My view on C64 chips - at least the plastic cased MOS chips, is that they are thermally regulated by dissipating power through the legs of the chips into the PCB, which is itself a heat sink. Putting classic heat sinks on plastic chips seems almost pointless because plastic doesn't transfer heat very well. Bil Herd who created the C128 points this out. Hey Bil! I'd agree air flow would do a lot more for longevity
Can confirm that Kangaroos are suicidal. They like to wait on the side of the road, watching you approach, until you're just about to pass, then jump Infront of the car.👻
The dream team. Well 2/3rds of the dream team. Looking forward to Neil being back as well. I love all the guests on the show, but Chris is awesome 👍 really informative interesting show guys. 🙂 p.s. I just about remember the adventure game, im sure there was a plant that talked at the contestants in this show as well.
I grew up with the C64 and Amigas(500/1200) so naturally they're the greatest systems ever! 😁👍🏼 [Also i sold them long time ago to fund my PC addiction, so obviously, in my mind they're completely infallible😉]
I really enjoyed Halt and Catch Fire. It folds in a lot of US based tech industry events into a fictional company. Not a watch for factual history, it’s fiction that uses real events as inspiration. Kinda like a serious version of Silicon Valley.
Wish they had given a little more attention to the tech. It became a soap opera after a while, and in typical AMC fashion, it got to the point where few if any of the characters were even remotely likeable. But I still watched it until the end, just for the novelty of the subject matter.
Microsoft Paint is one of the few apps I miss from Windows, now that I daily drive a Mac. I know I'm not a typical user, but I still have the need to pixel-edit graphics. I was recently taking an old Amiga font and creating per-glyph image files for use in a C program I was writing. Paint was absolutely perfect for that kind of stuff. There's nothing in Mac OS that does that kind of thing -- it's all photo-centric.
..aaaand in germany as well. As a cyclist i've seen/heard them in action two times, and in both cases the deer stood in the middle of the road, looking at the car with an irritated ''WTF'' expression. My 10 cents are on ' bs ' !
Re: Longevity and attitudes -- Couldn't identify with this more strongly. My PCs in the 90s and 2000s were mules. I would build them, often a bit sloppily, turn them on, and hardly ever turn them off. They would run 24/7, automatically redialing to the Internet in the modem days so I could reach it remotely. I often didn't even bother to put the case cover back on half the time, guts exposed for the world to see. I hauled them to LAN parties, and a few times in my carry-on luggage. I would drop a CD in an optical drive, hit Repeat on the Windows CD Player, and go to bed ... waking up the next morning (or afternoon...) with the same album still playing. Laser lifespan? Pfff... when it dies, I'll buy a faster drive. My laptops were ever worse. I drove those things until the wheels fell off. When I retired a laptop for a new one, the battery was shot, the keyboard was worn down to the nubs and probably missing a key cap, the touchpad was polished smooth, the hinges were wobbly, and the case had dents in it. I cared for them, but I didn't baby them. I just used them. Alot. Everywhere. Now, with all the stuff I've long since given or thrown away, I had to re-buy it all online. And the stuff I bought was often in better shape than what I had. (Although, the ones I originally owned would have had all their parts. All the IO shields and empty drive bay covers, driver CDs, dongles, etc.) I'm half scared to use it, because I don't want to use it up. I certainly won't be using a Pentium III with WinAmp to play my MP3 collection on shuffle-repeat at all times. My 2018 Mac Mini, OTH .... may as well be the pilot light. It's never off unless the mains has failed. The only difference is, this time, it will eventually be retired from active service and become a treasured artifact too.
We always get this Mac vs PC laptop talk at work where all the marketing people say their Mac "is just better". However they fail to realise they are comparing a £2000 macbook they've been given to the £450 POS the rest of the company has to use.
Regarding heatsinks. I think they became a requirement when chips were dying SOON after a machine was sold. Obviously thats not acceptable. But... of course that heat sink means the same chip will STILL die, but less SOON. And I think thats the point. C64, Atari 800 chips etc will all die, but excessive heat in them WILL make them die sooner. And I don't think its correct to think these chips run super cool. They do not (though some are up there) but they generate heat, and that heat causes expansion etc over time. So reducing heat swing will extend the life of all of these chips. And when a chip DOES fail, well, the heatsink is 100% re-usable on its replacement. So I can't see the harm in popping a heatsink on a chip, especially as they become more rare and expensive to replace. A SID chip now is a more valuable item, so popping a copper heatsink on it makes sense. Maybe aluminiums sinks for the less important chips, like the CIA. And a fan in the case, if silent, well, its going to help cooling a lot eh?
I have always wondered where Kim found all the info! It's not just reading Wikipedia, but then where to look for it?! *Haha, at the moment I submitted this comment, Chris said "Wikipedia" 😁
Just learning over time and general research. Fan sites dedicated to a specific game. Deep dive videos others have put together. Retro Gamer magazines, magazines of the time games were released etc etc
Hehe, i left windows about 2007 in my home use, my year of linux desktop happened back then :D. But daemn, since 2017 for some reason i have to use Windows at work and for Fortnite ;) For casual retro streaming, coding and home entertainment it is Linux all the way.
Running a 12V fan at 7V typically means you're using the +5V rail as a current sink, which is not what it's designed for. I know "lots of people do this and it's fine" and all, but that seems awfully questionable and could cause some PSUs to misbehave. Even if "it works" on your particular PSU, I would advocate for using an inline 7V or 9V buck regulator instead. And even if you decide to roll the dice, you've now offset the fan's voltage reference by +5V, which is not intrinsically a problem to the fan, and if you're JUST powering a 2-pin fan, then... well, fine. *BUT* .... it means you absolutely SHOULD NOT connect a 3-pin or 4-pin fan's tach and PWM signals to a motherboard where the voltage reference is 0V.
I tried Linux for 2 and a half month at the beginning of this year. I was OK, but I was always fixing something instead of playing games, so I went back to Windows 10. Next year, I'll be buying a 3 years extension on Windows 10 when it's available in order to keep getting security updates and after that.... well let's hope Valve released Steam OS for desktop PC.
Nice work guys, but I still miss Niel. There is something in the colour of his voice to make everything he do, sound professional. I don't know, it is just how I remeber all nature and science programs I watched as a child. Programs like Survival and that biology guy I forgot how it was called (there was statue of guy on a horse and word "anglia" in intro)
I have about every Spectrum model under the sun and never put a heatsink on any of these machines. I know they get hot, but then I rather play games on my Next as that won't get hot.
38k to make a book is absolutely ridiculous. Over £38 for a book. The profit margin is absolutely insane. Who is dumb enough to buy this? The printing cost will be about £12 an item. These premium books are nice but they are a total rip off. I guess it's targeted at people who have plenty of money though, collectors rather than people who emulate with one reason being a lack of money 😂 Even before all games became live service though and I did buy new games, I wouldn't have ever got something like this. It's just crazy. Not many people do too as I have picked up a couple for less than a fiver back when we used to have a GAME.
You aren't harmed by people freely choosing to do this with their own money so why the crazy rant? What's the real reason for you crying in public about something so trivial?
Extrapolating the profit margin based on the cost of printing is a bit silly, I think your £12 estimate for a hard back, A4 full colour book is naive, not to mention the time involved in researching, editing and gathering photos to put into the book
^ This. Hard-back books are expensive just in terms of material. But the content between the front and back cover wasn't just willed into existence, either. This arrogant and ill-informed attitude of "it shouldn't cost more than .... " is why we can't have nice things. It's why everything is cheap and awful now. We've scraped the bottom of the barrel on cost reduction to the point we're just coming back with splinters.
I got a few old Radeon cards and some Voodoo 3s I add fans to or upgrade them to 2 slot fans. Mots my older machines are just for games and I don't need the expansion slots for much.
Chris PLEASE PLEASE come back full time again.
Always nice to see Chris back
Good show Dave, Chris, and Duncan!
So great to see Chris, hope he will be back more!
RoseTintedSpectrum being a guest got me to watch again guys. 🎉 Thanks for the show 🎉
Chris, come back full time!
This guest was quite good! You should make him permanent :D Great to see Chris on again!
My view on C64 chips - at least the plastic cased MOS chips, is that they are thermally regulated by dissipating power through the legs of the chips into the PCB, which is itself a heat sink. Putting classic heat sinks on plastic chips seems almost pointless because plastic doesn't transfer heat very well. Bil Herd who created the C128 points this out. Hey Bil! I'd agree air flow would do a lot more for longevity
This channel needs Chris back. 😔😔😔
The adventure game was brilliantly mental. I seem to recall one of the characters was a plant lol
Can confirm that Kangaroos are suicidal. They like to wait on the side of the road, watching you approach, until you're just about to pass, then jump Infront of the car.👻
The dream team. Well 2/3rds of the dream team. Looking forward to Neil being back as well. I love all the guests on the show, but Chris is awesome 👍 really informative interesting show guys. 🙂 p.s. I just about remember the adventure game, im sure there was a plant that talked at the contestants in this show as well.
I've been following retro stuff on UA-cam for at least 10 years. I'm very upset I've never been recommend Kim's channel. Subbing now!
Oh my, you have a wealth of great videos to watch then!
thumbs up for chris
I grew up with the C64 and Amigas(500/1200) so naturally they're the greatest systems ever! 😁👍🏼
[Also i sold them long time ago to fund my PC addiction, so obviously, in my mind they're completely infallible😉]
I really enjoyed Halt and Catch Fire. It folds in a lot of US based tech industry events into a fictional company. Not a watch for factual history, it’s fiction that uses real events as inspiration. Kinda like a serious version of Silicon Valley.
Wish they had given a little more attention to the tech. It became a soap opera after a while, and in typical AMC fashion, it got to the point where few if any of the characters were even remotely likeable. But I still watched it until the end, just for the novelty of the subject matter.
It’s pouring with rain but I have a new episode. Thank you all!
Microsoft Paint is one of the few apps I miss from Windows, now that I daily drive a Mac. I know I'm not a typical user, but I still have the need to pixel-edit graphics. I was recently taking an old Amiga font and creating per-glyph image files for use in a C program I was writing. Paint was absolutely perfect for that kind of stuff. There's nothing in Mac OS that does that kind of thing -- it's all photo-centric.
CHRIS IS BACK EVERYBODY!!!!
Finally 😀 Happy weekend 😀
The new Paint didn't come with an interactive tutorial so I never learned it. 😢
Deer whistle already exist in the US. Sorry to burst your dreams of big fortune!
..aaaand in germany as well.
As a cyclist i've seen/heard them in action two times, and in both cases the deer stood in the middle of the road, looking at the car with an irritated ''WTF'' expression. My 10 cents are on ' bs ' !
We had the same for dear here in the USA. Mounted to the bumper they made a whistling noise. But they were audible to humans.
I think I started watching Kim Justice videos in 2017 or so.
Re: Longevity and attitudes -- Couldn't identify with this more strongly.
My PCs in the 90s and 2000s were mules. I would build them, often a bit sloppily, turn them on, and hardly ever turn them off. They would run 24/7, automatically redialing to the Internet in the modem days so I could reach it remotely. I often didn't even bother to put the case cover back on half the time, guts exposed for the world to see. I hauled them to LAN parties, and a few times in my carry-on luggage. I would drop a CD in an optical drive, hit Repeat on the Windows CD Player, and go to bed ... waking up the next morning (or afternoon...) with the same album still playing. Laser lifespan? Pfff... when it dies, I'll buy a faster drive.
My laptops were ever worse. I drove those things until the wheels fell off. When I retired a laptop for a new one, the battery was shot, the keyboard was worn down to the nubs and probably missing a key cap, the touchpad was polished smooth, the hinges were wobbly, and the case had dents in it. I cared for them, but I didn't baby them. I just used them. Alot. Everywhere.
Now, with all the stuff I've long since given or thrown away, I had to re-buy it all online. And the stuff I bought was often in better shape than what I had. (Although, the ones I originally owned would have had all their parts. All the IO shields and empty drive bay covers, driver CDs, dongles, etc.) I'm half scared to use it, because I don't want to use it up. I certainly won't be using a Pentium III with WinAmp to play my MP3 collection on shuffle-repeat at all times.
My 2018 Mac Mini, OTH .... may as well be the pilot light. It's never off unless the mains has failed. The only difference is, this time, it will eventually be retired from active service and become a treasured artifact too.
"Deer fear"?
Those plastic devices are already ubiquitous here in the US and are marketed as keeping deer away
I haven't put cooling on any of my C64s but I certainly have on my C128 and C16.
We always get this Mac vs PC laptop talk at work where all the marketing people say their Mac "is just better".
However they fail to realise they are comparing a £2000 macbook they've been given to the £450 POS the rest of the company has to use.
Regarding heatsinks. I think they became a requirement when chips were dying SOON after a machine was sold. Obviously thats not acceptable. But... of course that heat sink means the same chip will STILL die, but less SOON. And I think thats the point. C64, Atari 800 chips etc will all die, but excessive heat in them WILL make them die sooner. And I don't think its correct to think these chips run super cool. They do not (though some are up there) but they generate heat, and that heat causes expansion etc over time. So reducing heat swing will extend the life of all of these chips. And when a chip DOES fail, well, the heatsink is 100% re-usable on its replacement.
So I can't see the harm in popping a heatsink on a chip, especially as they become more rare and expensive to replace. A SID chip now is a more valuable item, so popping a copper heatsink on it makes sense. Maybe aluminiums sinks for the less important chips, like the CIA. And a fan in the case, if silent, well, its going to help cooling a lot eh?
For elks, we have Moo shoos. Well, not branded like that but they’re available.
They just need to add a background transparency option to pant.
I have always wondered where Kim found all the info! It's not just reading Wikipedia, but then where to look for it?!
*Haha, at the moment I submitted this comment, Chris said "Wikipedia" 😁
Just learning over time and general research. Fan sites dedicated to a specific game. Deep dive videos others have put together. Retro Gamer magazines, magazines of the time games were released etc etc
Kim is a legend
Airport security is just a makework project for otherwise unemployables. Sorry for your loss.
Have you never heard of Deer Whistles?
No retro game book is complete without a quote from Eugene Jarvis (I am ironic now)
Hehe, i left windows about 2007 in my home use, my year of linux desktop happened back then :D. But daemn, since 2017 for some reason i have to use Windows at work and for Fortnite ;) For casual retro streaming, coding and home entertainment it is Linux all the way.
Running a 12V fan at 7V typically means you're using the +5V rail as a current sink, which is not what it's designed for. I know "lots of people do this and it's fine" and all, but that seems awfully questionable and could cause some PSUs to misbehave. Even if "it works" on your particular PSU, I would advocate for using an inline 7V or 9V buck regulator instead.
And even if you decide to roll the dice, you've now offset the fan's voltage reference by +5V, which is not intrinsically a problem to the fan, and if you're JUST powering a 2-pin fan, then... well, fine. *BUT* .... it means you absolutely SHOULD NOT connect a 3-pin or 4-pin fan's tach and PWM signals to a motherboard where the voltage reference is 0V.
I tried Linux for 2 and a half month at the beginning of this year. I was OK, but I was always fixing something instead of playing games, so I went back to Windows 10. Next year, I'll be buying a 3 years extension on Windows 10 when it's available in order to keep getting security updates and after that.... well let's hope Valve released Steam OS for desktop PC.
Nice work guys, but I still miss Niel. There is something in the colour of his voice to make everything he do, sound professional. I don't know, it is just how I remeber all nature and science programs I watched as a child. Programs like Survival and that biology guy I forgot how it was called (there was statue of guy on a horse and word "anglia" in intro)
He will be back soon, don’t worry!
That guy looked familiar...
Erg presents? What did dave recommend re podcasts?
ARG Presents. One of the shows from Amigos Retro Gaming on YT.
Venison Vision? @Chris.
I have about every Spectrum model under the sun and never put a heatsink on any of these machines. I know they get hot, but then I rather play games on my Next as that won't get hot.
Kangaroos on golf courses? How can the afford the green fees?
Micro Men was good but you're just flat out wrong when it comes to Halt and Catch Fire.
That's totally fine - sometimes I just am not in the right mood for a show. It's hard to be truly objective! (Dave)
38k to make a book is absolutely ridiculous. Over £38 for a book. The profit margin is absolutely insane. Who is dumb enough to buy this? The printing cost will be about £12 an item.
These premium books are nice but they are a total rip off. I guess it's targeted at people who have plenty of money though, collectors rather than people who emulate with one reason being a lack of money 😂
Even before all games became live service though and I did buy new games, I wouldn't have ever got something like this. It's just crazy. Not many people do too as I have picked up a couple for less than a fiver back when we used to have a GAME.
You aren't harmed by people freely choosing to do this with their own money so why the crazy rant? What's the real reason for you crying in public about something so trivial?
Extrapolating the profit margin based on the cost of printing is a bit silly, I think your £12 estimate for a hard back, A4 full colour book is naive, not to mention the time involved in researching, editing and gathering photos to put into the book
^ This. Hard-back books are expensive just in terms of material. But the content between the front and back cover wasn't just willed into existence, either.
This arrogant and ill-informed attitude of "it shouldn't cost more than .... " is why we can't have nice things. It's why everything is cheap and awful now. We've scraped the bottom of the barrel on cost reduction to the point we're just coming back with splinters.
I got a few old Radeon cards and some Voodoo 3s I add fans to or upgrade them to 2 slot fans. Mots my older machines are just for games and I don't need the expansion slots for much.