My dad was Norwegian. He ate bacon and eggs for breakfast every day, meat at every meal with potatoes and carrots or corn or beans. His cholesterol was well over 600 and he never had ashd or an MI. He died at age 97
My mother in law is 105 years old, still mentally sharp as a tack has her hair and all of her teeth, eggs and bacon for breakfast, she likes her bacon soggy not crispy and thick butter on her toast. I think the burnt toast (charcoal) helps with digestion and also lots of homemade soups, stews , pot roast. She is an excellent cook and they rarely went out to eat as my father- in -law did not like the taste of the food in restaurants. They always had a huge garden and used cow shit ( her words) to fertilize. 😂 Now her son takes care of her, and they still have a big garden plenty of fresh non gmo, organic fruits and vegetables to go along with the meat they have for dinner every night. ❤ My grandmother on my dad’s side lived to 102 and ate home cooked meals up until she went to a nursing home.
Here's a fact that always comes to mind when I hear debates about cholesterol, consuming animal meats and fats...etc. My grandmother and both Great-grandmothers ate (what some people would consider) an astonishing amount of animal fat on a regular basis. All three lived well into their 90's.
YES! My great grandma lived into her 90’s. She didn’t eat cereal for breakfast, she ate bacon and eggs and burnt toast with butter. I don’t know why she always burned the toast. I never noticed what she ate for lunch. Never occurred to me before, but now I wonder if she just at 2x/day. She was not obsessed with food. It was a minor event in her day. Dinner was meat and vegetables and occasionally a homemade, tart berry pie of some sort. So tart, I remember not really liking it then, but I probably would now.
Anecdotal is a word that has changed meaning in the last 100 years. It used to mean direct experience, as top of the line evidence anyone could expect. Since the advent of the degreed class taking over society anecdotal has come to mean the exact opposite, caca. It is now a word used to disempower and bludgeon into submission, the average man who doesn't have a peer reviewed study behind every opinion he forms watching reality go by in his life. Like it used to be for the last 300,000 years of homo sapiens time on this world before the advent of the degree. @@TerriblePerfection
Female, 58, born with congenital heart defect, left ventricle stenosis, Keto 2 months, Carnivore 20 months, my CAC is 0, Triglycerides went from 177 to 76, HDL 54 to 78, and LDL went from 105 to 134. I no longer have high blood pressure and the stenosis of left ventricle went from moderate narrowing to mild....which I attribute to inflammation CK going tom 11 to 3. A score of 3 is normal in normal range.
@@fryertuck6496 Yeah. Pretty obvious. That’s why I asked. smh. If someone doesn’t know CK, the comment is confusing, especially not knowing what “CK going tom 11 to 3” means.
@@Beatrice-nx5ld You're naive if you think most cardiologists will be interested in *anything* other than what they recommend. Doctors aren't generally outside the box thinkers.
I was born with transposition of the great vessels in 1979, had open heart surgery in 1980 “mustards baffle” procedure. I was the youngest person in Britain to have that operation. March 23 I had to have a pacemaker as my heart had got tired basically. Since ditching salad type food and eating a hell of a lot more meat I’ve never felt so alive.
The way I like to think about it is that LDL is causal to atherosclerosis like water is causal to drowning, but if I ask you how someone drowned you wouldn't answer "water" - context matters.
LDL is causal to heart disease about as well as life guards are causal of drowning is a better comparison. Elevated cholesterol in someone with heart disease is a response to repairing systemic damage. Some of that cholesterol gets glycated and sticks around even longer. None of it is whats causing heart disease. Its elevated blood pressure, inflammation, and glycated damage to the blood vessels.
I am a lmhr. LDL 360, HDL 87, Triglyceride 37. Cardiologist was freaking out wanted me on statins. I told him I would consider it if he could prove that we're blockages. So I had to pay out of my own pocket because insurance would cover a calcium score. My results were 6. So I'm not on medication and I continue on a strict carnivore diet which has been a God send for relief from IBS for the last 3 years.
I also had a calcium score of 6 just like you, and my doctor wanted me on a statin...with HDL consistently in the 80s and TGL consistently in the 70s. I get the feeling that a lot of these docs are in the back pocket of the pharmaceutical companies. That, and they are ignorant of so much cutting-edge research.
@@swanee22I worked with a guy that would routinely treat a group of us to free Starbucks, Pollo Loco and other eateries using gift cards for payment. The day he used a $200 gift card I gave in and asked him how he was able to do it. He said his wife managed a doctor’s office where pharmaceutical reps would not only give her gift cards, but also take the office out to eat.
My LDL is high. My coronary calcium score has been 0 for several years now. I’m 65 and overweight because of a disability, unexplained low oxygen levels(and lack of self control, I may as well add). Most of my life(up until 60) I have been very capable of highly physical demanding work. 3 years ago I was put on a drug to lower my cholesterol, it made me ravenous and I gained an additional 25#s. I stopped taking it. Started carnivore last fall. Thank you for leading the way.
Still trying to understand 'causal' when, even people who say it is, often say there have to be other factors. How about what causes damage to artery walls? What causes clotting? What causes clots or repairs to fail? Why do arteries not get damage if it is cholesterol causing the damage? What might the Glycocalyx have to do with all this? What might plant sterols have to do with this? At least we are asking and looking. 👍
I appreciate this. My cholesterol went up after 4 months on keto. I’ve been vegetarian for 41 years, I wasn’t eating fatty meat. Lived on soy, vegetables, fruit, kefir, eggs, cheese, Quorn, and admittedly some cream. One huge negative I lost all the muscle mass in my legs. I went on the diet for gut health, not weight loss 😕 I’m 5’2” and 114lb and I walk everywhere.
Huge! I have high cholesterol LDL but low triglycerides but my Dr keeps wanting to put me on statins. I had them do a CAC as I am 54 years old and it showed zero! They still think I should be on statins which I refuse to take. I try to stay low carb and have for 8 years or so.
I’m someone with high LDL. They have been trying to get me on statins for years. I took them about 30 years ago. When I became keto my LDL went off the charts to 625. The doctor knew me and believed me that I have a 93 year old aunt who is still living with the same number. I still have to have it checked, but since I quit Medicare advantage, I’m going to put my foot down and say no. I’m also APOE double 4, so I get an extra benefit for dementia, which is also helped by nicotine. I feel like I dodged 2 bullets!
This is me. 60 yr. Old. Male. BMI 23. BF 13%. Visceral fat less than 6 oz. CAC SCORE 0. LDL 540 HDL 80 Trigs 75 TC 625. I exercise. I eat meat and fat and every month or so something that isn’t.
Holy Mole! My doc almost lost his mind with my LDL at 230. I can only imagine what he would say if it was in the 500s. :) These studies are great for us I think.
I concur that this study is very important. It makes me wonder what information was used to come up with the idea that LDL Cholesterol caused plaque in the first place.
I am a 75 yr old female, SAD diet most of my life, keto/carnivore the past 5 - 6 years, doc wanted me on statin, when I said no she suggested checking CAC score, mine is ZERO!
Good on ya Shawn! I work in disability and healthcare as a support worker and we are training all the time and when there are no medical contradictions in a middle aged person’s medical history I say to them that I’m 54 and I eat meat and it makes me feel great. Just the smell seems to make me produce happy endorphins which I like to think is my body saying “Yes! Good!” so if it makes you feel like this too then eat meat. We have to do our best and we’ll probably live til we’re 80 but at some point some folks say “yeah but we might just drop dead, too!” I think some middle aged folks get scared about things they can only influence to an extent. All we need is good information and open minds and to try to keep our heads level.
I went keto/carnivore in September 2017 and my LDL increased significantly. I’ve had 2 CAC scans - one in late 2018 and another in 2022 and my score was zero both times. Even my very traditional Dr now says my LDL is not a concern.
You can add me to that list. very High cholesterol since my 20s chose not to take any medicine ever. had my scan it’s a zero did the stress test clear 35+ years later
My LDL is high at 173, TC at 250, HDL. I have been mostly carnivore for about a month, so ketovore, basically. After my GP raised his eyebrows I sent him your videos. For me personally, I believe it depends what else is going on in the body. I have no arterial plaque per CT and MRI of heart last month. I know if your serum calcium is high, it raises your LDL in correlation. I had past parthyroid issues and a current autoimmune issue that raises blood calcium levels. I also know those on blood thinners cannot do Vitamin E or Omega3 supplements, but when you eat things like fatty fish, which contains B12, Omega3, Vitamin E, the LDL goes down (in my personal experience). I personally think that could potentially be due to reduced inflammation with the antioxidants. I now supplement red meat with a portion of fatty fish until my body improves on the diet, and have included Vitamin C, which also reduces LDL. Overall, I am believing that our toxic diet has just left our bodies, generation after generation, starving for antioxidants to offset the stress of toxic foods, additives, sugar, antibiotics, pesticides, plastics.
Thsnk you, thank you, thank you!!! Have been worried about Apo b being high, as well as Total and Ldl. Hdl good number as well as triglycerides. Thank you again for the info. Will listen tomorrow ❤
Shared and this is fantastic. I fit the LMHR criteria and have a congenital heart condition. Now I have something extra to show my cardiologist that will get them off my case for taking statins. My previous carboholic days made me obese with high blood pressure and many other chronic metabolic issues. Now animal based and reverse all my previous health issues.
Just a few points of interest. Inflammation is a huge concern of any diet, so looking for those inflammation markers, mainly C reactive protein, and homocysteine levels are extremely important. If the circulatory system is inflamed, the body is scrambling to repair small damages with plaque in the circulatory system as an attempt to keep things under control. When there is a constant assault, that's where the problem is. Antioxidant intake helps tremendously, so if you are a meat eater, fresh organic fruits and veggies help combat the effects of inflammation in addition to things like organic extra virgin olive oil and avocado fats. Another important issue is where is the meat coming from? Is it organic grass fed meat, or is it conventionally raised beef that is loaded with GMO grains and pesticides? I bet 99.9% of your viewers can't afford 100% organic grass fed beef, so they are eating garbage meat, especially if it's from a restaurant. (Most restaurants use budget quality foods and oils to cook with).
Thank you! Note this is for LMHR (lean mass hyper responder) individuals. 'characterized by very high LDL cholesterol of 200 mg/dL or higher, HDL-C of 80 mg/dL or higher, and Triglycerides of 70 mg/dL or lower ' (Citizen Science Foundation def). And 'the LMHR subgroup had markedly lower mean BMI (22.0 vs. 24.6, P = 1.2 × 10-10)' (Current Developments in Nutrition def).
It is clear and has been for a long time that vascular damage is the cause and cholesterol reacts to this damage regardless of the level. Stop the damage and the result ends as well. We also know that high animal fat and protein consumption do not cause damage. Smoking, drinking, and high blood sugar are the top 3 causing damage when it is not a genetic defect.
I think my doctor had me take a CAC test 2 years ago after my blood work looked off (wasn’t sure what it was called). Afterwards, I was told I had the heart of a 35-year old. (I was 58.)
High cholesterol is only a a bad thing if it's coming from Ox-LDL which is not created naturally. High cholesterol on metabolically healthy people is not probably not a bad thing
Thanks for the update, Doc! Actually getting a CTA done in March! It literally just got approved last week. Hoping the test results will finally put my doctor's mind at ease regarding my total and LDL cholesterol!
What I have seen in my patients is that LDL levels are only important in type A bloodtypes, plus less so in AB's. If you look into German New Medicine though, it is said that cholesterol is only there to act as a sort of spackle, to repair damage to the arterial intima, caused by a shock of some sort (mental, emotional, physical, or spiritual) that causes a shock pattern in the brain. That then causes LDL to be sent to torn areas for repair, and it is meant to go away as the causative factor (conflict) is dealt with. Whether you believe in that or not, I can tell you that the cholesterol studies that all the pharmaceutical crap is based on are flawed (for the most part). In order to get true information, you have to ask the right questions, not be looking to make money on some drug to "fix" the problem. We need cholesterol, not only to make hormones, but for so many other things. I was first clued in to the ridiculousness of the supposed cholesterol problem back in my early 20's (1970's) when my doctor just about fell off his chair when he asked me what I ate every week (3+ dozen eggs, +1 lb steak per day, mushrooms boiled in butter--which the steak was then dipped into--, half loaf of sourdough bread slathered with butter, a couple pounds of bacon, lots of cheeses, etc.) and my total cholesterol was 90, with the other components all normal. I laughed when he told me that even though my cholesterol was "lower than ever heard of" (at that point), that it wasn't healthy and I needed to change my diet. I never had problems until I went full vegan for 4 years (boy was THAT ever a mistake!).
Thank you Shawn your bringing us all some very interesting research with good news for high LDL patients that really is against the tide as with all your Videos NO BS facts and straight talking Sir.
My type A- family all had high cholesterol levels. No heart issues in the women. Lots of osteo. Two men effected. However the two men were daily whisky and beer drinkers, non obese over weight, smokers who preferred fishing like activities. Average German style diets.
My experience to this point: 20+ years on a statin and still being "high" on most labs. 4+years ago doc added Ezetimibe which gave me worse side-effects than the statin. Got a new provider who had me do a CAC (Which I'd NEVER even heard of even after 20 years of having statins pushed on me by at least 3 other providers). CAC score came back zero (I was 53 at the time) Got off the statin but stayed on the SAD for two years at an obese body weight (BMI 30ISH) On 3/1/22 I went low carb/keto. At my annual physical in Jan 2023 my LDL was 365, Trigs were 90ish, HDL was 72 (so just outside the #lmhr criteria on the last two). I was also 70 pounds leaner, BP was the best it's been since HS, and arthritic joints hurting less. I got my provider to order an NMR and none of the individual particle counts came back throwing flags but my provider was still freaking out. I'm still on a low carb, basically ketovore diet and my BMI is now 23. I'll ask for a new CAC next month and go from there. I'm interested to see what happens with those lipid numbers now that my weight has been fairly static for a bit. Keep the great content coming, Dr. Baker.
Yes, I have a similar situation. High Total Cholesterol, HDL & LDL. But a rockstar ratio. Arterial plaque scan revealed zero plaque. All other biomarkers are on point. My doc is dialed in enough to my lifestyle to not push statins or other SOC protocols on me. Thanks for sharing this study, Shawn!
My total Cholesterol is 268 and my CAC score was 0. I only eat once a day and it's fairly strict with meat, eggs, no dairy, shell fish and only Salmon wild.
It's been 6 1/2 years for me being on a very low carb elimination diet, mostly animal products with a cup of coffee or tea I put my collagen in for the day. I just went to a new primary care physician & he knows I'm a nutritionist. I've run the usual battery of tests... cholesterol is "high" for the arbitrary pressed current numbers 222. Triglycerides are low, HDL is good, LDL is just over their normal arbitrary numbers. Basically Doc said my tests all look good but sent me for a CT scan for a coronary calcification score. Between us, I really hope it comes back with nothing, because I feel like I'm N1 to him & I want to be a shining example of what we're SUPPOSED to be doing for optimal health. My sister is a nurse & surgeon's assistant ... she is even confused why he wanted the test. I believe he wanted it because my grandparent had heart issues, but why then did he not care about the rest of their health & only focus on my bio parents (neither of them have any cardiac issues)? I should find out soon what the scan results are.
Ok, I'm new to this channel. I was an RN 20yrs (90% cardiac). Even though my memory is failing, I don't think I ever heard of CAC or LMHR. Can someone spell out what they stand for? Thanks.
It is my understanding that the most significant factor in plaque accumulation is a lack of vitamin K2. Shawn Baker, could you please let me know your thoughts on this?
SAD diet until 7 months ago, then ketovore. By definition I’m a LMHR for a few months now. Recent CAC 175 (likely not from new diet). I am hoping to find some results from the handful of study participants that started with elevated CAC to see how they did. So many things to consider, but overall good news. My wife has a zero CAC and is LMHR carnivore.
From what I’ve read , serum chloresterol levels are a fairly poor predictor of CAD risk. ApoB seems to be a much more reliable marker. So what did this study find in relation to LDL and ApoB?
I have had high l d l cholesterol exactly as the video says. I did have a CAC test in Bellevue Wa. My arteries were average. The Dr. that did my test wasn’t surprised. She did recommend continuing on statins. What she didn’t know is that I had not been on any statins. I think big pharmaceutical companies profit big time by way over proscribing statins. I do take red rice yeast from the health food store.
What I've known forever because I was blessed with common sense. I'm 63 have about 10 percent body fat, can run forever, I get out 3-4 times a week (4-10 miles;plus I run shuttle sprints here and there) I also do plenty of strength and striking training too. I've always followed a "see" food diet. I literally eat anything and everything, don't worry about carbs, sugar or fat. I just train, do some intermittent fasting 3-4 days a week (have done a couple 3 day fasts) and watch my portions. Also, my blood work the last couple of times my Drs looked at it was perfect! I mean perfect!
My cholesterol is over 500, has been Keto 42 years now carnivore. My Dr. Told me I need to be put on meds I refused. I feel as his patient he will not treat me anymore????
Yes, good news indeed. My total cholesterol in mmol/L is 14, which in American units translates to 541. Triglycerides 0.7, which in US measurements is 62. HDL 2.6, which translates to 100.5. My total cholesterol when on the SAD diet had been "normal". It shot up when I went keto and then leapt even higher when I went carnivore. A little over a year ago my doctor, worried that my arteries would be clogging up, sent me for a CAC score. When it came back zero she said that maybe the clogging was happening in my carotid and renal arteries instead. She sent me to have these scanned using ultrasound and these also came back clear. She no longer urges me to go on a statin.
The statement that LDL cholesterol is causal to plaque buildup should always be clarified as causal when associated with other "not well understood" factors. My personal favorite is insulin resistance but I don't believe that has been proven yet. IR is associated with a whole host of the other CVD risk factors like BMI, hypertension, etc, so it only makes sense that these are all related. High LDL without the other risk factors may be a red herring.
the mainstream will be reeling at this...I'm sure they'll come up with some reason why this study was inaccurate...it'll hurt their bottom line too much
LDL and triglycerides are sometimes markers, but never causes, of CVD. The real question is "what's going on with the insulin response and glucose?" When we develope insulin resistance due to ex excessive carbohydrate consumption, we cause inflammation of the blood vessels, which leads to scaring, which causes plaquing of the vessel walls, ie. atherosclerosis.
I am carnivore and I have a CAC of 120. I’m 58 and My cholesterol is high around 300 with ldl being 220. Of course my doctor wants me on medication. I believe my calcium score is due to my years on a standard American diet. I am super fit and I train 5-6 days a week. I am very metabolically healthy. What should I do? I am worried about the CAC. Help me dr baker. What should I do?
How do these Coronary Heart experts reconcile the fact that there is no Plaguing in the Veinous, low pressure, areas of the body. If cholesterol is causing plaque it should be in all systems that circulate lipids and are structurally identical.
My ldl was 192 at my last pcp appt. Dr was Rx ing statins. I said no but I would do a CAC and we would discuss options from there. CAC score came back at 0. Haven’t heard a peep from the Dr since 😂
I’ll take a wild guess that this wasn’t funded by Kelloggs or Pfizer? 😂
😅 Love it 😍💯
LOL, that is probably a given and not a guess.
😂❤❤
Or...or...the edible oil industry
@@ptj4620 lol
My dad was Norwegian. He ate bacon and eggs for breakfast every day, meat at every meal with potatoes and carrots or corn or beans. His cholesterol was well over 600 and he never had ashd or an MI. He died at age 97
There are always outliers. The scientific evidence shows drastically different results.
@@tarabooartarmy3654 after covid “scientific” evidence, i will never “trust the science” or any three letter agencies again.
@@tarabooartarmy3654not really. Post your links to this evidence.
@@ronb9901 The China Study book is one.
@@tarabooartarmy3654 A Lot of things have changed in 20 years. I’ll keep my meat.
This guy is bomb . A man who
Lives to the dictates of his conscience. Keep on teaching us. A big beneficiary.
My mother in law is 105 years old, still mentally sharp as a tack has her hair and all of her teeth, eggs and bacon for breakfast, she likes her bacon soggy not crispy and thick butter on her toast. I think the burnt toast (charcoal) helps with digestion and also lots of homemade soups, stews , pot roast. She is an excellent cook and they rarely went out to eat as my father- in -law did not like the taste of the food in restaurants. They always had a huge garden and used cow shit ( her words) to fertilize. 😂
Now her son takes care of her, and they still have a big garden plenty of fresh non gmo, organic fruits and vegetables to go along with the meat they have for dinner every night. ❤
My grandmother on my dad’s side lived to 102 and ate home cooked meals up until she went to a nursing home.
Here's a fact that always comes to mind when I hear debates about cholesterol, consuming animal meats and fats...etc. My grandmother and both Great-grandmothers ate (what some people would consider) an astonishing amount of animal fat on a regular basis. All three lived well into their 90's.
same here, and we have always been told people used to die in their 30s and 40s before the amazing unhealthcare we have now, more lies.
Same in my family, but people just roll their eyes at such information, as though "anecdotal evidence" has no validity. What?!
YES! My great grandma lived into her 90’s. She didn’t eat cereal for breakfast, she ate bacon and eggs and burnt toast with butter. I don’t know why she always burned the toast.
I never noticed what she ate for lunch. Never occurred to me before, but now I wonder if she just at 2x/day. She was not obsessed with food. It was a minor event in her day. Dinner was meat and vegetables and occasionally a homemade, tart berry pie of some sort. So tart, I remember not really liking it then, but I probably would now.
Same for my family. All live into their 90s and have cholesterol over 200.
Anecdotal is a word that has changed meaning in the last 100 years. It used to mean direct experience, as top of the line evidence anyone could expect. Since the advent of the degreed class taking over society anecdotal has come to mean the exact opposite, caca.
It is now a word used to disempower and bludgeon into submission, the average man who doesn't have a peer reviewed study behind every opinion he forms watching reality go by in his life. Like it used to be for the last 300,000 years of homo sapiens time on this world before the advent of the degree. @@TerriblePerfection
Female, 58, born with congenital heart defect, left ventricle stenosis, Keto 2 months, Carnivore 20 months, my CAC is 0, Triglycerides went from 177 to 76, HDL 54 to 78, and LDL went from 105 to 134. I no longer have high blood pressure and the stenosis of left ventricle went from moderate narrowing to mild....which I attribute to inflammation CK going tom 11 to 3. A score of 3 is normal in normal range.
Don’t understand your comment about inflammation
@@2old4allthis It's pretty obvious that she feels reducing inflammation improved flow in that ventricle.
@@fryertuck6496 Yeah. Pretty obvious. That’s why I asked. smh. If someone doesn’t know CK, the comment is confusing, especially not knowing what “CK going tom 11 to 3” means.
@@Beatrice-nx5ld You're naive if you think most cardiologists will be interested in *anything* other than what they recommend. Doctors aren't generally outside the box thinkers.
I was born with transposition of the great vessels in 1979, had open heart surgery in 1980 “mustards baffle” procedure. I was the youngest person in Britain to have that operation. March 23 I had to have a pacemaker as my heart had got tired basically.
Since ditching salad type food and eating a hell of a lot more meat I’ve never felt so alive.
The way I like to think about it is that LDL is causal to atherosclerosis like water is causal to drowning, but if I ask you how someone drowned you wouldn't answer "water" - context matters.
That is a very good comparison.
In both cases, make sure you continue to swim. Exercise matters.
LDL is causal to heart disease about as well as life guards are causal of drowning is a better comparison. Elevated cholesterol in someone with heart disease is a response to repairing systemic damage. Some of that cholesterol gets glycated and sticks around even longer. None of it is whats causing heart disease. Its elevated blood pressure, inflammation, and glycated damage to the blood vessels.
It appeals to me, as I heard someone say, that Cholesterol is the paramedic that turns up at the site of the inflammatory “accident”.
I am 37 years old. I have high ldl, low hdl, low triglycerides. I am also on a low carb, high protein diet. Healthy as an ox.
When my ldl was lower I got colds at least three times a year, now I'm ketovar it's double that and I haven been sick since. Five years.
I am a lmhr. LDL 360, HDL 87, Triglyceride 37. Cardiologist was freaking out wanted me on statins. I told him I would consider it if he could prove that we're blockages. So I had to pay out of my own pocket because insurance would cover a calcium score. My results were 6. So I'm not on medication and I continue on a strict carnivore diet which has been a God send for relief from IBS for the last 3 years.
What does 6 mean? The range ist what? Thx
I also had a calcium score of 6 just like you, and my doctor wanted me on a statin...with HDL consistently in the 80s and TGL consistently in the 70s. I get the feeling that a lot of these docs are in the back pocket of the pharmaceutical companies. That, and they are ignorant of so much cutting-edge research.
@@swanee22I worked with a guy that would routinely treat a group of us to free Starbucks, Pollo Loco and other eateries using gift cards for payment.
The day he used a $200 gift card I gave in and asked him how he was able to do it. He said his wife managed a doctor’s office where pharmaceutical reps would not only give her gift cards, but also take the office out to eat.
@Kristina-sv1fm it is realy good I think the score goes to 400
@@danielshugars917 wow, that's really great, congrats
Such great news for all of us that meet LMHR levels!!!
"This is so shocking and mind-blowing and I'm so surprised!!!" said no carnivore ever...
This is huge, agreed. Thank you Shawn, you are a genuine hero in a world of fake heros
Spread the word ! Can't wait for the discussion !
I'm there :) ... HDL 81, trigs 75, BMI 22.1, LDL 273 ... Thanks for the good news, doc!
Thank you Dr. Baker!! Great news!!!
My LDL is high. My coronary calcium score has been 0 for several years now. I’m 65 and overweight because of a disability, unexplained low oxygen levels(and lack of self control, I may as well add). Most of my life(up until 60) I have been very capable of highly physical demanding work. 3 years ago I was put on a drug to lower my cholesterol, it made me ravenous and I gained an additional 25#s. I stopped taking it. Started carnivore last fall. Thank you for leading the way.
Great Information, thanks
Thank you Dr Baker.
Thank you doc I will tell everyone.love from the uk
Fascinating - thank you so much for sharing this!!!! Hopefully, this will help my family not worry so much about me being on the carnivore diet.
Fantastic news. Thank you
Still trying to understand 'causal' when, even people who say it is, often say there have to be other factors. How about what causes damage to artery walls? What causes clotting? What causes clots or repairs to fail? Why do arteries not get damage if it is cholesterol causing the damage? What might the Glycocalyx have to do with all this? What might plant sterols have to do with this? At least we are asking and looking. 👍
Thank you for sharing the study.
I appreciate this.
My cholesterol went up after 4 months on keto. I’ve been vegetarian for 41 years, I wasn’t eating fatty meat. Lived on soy, vegetables, fruit, kefir, eggs, cheese, Quorn, and admittedly some cream.
One huge negative I lost all the muscle mass in my legs. I went on the diet for gut health, not weight loss 😕 I’m 5’2” and 114lb and I walk everywhere.
Was ur protein intake adequate..maybe u need a coach
@@laynebruce4862 I don’t know if my protein was adequate but my once shapely legs are like sticks. Not impressed 😩
Huge! I have high cholesterol LDL but low triglycerides but my Dr keeps wanting to put me on statins. I had them do a CAC as I am 54 years old and it showed zero! They still think I should be on statins which I refuse to take. I try to stay low carb and have for 8 years or so.
When this study gets published I would appreciate a link to this paper so that I can read it.
I’m someone with high LDL. They have been trying to get me on statins for years. I took them about 30 years ago. When I became keto my LDL went off the charts to 625. The doctor knew me and believed me that I have a 93 year old aunt who is still living with the same number. I still have to have it checked, but since I quit Medicare advantage, I’m going to put my foot down and say no. I’m also APOE double 4, so I get an extra benefit for dementia, which is also helped by nicotine. I feel like I dodged 2 bullets!
This is me. 60 yr. Old. Male. BMI 23. BF 13%. Visceral fat less than 6 oz. CAC SCORE 0. LDL 540 HDL 80 Trigs 75 TC 625. I exercise. I eat meat and fat and every month or so something that isn’t.
Holy Mole! My doc almost lost his mind with my LDL at 230. I can only imagine what he would say if it was in the 500s. :)
These studies are great for us I think.
I concur that this study is very important. It makes me wonder what information was used to come up with the idea that LDL Cholesterol caused plaque in the first place.
I appreciate this update!
I am a 75 yr old female, SAD diet most of my life, keto/carnivore the past 5 - 6 years, doc wanted me on statin, when I said no she suggested checking CAC score, mine is ZERO!
Hope she shut up then!
This is exciting! Let's see how they try and bury the information.
Good on ya Shawn!
I work in disability and healthcare as a support worker and we are training all the time and when there are no medical contradictions in a middle aged person’s medical history I say to them that I’m 54 and I eat meat and it makes me feel great.
Just the smell seems to make me produce happy endorphins which I like to think is my body saying “Yes! Good!” so if it makes you feel like this too then eat meat.
We have to do our best and we’ll probably live til we’re 80 but at some point some folks say “yeah but we might just drop dead, too!”
I think some middle aged folks get scared about things they can only influence to an extent.
All we need is good information and open minds and to try to keep our heads level.
I went keto/carnivore in September 2017 and my LDL increased significantly. I’ve had 2 CAC scans - one in late 2018 and another in 2022 and my score was zero both times. Even my very traditional Dr now says my LDL is not a concern.
This is such a great channel.
Can we now get on with treating the Real Cause(s) of CVD? Thank you, Dr. Baker!
Like hyperinsulemia.
You can add me to that list. very High cholesterol since my 20s chose not to take any medicine ever. had my scan it’s a zero did the stress test clear 35+ years later
My LDL is high at 173, TC at 250, HDL. I have been mostly carnivore for about a month, so ketovore, basically. After my GP raised his eyebrows I sent him your videos. For me personally, I believe it depends what else is going on in the body. I have no arterial plaque per CT and MRI of heart last month. I know if your serum calcium is high, it raises your LDL in correlation. I had past parthyroid issues and a current autoimmune issue that raises blood calcium levels.
I also know those on blood thinners cannot do Vitamin E or Omega3 supplements, but when you eat things like fatty fish, which contains B12, Omega3, Vitamin E, the LDL goes down (in my personal experience). I personally think that could potentially be due to reduced inflammation with the antioxidants. I now supplement red meat with a portion of fatty fish until my body improves on the diet, and have included Vitamin C, which also reduces LDL. Overall, I am believing that our toxic diet has just left our bodies, generation after generation, starving for antioxidants to offset the stress of toxic foods, additives, sugar, antibiotics, pesticides, plastics.
So, do you take vitamin C and eat fish every day? How much Vitamin C a day? Thanks.
Thsnk you, thank you, thank you!!! Have been worried about Apo b being high, as well as Total and Ldl. Hdl good number as well as triglycerides. Thank you again for the info. Will listen tomorrow ❤
Shared and this is fantastic. I fit the LMHR criteria and have a congenital heart condition. Now I have something extra to show my cardiologist that will get them off my case for taking statins. My previous carboholic days made me obese with high blood pressure and many other chronic metabolic issues. Now animal based and reverse all my previous health issues.
Dr. Baker, thank you for this video! You have no idea what I’ve been going through with my feelings about this subject.
Thank you Dr. for sharing this study! Hopefully nothing 'offs' them in 5-6 years.
Amazing news!! Maybe this will help some doctors to wake up!! Thanks!! ❤🤗🙏🙏
Just a few points of interest.
Inflammation is a huge concern of any diet, so looking for those inflammation markers, mainly C reactive protein, and homocysteine levels are extremely important.
If the circulatory system is inflamed, the body is scrambling to repair small damages with plaque in the circulatory system as an attempt to keep things under control.
When there is a constant assault, that's where the problem is.
Antioxidant intake helps tremendously, so if you are a meat eater, fresh organic fruits and veggies help combat the effects of inflammation in addition to things like organic extra virgin olive oil and avocado fats.
Another important issue is where is the meat coming from? Is it organic grass fed meat, or is it conventionally raised beef that is loaded with GMO grains and pesticides?
I bet 99.9% of your viewers can't afford 100% organic grass fed beef, so they are eating garbage meat, especially if it's from a restaurant. (Most restaurants use budget quality foods and oils to cook with).
Thank you for your wise comments. Big Pharma stinks. What about the jab. All systems are coming apart at the seams.
Thx Dr Baker!!
When I eat carbs and sugar I can fell my heart beating in my ears, and it fells like anxiety in my heart. I’ve tested it.
Thank you! Note this is for LMHR (lean mass hyper responder) individuals. 'characterized by very high LDL cholesterol of 200 mg/dL or higher, HDL-C of 80 mg/dL or higher, and Triglycerides of 70 mg/dL or lower ' (Citizen Science Foundation def). And 'the LMHR subgroup had markedly lower mean BMI (22.0 vs. 24.6, P = 1.2 × 10-10)' (Current Developments in Nutrition def).
It is clear and has been for a long time that vascular damage is the cause and cholesterol reacts to this damage regardless of the level. Stop the damage and the result ends as well. We also know that high animal fat and protein consumption do not cause damage. Smoking, drinking, and high blood sugar are the top 3 causing damage when it is not a genetic defect.
I think my doctor had me take a CAC test 2 years ago after my blood work looked off (wasn’t sure what it was called).
Afterwards, I was told I had the heart of a 35-year old. (I was 58.)
I’m betting the powers that be will try and bury or discredit this study!
Hope Peter Attia take a look at this study. The high cholestrol on keto has been the reason he has been reluctant recommending this diet.
High cholesterol is only a a bad thing if it's coming from Ox-LDL which is not created naturally. High cholesterol on metabolically healthy people is not probably not a bad thing
A good diet and exercise goes a long way to improving your health. Consistency is the key.
I'm not surprised at the results!!!
Thanks for the update, Doc!
Actually getting a CTA done in March! It literally just got approved last week. Hoping the test results will finally put my doctor's mind at ease regarding my total and LDL cholesterol!
What I have seen in my patients is that LDL levels are only important in type A bloodtypes, plus less so in AB's. If you look into German New Medicine though, it is said that cholesterol is only there to act as a sort of spackle, to repair damage to the arterial intima, caused by a shock of some sort (mental, emotional, physical, or spiritual) that causes a shock pattern in the brain. That then causes LDL to be sent to torn areas for repair, and it is meant to go away as the causative factor (conflict) is dealt with. Whether you believe in that or not, I can tell you that the cholesterol studies that all the pharmaceutical crap is based on are flawed (for the most part). In order to get true information, you have to ask the right questions, not be looking to make money on some drug to "fix" the problem. We need cholesterol, not only to make hormones, but for so many other things. I was first clued in to the ridiculousness of the supposed cholesterol problem back in my early 20's (1970's) when my doctor just about fell off his chair when he asked me what I ate every week (3+ dozen eggs, +1 lb steak per day, mushrooms boiled in butter--which the steak was then dipped into--, half loaf of sourdough bread slathered with butter, a couple pounds of bacon, lots of cheeses, etc.) and my total cholesterol was 90, with the other components all normal. I laughed when he told me that even though my cholesterol was "lower than ever heard of" (at that point), that it wasn't healthy and I needed to change my diet. I never had problems until I went full vegan for 4 years (boy was THAT ever a mistake!).
Thank you Shawn your bringing us all some very interesting research with good news for high LDL patients that really is against the tide as with all your Videos NO BS facts and straight talking Sir.
My type A- family all had high cholesterol levels. No heart issues in the women. Lots of osteo. Two men effected. However the two men were daily whisky and beer drinkers, non obese over weight, smokers who preferred fishing like activities. Average German style diets.
My experience to this point:
20+ years on a statin and still being "high" on most labs.
4+years ago doc added Ezetimibe which gave me worse side-effects than the statin.
Got a new provider who had me do a CAC (Which I'd NEVER even heard of even after 20 years of having statins pushed on me by at least 3 other providers). CAC score came back zero (I was 53 at the time)
Got off the statin but stayed on the SAD for two years at an obese body weight (BMI 30ISH)
On 3/1/22 I went low carb/keto.
At my annual physical in Jan 2023 my LDL was 365, Trigs were 90ish, HDL was 72 (so just outside the #lmhr criteria on the last two). I was also 70 pounds leaner, BP was the best it's been since HS, and arthritic joints hurting less. I got my provider to order an NMR and none of the individual particle counts came back throwing flags but my provider was still freaking out.
I'm still on a low carb, basically ketovore diet and my BMI is now 23. I'll ask for a new CAC next month and go from there. I'm interested to see what happens with those lipid numbers now that my weight has been fairly static for a bit.
Keep the great content coming, Dr. Baker.
Yes, I have a similar situation. High Total Cholesterol, HDL & LDL. But a rockstar ratio. Arterial plaque scan revealed zero plaque. All other biomarkers are on point. My doc is dialed in enough to my lifestyle to not push statins or other SOC protocols on me. Thanks for sharing this study, Shawn!
Thank you!!!!
thanks Shawn youre voice is much appreciated !
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I think this fits me. Glad to hear I should be fine.
I'm Keto and have high cholesterol. My doctor is making me do the in depth test. We'll see
Excellent!!!
I'm convinced high LDL isn't the cause of ASCAD, but rather inflammation from other causes.
That's really cool. Five years! Really good.
Brilliant!
My total Cholesterol is 268 and my CAC score was 0. I only eat once a day and it's fairly strict with meat, eggs, no dairy, shell fish and only Salmon wild.
It's been 6 1/2 years for me being on a very low carb elimination diet, mostly animal products with a cup of coffee or tea I put my collagen in for the day. I just went to a new primary care physician & he knows I'm a nutritionist. I've run the usual battery of tests... cholesterol is "high" for the arbitrary pressed current numbers 222. Triglycerides are low, HDL is good, LDL is just over their normal arbitrary numbers. Basically Doc said my tests all look good but sent me for a CT scan for a coronary calcification score. Between us, I really hope it comes back with nothing, because I feel like I'm N1 to him & I want to be a shining example of what we're SUPPOSED to be doing for optimal health. My sister is a nurse & surgeon's assistant ... she is even confused why he wanted the test. I believe he wanted it because my grandparent had heart issues, but why then did he not care about the rest of their health & only focus on my bio parents (neither of them have any cardiac issues)? I should find out soon what the scan results are.
Pls let us know whatever it is. Thank you.
Ok, I'm new to this channel. I was an RN 20yrs (90% cardiac). Even though my memory is failing, I don't think I ever heard of CAC or LMHR. Can someone spell out what they stand for? Thanks.
It is my understanding that the most significant factor in plaque accumulation is a lack of vitamin K2. Shawn Baker, could you please let me know your thoughts on this?
What about those of us with cardio vascular disease in our family genetics? I have a stent in my LAD put in 2018. Please advise.
SAD diet until 7 months ago, then ketovore. By definition I’m a LMHR for a few months now. Recent CAC 175 (likely not from new diet). I am hoping to find some results from the handful of study participants that started with elevated CAC to see how they did. So many things to consider, but overall good news. My wife has a zero CAC and is LMHR carnivore.
I have somewhat high LDL (230) and ZERO on the CAC scan.
From what I’ve read , serum chloresterol levels are a fairly poor predictor of CAD risk. ApoB seems to be a much more reliable marker. So what did this study find in relation to LDL and ApoB?
It is a multi variable problem. What a surprise.
I am tired of trying to adjust my habits based on baseless theories.
I have had high l d l cholesterol exactly as the video says. I did have a CAC test in Bellevue Wa. My arteries were average. The Dr. that did my test wasn’t surprised. She did recommend continuing on statins. What she didn’t know is that I had not been on any statins. I think big pharmaceutical companies profit big time by way over proscribing statins. I do take red rice yeast from the health food store.
What I've known forever because I was blessed with common sense. I'm 63 have about 10 percent body fat, can run forever, I get out 3-4 times a week (4-10 miles;plus I run shuttle sprints here and there) I also do plenty of strength and striking training too. I've always followed a "see" food diet. I literally eat anything and everything, don't worry about carbs, sugar or fat. I just train, do some intermittent fasting 3-4 days a week (have done a couple 3 day fasts) and watch my portions. Also, my blood work the last couple of times my Drs looked at it was perfect! I mean perfect!
What is your age?
My cholesterol is over 500, has been Keto 42 years now carnivore. My Dr. Told me I need to be put on meds I refused. I feel as his patient he will not treat me anymore????
That beep at the end scared the shit outta me. Lol
Thank you
Yes, good news indeed. My total cholesterol in mmol/L is 14, which in American units translates to 541. Triglycerides 0.7, which in US measurements is 62. HDL 2.6, which translates to 100.5. My total cholesterol when on the SAD diet had been "normal". It shot up when I went keto and then leapt even higher when I went carnivore. A little over a year ago my doctor, worried that my arteries would be clogging up, sent me for a CAC score. When it came back zero she said that maybe the clogging was happening in my carotid and renal arteries instead. She sent me to have these scanned using ultrasound and these also came back clear. She no longer urges me to go on a statin.
The statement that LDL cholesterol is causal to plaque buildup should always be clarified as causal when associated with other "not well understood" factors. My personal favorite is insulin resistance but I don't believe that has been proven yet. IR is associated with a whole host of the other CVD risk factors like BMI, hypertension, etc, so it only makes sense that these are all related. High LDL without the other risk factors may be a red herring.
Keep up the great work mate .
the mainstream will be reeling at this...I'm sure they'll come up with some reason why this study was inaccurate...it'll hurt their bottom line too much
LDL and triglycerides are sometimes markers, but never causes, of CVD. The real question is "what's going on with the insulin response and glucose?" When we develope insulin resistance due to ex excessive carbohydrate consumption, we cause inflammation of the blood vessels, which leads to scaring, which causes plaquing of the vessel walls, ie. atherosclerosis.
Amazing! Waiting for the paper!
I am carnivore and I have a CAC of 120. I’m 58 and My cholesterol is high around 300 with ldl being 220. Of course my doctor wants me on medication. I believe my calcium score is due to my years on a standard American diet. I am super fit and I train 5-6 days a week. I am very metabolically healthy. What should I do? I am worried about the CAC. Help me dr baker. What should I do?
I am similar and am concerned with my 159 CAC.
Got a like Sir ...from Europe
Yes! This is my mo, CAC zero after I did carnivore over 2.5 yrs will repeat next year at 5 yrs carnivore!
Is there any differentiation in the study between large particle LDL and small particle LDL?
How will Peter Attia explain this?
Cholesterol is not a causal factor in heart disease, it is a symptom. Inflammation requiring cholesterol to heal the vessels is causal.
How do these Coronary Heart experts reconcile the fact that there is no Plaguing in the Veinous, low pressure, areas of the body. If cholesterol is causing plaque it should be in all systems that circulate lipids and are structurally identical.
Does anyone have a link to the study. I’d like to read directly.
My ldl was 192 at my last pcp appt. Dr was Rx ing statins. I said no but I would do a CAC and we would discuss options from there. CAC score came back at 0. Haven’t heard a peep from the Dr since 😂