Jewish Views on Astrology in Ancient Times
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- A discussion about Jewish views on astrology in ancient times, and the complicated relationship between astrology and early Judaism, with Dr. Justin Sledge and Chris Brennan.
Our starting point is the geographical location of the Jewish people being situated between Mesopotamia and Egypt, which were two cultures that had very old traditions of astrology dating back to 2000 BCE.
We then talk about the role that monotheism played in creating some tensions with early forms of astrology, which were often practiced in a polytheistic context.
Later we get into some positive views on astrology held by Jews during the time of the Roman Empire, including the Essenes at Qumran, and a text on Lots and zodiacal releasing attributed to Abraham that was drawn on by Vettius Valens and Firmicus Maternus.
We also discuss some of the early zodiac mosaics that feature prominently in synagogues in the first seven centuries CE.
Eventually we touch on some of the earliest Jewish astrologers who are known by name and who made major contributions to astrology, such as Masha’allah and Abraham ibn Ezra.
Justin is a professor of philosophy and religion who focuses on the western esoteric tradition, and the host of the Esoterica UA-cam channel:
@TheEsotericaChannel
This is episode 310 of The Astrology Podcast:
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:20 Justin's background
00:01:48 Origins of the Jewish people
00:03:05 Where ancient Israelites enter history
00:05:10 Judaism's relationship to astrology
00:06:10 Development of monotheism
00:13:26 Time period for composition of Old Testament
00:14:14 The Babylonian Exile
00:17:17 Astrology in Babylon
00:19:40 Israelite anxiety about divination
00:21:05 Prohibitions are evidence of practice
00:22:14 Diversity of views in ancient Judaism
00:24:40 Move towards focus on monotheism
00:27:15 Stars mentioned in Hebrew Bible
00:28:31 Polytheistic gods demoted into angels
00:31:20 Jewish calendar based on astrological alignments
00:34:51 The Book of Enoch
00:38:07 Josephus claims Abraham invented astrology
00:39:36 Astrological text attributed to Abraham by Valens
00:43:40 Hellenistic Judaism
00:45:00 Alexandrian Judaism
00:46:56 Dead Sea Scroll astrological references
00:49:10 Qumran Caves astrological text discoveries
00:58:10 Gospel of Matthew and Star of Bethlehem
01:00:10 Background of the Messiah
01:04:20 Roman emperors and astrology
01:07:30 Astrology and Fate become entwined
01:08:17 Apocalyptic Judaism
01:10:58 Debates in Christianity about astrology and fate
01:12:00 The Talmud
01:15:53 Talmudic Astrology Source Sheet
01:20:50 Mazel Tov phrase astrological meaning
01:23:29 Debates in Talmud about Mazel
01:29:30 Changing your fate in Judaism
01:34:09 Ptolemy on fate
01:36:09 Christian defense of astrology in middle ages
01:37:09 Aristotelian view vs Neo-Platonic
01:40:24 Zodiac mosaics in synagogues in first seven centuries CE
01:51:09 Jewish astrologers in 8th century and beyond
01:53:10 Jewish astrologer Masha’allah
01:55:02 Is there such thing as a Jewish astrology?
01:56:30 More about Masha'allah
02:01:00 Chart of the founding of Baghdad
02:02:50 Sefer Yetzirah and Tree of Life
02:12:11 Planetary assignments in Tree of Life
02:14:05 Saturn as a feminine planet
02:21:14 Jewish astrologer Abraham ibn Ezra
02:31:30 Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions and messiah predictions
02:35:36 More about Abraham ibn Ezra
02:38:06 Jewish legal code and astrology
02:40:48 Justin's UA-cam and website
02:42:40 Closing remarks
Be sure to check out Justin's awesome UA-cam channel: ua-cam.com/users/ESOTERICAchannel
Great to work together on this conversation, Chris. Thanks so much for having me on!
Two amazing creators together!! Excellent
Sequel? Pls 😁
One of my favorite UA-cam channels ❤️
Uighurs are an ancient people of Central Asia, their history counts on for more than 2000 years old history. We have been Zaroostrians, Buddists (we actually i have had ntroduced to China with Budda concenpt i.e brought it from India), we have had been the only state who had a manicheizm as a state religion , but later accepted islam .
In spite of this Uighurs have still a strong traditiones which is originated and based on Astrology, things like funeral and mourning days 3,7 and 40 and also to give a name to a new born only on 40day of his/her birth and so on.
This episode is a crossover dream come true.
Agreed. This is the best.
Same here!
This is a great one but the The real crossover is when they get atleadt 5 of the major scholars in islam, Christianity, judaism, as well as taoism and Sikhism for more perspective on how the different philosophical bodies are unified
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The drinking game phrase for this episode is “from a theological standpoint.”
Also, it’s amazing to see two of my favorite UA-cam channels/podcasts come together in this episode. Cheers.
This episode was absolutely fantastic
Dr Justin Sledge is a BRILLIANT GUY, one of my favorite youtubers, so glad you brought him here
Loved this trip through the history of ideas around astrology, esotericism and the ancient Jewish world. Thanks, Chris and Justin. More, please.
I am fascinated with this video . As a person of Jewish background and someone very interested in astrology. This interview fills in a lot of history that I had no idea of. Thank you.
this was an insanely insightful conversation, thanks chris!!
Oh wow - you never cease to suprise with original and fascinating content! Curious to watch!
So great to hear long form Dr. Sledge!
Two of my favorite people!! Thank you so much for this discussion.
This morning I was reading Abraham Ibn Ezra, later opened UA-cam to this, so beautiful. Thank you both, I am just knowing about his work, amazing
Great discussion! "The Astrological Secrets of the Hebrew Sages" by Rabbi Joel C. Dobbin is a good book to understand the jewish views on astrology and how historically Judaism never condemned astrology, and that many great astrologers through the centuries have been jews.
I liked that book at first, but later I found that it contains errors
Adding this to my list!
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absolutely beautiful discussion. these episodes around history are my absolute favorites to tune in for. such a treat.
This was a fascinating presentation! Thank you for introducing me to the Esoterica channel, can't wait to dive in.
Nice work, I appreciate all of these type of vlogs.
This is a dream episode 😭 my two favorite 😍 channels together ❤
Stellar presentation. Thx guys ♥️💐💐
Another one I'll be watching a few times over. This is so very
interesting! Love it. Took a look into the Book of Enoch and while
perusing came across: "Gadreel (or Gader'el) taught the art of
cosmetics, the use of weapons and killing blows." Quite the dichotomy,
haha. Baraqel (Baraqiel) taught astrology. Thank you both, so so good.
When two Aquarian’s converge, it makes for an interesting and smoothly elucidated conversation.
Just watched this again. This is still my favorite AP Episode, and Dr Justin Sledge is still my favorite guest. I'd love to see another deep dive with the two of you.
Oh my gowd! This has to be the best day ever!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾☝🏾🤑 unbelievably excited for this🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🦄
The Astrology Podcast w/Dr Justin Sledge Listening from Mass USA TYVM 💙 Justin
I’m only 28-minutes into the podcast and enthralled. Sharing on FB!
I should have known what i was getting into with a 2 and a half hour video but this was WAY more informative, nuanced, and detailed than i thought it would be. Plus interesting the whole way through
Great discussion gentlemen, listened to this while I ripped out the walls of my office.
Omg! Modern hermeticist comment 🤑☝🏾🙌🏾. Aye🤩😍💯
It's you three
Trinity of badassery
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Oh my these 3: The Astrology Podcast, Esoterica, and The Modern Hermeticist ✨✨✨✨✨✨
Love this collaboration, great episode
I had no idea there is a university that approves "mystical" knowledge, that is so cool!
->University of Amsterdam - advanced degree of Western Esothericism & Hermetic philosophy
You should look up Wouter Hanegraaff.
This was an awesome episode! It would be super cool to have him back to talk about how the Hermetic Order of the GD has appropriated the Tree of Life and gave the sephirah (plural) planetary designations and how/if they used the Tree of Life. (This has come up for me in my tarot studies-all 22 Major Arcana have been mapped to this.) It's a rabbit hole for sure, but the history of the when and how the GD started to apply elements and planets to this would be interesting!
Wicked episode! I haven't even had breakfast yet, but had to watch.
okay now this- i didnt know i was waiting for this one this im excited for
My Scorpionic heart was so happy to see this interview with Dr. Sledge!
Dr Sledge is a BADASS. His teachings are well worth innerstanding.
Superb lecture interview.
Thank you!
Mazel tov!
What a great episode! Totally up for more of this kind of drill down! Thank you both.
I learned sooo much from this! Wonderful episode... replayed so many parts of this... amazing stuff. Yes part 2 needs to happen 👍
Man, have I been waiting for him to open up to this! Thk u Dr., thk u Cris!
Treat, treat, treat 😁🙏💜
Would love to see Dr's chart 🙂♦️
You need to interview David Cochran, the vibrational astrologer.
Thank you, Chris and Justin. Gave me a meaningful conversation with my Jewish partner, who enjoyed. I also appreciated the mention of 'cosmetics' and herbalism, as a working aesthetician. Validating acknowledgement, for me personally.
Chris,
Thank you so very very much for this episode. I love learning about historical Jewish beliefs. I just Love this guy. You both know so much about this topic.
Thank you both so much❣️
Thanks! This is excellent, that two of you found each other! Love you both!
Chris, I am always super impressed by your choice of guests & the topics you cover.
So glad I found you!
#respect #legend
Love you guys! 🙏🔥💚
OUTSTANDING! So interesting, engaging and informative. Loved this episode.
Great interview!! I learned so much.😊
...this is a priceless exchange...
New to the channel. This content is great! Exactly what I've been searching for. Thx! 😍
Thanks Chris.... Great chapter. Gettings from Colombia
Hell yeah! Dr. Justin Sledge is my favorite sage!
Thank you for this !! 💗
Great episode! Thank you both so much. 💓
Great topic! Loved to hear your guest and his expertise. I really enjoyed this episode!
I am so glad I found this channel. I'm learning so much from it.
Finally! The episode I've been so waiting for!
I hope to see more of you together. This was awesome!
So very interesting! TY for sharing this knowledge
amazing, super interesting to see both of you show your high knowledge of the ancient texts. thank you very enjoyable
I loved this episode. Thank you so much for this. I wish Dr Sledge could had gotten that book with the 13 sephiroth and it’s planetary assignments.
super excited about this, will it be on Spotify or the Podcast app soon?
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!
I love this two scholars!
Indeed! ✨
super interesting and fun to learn about. an episode to watch multiple times ✨
Great episode! I keep on discovering amazing people through this channel
So excited to see this!!! I’m a happy astrology nerd right now
I remember reading about the Kabbalah and golems in Chaim Potok novels.
Just amazing. Learned so much.
Fantastic lesson from both gentleman!!!! Thanks brothers!!
Absolutely enjoyed this so much I had to listen to more than 3 times, love the historical info and also the language and what some of the words really meant in the context.
SUCH a great episode. Thank you.
Seeing Dr. JS as a guest on your channel makes me not lose all hope for this bumpy mud road of a year. And yet further proof of how relevant your podcasts are. Thanks for making this cool match come true.
Very thankful for this podcast...Going to checkout Justins channel... So Interesting and very intelligent.
Excellent connection conversation between the two ancient teachings. Part 2 coming soon??? Please!
Probably my two favorite YT’rs of all time. Nice. Thanks you two.
I have watched this 4 times now. Thank you it’s the best
I WANT MAYAN ASTROLOGY VIDEO!
30:49😂Superb show. So interesting and illuminating. Thank you very much gentlemen.
VERY INSIGHTFUL, THANK YOU!
LOVE this episode!! Thank you for all the amazing information you bring to the world ⚛️💎🙏🏻✨
Great interview... ty :-)
This is so fascinating! Love it. 💕🙏🏻
Also love the idea of exploring spiritual and historical concepts from a non-Nazi perspective. ❤️
i found this fascinating. thank you very much.
Just to say thanks to Adrian and Chris! You are all amazing😊
Great episode Chris!
So excited to listen to this! I’ve been an Esoterica fan for so long
Loved this
Great episode
Theology, astrology, history entwined in such a beautiful interview. Excellent. Mashallah.
great podcast Chris
Another episode please.😊
IMHO Binah can be associated with Saturn as long as it's the big malefic, and the left column is from where evil things emerge. In SY it also explains the covenant of Abraham with the 10 fingers. 5 in the left hand side and others in the other side. It really matches Ibn Ezra's division (except for Mercury that can flip to benefit sometimes).
And it is told that every sefirah has its own tree inside. Maybe it's Binah inside Malchut.
There are some sefirah-planet association in Rabi Aryeh Kaplan's Edition an commentary on SY.
This is a great episode.
I have Saturn as Binah. My sources are hermitic and golden dawn.
Awesome thank you.
The greatest cross over doesn’t exi...
Absolutely love this episode!
Thank you for this video! I do have a question though. Is there a resource you would recommend for one to use to access their birth chart based on Jewish Astrology?
Amazing podcast!
Thank you so very much!
Mszel tov on your new house Chris.
I screamed like I just won the lottery lol
This is awesome. #nerdgasm
Mentioned reading the kybalion to someone I’m visiting in Egypt sometime whenever and she mentioned she’s of Sephardic lineage in her mothers side who still practice Kabbalah. Whenever I get burnt out on astrology she brings that up plus stoicism.
It’s cool to find an episode because I’m curious of various compatibilities with astrology, I’ll learn more about Kabbalah at some point. I’ll admit, my lag is feeling it’s going to go WAY over my head. Sometimes it’s surprising, the kybalion seems like common sense to me so maybe the learning curve won’t be too bad.
Part of me is laughing at myself for how quickly I went from wanting to fine tune the mess that was learning the basics of astrology to going into mysticism. A lot goes full circle, I’ll come across one cultural cosmology or view of the universe to find it again, then again, then again.
Very good episode. It’s entertaining how easy it is to disappointedly shake your head at Christianity sometimes. Not long ago I pondered how long it’d take for it to sink in that the prophecy was wrong in that case but it has a great failsafe where it also has a prophesy of its own corruption. lol… Things happen for a reason.
I like that whenever I think I’m finished with this podcast other episodes creep up. Very engaging.
It's not a coincidence that I'm also subscribed to his channel..it was written in my chart..or should I say..in the stars!!! Excellent video!!👍👍🙏👏👏