Having got to witness Tony Gwynn's career up close in its entirety, dropping singles and doubles seemingly at will on some nights, watching his name fade like that makes the dudes at the top accomplishment even more amazing.
@@Bears85yemi some touched in the 90s but most where in the 85 range but they could also spit on the ball and do what’s ever they wanted to it too and the mound was 6 inches higher so the pitching was dominate
So why did some of these names just suddenly disappear from the list? Such as Ross Barnes in 1964, Cal McVey in 1966, Dave Orr in 1982, and Lefty O’Doul in 1986?
MLB changed the minimum plate appearance threshold, and those guys had far fewer in their careers. The current qualification is a minimum of 5000 PA. Barnes & McVey only played 9 seasons (2507 & 2543 PA in 499 & 530 games, respectively), and Orr 8 seasons (albeit longer seasons for 3411 PA in 791 games). O'Doul spent the first part of his career as a failed pitcher playing only a handful of games, before becoming an outfielder and breaking back into the majors as a 31 year old. He only hit regularly for 7 seasons, for a total of 3660 PA.
@@GregMcNeish thanks for the clarification. Figured it had to be something like that. I did like imagining though that these guys came back to the majors at like age 90 and just decimated their lifetime averages.
it's the opposite of that. Pitchers today are too good and just this year is the lowest the league average has ever been at the start of a season. The MLB has this problem every 40 or so years and the solution is to move the mound back just a couple inches. The mound used to be 55 feet away then they changed to 60ft 6in after pitchers became too dominant. It stayed that way until people like Bob Gibson changed pitching and the league had to lower the mound. I say we move the mound to 63ft and 3/4 of an inch so that it is perfectly lined up with the bases.
The idea of someone hitting .367 over the course of an entire career is pretty far-fetched. Cobb’s record will probably stand at least another 100 years.
Joe Jackson: hey I'm having a great career so far, I sure hope that there isn't a scandal that keeps me off of the field for the rest of my life 1919: Joe Jackson: at least I have my career average? Ty Cobb: BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Not to take anything away from the early day players ( 1901 to 1940) but conditions were so much different. Fielders gloves both out field and in field were smaller. Field conditions were considerably worse-grounds keeping- was virtually non existent. Ball park dimensions were monstrous so even the most accomplished defensive out fielders had to have exceptional range to chase down fly balls. Relief pitching was also virtually non existent so starters pitched deeper into games and fatigue played a major role. Relief pitchers were basically over the hill starters who would only pitch when a starter was tiring or ineffective.
Ross Barnes is a beast. I've never heard of him before this video. Dude was #1 for 10 years, then top 3 for the next 60 years. How is that even possible
The longer people play past their prime the worse their lifetime batting average gets, even Ty Cobb, who played into his 40s, would have had a better lifetime batting average if he'd retired at 35 . . . which was his last .400+ season.
@@vdoggydogg3922 Yep, Mickey ended up at .29801. He had fought injuries for years, and in 1963, at the prime baseball age of 31, he was batting .314 and on track for 40 home runs when he broke his foot in early June. His last Mantle-ish year was the following year (1964), when he hit .303 with 35 home runs.He had a .309 career batting average at that point, but only 454 career homers. The next two years his legs were so bad he could only play 122 and 108 games, hitting 19 and 23 HRs and batting .255 (by far the worst of his career) and .288. He played two more years, collected another 40 homers but hit .245 and .237 those years. His last three years, he could barely walk, much less run, even playing first base. Just walking to the plate he looked 80 years old from the hips down. But when he swung and made firm contact the threat of a tape-measure shot was still there. Even crippled, he was so feared and carefully pitched to that in his last two years he drew 113 and 97 walks. Despite his two dismal batting averages those years, all those bases on balls put him 5th (1967) and 3rd (1968) in on-base percentage. At the end of his 1967 season, Mantle had his 500 home runs -- 518 to be precise. He also still had a career batting average of .301. But that .237 average his final year killed his career mark. In his last three years Willlie Mays hit .271, .250 and .211. He ended up at .301, but nearly lost his .300 career mark like Mays did. I loved Mickey and I loved Willie. I'm glad he ended up over .300. In one small bit of justice, "Mr. Cream-and-Clear" Barry Bonds played at ages 41 and 42 after missing an entire season due to injury. Although he hit 26 and 28 home runs to catch and barely pass Hank Aaron, he hit .270 and .276 and dipped his career average down to .298, tied with Mantle.
@mike BUDZINSKI- Only 2 players with over 500 home runs made the top 30- Ruth and Ted Williams- which is testimonial to how far ahead these two were over everyone else
@@mikebudzinski3879 - Of course you realize Ruth would be 136 years old and Williams would be 104. But then again they would probably still be as good as some of the players today.
A lot people say hitting was easier 100+ years ago. I’m not so sure. Conditions were horrendous. Trains and sharing beds in motels and poverty and spitballs and…
Thanks again for another great vid on stats. I think what this shows us is that the pitching way back when was likely not comparable to the art that it is today. Maybe there should be another one done for the post WW2 era. IMHO Rose, Boggs, Gwynn, Carew would compete with Cobb and Hornsby. Alas! But it's all speculation. Thumbs up for this
you might think so but the pitchers used spit balls and doctored balls, and the ball was dead meaning it did not fly as well which accounts for fewer home runs. The biggest difference I see is they did not use relief pitchers very often.
I was looking at Ted Williams wondering what happened in the early to mid 1940s, and then thought, "Oh yeah...." Thank you for your service, Ted Williams.
If I have any critique at all is that the batting ave display be a little bigger font. In you other videos no problem but a little harder to discern for this one. Maybe just me. Love your videos
Cool, but plz enlarge the batting avg results and you can ditch the preceeding zeroes! I have a magnifying lens here and still can barely make them out on my phone. That is a shame.
According to MLB, a player must have a minimum of 3,000 plate appearances to qualify for this list. At the time Ichiro did qualify after a scant 4+ seasons, he actually still was short at around .338. Which happens to be be the exact ending average of Tony Gwynn, who has the highest career average of ANYONE who began their career after World War II. 😳😳
@@jasonmichael3676 this is true. Doubtful it will be anytime soon either. One of the young guys when they qualify might pass it, but doubtful they keep it up if they play as long as he did.
He is still at the top for hits in one season though, as well as consecutive 200+ hit seasons, which were both 80+ yr old records when he broke them, and likely will never be broken again or anytime soon at least!
Per other comments, MLB increased the plate appearance minimum to qualify for all time career averages. Players who had less than the minimum fell off the list
@@shoukatsukai Thank you.... It's unfortunate that great players from the early days of baseball are taken off the list (especially since the games played per season has greatly increased over the years). I think those players should be included in the list in some way.
He's fiesty, attacked and beat a one armed man. A lot of people though that was cruel but personally I think you don't heckle a perfectionist while he's working at his job. Especially if you lost your arm in Verdun.
@@f.lloydwrong7127 no no no you are wrong he’s not a racist 😑😑 he’s not a dirty player it was all made up by al stump read tu Cobb a terrible Beauty by Charles Leerhsen disproves sll the stuff you believe about my boi Cobb
No modern player will ever make this list. Analytics have made the batting average irrelevant. The emphasis on obp and launch angle derived power on offense and the shifts on defense have killed the batting average.
Interesting how Babe Ruth kept climbing the list well after he was retired and passed on. People often forget that about Ruth. He wasn't just a slugger- he could hit. His lifetime batting average is .342! Most guys never hit that in a season. Ruth hit .370 or better for a season on six different occasions. Barry Bonds only managed this once. But to contrast this, Ty Cobb NEVER hit less than .316 except in his rookie season. Cobb hit .370 or more 11 times! And lol, 2 seasons he hit .369 and .368. Cobb's Lifetime BA of .366 is better than ALL BUT ONE of Barry Bond's seasons (Barry hit .370 one year). And Cobb is only about 50 RBIs behind Barry lifetime as well.
With the drive towards upper cut swings to favor home runs, this list probably gonna be fixed for awhile. My guess 20 years, baseball so boring now, everything is swing for home run or nothing.
That’s because fucking janitors were pitching back in the day. If we’re being honest the pitching probably was still good but the level of pitching hitters face on a daily basis now is not even comparable to pitching faced 100 years ago. People want to say the MLB is getting soft with batting averages at an all time low but they need to consider these guys on the mound got some serious shit and these teams do extensive research on each hitter and know what pitch will be most effective in every situation against every batter. It’s tough out there for these dudes trying to swing it today.
This is the problem with the younger generation they think they get in basis is important in average isn't important they would rather see a guy strikeout 3 times and hit a home run instead of a guy going 3 for 4
@@Morgetiud Sorry talk to text. I was saying younger people now do not understand how important BA is. They rather see a hr & do not care if they strike out 150 times a year or have a sub .250 BA as long as they hit 30 Hrs a year. They like to talk about stupid things like launch angle,Exit speed,contact to dammage...... So much more to hitting. Learning how to use your hands & actually make contact.......Youngsters are to caught up in stupid made up statistics. It has gotten so stupid they stopped putting strike outs on baseball cards. Players today cannot even bunt, hit & run..... at least not very good at it.
There is no one “great stat”. Any stat in isolation is of minimal usage for anything other than arranging players on a list according to that stat. Luckily, baseball is the most documented sport ever, so we can review dozens of stats to get an accurate picture.
@@brandonbowers2790 best all time. It’s hard to put him there with all the greats, but he deserves it. His style to witch baseball was playing the short game to each and every situation, his records witch still hold true value . Since he hasn’t played in a 100 years. I would take him over babe Ruth, as best around player. 1 and 2 for me. Just my opinion.
@@sammyweed4771 i respect that opinion but i dont think hes better than ruth. At least not offensively. Ruth had a better slugging percentage, 575 more homeruns than him, and he actually was a hall of fame calliber pitcher says everything. I mean Babe Ruth is number 10 on this batting average list. Ty Cobb isnt even in the top 700 for career homeruns. The offensive stats also say Ruth was better.
@@brandonbowers2790 here we go. Your wrong . Cobb is in every stat , xcept Hr, walks Srike outs. I’ve done my homework. Ruth could pitch, ok . Cobb stoled bases. Doubles, triple. Stealing home. Witch he is top 3 in all those, 1 in batt avg. 1 stole home. 2 hits. 2 triples. 4 in doubles 4 bats. 5 total bases. 5 games played. 4 th stole bases. 7 on base pect. 8 th for RBI. S..2 hitting streaks of 40 games. And 35 games. Triple crown winner. And 1st ballet HOF . So your comments of babe more offense. Just plain wrong he scored more offensively then babe. Plus all the HAVOC he put on pictures and in fielders stealing bases. Don’t think so. And I’m sure if the had golden gloves back then . He would of won a few. Ruth either hit a home run , walked or stuck out. Just saying. There both my fav. But I give TY COBB the edge.
@@sammyweed4771 hmm interesting that you dont mention how Ty was third in lifetime WAR (Wins Above Replacement) while Ruth is 1st all time, Ty is second in offensive WAR while ruth is 1st, Ty's has a career RAR (runs better than replacement player) is 1463 with a career high of 112. Ruth had a career RAR of 1739 and had a career high of 147. In fact, Ruth had 8 different seasons where his RAR is above Ty's highest season. Ty averaged 94 runs a season while Ruth averaged 129 a year. Ty had 81 RBI per year while Ruth had 130 RBI per year.
Having got to witness Tony Gwynn's career up close in its entirety, dropping singles and doubles seemingly at will on some nights, watching his name fade like that makes the dudes at the top accomplishment even more amazing.
Yeah but to be fair, guys weren't pitching 80-100 MPH back then.
@@Bears85yemi some touched in the 90s but most where in the 85 range but they could also spit on the ball and do what’s ever they wanted to it too and the mound was 6 inches higher so the pitching was dominate
Same here. I'm a Padres fan and came here to see Tony Gwynn. And when I did, it was for a split second and gone.
So why did some of these names just suddenly disappear from the list? Such as Ross Barnes in 1964, Cal McVey in 1966, Dave Orr in 1982, and Lefty O’Doul in 1986?
MLB changed the minimum plate appearance threshold, and those guys had far fewer in their careers. The current qualification is a minimum of 5000 PA. Barnes & McVey only played 9 seasons (2507 & 2543 PA in 499 & 530 games, respectively), and Orr 8 seasons (albeit longer seasons for 3411 PA in 791 games). O'Doul spent the first part of his career as a failed pitcher playing only a handful of games, before becoming an outfielder and breaking back into the majors as a 31 year old. He only hit regularly for 7 seasons, for a total of 3660 PA.
@@GregMcNeish Interesting! Thanks for the history lesson/information.
Because it’s fake news. Fake news folks.
@@njdxnjdx It's actually the literal opposite. This is called rigor.
@@GregMcNeish thanks for the clarification. Figured it had to be something like that. I did like imagining though that these guys came back to the majors at like age 90 and just decimated their lifetime averages.
The only “modern age” hitters on this list were Wade Boggs and Tony Gwynn and they fell off the list. It’s insane
One rough season caused them to fall off. And extremely more competitive pitching
@@Andrew-Guitar I figured the competitive pitching. But it’s still insane
@@jedidr4918 It is. But then you look at Nolan Ryan's 5k+ K's which is also insane. And not exactly moderen
Did you forget about billy hamilton
@@kasebrooks4054 must’ve missed him on the list
Billy Hamilton has been playing longer than I thought!
He just got the game-winning RBI for the White Sox last night!!
Dude, it’s a. Different billy hamilton
@@evan____ dude, it’s a. Joke
@@evan____ R/woooosh
Very informative, knew Ruth and Gehrig would be listed, but need a magnifying glass to read their batting averages.
Crazy that Cobb has held down the fort for 104 years.
The changes in everything from overall talent level to bullpen there's nothing crazy about Ty Cobb still being the career batting average leader.
Players are more concerned about hitting home runs now instead of average
it's the opposite of that. Pitchers today are too good and just this year is the lowest the league average has ever been at the start of a season. The MLB has this problem every 40 or so years and the solution is to move the mound back just a couple inches. The mound used to be 55 feet away then they changed to 60ft 6in after pitchers became too dominant. It stayed that way until people like Bob Gibson changed pitching and the league had to lower the mound. I say we move the mound to 63ft and 3/4 of an inch so that it is perfectly lined up with the bases.
He has not held it down for 104 years. As this video shows, Chuck Klein was the leader in 1930
The idea of someone hitting .367 over the course of an entire career is pretty far-fetched. Cobb’s record will probably stand at least another 100 years.
Joe Jackson: hey I'm having a great career so far, I sure hope that there isn't a scandal that keeps me off of the field for the rest of my life
1919:
Joe Jackson: at least I have my career average?
Ty Cobb: BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
The real scandal is that he didn't own any shoes.
Aye, props to billy Hamilton being in the league this long...damn
It's crazy that the top 15 hasn't changed position in almost 25 years (Cobb holding the record 115 of the 116 years).
Always like these videos. Awesome work.
Ty was just insane. No one will ever beat that for at least another 100 years
Not to take anything away from the early day players ( 1901 to 1940) but conditions were so much different. Fielders gloves
both out field and in field were smaller. Field conditions were considerably worse-grounds keeping- was virtually non existent. Ball park dimensions were monstrous so even the most accomplished defensive out fielders had to have exceptional range to chase down fly balls. Relief pitching was also virtually non existent so starters pitched deeper into
games and fatigue played a major role. Relief pitchers were basically over the hill starters who would only pitch when a
starter was tiring or ineffective.
Ross Barnes is a beast. I've never heard of him before this video. Dude was #1 for 10 years, then top 3 for the next 60 years. How is that even possible
The longer people play past their prime the worse their lifetime batting average gets, even Ty Cobb, who played into his 40s, would have had a better lifetime batting average if he'd retired at 35 . . . which was his last .400+ season.
Which is insane because he Ended up with a .367 lifetime ave. He has pretty much been the leader since 1913
Not including Tony Gwynn, he only hit under .300 one season during his 20 year career.
Mantle held on for too long and lost his career .300 average by a small margin, said he regretted it.
@@vdoggydogg3922 Yep, Mickey ended up at .29801.
He had fought injuries for years, and in 1963, at the prime baseball age of 31, he was batting .314 and on track for 40 home runs when he broke his foot in early June. His last Mantle-ish year was the following year (1964), when he hit .303 with 35 home runs.He had a .309 career batting average at that point, but only 454 career homers. The next two years his legs were so bad he could only play 122 and 108 games, hitting 19 and 23 HRs and batting .255 (by far the worst of his career) and .288.
He played two more years, collected another 40 homers but hit .245 and .237 those years. His last three years, he could barely walk, much less run, even playing first base. Just walking to the plate he looked 80 years old from the hips down. But when he swung and made firm contact the threat of a tape-measure shot was still there. Even crippled, he was so feared and carefully pitched to that in his last two years he drew 113 and 97 walks. Despite his two dismal batting averages those years, all those bases on balls put him 5th (1967) and 3rd (1968) in on-base percentage.
At the end of his 1967 season, Mantle had his 500 home runs -- 518 to be precise. He also still had a career batting average of .301. But that .237 average his final year killed his career mark.
In his last three years Willlie Mays hit .271, .250 and .211. He ended up at .301, but nearly lost his .300 career mark like Mays did. I loved Mickey and I loved Willie. I'm glad he ended up over .300.
In one small bit of justice, "Mr. Cream-and-Clear" Barry Bonds played at ages 41 and 42 after missing an entire season due to injury. Although he hit 26 and 28 home runs to catch and barely pass Hank Aaron, he hit .270 and .276 and dipped his career average down to .298, tied with Mantle.
Smh Ty Cobb BEAST...
Babe Ruth power hitter and still made the list
@mike BUDZINSKI- Only 2 players with over 500 home runs made the top 30- Ruth and Ted Williams- which is
testimonial to how far ahead these two were over everyone else
@@jerrybrownell3633 I wish i could have them both on my team right now, (white Sox)
@@mikebudzinski3879 - Of course you realize Ruth would be 136 years old and Williams would be 104. But then again they would probably still be as good as some of the players today.
@@jerrybrownell3633 they would still sell tickets
@@mikebudzinski3879 - I would buy a ticket to see these two get up to home plate at their advanced ages.
A lot people say hitting was easier 100+ years ago. I’m not so sure. Conditions were horrendous. Trains and sharing beds in motels and poverty and spitballs and…
Thanks again for another great vid on stats. I think what this shows us is that the pitching way back when was likely not comparable to the art that it is today. Maybe there should be another one done for the post WW2 era. IMHO Rose, Boggs, Gwynn, Carew would compete with Cobb and Hornsby. Alas! But it's all speculation. Thumbs up for this
you might think so but the pitchers used spit balls and doctored balls, and the ball was dead meaning it did not fly as well which accounts for fewer home runs. The biggest difference I see is they did not use relief pitchers very often.
The longer you play the less likely you are to maintain
Watching the players go up and down is mesmerising
I was looking at Ted Williams wondering what happened in the early to mid 1940s, and then thought, "Oh yeah...." Thank you for your service, Ted Williams.
If I have any critique at all is that the batting ave display be a little bigger font. In you other videos no problem but a little harder to discern for this one. Maybe just me. Love your videos
You have to start making more videos Therese are 🔥
This just shows how much better the average pitcher is nowadays
To think the Lou Gehrig died in 1941 and ended up being on this list in 2019 is insane
Somethin tells me pitching got a lot better as time when on
Ty and Babe are the GOATS of baseball.
Amazing !
Can you do some videos for pitching stats?
Cool, but plz enlarge the batting avg results and you can ditch the preceeding zeroes! I have a magnifying lens here and still can barely make them out on my phone. That is a shame.
Was expecting Ichiro to show up briefly with his .350 in 2001. I guess there was a minimum # seasons cutoff?
According to MLB, a player must have a minimum of 3,000 plate appearances to qualify for this list. At the time Ichiro did qualify after a scant 4+ seasons, he actually still was short at around .338. Which happens to be be the exact ending average of Tony Gwynn, who has the highest career average of ANYONE who began their career after World War II. 😳😳
Kirby Puckett's .318 career average hasn't been equaled since.
@@jasonmichael3676 this is true. Doubtful it will be anytime soon either. One of the young guys when they qualify might pass it, but doubtful they keep it up if they play as long as he did.
He is still at the top for hits in one season though, as well as consecutive 200+ hit seasons, which were both 80+ yr old records when he broke them, and likely will never be broken again or anytime soon at least!
Who would have guessed ty Cobb was a good hitter
What happened to the stats on Ross Barnes to go from #2 all time with a .360 BA to non existent @2:14 (1963/1964)
.... and a few others Cal McVey, Dave Orr, Lefty O' Doul.... all shot down off the list after their last at bat.... Any info of why?
Per other comments, MLB increased the plate appearance minimum to qualify for all time career averages. Players who had less than the minimum fell off the list
@@shoukatsukai Thank you.... It's unfortunate that great players from the early days of baseball are taken off the list (especially since the games played per season has greatly increased over the years). I think those players should be included in the list in some way.
Ty Cobb!
He's fiesty, attacked and beat a one armed man. A lot of people though that was cruel but personally I think you don't heckle a perfectionist while he's working at his job. Especially if you lost your arm in Verdun.
@@f.lloydwrong7127 no no no you are wrong he’s not a racist 😑😑 he’s not a dirty player it was all made up by al stump read tu Cobb a terrible Beauty by Charles Leerhsen disproves sll the stuff you believe about my boi Cobb
@@f.lloydwrong7127 but you are right with the perfectionist he’s the best
No modern player will ever make this list. Analytics have made the batting average irrelevant. The emphasis on obp and launch angle derived power on offense and the shifts on defense have killed the batting average.
That, and the reliance on relief pitchers, who can throw 90 to 100 mph will wear down most hitters.
💪💪💪
Interesting how Babe Ruth kept climbing the list well after he was retired and passed on.
People often forget that about Ruth. He wasn't just a slugger- he could hit. His lifetime batting average is .342!
Most guys never hit that in a season.
Ruth hit .370 or better for a season on six different occasions. Barry Bonds only managed this once.
But to contrast this, Ty Cobb NEVER hit less than .316 except in his rookie season. Cobb hit .370 or more 11 times! And lol, 2 seasons he hit .369 and .368.
Cobb's Lifetime BA of .366 is better than ALL BUT ONE of Barry Bond's seasons (Barry hit .370 one year). And Cobb is only about 50 RBIs behind Barry lifetime as well.
Kirby Puckett's .318 career average hasn't been equaled since.
I highly question the stats of the 1940s and under. I doubt very seriously these stats were legit kept up with.
do til 2021 ones now please
Interesting list but the numbers are so small I can’t read them on my phone
With the drive towards upper cut swings to favor home runs, this list probably gonna be fixed for awhile. My guess 20 years, baseball so boring now, everything is swing for home run or nothing.
I got hyped for Wade then he fell off quick
Should have stopped this one at 1998...when the hitting for average era ended and the pitching/homerun era started.
Heyo
if you got a hit in your first at bat you would have a 1.000 ba
That’s because fucking janitors were pitching back in the day. If we’re being honest the pitching probably was still good but the level of pitching hitters face on a daily basis now is not even comparable to pitching faced 100 years ago. People want to say the MLB is getting soft with batting averages at an all time low but they need to consider these guys on the mound got some serious shit and these teams do extensive research on each hitter and know what pitch will be most effective in every situation against every batter. It’s tough out there for these dudes trying to swing it today.
Batting Average isn't a great stat, a better one would be career OPS+ since that adjusts for era and ballpark
This is the problem with the younger generation they think they get in basis is important in average isn't important they would rather see a guy strikeout 3 times and hit a home run instead of a guy going 3 for 4
...and Babe Ruth has more homeruns away than at home.
@@BBBYpsi wut?
@@Morgetiud Sorry talk to text. I was saying younger people now do not understand how important BA is. They rather see a hr & do not care if they strike out 150 times a year or have a sub .250 BA as long as they hit 30 Hrs a year. They like to talk about stupid things like launch angle,Exit speed,contact to dammage...... So much more to hitting. Learning how to use your hands & actually make contact.......Youngsters are to caught up in stupid made up statistics. It has gotten so stupid they stopped putting strike outs on baseball cards. Players today cannot even bunt, hit & run..... at least not very good at it.
There is no one “great stat”. Any stat in isolation is of minimal usage for anything other than arranging players on a list according to that stat. Luckily, baseball is the most documented sport ever, so we can review dozens of stats to get an accurate picture.
No u
Why did Ross Barnes drop off the list?
He sold poison milk to schoolchildren
That’s Why he’s the best all time !!
The best batting average of all time. Yes. Best player of all time? No.
@@brandonbowers2790 best all time. It’s hard to put him there with all the greats, but he deserves it. His style to witch baseball was playing the short game to each and every situation, his records witch still hold true value . Since he hasn’t played in a 100 years. I would take him over babe Ruth, as best around player. 1 and 2 for me. Just my opinion.
@@sammyweed4771 i respect that opinion but i dont think hes better than ruth. At least not offensively. Ruth had a better slugging percentage, 575 more homeruns than him, and he actually was a hall of fame calliber pitcher says everything. I mean Babe Ruth is number 10 on this batting average list. Ty Cobb isnt even in the top 700 for career homeruns. The offensive stats also say Ruth was better.
@@brandonbowers2790 here we go. Your wrong . Cobb is in every stat , xcept Hr, walks Srike outs. I’ve done my homework. Ruth could pitch, ok . Cobb stoled bases. Doubles, triple. Stealing home. Witch he is top 3 in all those, 1 in batt avg. 1 stole home. 2 hits. 2 triples. 4 in doubles 4 bats. 5 total bases. 5 games played. 4 th stole bases. 7 on base pect. 8 th for RBI. S..2 hitting streaks of 40 games. And 35 games. Triple crown winner. And 1st ballet HOF . So your comments of babe more offense. Just plain wrong he scored more offensively then babe. Plus all the HAVOC he put on pictures and in fielders stealing bases. Don’t think so. And I’m sure if the had golden gloves back then . He would of won a few. Ruth either hit a home run , walked or stuck out. Just saying. There both my fav. But I give TY COBB the edge.
@@sammyweed4771 hmm interesting that you dont mention how Ty was third in lifetime WAR (Wins Above Replacement) while Ruth is 1st all time, Ty is second in offensive WAR while ruth is 1st, Ty's has a career RAR (runs better than replacement player) is 1463 with a career high of 112. Ruth had a career RAR of 1739 and had a career high of 147. In fact, Ruth had 8 different seasons where his RAR is above Ty's highest season. Ty averaged 94 runs a season while Ruth averaged 129 a year. Ty had 81 RBI per year while Ruth had 130 RBI per year.