it on the sensors, Captain. By *configuration*, a starship stopped in space. She appears to be drifting." To my recollection, no one ever canonically called the Enterprise or any of her sister ships a "Starship-class vessel". In "The Menagerie, Part 1", it is canonically stated that starships are not a class but a type of space vessel: "Inspection tour of a cadet vessel. *Old Class J starship* One of the baffle plates ruptured." So by this point even, there was no "Starship-class", and certainly by the time of "Space Seed", the Enterprise was intended to be Constitution-class. And of course the movies and later TV series pretty much made it canon that it is Constitution-class.
Irrelevant, it is overridden by the far more numerous canon references. Take for example the U.S.S. Defiant NCC-1764 from "The Tholian Web" and the 2 IAMD episodes. Her dedication (not didcation) plaque clearly states that she is *Constitution*-class starship. Google it.
At no point during the original run of TOS do you ever see any other plaque than the Enterprises. If an adjustment was made it was done after the fact. Like in a remastered episode or another episode that featured a Connie. Their budget back then did not allow them to make such minor changes. During the TOS era she was a starship class only changed later to the connie.
The torpedo tubes below the bridge was, in fact, a Franz Joseph interpretation upon which Star Fleet Battles was based and not necessarily cannon. There's really no consistent on screen representation of weapon placement. It varied from one week to the next. I always found that to be especially irritating.
+Ron Anderson Er...when did it vary? To the best of my recollection, the show *always* had weapons fire coming from the dome at the bottom of the saucer section. The idea that these domes could fire phasers and photon torpedoes (which I figured were balls of energy; no casing) in any direction made perfect sense to me...it seemed to fit the tech that was being presented (mind you, I was 2 when the show first aired). I was actually a little disappointed when the Franz Joseph blueprints showed the phaser emitters were on the RING that surrounded the dome rather than the dome itself (I did not know about "cannon" yet).
11:00 - Romulan spy hiding behind the Bridge walls. Captain Kirk orders, "Total Silence" aboard the ship to avoid being discovered by another ship. Suddenly, everyone hears the hidden toilet flushing.
The "Deflector"... A "navigational deflector" is a good idea, and makes sense. BUT... It's OBVIOUS that the dish was originally not conceived as a "navigational deflector". It's a sensor dish. It's a parabolic dish with a sensor-spike, just like a satellite dish. That sort of device is for RECEIVING energy, not projecting it. The point of this is that there are elements of the original design that were deliberate and well thought out, that were later retconned to, at the very least, make less sense, or retconned to be just stupid and make no sense. But now those dumb things are "canon".
+TwoGun Gunnar Jefferies didn't even want the dish, it was more of a last minute thing. The Deflector was originally supposed to be behind a conning nose like on a plane.
I believe they are using it as the aircraft carrier USS Constellation was referred to as 'The Connie', USS Lexington was 'Lady Lex', the ship I was stationed on was USS Yorktown (CG-48) was called 'The Battlecruiser' (jokingly called The Cattlebruiser due to a pilot error entering port).
i like the oringal enterprise (which is my screen savior) and i wish jj abrams didn't ruin it. "i made the enterprise a hotrod " says jj Abrams, well screw you jj the enterprise is not a hotrod it is a exploration ship. oh captain foley your all-some and i am a captain of my ship which is now a rifit consitution. USS ENTERP1RSE NCC-901701
Raymond Conlon that i does not look like much of the orinal, the enginer hull is to small, the nacelle are bulk and to big, the interior is apple store with a wide big hollow space in the engineering hull, it is ugly and a disrespect to (Volmer Jensen, Mel Keys, and Vernon Sion) and supervised by Richard Datin
+Raymond Conlon I'll reply too since I don't like it either. Updating details is o.k., but the proportions are changed too much. Moving the engineering hull forward is just awkward. The alien looking warp engines are weird too, but not as bad as shifting the engineering hull forward. I agree with Tron about the Apple asthetic, which is totally out of place. What would have been better is if they'd kept the same Jet Age styling asthetic of the original Constitution and put more detail into it. Google "Kelvin-prise." This is perfect. It could be a little more perfect if it were taller and a touch sleeker than the Kelvin, but it's still perfect as-is.
It’s remarkable 🎉how much you both are still so in touch and in tune with your core values for not only what this community is. From watching these older videos and now being part of this community applaud your commitment. Well done
Those numbered marks on secondary hull are for magnetic docking clamps, when ship is in drydock on ground. In designing they were placed there to show lineage of ship from our ships which have water line numbers.
Floor thing is the Dilithium Chrystal Chamber.
I don't necessarily think that the manuals are contradicting each other, but rather showing possible re-fitting, re-arranging, and trying out new things to improve storage space, and or efficiency. As they have gone to spacedock, and mention repairs and stuff in the series. Things change when you get the ship fixed up.
Like what McCoy said in TMP: "I know engineers; they love to change things."
Okay, I have not seen the episode in a long time, but I know this image is from "Day of the Dove" and each level you see here translates to two levels on the ship.
17:00 That diagram isn't implying that there's one deck in the middle of the saucer. It is labeled 'Pressure Compartments'.
i guess it is pretty off topic but does anybody know of a good place to watch new series online ?
In TOS in certain episodes we see two different engine room depending on the story plots. My explanation is one is the warp engine room and one is the impulse engine room
One reason the anti-matter storage is near the bottom of the ship and not deep inside is because of the potential need to eject the anti-matter in the case of failing containment. Remember, anti-matter will mutually annihilate any matter it contacts (not just the deuterium stored specifically for that purpose), so if the magnetic bottles fail, they need to get it away from the ship FAST. If it's in the center of the ship, they're screwed.
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I am just watching this now as you approach 250!! Congrats guys and keep up the great work!!
The pods in the middle of the engineering floor - Scotty's secret whisky stills? They appear in episodes where his stocks are running down. Everyone else either just thinks that they are engineering equipment or keep quiet because they want to avoid having to clear out the human waste tanks again (its all gotta go somewhere).
I think in the 3rd season episode "Elaan of Troyius", that the pods were where the Dilithium crystal reaction chambers were located.
I believe they are showing different areas of Engineering. The pods in the middle of engineering were shown in a couple of episodes to contain the dilithium crystal matrix.
Maybe when it says Starship Class, whoever was in charge of the typing up the plaque at the San Francisco yard pressed 'tab' too early and that's just there to say, "Type in the starship class here" and he just dropped the ball. Then when they printed it out, they just rolled with it.
Just a thought on the torpedo launchers under the bridge section. The Bridge is going to be one of the heavily shielded/armored sections of the ship so putting explosive ordnance in that area may make sense. If the ship has a photon torpedo magazine penetration it is history in any case.
I don't remember if it was the blueprints or the Tech Manual, but one of them said all the elevator stations had a turbo-elevator at them. When one was activated, the one at the destination would take a different route to replace it.
Turbolifts are pretty advanced tech if you think about it considering we currently still do not have elevators that can go sideways as well as up and down.
LOL, So after doing some math and working on plans for a Constitution model. I have come to the realization that the Filming Model that is in the Smithsonian is very damn close to 1/84th scale. Their claim that it is 1/96th scale is in error. The math doesn't divide right with his measurements and to what the actual length of the ship would be if it were really built. Not to mention that there were several line drawings in 3 or 4 sources claiming that the filming model was 10 feet long when it was really 11 foot 3 and a half inches. Then on top of that their was 2 separate meter claims with one being accurate at 288.64 meters, but some sources claimed 289.7 which doesn't correctly match the 947 feet that is marked as the ships actual length if it were built.
So dividing 11,364 inches ( = 947" ) by 84 we come up with 11.27 feet which after converting the decimal is damn close to the 11'3.5" that the modeler is claiming the filming model really is.
I love those tiny "length" markings. I made sure to include them on my own model. Somehow I assumed they were measurements of the ship by feet, maybe not.
that shot @ 14:35 if you guys are wondering is actualy shades of the Mirror Mirror epp. Where kirk and crew end up in the Terran Empire Universe. And indeed yes in time. But in Space aswell as time.
on the Terran ISS Enterprise.
3:12 are actually 2 different constitution class ships, the one on the left is the the Farragut, and the one on the right is the Enterprise
Some infrared sensors will use sapphire windows, as IR light can pass through sapphire lenses but not silica glass. That may be part of what's up with the four top squares.
30:20 the "Starship Class" - I have always watched TOS in a dubbed version and only recently noticed that there is a big distinction between "spaceship/space vessel" and "Starship" with TOS. I guess the reason why they used "starship class" at the very beginning, was that the Enterprise was supposed to be the first ship of this new "Starship" space vessel. I really like it how always pointed out that the Enterprise is a Starship and not some ordinary freighter.
Yeah, it's obvious in the nomenclature of TOS that being classified as a "starship" made the Enterprise something very special among spacecraft.
I am no expert for space physics, but as far as I know, getting rid of heat and waste-energy in space is actually a problem. Space is cold, yes, but it is also vastly empty.
In space, there is no air to conduct the heat. Thus, the only way to get it out are radiators (at least on our space station, that is). So, with the immense heat of plasma in the warp engines, it might actually make sense to have something like intercoolers.
MrMartechi Thank you...I didn't have to write your comment!
Thanks for the tech breakdown. Gets complex fast, don't it? This is why Scotty is my fav character as engineer.
***** Thanks for that explanation! I had an rough idea about that but I didn't know how scientifically accurate it was.
What I always found interesting: In some SciFI universes, the heat production is actually the factor, that limits weapons and their usage in space. If you think about it, it makes sense. Energyweapons like phasers or disruptors or something like that, do produce the most waste-heat. A ship can only fire them so often before it is unable to get rid of all that heat and damages itself and its crew more than the enemy.
I always thought, that could be an explanation why in StarTrek they don't throw on a dozen weapon platforms more on their ships. I mean, yes, the federation has it's reasons, but for klingons and so on, I imagine technical issues would be the only thing that prevents them from making a ship just a bunch of flying weapons.
Maybe that is why the klingon birds of prey have those big wings. It is a giant surface to radiate the heat without making the ships profile from the front not that much easier to hit.
+Steven Stone Cloaking in Star Trek works a bit different however. More like creating a bumble which all forms of radiation travel around. And presumably all your radiation is kept inside. Or some form of phase shifting where to shift out of normal space. (or some weird combo of them both.)
Funny enough as it thematicly based on submarines it would also make sense if they used a sort of "periscope" to peak out of the bubble. With the risk of detection of course.
Naturally we have no idea on how this would really work just like we have no idea how the heck they cool there space ships. But maybe there some exotic form of negative kelvin heat sink technology in the future. A super advanced entropy sink. (Which may or may not be possible).
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I did not think they did rotate it. The ring design has nothing to do with gravity generation. If it rotates is for other reasons. That I know. The layout what we see as the top of the station really is the top.
I have wondered why we have yet to see any race play around with gravity planting more. Like have a area where the gravity is reversed.
Actually that goes with ships in general in Sci-Fi. They never come from the top or bottom. Even when they do there rising up. Not flying up. Sure I get there is a galactic plane. But still. It is not like every star is on a 2 dimensional grid :P
Interesting. I have stated before that the scale that I came up with for the blue prints/line drawings made the filming model essentially 1/87 scale (HO Train scale). It was suggested to me that they didn't know if that was on purpose by Matt Jefferies or if he was just wanting to make the model 10 feet in length and it was an accident.
since the writers guide, and the measurements were wrong, and the model is really 1/96 scale it makes more sense now that the scale was chosen by Matt Jefferies. This was a common scale for models of large naval ships like Battleships from the 1940's up into the 1970's and especially in RC ships. The European equivalent is 1/100 scale. The difference of the two scales are so small that it is only 3% different. So a model of a battleship in both scales is almost identical.
I also find it interesting that the scale and system that is usually used in TOS Star Trek is Metric. I wonder if Gene did this on purpose because most of the world was using it, and he figured that in 200 years that the English Standard System would cease to exist.
Anyway, good episode guys, and I know you filmed it almost 4 years back, but I haven't seen all of these yet.
23:05 You do realize that objects get really hot in space though, right? Burning off heat on space craft is actually a big problem for long term space travel.
In simple terms, how does a thermos keep its contents hot? By surrounding them with a vacuum.
Though I would expect the Federation to have some kind of energy-recycling heat sink. Pesky implications of casually and routinely converting matter directly into energy.
@@AndromedaRoach indeed.
Aww cmon Cap'n Foley, those things in the middle of the floor of engineering hold the Dilithium crystals.
The box "thing" on the floor in main engineering, if memory servers me correctly, houses the dilithium crystals or at least provides access to them. In the episode Elaan of Troyius Scotty accesses the damaged dilithium crystals in the unit and replaces them with the imperfect ones from the necklace given to Elaan by the ambassador thus restoring at least partial warp capability to the ship and saving the day.
Would love to see a Constitution II class!. A modern take that stays true to the Constitution refit from the TOS movies!. It would need to be huge and dwarf the Galaxy class!. 1000 meters!. Two meters of Polarized Ablative Armor!. No port holes just holographic projection windows !. 80 or so phaser arrays or pulse phaser turrets !. 1 huge phaser array that wraps around the whole saucer section ,10 forward firing photon/ quantum torpedo launchers 4 aft!. Maybe two Blue Andorian lance phasers like in TOS!. Huge launch bay filled with Danube runabouts!. And the first ship is named the KIRK!. Would be Awesome!!..
I appreciate the original Constitution because it was the one that set the tone, started it all. That NCC-1701 is legendary. But the NX-01 was a much cooler looking Enterprise. Maybe Im biased because I think it was a superior show? It was my favorite show for a number of reasons. I loved how they always got their asses kicked and still managed to survive. But the NX was sleek, realistic and it had a submarine vibe to it that help me to appreciate the aesthetic much more than the enterprise from TOS
Clear that tube I believe that is from "The Naked Time" it has been a long time but I do believe that is the episode you are thinking of.
I left the grid lines on my 1/350th TOS Enterprise model. For me I like them and prefer them too.
When discussing aft weapons on the Enterprise you can't use the Defiant as an analog because the Defiant in In a Mirror Darkly had rear firing torpedoes. The Enterprise clearly doesn't as shown at 22:20 where you can see that it only has one rear firing phaser bank.
Those Constitution class ships u actualy show in that photo that were trashed were part of Commodore Wesley's War Game task force in TOS epp The Ultimate Computer. But I think the main one out of the that got destroyed the most was the USS Excalibur. While the Potemkmin or whatever it was called and the others were moving off.
FLAME4564 Yes we know, we stated that in the video
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the others were USS Hood and Lexington
23:08 Object don't cool/freeze in space, because of a lack of medium to cool it with. Sort of similar like soundwaves in space. Objects can be cooled through infrared radiation tho.
It seems that a lot of those Enterprise side-view blueprints, even the LCARS, don't correctly depict the shape of the secondary hull, with the upper part being conical (as was the TOS version), whereas the lower part is curvy (as was the refit).
Guys I love this series!!! Could you please do one on the Daedalus class ship soon? I am very curious about the history of this ship . Thanks!
Faybaugh I wish the NX Enterprise had been a Daedalus-class.
Raymond Conlon I agree
Faybaugh The saucer design strikes me as an advanced *Federation* design: something that was the cumulation of multiple worlds' design philosophies and technologies.
It annoyed me that the United Earth Starfleet was so much like the Federation version.
Anti-matter storage on the edge of the hull, yeah, maybe, especially if you need to eject it in a hurry.
the white things on the floor are the Dilithium couplings ! in the EP the Elas, one of the aliens tampered with the Dilithium couplings to try to destroy the ship.
Mark Plott REF : the Dolman of Elas.
hey guys, I have watched about 50 episodes, and I'm a major trek fan, I'm 35 years of age, so tos was before my time and recently I have been watching the show because I felt I owed it to the franchise, I'm almost through season 2 and I'm finding that I have to force myself to continue watching, I hear you guys say Connie this and Connie that, but I just fail to see what makes it so great, I think the design leaves tons to be desired, and the stories and acting are just as undesirable, and quite frankly if I have to hear bones say kirk is dead one more time I'm just gonna flip out, please enlighten me as to what is so great about this, but I must say I do like all the movies, and I like all the other series even enterprise, do you guys like it so much just because it was the first or am I missing something? please let me know
TOS has like 5-10 acceptable episodes to watch. The guys that watched it come out obviously have more with it and it was pretty good for it's time. It's the start of an entire multiverse for the older fans.
its all about how it was the first decent sci fi show in alot of ways, yes its painful to see, but you have to remember, instead of comparing it to what came after, try watching what came before etc
@@aurorauplinks Yeah... "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" had done good-to-great science fiction on TV already, but they were anthology shows without a continuing cast of characters, a somewhat different beast. "Men Into Space" was a noble attempt at doing near-future hard science fiction, but it was a dry show that only lasted one season.
So we had "Star Trek" coming into an episodic space-adventure genre whose previous well-known examples had been schlocky things like "Rocky Jones, Space Ranger", now doing real drama for grownups, taken seriously by the people who made it (aside from the occasional comic-relief episode). It was far and away superior. It had its share of clunkers, and the first half of season 1 and much of season 3 are uneven. But I think the best dozen or so episodes of Star Trek: TOS hold up very well today--though even with those, you do have to make some allowances for the era (some sexist dialogue, and of course the limitations of 1960s TV effects and sets).
i have a link for you you should watch, im not a huge tos fan, but i liked watching these, because they were nEW tos era feeling episodes though it took a episode or two to really enjoy them
these are the voyages of the enterprise, according to a well assembled ad designed crew and cast with full sets that feel like the old show
ua-cam.com/video/jUbEzLaDyjM/v-deo.html
thats the prequel part of it
here is the continuation but you have to use the list to go in order, through the bonus "season" they made to continue it, you should figure it out fairly quickly, the first was episode 00, this one is episode 01
ua-cam.com/video/jUTvu2s0eVk/v-deo.html
if your bored you should watch this series that is fanmade, it is slightly different but very faithful fan art
ua-cam.com/video/jUTvu2s0eVk/v-deo.html
I see two major design issues.one one way into and onto the bridge?? second no escape pods.how doe's crew abandon ship? there's just few shuttles
Gentlemen, I thank you for showing so much in this episode, but there is somewhere no trek tech explanation has gone before, Where is the damn Swimming Pool and Bowling Alley?
In tos it was Star Ship class though on the wall plate :)
In mirror mirror (Tos) wasn't the alt enterprise the cage model (spiky engine) I could be wrong, it's been a few years .
The other universe has less advanced teck ?
the number markings on the hull are nonsence markings. however in the star trek universe they indicate a hatch, port or some other structure. similar to the numbered bridge controls. A113, M212 ect.........
the Commander mentioned that there was NO way off the Bridge of the Constitution Class, this is not true. the Origional Technical guide to the Enterprise shows a hatch in the deck plating to climb down or up one deck. I don't think this was ever shown until First Contact. I cannot remember if it was shown in TNG, DS9 or Voyager. I would consider not having some sort if escape from the Bridge irrisponsable.
The Starship class actually refers to what the Enterprise was during the original TOS run. Originally the Enterprise was not a constitution class it was a Starship Class. Constitution Class did not become canon until ST:TMP when it was placed on
the dedication plaque for the Connie refit.
+Matthew Gross Indeed. I remember this from a line Spock has in "The Doomsday Machine". I believe he mentions when they first come upon the Constellation, "by class, a Starship". Even Memory Alpha mentions that the Connies were consider a "Starship" class before they were a "Constitution" class (though it also mentions various images used in the show which mentions a "Constitution" class).
+Chris Talbot Spock says no such thing:
"I have it on the sensors, Captain. By *configuration*, a starship
stopped in space. She appears to be drifting."
To my recollection, no one ever canonically called the Enterprise or any of her sister ships a "Starship-class vessel".
In "The Menagerie, Part 1", it is canonically stated that starships are not a class but a type of space vessel:
"Inspection tour of a cadet vessel. *Old Class J starship* One of
the baffle plates ruptured."
So by this point even, there was no "Starship-class", and certainly by the time of "Space Seed", the Enterprise was intended to be Constitution-class. And of course the movies and later TV series pretty much made it canon that it is Constitution-class.
Except the didcation plaque on the bridge of the original enterprise clearly states STARSHIP Class. Google it
Irrelevant, it is overridden by the far more numerous canon references. Take for example the U.S.S. Defiant NCC-1764 from "The Tholian Web" and the 2 IAMD episodes. Her dedication (not didcation) plaque clearly states that she is *Constitution*-class starship.
Google it.
At no point during the original run of TOS do you ever see any other plaque than the Enterprises. If an adjustment was made it was done after the fact. Like in a remastered episode or another episode that featured a Connie. Their budget back then did not allow them to make such minor changes. During the TOS era she was a starship class only changed later to the connie.
the model company is called diamond select
The torpedo tubes below the bridge was, in fact, a Franz Joseph interpretation upon which Star Fleet Battles was based and not necessarily cannon. There's really no consistent on screen representation of weapon placement. It varied from one week to the next. I always found that to be especially irritating.
Ron Anderson Huh, never really noticed it before, but surely the remastered episodes have some more consistency? Something to look into.
+Ron Anderson Er...when did it vary? To the best of my recollection, the show *always* had weapons fire coming from the dome at the bottom of the saucer section.
The idea that these domes could fire phasers and photon torpedoes (which I figured were balls of energy; no casing) in any direction made perfect sense to me...it seemed to fit the tech that was being presented (mind you, I was 2 when the show first aired). I was actually a little disappointed when the Franz Joseph blueprints showed the phaser emitters were on the RING that surrounded the dome rather than the dome itself (I did not know about "cannon" yet).
Photon torpedoes wouldn't explode when shot because they wouldn't be armed in storage.
The Naked Time. Kevin O'Riley locked himself in Engineering to control ship systems such as the Turbo Lifts.
So when will you do the _Where No Man Has Gone Before_version?
11:00 - Romulan spy hiding behind the Bridge walls. Captain Kirk orders, "Total Silence" aboard the ship to avoid being discovered by another ship. Suddenly, everyone hears the hidden toilet flushing.
HELP-! What is the name & author of the recent book by the guy who did the paint-job on the ENTERPRISE REFIT for STTMP ...??
D.A.
I think it is Paul Olsen baby!!
Lookeeloo here> www.olsenart.com/
xoxox LL
+Lindi Smith Hot damn AGAIN, LL ... you are right on the money TWICE today-! Bigfoot and Big Starship painting.
You rock, kid. THANKS-!!
D.A.
MeBeTheDB LOL I googled it and rearranged your wording and his name was the only taker! His book looks trippin'!
A ship's drydock is dry, so... if a space ship goes into drydock... Should it be spaceless? On a planet maybe?
where can you get all the photos that you use?
at 17:10 that could be your Boneventure instead of the God awful cartoon one.
oh you have to love ther beautiful conny
looked through all the classes of Star Trek I can not find the Connie class starship
Jonathan Druce Constitution class.
Never liked how the original looked from a profile side shote. But from the top or the bottom or aft..........yeah.
The cross section model is the Revell model (very inaccurate) and they just added the cut-away parts.
the big flaws with the constitution class was its vulnerable engineering section.
The "Deflector"...
A "navigational deflector" is a good idea, and makes sense.
BUT...
It's OBVIOUS that the dish was originally not conceived as a "navigational deflector". It's a sensor dish. It's a parabolic dish with a sensor-spike, just like a satellite dish. That sort of device is for RECEIVING energy, not projecting it.
The point of this is that there are elements of the original design that were deliberate and well thought out, that were later retconned to, at the very least, make less sense, or retconned to be just stupid and make no sense. But now those dumb things are "canon".
+TwoGun Gunnar Jefferies didn't even want the dish, it was more of a last minute thing. The Deflector was originally supposed to be behind a conning nose like on a plane.
Bridge offset to left
idk why but i just hate the connie abbreviation
Michael Confalone yeah... besides it was STARHIP CLASS
I believe they are using it as the aircraft carrier USS Constellation was referred to as 'The Connie', USS Lexington was 'Lady Lex', the ship I was stationed on was USS Yorktown (CG-48) was called 'The Battlecruiser' (jokingly called The Cattlebruiser due to a pilot error entering port).
yea, the Prostititiution class
i like the oringal enterprise (which is my screen savior) and i wish jj abrams didn't ruin it. "i made the enterprise a hotrod " says jj Abrams, well screw you jj the enterprise is not a hotrod it is a exploration ship. oh captain foley your all-some and i am a captain of my ship which is now a rifit consitution. USS ENTERP1RSE NCC-901701
Tron Mcknight What in particular did you not like about the JJ Enterprise?
Tron Mcknight Wow, taking a saver to the point of worship (savior). Who am I to talk, I typo'd "canon". RESPECT the canon or get the cannon!
Raymond Conlon that i does not look like much of the orinal, the enginer hull is to small, the nacelle are bulk and to big, the interior is apple store with a wide big hollow space in the engineering hull, it is ugly and a disrespect to (Volmer Jensen, Mel Keys, and Vernon Sion) and supervised by Richard Datin
+Raymond Conlon I'll reply too since I don't like it either.
Updating details is o.k., but the proportions are changed too much. Moving the engineering hull forward is just awkward. The alien looking warp engines are weird too, but not as bad as shifting the engineering hull forward. I agree with Tron about the Apple asthetic, which is totally out of place. What would have been better is if they'd kept the same Jet Age styling asthetic of the original Constitution and put more detail into it. Google "Kelvin-prise." This is perfect. It could be a little more perfect if it were taller and a touch sleeker than the Kelvin, but it's still perfect as-is.