Episode 17: Clan Cappadocian & Clan Giovanni
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- If you’re new in town or just new to this whole podcast thing, you’re tuning into ‘Lore by Night’, the podcast that discusses all things vampiric, with no fear of breaching The Masquerade. In this episode, we continue to unravel the mysteries behind the origins, motives and cultures of the 13 vampiric clans in the World of Darkness. This episode will focus on The Clans of Death, Clan Giovanni, & Clan Cappadocian.
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Your narrative is like music. To play alongside your Nosferatus must be a delight and honour.
That is the nicest thing anybody has said about my delivery of The Narrator, and I have had a fair few compliments! Thank you so very much!!
Yes, like music... and a condescending tone.
As to be expected from an Elder to Neonate 😉
"I hope they don't"
Reads Cult of the Blood Gods.....oh....this all makes sense now.
Ah, Clan Giovanni, otherwise known as Clan Mamma Mia That’s A-Spicy Meatball!
I mean, you ain’t wrong!
Spaghetti and corpses, boss
I like the fact that Clan Giovanni embracing you is like making you a made man.
The Cappadocians are among my favorite kindred.
Whenever I watch something about the clan(s) of death I see some common struggling when it comes to the pronounciation of these same words. Some local pronounciation tips from a fan who lives in Turkey:
Cappadocian: Kappadokian
Kaymakli: This is a Turkish word and its pronounciation is a tricky one for westerners. "Kai-mak-lı" ( "a" from "mak" should be pronounced like "a" from the word "father"), ("ı" which is dotless unlike "i" can be pronounced like "the" without the letters "t" and "h". So it is the "e" sound from "the" if it makes sense.)
Erciyes: The name of a mountain which is in middle Anatolia near Cappadocia. Er-ci-yes ("Er" should be pronounced like "er" from "Erebor"), ("ci" is equivalent of "Je" of "Jesus")
btw Kaymaklı is a real subterranean city. If you travel to Turkey you should definately go to Cappadocia and check that place out. It is quite cool.
I get a lot of comments about mispronounced words, but that one is the only helpful and polite one. Thank you!
I've recently started developing a Victorian Vampire campaign based around a Camarilla city. One of the players looks like they're playing a Giovanni. All are under the personal invitation of the Toreador Prince and have been reminded that joining the local community means abiding by the Traditions. We'll see how that works out. Bwahaha. It is also of interest that the Prince's main rival is an Elder Nosferatu crime lord of some ill repute who dwells above ground and is a master of Obfuscate ( multiple applications of 6 Dots). We'll see how all THAT works out...
Sounds like there is a lot of deception involved. Love the sound of it!
Giovanni, the clan I've played the longest (approximately for a two year period) and hands down my favorite. So much fun to play and always a riot when you outplot the so called Leaders.
It's is really interesting to see how a clan of death having to pass through so many "deaths" in its history. Would it be possible to a new wave of this clan emerge and do the same what Augustus did? Or could the death come full cycle and then the usurpers suffer in the hands of the HoS? Or even something completely different? With this lore, it's seem impossible that Giovanni could maintain their presence forever, after all, having control over aspects of death doesn't give them immunity to it
The Gs are still pretty much in control being the heart of the Hecata.
The amount of Shade being thrown my way is really unnerving, I came here to have a good time and frankly I’m feeling attacked.
Well given that the latest WOD personality quiz placed me here I thought I'd learn a bit more about the clans of death. After reading through some older lore I find myself preffering cappadocian or perhaps even lamia overall. While death may not hold much appeal to me as a subject I at least know theology. However, magic, sword, gun, or the occasional honeyed word will keep you alive longer in my experience. One must be practical, you cannot seek the answers you desire if you cannot protect yourself.
Great video as always sorry for the ramble.
To be frank, the Giovanni are incompetent and arrogant at that. I much prefer the Cappadocians, so I never allowed the Giovanni to come into existence in my game in favor of the Cappadocians and Lamia.
@@scottdoesntmatter4409 fair enough.
The writers of vtm must have write this family during a Renaissance Italy phase. Not that I blame them, such an interesting place and time
Not enough to make some research about Italian culture apparently...
That is where you come in, if you so choose. If they did that with every Clan, they would all be very dry and boring to engage with, and far more daunting for players.
@@LoreByNightVtM no the problem is that they do not really work that well with true Italian history nor culture.
First of all, giovanni is not a surname but a first name and it sound very weird to an Italian (they could at least have used the italian prenominal noble particles "de" which works like the German von) second the mafia is a phenomenon born in south Italy and not culturally native to the north (to be fair all of the giovanni aesthetic, the family motifs, the catholic fervour, etc, is rather southern but that's because that is the Italian stereotype that Americans have) not to mention that none of the clans associated families are part of Venetian nobility (also it's weird that the vampiric counterpart to a people like Venetians, that historically were paranoically obsessed with making so that no family ever could get enough power to monopolize and/or overthrow the republic would act in such a openly monarchical way).
Italians already have plenty of weird lore that could have been used to make up a clan (to continue with the godfather archetype, or rather stereotype, they could, for example, have used the mysterious and legendary Beati Paoli, the blessed Pauls/People of Paul, a Christian heretical sect/organization from which according to the tales all mafias have originated from.
Or to keep the Venetian origin they could have used the Venetian Black Nobility as portrayed by the Conspiracy theorist and "historian" Jan van Helsing (it is of no historical value but Venetian nobility was indeed entrenched in intrigue and conspiracy and it's rather evoking as a concept)
There is not that much a storyteller can do to "repair" them you either accept them and their cringe or you have to rewrite them from the start...
Oh and obviously let's not forget that they named a giovanny family *Puttanesca* like the Pasta alla Puttanesca a damn pasta dish,
what the hell is this, Jojo??
How can you take seriously a higher vampire named after a food?
"Oh yes great lord Spaghetti with Ragù alla Bolognese command and it shall be done..."
Facepalm
Perhaps they ate one first one and thought they tasted like mamma's Puttanesca...
Well, this certainly makes things interesting. The one question still stands in my mind...
Why does the Giovanni have their kiss be labeled as the Kiss of Death, where instead of it being pleasurable to the human victim and making them beg you to bite them more and more, just like Count Dracula's kiss, it induces a very huge amount of unbearable pain upon them?
I never understood that. Perhaps it is an equilibrium to the vampires, showing them all that not all vampire kisses are desirable.
Either way, for the Giovanni vampires, I will need to keep a safe distance.
Thank you so much for this, you have been a huge help in making my Hecata character
No problem 😊
My Cappadocian survivor (embraced in the original VTDA black book): "'Family Reunion?' Go 'Hecata' yourself, Paradox."
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ok im gonna beg again... even tho it probably wont get me anywhere.... pleeeease discuss wights lol... something about the way this guy explains the lore is just so entertaining... and yeah i know flattery will get me nowhere lol
Imo Cappadicians have the best symbol of all clans. Change my mind
Thanks!
You're very welcome, I am glad you enjoyed it 😊
well done
I believe it's pronounced "Yadviga". Overall great read.
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@@LoreByNightVtM not a criticism by any means, just an old German-Polish name I'm familiar with.
Oh no, I knew that. I have no idea how a lot of these words are pronounced and just yoloing the shit out of them 😅😂
@lore by night which clans are your top 3 favs and in what order if you don't mind my asking?
I don't mind at all! In fact, I did a whole episode on just that
@@LoreByNightVtM could I get a link to that video please? XD
It's Episode 96
So far you've mentioned heroin and cocaine in your videos. Any changes of getting a video on vampires narcotics like calef?
Old World of Darkness, werewolves had a starting merit: pure blood which gives you bonus social and ancestor dice on given skill dice rolls.
Bone Gnawer street bums only can get the max one bonus dice. The rest can go up to five dots for bonus dice.
For each dot in Pure Blood a werewolf has, it gives a vampire one extra blood point and risk frenzy, vampires can become addicted to werewolf blood.
Interesting.. I've never heard of this Calef.. I always favored the idea of Kindred doping up by feeding their prey copious amounts of narcotics or alcohol first. Which I suppose a Giovanni might do to their victims just to muffle their screams a bit.
@@OldJerzyDevil
Calef is a plant used in Asamite thaumaturgy rituals. From what I remember it had the effect of astral projection. I could see the Giovanni/Hicata using it for spiritual research.
@@davidberkowitz7411 interesting.. I've heard of a .similar substance c.alled Pigment. Pedaled by a pair of charlatan Ghost Hunters, Terrell and Squib.
Cappadocians>Giovanni
Lazarus and Mahatma will avenge their patriarch
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I love how these lore videos are always narrated as if the author is running away from rabid dogs... Seriously, why can't people just take a breath and slow down... It would make the work worthwhile.
or pronounce names correctly: ie. "Cappadocious" and "Japheth" . Overall, not a bad summary and I appreciate the work. I just think "Capadokious", "mafoosala", "jap-heth" and "Capadoki" are like nails on a chalkboard to me.
whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Cappadocian
@@LoreByNightVtM ua-cam.com/video/HNUt5L0IQVE/v-deo.html
Cappadocian is not just a word used in VTM. It is a city in Turkey and in english it is pronounced as above. Pronouncing it Capadokya sounds as pretentious as ordering Taco Bell in Spanish.
I definitely want to say I appreciate your videos but that pronounciation... that is a no from me dog.
More lore that makes me hate v5!