I’ve always liked 154CM and S30V. I’ve had good look keeping them sharp simply using a ceramic rod and strop. I have a magnacut blade on order. I hope it’s similar.
Thanks so much, Erica, I love discussions of knife steel! My collection features a wide range of different steels, tending toward the more modern stuff. I follow Knife Steel Nerds and got a copy of Larrin Thomas's book, which is enlightening. My budget is very limited so it's hard for me to get into custom makers. But keep doing what you do and sharing your experiences! Thanks again!
I’ve been using a hand forged fixed blade in white #1 and it’s blown me away with the performance. Ground super thin and 63/64 for hardness and the dang thing won’t dull. Still shaving hair. All of that to say I’m with you sticking with custom makers and think that’s a great route to take for those seeking the highest performance!
Another reason I love the oz Rosie I’ve used there magnacut at 63/64 hrc for over a month every day and it’s still shaving sharp and cuts paper towels with a factory edge
I love my Spyderco Para 3 Lightweight supposedly with a BD1N blade. But what made me fall in love with it was when I began my hand sharpening and got the knife “holy-shit-sharp”. Someday I hope to know today’s knife metals like you know them. Nice video.
OUTSTANDING opinion, and experience! I own 4 very good knives. I feel like the ELMAX, and MAGNACUT are equal, but I have a knife in CPM3V, and it must be the steel, and great blade geometry because it stays sharp, and cuts for a long time! Good LUCK with your blades Ladies, and Gentlemen.
I get it with the lockback. My knife-in-pocket is the Stretch 2 in K390 and my keychain knife is the Ladybug also in K390. I wish that I could get a Stretch 2 in Magnacut and S90V. I'll re-examine S45V. One of your best vids, top notch. Thank you.
@@ericasedc The video that you made here is really something else. Beyond NK and MC. You went to the NSbz level. There must be, but I don't know of any one else at that place. Penetrating, deep, and somehow emotionally moving. You tapped a part of yourself that I have only seen with NS, although NK is nearby.
Sharpening K390 is pretty easy with DMT stones. I bought a Spyderco K390 Leaf jumper, like you had, back in September. The edge was not the greatest. Very uneven and wonky. I was able to reprofile, free hand on my DMT stones and it was a breeze. Very nice steel to work with
Its hard to pick a favorite stainless, but if i had to its s125v. There's a reason why its called the queen of stainless steels. Nothing I've used came close to it, except m398 but they feel different. S125v feels like it never gets dull. It'll lose its initial shaving sharpness, but then will remain in its working sharpness forever. M398 keeps an edge close enough (both are at 65hrc) but it dulls gradually. I really like Magnacut, s90v, elmax and Aeb-l when they have custom heat treatment for various reasons. But for edc use which is just cutting s125v is tough to beat. For non stainless i really like Vanadis 10, k390, Z-max, Cruwear and 3V. But Rex 121 rules above all when it comes to edge retention.
If CASE used VG 10 for their stainless steel instead of whatever it is, that would be a great upgrade. I can get a Chinese knife in VG 10 for around $15, so cost shouldn’t be an issue.
Rex45, K390 (and 10v), 4v and S90V top the list for me. I also do a lot of "dirty" cutting with abrasive junk and find these do the best, none of them are terrible to sharpen, which is why Maxamet won't make the list, the amount of effort and time to sharpen it isn't worth the extra 20% edge retention compared to k390.
I have an S45vn paramilitary 2. All black, paramilitary 2 all black in S30v and one in S110v paramilitary 2 in teal blue and satin all are rad. The S110v version is the sharpest knife I’ve ever owned.
Hello Erica. Thank you for your always intelligent thoughts. I'm in Switzerland, so I don't have easy access to the renowned cutlers you mentioned. To stay in industrial production, I can give you the example of EXTREMA RATIO which manufactures knives in N690Co steel of 58 HRC, so well worked, in particular perfectly tempered, which are really 🔝. The same goes for the GERBER StrongArm in 420HC steel: a must for many military operators. Personally I love the MagnaCut, the M390, the CPM-20CV, the S45VN, etc. who achieve winning results on several fronts. But I also defend the intrinsic value of more modest steels that are perfectly functional for a lower price or so well worked that they stand out victorious from the crowd.
I really miss my sodbuster jr. Yellow handles hollow ground 1095. I had it working at a convenience store 20 years ago and that thing chewed up cardboard boxes and begged for more. All geometry.
Thanks Erica this info is so helpful . I will be picking up k390 native that i was on the fence about. My opinion is Larin is suggesting rockwell for max toughness when sacrificing a little toughness is ok for better edge retention. Now get off my Mom cause I just got off yours !
Great conversation and good information. Can't wait to see what you have coming in to test. Thanks for sharing, Live Long Prosper and Collect Your Own Way!
Bohler Uddeholm Austria Yep ... I love K390 aswell it gets soo thing n sharp it sings went you touch the edge its has acoustics .. Cant wait to see this 888 matrix... yeah rex45 is amazing!!! I think I remember you saying yours is 8 or 9 thou now .. I thinned mine then microconvexed the edge . I love talking bout steel thanks for this one! Rex45 Delica be sick...
Always great to hear your thoughts on this! I'm planning to get a magnacut knife sometime this year, I really want to try that steel for hunting. Have a great night, E!
@@ericasedc OMG I do! Thanks again! Already loved those two models in Spy27... I guess it's true that practicing gratitude can help manifest abundance ☺
Loved the vid Erica. Agree that K390 is the shit - My family consists of a Stretch, Ladbug and SE Delica (the SE K390 is now discontinued I believe). Another one to throw out there is SPY27. I have a Para3 in this and it slices. Have been very impressed with SPY27. That Magnacut SCC is fricking sweeeeet.
Thanks Erica! 🍑🍑MAMA so happy!! I love the "super steels" and i do not care they take a bit longer to sharpen. My Magnacut scallion is holding up great, seems like kershaw (@ least on mine) went with a higher Rockwell C. I have the most experience with cpm440v (S60V) and wish that steel would have taken off. Hard use in 4 folders and never chipped, great edge retention and not to hard to sharpen.
Thanks very much for presenting your experience with modern blade steels for EDC use. I respect your opinions and value your advice. I only have one knife in cpmMagnaCut thus far, Spyderco Native 5 LW and so far it's performed extremely well; I really like it. 👍I'd like to get a knife in K390 someday, though. Anyway, take care and Cheers!
Bought a matching set large and small Sebenza 31 in magnacut with HRC at 63-64 and they are performing beautifully. Also got a Folklore and Mako from Creely Blades in magnacut also at 63. I definitely recommend all of these. Though I like S35VN better than S45VN.
I have a Esee Izula in s-35vn and I love this little knife I have costume scales and a costume Kydex sheath with a small tech-lock I use the hell out of it and real easy to bring back a good edge! Thanks for another good steal rant Erica keep it coming and you have a great day girl!🔪🔪⚔️🖐️
Hey Erica. You mention stropping a bunch and I’m currently looking for a do it all strop. I have everything 154cm on an older ZT to a new Spyderco Native 5 Salt in MagnaCut. Could you please do a video and or just recommend one to me? Thanks for all your content!
I laughed out loud when you said strop on some crusty belt… Thin and hard…..😂😂😂 Good video I’m really into just old school steals that I can sharpen. Thanks fam!
How do you feel about CPM M4? I’m currently carrying a Benchmade Bailout in M4. I’m teetering on the edge of buying Spyderco Shaman in 15V. I’ve had good luck with the bailout but I’m wanting to move on from the tanto style blade. Stuck trying to figure out what steel I should go to.
I LOVE M4! As long as it’s not burnt, crusty dog $hit😂 I have had some burnt M4 from Benchmade and it chipped like heck. But tested John’s M4 from BGM Knives and it was incredible!
"Sharpened prybar" is such a good descriptor for so many tasks I use knives for and sums up why I have a set of good knives and a set of cheapo beater knives haha ^^
I literally just went through my knife collection to catalog the different blade materials I own, 27 different blade materials... The only types of blades I've tested were my machetes, not going to go into that. But I'm anxious to get my hands on a good Magnacut knife as it's a steel I don't have yet. Any suggestions for a locking folder less than $200.00? Love your enthusiasm for the hobby. Keep it up and stay true. Thanks
I second that suggestion it looks like Spyderco is putting out new Salt knives in magnacut. They have a PM2 salt coming out soon and also a magnacut Manix2 lw in addition to the aforementioned native 5 lw in magnacut.
@@ericasedc why though? M4 , depending on hardness , may even have a little better toughness and edge retention. Also seems more readily available and cheaper. Granted on paper it looks like a toss up, just wondering why you prefer one to other. Perhaps Rex is more exclusive and rare
I'm waiting for the Microjimbo. It's initial release will be "only" in s30v but it is Spyderco's heat treat. I pre-ordered it. But I didn't pre-order it from REC and people got theirs REC while I am still waiting. . DOH.
I find it amusing that you have S45VN as a backup for Magnacut because of availability concerns, even though there are ever more makers using it, but you don't for K390. I have only seen Spyderco use it, primarily on the LW lockback knives. Could you provide some more background on the Bark River Magnacut concerns?
Really enjoying my hogue ritter in magnacut. Haven't had it tested but it's said to be between 61-63 hrc. While that's soft by your standards I've worked with it for a month and see virtually no damage on the edge compared to my cold steel s35vn and one of my benchmade 945's in s90v that I suspect had a poor heat treat. (Much harder, more crisp s90v on the custom 945 though. Haven't tested it thoroughly but I suspect it will do well. Order fresh.)
Doing a separate comment, i'm running mine as hard as it gets. About 65 hrc. Though i do kitchen knives. It really shouldnt be any issue as far as toughness. Magnacut really isnt that bad to grind compared to what I'm used to though, even at 65, but im doing a lot of work in the 66.5-69 hrc range, with steels that have a lot high mc type carbide volume.
Great video,, thank you very much,, I'm saving up for a small Inkosi, and wondering if the Magnacut is worth the extra cost over S45vn,?? I've just returned to your channel and subbed,, All the best from across the pond, 🤙
I have a theory about companies making soft steel. By making a softer “tough” steel they are reducing the risk of the edge chipping or the blade straight up breaking. If a knife dulls fast it is easier for them to point to misuse or normal wear. But if an edge chips or a blade breaks that looks less like a customers fault. I think it’s a holdover from older times when steels were less modern and people used their knives more so excessive sharpening was normal. With todays modern steels and peoples changing demands from their knives some companies are just slow or unable to adapt. I will give Spyderco a pass because they have always been performance based with their knives, there is a reason they are ugly 😂🤣😂🤣.
Absolutely, look at Esee knives and their warranty of no questions asked lifetime warranty transferable. Most production knives are under hardened while smaller custom makers maximize hardness for performance. I don't know for sure but imagine all the production companies offering 3V are probably max 60Rc.Benchmade,Cold Steel etc. It makes financial sense at every level, more durable, easier to manufacture, fewer images of broken blades on the internet.
Ok…. Another odd one I have if the steel can be hardened more with the new steels and increase performance… would a hollow grind not be better long term for overall slicey characteristics due to the thinness behind the edge and how long it will retain that but the steels provide better edge stability so a flat grind is not as critical for blade integrity?
I'm a bit sad, tbh. Bought a Taggedout in MagnaCut and I think Benchmade keeps the HRC relatively low--60 to 62 I think? It's a fine knife, yet from your comments I think that it may not be the finest representation of that steel. Please excuse me, as I go and shed some tears now 😢
I love rex 45 and k390. I want to really try BBB's 15v. I have not played with magnacut, but it sounds cool, I do like m390/20cv and 110v as far as stainless steels.. I wonder why it is that these "combat knives" use this like 1095 or 5160 spring steel and then they harden it to 56-58?? I understand that they want the blade to be "bullet proof" and never break, but it's crazy. With the steels and tech out there, I agree with you, it's sickening what is being done. I think they know they have a loyal customer base and those people are not into super steels. What are some forums you recommend to see some of the discussions about super steels and custom heat treats and stuff like that? I follow the spyderco reddit forum and some of the spyderco forums, etc.
@ericasedc I hear Spyderco have been moving away from S35vn towards S30v. Due them thinking there is very little difference with there heat treat. If this is the case, and I trust that you actually test, is this true and is it founded?
@@ericasedc I don’t remember who it was. A few days ago I watched a YT vid and he said that Spyderco had said they tested the steels and never seen a difference between s30v and s35vn with their heat treat. I’ve only heard it that one place though.
Just found your channel through this video, i just started a channel so its definitely frustrating that the algorithm hasnt brought me to you yet lol i like your content and you're definitely right, great commute to work video! 🤘
I have a few magnacut from different makers. The spyderco seems better than the bradford but I haven't spent enough time with the bark river to see where it falls. After having used magnacut I still like cru-wear better, it's just not stainless.
HI Erica, this is Mike "Alpha 1" clone. I'm responding as the copy that I was cloned from OEM Mike had his cranium blown as you predicted. He is unavailable at this time. I (A1) carried a MSI in my right pocket today. Good summery review of the knife steels that you tested. I believe that a proper heat treatment / tempering oven gives custom makers a lot more control over the knife / steel combination that they have chosen. Take care and I believe that OEM Mike will be commenting in the future after his recovery!
Well most of the time when you go with custom made anything it’s all most always better. Custom cabinets in your home, custom cars, custom homes the list goes on. Custom manufactures have the ability to push limits and make exactly what you want versus going and getting some thing that’s mass produced for general sales. The big knife companies might be lagging on pushing higher hardness levels vs custom makers based because a custom maker ruins a knife during heat treatment it not as big as of lose when compared to a big manufacturer losing a batch where they have hundreds of blades being heat treated. Just my point of view having worked both in custom manufacturing, and in mass production manufacturing. Ok now for my favorite chunk of metal to have a blade made from is CPM 154 cm and that’s probably because I just love and use the knife so much that has that blade. The knife is not best slicer hell it’s probably not the best at any one task but it’s just plain useful and fits my hand so perfectly I don’t use any of my other fancy knives 😂.My DPx gear HEST/F Urban with the CPM 154 cm is just a solid performer. I agree with you 100% though about using your stuff because if you don’t like using it no matter what it’s made out of you won’t use it at all.
"I like your mom to be thicc" 😂 Go in, Erica!! Love the video, from the personalized levity to the data-driven rankings. Im definitely looking forward to seeing what people have to say about hrc +62. In Our knife making, thats been a tough sell. But appreciate you putting it out there, and again, taking the time to cover these solid steels.
I do not have THE favourite steel. If I put them in tiers, it’s like: (Just those I own or do have experience with.) S-Tier: Magnacut, Cruwear, Vanax A-Tier: K390, M390/20CV, M398, 4V, 3V, SPY27, REX45, S35VN, CTS-XHP, ZDP-189, S110V, S90V, LC200N, Elmax, S45VN B-Tier: S30V, 154CM, CPM154, 14C28N, NitroV, CPM D2, O1, AR-RP M9 C-Tier: D2, K110, N690, VG-10, 9Cr18MoV, 440C, 440B, AUS10, AUS8, 8Cr14MoV, 12C27, Superblue, T10, XC90, MA5 D-Tier: 440A, 7Cr17, 420HC, Victorinox Inox 1.4110, 5Cr15… Would love to try ApexUltra, CoS3, PM60, BG42, CowryX, AEB-L, Nitrobe77 and Vanadis variations.
I don't recall larrin ever posting articles saying magnacut would be all around best at 60-61. Maybe he said to hogue it will be fine at that hardness. But he showed catra testing. And charpy toughness testing that was what you would expect. It cut more catra media the harder it was, and the toughness dropped the harder it got. Though at the top of its range its still at a very acceptable toughness (65ish hrc) I'll add this edit, since i thought about it. I recall him saying that knife companies were afraid to go above 60-62, and him saying in his own way that they didnt know what they were talking about, and stuck in old ways of thinking about knife steel (basically ignoring that the toughness should be fine at 63-64). And they were wanting to temper higher against his recommendations.
So he posted a video talking about Magnacut’s heat treat. At the 15:50 mark he goes to say 61 is probably the aimed HRC recommended for production companies. He was talking about Peter’s heat treat at this time. He goes on to say 61-62 is recommended for production knives- although he is unsure how many people will follow that protocol. At other points in the video- he does mention that custom makers should utilize the ability to bring it to 63/64 HRC and that will NOT compromise toughness at all really- given you do it correctly/given correct geometry. Hope this helps give context to my video.
@@ericasedc yeah. Makes sense. Knowing what he showed in his articles, and at least from what i have seen from larrin, i think i would personally interpret from when he said that, is that him knowing how the old school guys, and companies think, it was more letting them know 61-62 is going to be fine, in context of them trying to go 60 or even lower . I'm sure he would fully support them going harder. Into that range he mentions for custom makers. Though i obviously shouldnt speak for him.
With regards to toughness, I do agree generally. But even given how hard you make a point of being on your knives, perhaps not all customers know how to handle their knives? Maybe customer service has had some guy trying to return a lil slicy boi that he tried to use to pry open a jammed car hood, and is mad that 'you said this was super steel, what do you MEAN it can't support the weight of 30-50 feral hogs???'
Sorry. 3rd comment😂. That matrix steel from bohler definitely wont blow k390, 10v, or any similar high vanadium cold work tool steel out of the water. That stuff is going to have fairly low wear resistance, but high toughness. Its going to basically be like z-tuff or 1v. S690, is something interesting that very well will have quite high wear resistance, as well as vanadis 60, but vanadis 60 is pretty hard to find.
Ive been a life long cheap knife user, but now im ordering a spyderco in s45vn just to see whats up. Also what is up with so many people talking about cutting cardboard? Like do people really have jobs where they have to cut cardboard all day, and does said job pay enough to justify spending 200 bucks on a knife to use at work? And what is up with folks saying that wood isn't abrasive? I do greenwood carving as a side hustle and in my experience wood definitely dulls a knife 🤷
I work in retail and unload trucks. Before I got into knives I used a cheap box cutter from work then I bought a fancy boxcutter that I broke cutting cardboard from a cardboard bailer. Then I got a leatherman wave from a pawn shop. Today I have a knife collection of about 6 Spydercos and have lost or given away other knives. I don't need such good cutters in good steels to break down the pallets and cut the cardboard and plastic but it's more enjoyable than a boxcutter.
If someone put a pistol to my head and said pick one, it wouldn't really be that hard it would be AEBL at 61-62. If I could add a 2nd it would be 52100 at 61-63. I have come to a point where I really just dont care for high alloy steels but I also can not stand soft steel.
My theory with HRC is, that you (normally) can't measure it at home and it's not a visible difference, so some lazy companies just hype the steel and keep the numbers in the fine print... 😠
Running low HRC (56-58 like you mentioned) on 1095 cro-van is fucking wild to me. Like, it’s specifically designed to be run at higher HRC’s that’s the whole point. I feel like companies are partially to blame for being lazy and not changing with the times, but the community is also to blame for being ignorant of how metallurgy and heat treatment work. If people were more educated, we’d better be able to hold these companies accountable.
It’s tough when everything from production companies is so top secret and hush hush. Because we CAN’T educate ourselves. Hell, even if we read up (like the Knife Nerds book from Larrin), sometimes there’s differing experiences like with Magnacut. You know? I totally hear you. I just think custom makers will be the ones that are more transparent and motivated to help their customer base LEARN about what they’re doing!
@@ericasedc I 100% agree, I’ve learned more about steel from talking to custom makers and just using the steel itself than I have from any info a production company has ever put out. I love Knife Steel Nerds and Larrin but there is definitely a difference between how things perform in a controlled lab environment vs how they are to work with as a knife maker and how they perform for an end user.
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I’ve always liked 154CM and S30V. I’ve had good look keeping them sharp simply using a ceramic rod and strop. I have a magnacut blade on order. I hope it’s similar.
Awesome! I hope you love it. ❤😊
Thanks so much, Erica, I love discussions of knife steel! My collection features a wide range of different steels, tending toward the more modern stuff. I follow Knife Steel Nerds and got a copy of Larrin Thomas's book, which is enlightening. My budget is very limited so it's hard for me to get into custom makers. But keep doing what you do and sharing your experiences! Thanks again!
@@franka9760 thanks so much for the kind words!
I’ve been using a hand forged fixed blade in white #1 and it’s blown me away with the performance. Ground super thin and 63/64 for hardness and the dang thing won’t dull. Still shaving hair. All of that to say I’m with you sticking with custom makers and think that’s a great route to take for those seeking the highest performance!
Cheers to that!🎉
I love your old farm videos. They had a cool rural vibe to them
I’ll get back into that stuff some day!!!
Another reason I love the oz Rosie I’ve used there magnacut at 63/64 hrc for over a month every day and it’s still shaving sharp and cuts paper towels with a factory edge
I love hearing that!!!!
Thanks for all you do. Your wisdom is unsurpassed, and you're kind enough to pass it on.😊 Spot on.
Thank you!
I love my Spyderco Para 3 Lightweight supposedly with a BD1N blade. But what made me fall in love with it was when I began my hand sharpening and got the knife “holy-shit-sharp”. Someday I hope to know today’s knife metals like you know them. Nice video.
You will get there! Cheers!🎉
I love my Para 3, I use it almost every day and I take great care of it.
OUTSTANDING opinion, and experience! I own 4 very good knives. I feel like the ELMAX, and MAGNACUT are equal, but I have a knife in CPM3V, and it must be the steel, and great blade geometry because it stays sharp, and cuts for a long time! Good LUCK with your blades Ladies, and Gentlemen.
Love it!❤🎉
I get it with the lockback. My knife-in-pocket is the Stretch 2 in K390 and my keychain knife is the Ladybug also in K390. I wish that I could get a Stretch 2 in Magnacut and S90V. I'll re-examine S45V. One of your best vids, top notch. Thank you.
Woohoo!!!
K390 Stretch 2 in my picket. K390 Ladybug also in my pocket. And, K390 Police 4 in my kitchen :)
S45VN PM2 will serve you very well
@@ericasedc The video that you made here is really something else. Beyond NK and MC. You went to the NSbz level. There must be, but I don't know of any one else at that place. Penetrating, deep, and somehow emotionally moving. You tapped a part of yourself that I have only seen with NS, although NK is nearby.
@@robertbarnum7541 wow thank you!!!
Terra knives makes great magnacut knives at 64 hrc. I was blown away by the difference when compared to the first batch magnacut deka.
I have heard great things about those!
Sharpening K390 is pretty easy with DMT stones. I bought a Spyderco K390 Leaf jumper, like you had, back in September. The edge was not the greatest. Very uneven and wonky. I was able to reprofile, free hand on my DMT stones and it was a breeze. Very nice steel to work with
Even though my edge came wonky as well this leafjumper with k390 is an absolutely incredible experience! I cant get it out of my pocket
It’s so fun!
I feel the same about M4. I have a beautiful edge on my M4 Delica. Not to hard to sharpen on diamonds either.
Its hard to pick a favorite stainless, but if i had to its s125v. There's a reason why its called the queen of stainless steels. Nothing I've used came close to it, except m398 but they feel different. S125v feels like it never gets dull. It'll lose its initial shaving sharpness, but then will remain in its working sharpness forever. M398 keeps an edge close enough (both are at 65hrc) but it dulls gradually. I really like Magnacut, s90v, elmax and Aeb-l when they have custom heat treatment for various reasons. But for edc use which is just cutting s125v is tough to beat.
For non stainless i really like Vanadis 10, k390, Z-max, Cruwear and 3V. But Rex 121 rules above all when it comes to edge retention.
Thanks for joining in!
If CASE used VG 10 for their stainless steel instead of whatever it is, that would be a great upgrade. I can get a Chinese knife in VG 10 for around $15, so cost shouldn’t be an issue.
Right
Rex45, K390 (and 10v), 4v and S90V top the list for me. I also do a lot of "dirty" cutting with abrasive junk and find these do the best, none of them are terrible to sharpen, which is why Maxamet won't make the list, the amount of effort and time to sharpen it isn't worth the extra 20% edge retention compared to k390.
I hear ya🎉
I bought a Buck 110 in 1982, that knife is still going strong !
That is so cool!🎉
Probably because it was made before 1982 😂 jk but definitely quality is tanking everywhere.
I have an S45vn paramilitary 2. All black, paramilitary 2 all black in S30v and one in S110v paramilitary 2 in teal blue and satin all are rad. The S110v version is the sharpest knife I’ve ever owned.
Woohoo!🎉
My pm2 in cpm 15 v ,, k390 ,, and s30 v are all sharp as f**k out of the box ,,, Spyderco is what I own the most ,, and they are all Awesome 😊
because of one of your videos I acquired three spyderco backlock made in Japan two in K390 one in ZDP the ones in k390 are lasers
Yesssss
later i added the fixde blade one k390 spyderco , thanks Erica
Got my first Rex 45 yesterday, a Manix2 lw since I couldn't get one in magnacut.
Still an incredible choice. You’ll love it!!!!
Hello Erica.
Thank you for your always intelligent thoughts.
I'm in Switzerland, so I don't have easy access to the renowned cutlers you mentioned.
To stay in industrial production, I can give you the example of EXTREMA RATIO which manufactures knives in N690Co steel of 58 HRC, so well worked, in particular perfectly tempered, which are really 🔝.
The same goes for the GERBER StrongArm in 420HC steel: a must for many military operators.
Personally I love the MagnaCut, the M390, the CPM-20CV, the S45VN, etc. who achieve winning results on several fronts.
But I also defend the intrinsic value of more modest steels that are perfectly functional for a lower price or so well worked that they stand out victorious from the crowd.
Thanks so much for watching!!!
Totally agree. It's hard to say better. It's hard to be more relevant on the topic. Really appreciate. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for watching!
@@ericasedc It's my pleasure.
I really miss my sodbuster jr. Yellow handles hollow ground 1095. I had it working at a convenience store 20 years ago and that thing chewed up cardboard boxes and begged for more. All geometry.
Heck yes🎉🎉🎉
They still make that model, I just bought one and it cuts like a laser.
Thanks Erica this info is so helpful . I will be picking up k390 native that i was on the fence about. My opinion is Larin is suggesting rockwell for max toughness when sacrificing a little toughness is ok for better edge retention. Now get off my Mom cause I just got off yours !
Bahahahaha love the mom jokes!
Great conversation and good information. Can't wait to see what you have coming in to test. Thanks for sharing, Live Long Prosper and Collect Your Own Way!
Cheers!
Cruwear is my jam. It’s the steel I have the most of. I love M4, 4V, LC200N, CTSXHP, and S45VN. Next I’ll try Magnacut.
Awesome choices!
Bohler Uddeholm Austria Yep ... I love K390 aswell it gets soo thing n sharp it sings went you touch the edge its has acoustics .. Cant wait to see this 888 matrix... yeah rex45 is amazing!!! I think I remember you saying yours is 8 or 9 thou now .. I thinned mine then microconvexed the edge . I love talking bout steel thanks for this one! Rex45 Delica be sick...
Thanks for always tuning in D!
That little Esee is kinda cool! Love seeing the Delica come out in different steels.
Yes!!!
Always great to hear your thoughts on this! I'm planning to get a magnacut knife sometime this year, I really want to try that steel for hunting. Have a great night, E!
I think you will be pleased! You as well!
Thanks, very usefull! I trust your experiance. Ordered a Para 3 in s45vn and a Native 5 in magnacut
@@bboyshr6 I hope you love them!
@@ericasedc OMG I do! Thanks again! Already loved those two models in Spy27... I guess it's true that practicing gratitude can help manifest abundance ☺
Loved the vid Erica. Agree that K390 is the shit - My family consists of a Stretch, Ladbug and SE Delica (the SE K390 is now discontinued I believe). Another one to throw out there is SPY27. I have a Para3 in this and it slices. Have been very impressed with SPY27. That Magnacut SCC is fricking sweeeeet.
I love SPY27 for an entry level stainless! It’s pretty neat!
Thanks Erica! 🍑🍑MAMA so happy!! I love the "super steels" and i do not care they take a bit longer to sharpen. My Magnacut scallion is holding up great, seems like kershaw (@ least on mine) went with a higher Rockwell C. I have the most experience with cpm440v (S60V) and wish that steel would have taken off. Hard use in 4 folders and never chipped, great edge retention and not to hard to sharpen.
Wooohoo!🎉🎉🎉
Thanks very much for presenting your experience with modern blade steels for EDC use. I respect your opinions and value your advice. I only have one knife in cpmMagnaCut thus far, Spyderco Native 5 LW and so far it's performed extremely well; I really like it. 👍I'd like to get a knife in K390 someday, though. Anyway, take care and Cheers!
Thanks for watching ST. I appreciate you!
Bought a matching set large and small Sebenza 31 in magnacut with HRC at 63-64 and they are performing beautifully. Also got a Folklore and Mako from Creely Blades in magnacut also at 63. I definitely recommend all of these. Though I like S35VN better than S45VN.
Nice!
“ Your mom thick” 😂 Nice riff.
Thanks for the steel input
Anytime!
Hi Erica, great Info. My favorite steels are still K390 and M4.
I LOVE M4!
I have a Esee Izula in s-35vn and I love this little knife I have costume scales and a costume Kydex sheath with a small tech-lock I use the hell out of it and real easy to bring back a good edge! Thanks for another good steal rant Erica keep it coming and you have a great day girl!🔪🔪⚔️🖐️
I love that for you! Enjoy your day my friend!
CruWear is a great all around steel. Also love k390,cpm20cv MagnaCut, good ol s30v. ✌🏼
From my experience Cruwear takes the best edge of any of the higher alloy tool steels. It is just a dream to sharpen.
Awesome choices!
Not a lot of videos on this. I'm liking your channel so far. I would buy an EDC organizer from you some day.
@@renjun6843 thanks so much for the encouragement and support!
Yes, all the way with Spyderco. You can definitely get addicted to the Mule Team drops. Check out the tricked-out ceramic coming.
Yes those are sick🎉
I use S35VN. Is 45 better? I have used S90VN, but misplaced the knife quickly so I can't really say the higher number is better. S30 is great too!
I enjoy 45 better yes!
Hey Erica. You mention stropping a bunch and I’m currently looking for a do it all strop. I have everything 154cm on an older ZT to a new Spyderco Native 5 Salt in MagnaCut. Could you please do a video and or just recommend one to me? Thanks for all your content!
I have a ton of videos on this. Check them out under my “Sharpening” playlist! Current favorite is my strop from Richter Knives. ❤
I laughed out loud when you said strop on some crusty belt…
Thin and hard…..😂😂😂
Good video I’m really into just old school steals that I can sharpen.
Thanks fam!
I totally have a place in my heart for those too!❤ thanks so much for watching😂😊
How do you feel about CPM M4? I’m currently carrying a Benchmade Bailout in M4. I’m teetering on the edge of buying Spyderco Shaman in 15V. I’ve had good luck with the bailout but I’m wanting to move on from the tanto style blade. Stuck trying to figure out what steel I should go to.
I LOVE M4! As long as it’s not burnt, crusty dog $hit😂 I have had some burnt M4 from Benchmade and it chipped like heck. But tested John’s M4 from BGM Knives and it was incredible!
"Sharpened prybar" is such a good descriptor for so many tasks I use knives for and sums up why I have a set of good knives and a set of cheapo beater knives haha ^^
Same here!!!
Looks like they’re going for high toughness with K888. It’s similar in composition to CPM-1V.
I’m soooo stoked about it! I need to somehow get my dirty paws on that one🤣
I literally just went through my knife collection to catalog the different blade materials I own, 27 different blade materials... The only types of blades I've tested were my machetes, not going to go into that. But I'm anxious to get my hands on a good Magnacut knife as it's a steel I don't have yet. Any suggestions for a locking folder less than $200.00? Love your enthusiasm for the hobby. Keep it up and stay true. Thanks
Spyderco Native 5 LW in Magnacut!!! Thanks so much for your support!
I second that suggestion it looks like Spyderco is putting out new Salt knives in magnacut.
They have a PM2 salt coming out soon and also a magnacut Manix2 lw in addition to the aforementioned native 5 lw in magnacut.
Knowledge is key... I love learning
I do as well!🎉
Thanks for a great vid! What do you think about companies not disclosing the HRC?
I think it’s sus😂
Thoughts on Rex45 vs CPM M4?
Have native and shaman in M4 as it was more available at the time. Can be hard to find Rex45 spydercos
I like 45 better. ❤
@@ericasedc why though? M4 , depending on hardness , may even have a little better toughness and edge retention. Also seems more readily available and cheaper.
Granted on paper it looks like a toss up, just wondering why you prefer one to other. Perhaps Rex is more exclusive and rare
@@badmpg REX has better toughness and front end sharpness from my experience
I'm waiting for the Microjimbo.
It's initial release will be "only" in s30v but it is Spyderco's heat treat.
I pre-ordered it.
But I didn't pre-order it from REC and people got theirs REC while I am still waiting. . DOH.
That lil guy looks awesome!
Another great video! Thanks for the educational info!
Thanks for watching!❤
I find it amusing that you have S45VN as a backup for Magnacut because of availability concerns, even though there are ever more makers using it, but you don't for K390. I have only seen Spyderco use it, primarily on the LW lockback knives.
Could you provide some more background on the Bark River Magnacut concerns?
Really enjoying my hogue ritter in magnacut. Haven't had it tested but it's said to be between 61-63 hrc. While that's soft by your standards I've worked with it for a month and see virtually no damage on the edge compared to my cold steel s35vn and one of my benchmade 945's in s90v that I suspect had a poor heat treat. (Much harder, more crisp s90v on the custom 945 though. Haven't tested it thoroughly but I suspect it will do well. Order fresh.)
Doing a separate comment, i'm running mine as hard as it gets. About 65 hrc. Though i do kitchen knives. It really shouldnt be any issue as far as toughness.
Magnacut really isnt that bad to grind compared to what I'm used to though, even at 65, but im doing a lot of work in the 66.5-69 hrc range, with steels that have a lot high mc type carbide volume.
Nice!
How about M4? I have a benchmade super freek. Love it🙂
Yes it can be great!
Sidenote, check that new Kershaw in magnacut, someone called it a bug out killer
Not a fan of Kershaw!
Hello Erica 👋😃
What controversy is there about the Bark River MagnaCut ?
What about White River ?


Look it up❤ No comment on WR!
Great video,, thank you very much,, I'm saving up for a small Inkosi, and wondering if the Magnacut is worth the extra cost over S45vn,??
I've just returned to your channel and subbed,,
All the best from across the pond, 🤙
@@John..18 it’s worth it if you use your knives(:
I favor corrosion resistance.
My top 5 favorite steels are lc200n, magnacut, 20cv, s110v, and spy27.
Great choices!
Lots of information and knowledge.
Thanks🎉
I have a theory about companies making soft steel. By making a softer “tough” steel they are reducing the risk of the edge chipping or the blade straight up breaking. If a knife dulls fast it is easier for them to point to misuse or normal wear. But if an edge chips or a blade breaks that looks less like a customers fault. I think it’s a holdover from older times when steels were less modern and people used their knives more so excessive sharpening was normal. With todays modern steels and peoples changing demands from their knives some companies are just slow or unable to adapt. I will give Spyderco a pass because they have always been performance based with their knives, there is a reason they are ugly 😂🤣😂🤣.
Oh absolutely brother!!!!!
Case cv steel is an example of this
@@coyote4936 YES🤣🥰
They run them soft because it’s cheaper to produce. Easier to grind, easier to finish, less abrasives are used.
Absolutely, look at Esee knives and their warranty of no questions asked lifetime warranty transferable.
Most production knives are under hardened while smaller custom makers maximize hardness for performance. I don't know for sure but imagine all the production companies offering 3V are probably max 60Rc.Benchmade,Cold Steel etc.
It makes financial sense at every level, more durable, easier to manufacture, fewer images of broken blades on the internet.
Ok…. Another odd one I have if the steel can be hardened more with the new steels and increase performance… would a hollow grind not be better long term for overall slicey characteristics due to the thinness behind the edge and how long it will retain that but the steels provide better edge stability so a flat grind is not as critical for blade integrity?
I have had great luck with double hollow, hollow, and full flat. Thanks for watching!❤
Love your channel, excellent Knowledge of steel!
Thanks so much- that means a lot to me!
I’m curious on your opinion on White River and LT Wright….
Watch my videos on LT Wright to find out! ❤
You are a very unique person. A female who geeks out on all things knives, including using them.
@@donnymac575 thank you!
I'm a bit sad, tbh. Bought a Taggedout in MagnaCut and I think Benchmade keeps the HRC relatively low--60 to 62 I think? It's a fine knife, yet from your comments I think that it may not be the finest representation of that steel. Please excuse me, as I go and shed some tears now 😢
Get some custom stuff!
@@ericasedc Will try, hopefully while avoiding international shipping as I'm from Germany 🫣
I love rex 45 and k390. I want to really try BBB's 15v. I have not played with magnacut, but it sounds cool, I do like m390/20cv and 110v as far as stainless steels..
I wonder why it is that these "combat knives" use this like 1095 or 5160 spring steel and then they harden it to 56-58?? I understand that they want the blade to be "bullet proof" and never break, but it's crazy. With the steels and tech out there, I agree with you, it's sickening what is being done. I think they know they have a loyal customer base and those people are not into super steels.
What are some forums you recommend to see some of the discussions about super steels and custom heat treats and stuff like that? I follow the spyderco reddit forum and some of the spyderco forums, etc.
I don’t follow any forums so I actually have no clue. I’m sorry!❤
For me I still like s30v but I have a k390 delica and it's extremely sharp and I was using my s110v para 3 until I messed up the tip on my lanksy
Awh man!
@ericasedc I hear Spyderco have been moving away from S35vn towards S30v. Due them thinking there is very little difference with there heat treat.
If this is the case, and I trust that you actually test, is this true and is it founded?
I honestly thought they were incorporating their SPY27 more than either of those. And I love SPY!
@@ericasedc Yeah, I get that. But in the s30-s35 range?
@@davew5583 what do you mean
@@ericasedc I don’t remember who it was. A few days ago I watched a YT vid and he said that Spyderco had said they tested the steels and never seen a difference between s30v and s35vn with their heat treat.
I’ve only heard it that one place though.
Just found your channel through this video, i just started a channel so its definitely frustrating that the algorithm hasnt brought me to you yet lol i like your content and you're definitely right, great commute to work video! 🤘
Welcome!!!!
Chris reeves Magnacut is the best I’ve came across so far as far as performance. It’s probably the best overall steel I’ve ever used
It’s VERY good. ❤
I have a few magnacut from different makers. The spyderco seems better than the bradford but I haven't spent enough time with the bark river to see where it falls. After having used magnacut I still like cru-wear better, it's just not stainless.
I hear ya!
What is the Esee knife you showed? The sharpened pry bar one?
CR2.5
@@ericasedc Thanks, I need that for EDC perfect for what I'm looking for.
HI Erica, this is Mike "Alpha 1" clone. I'm responding as the copy that I was cloned from OEM Mike had his cranium blown as you predicted.
He is unavailable at this time. I (A1) carried a MSI in my right pocket today. Good summery review of the knife steels that you tested. I believe that a proper heat treatment / tempering oven gives custom makers a lot more control over the knife / steel combination that they have chosen. Take care and I believe that OEM Mike will be commenting in the future after his recovery!
🤣🤣🤣all my love to you MIKE!🥰
Well most of the time when you go with custom made anything it’s all most always better. Custom cabinets in your home, custom cars, custom homes the list goes on. Custom manufactures have the ability to push limits and make exactly what you want versus going and getting some thing that’s mass produced for general sales. The big knife companies might be lagging on pushing higher hardness levels vs custom makers based because a custom maker ruins a knife during heat treatment it not as big as of lose when compared to a big manufacturer losing a batch where they have hundreds of blades being heat treated. Just my point of view having worked both in custom manufacturing, and in mass production manufacturing. Ok now for my favorite chunk of metal to have a blade made from is CPM 154 cm and that’s probably because I just love and use the knife so much that has that blade. The knife is not best slicer hell it’s probably not the best at any one task but it’s just plain useful and fits my hand so perfectly I don’t use any of my other fancy knives 😂.My DPx gear HEST/F Urban with the CPM 154 cm is just a solid performer. I agree with you 100% though about using your stuff because if you don’t like using it no matter what it’s made out of you won’t use it at all.
Cheers! Thanks for joining into the convo!
"I like your mom to be thicc" 😂 Go in, Erica!!
Love the video, from the personalized levity to the data-driven rankings. Im definitely looking forward to seeing what people have to say about hrc +62. In Our knife making, thats been a tough sell. But appreciate you putting it out there, and again, taking the time to cover these solid steels.
Thanks so much!!!❤
ERICA have you ever did a summersault on a trampoline? It’s surprisingly fun oh and bark river is also releasing new folders kinda interesting
Heck yes I have!!! And I saw!
Got a PM2 in S45VN with the Spyde edge. Great video!
@@CamboTriton yay!!!
You should look into ZDP-189.
I have!🥰
Pm2 s45n is far outlasting my kershaw link 20cv. It’s far too real how much heat treat matters.
Yes🎉
I do not have THE favourite steel. If I put them in tiers, it’s like: (Just those I own or do have experience with.)
S-Tier: Magnacut, Cruwear, Vanax
A-Tier: K390, M390/20CV, M398, 4V, 3V, SPY27, REX45, S35VN, CTS-XHP, ZDP-189, S110V, S90V, LC200N, Elmax, S45VN
B-Tier: S30V, 154CM, CPM154, 14C28N, NitroV, CPM D2, O1, AR-RP M9
C-Tier: D2, K110, N690, VG-10, 9Cr18MoV, 440C, 440B, AUS10, AUS8, 8Cr14MoV, 12C27, Superblue, T10, XC90, MA5
D-Tier: 440A, 7Cr17, 420HC, Victorinox Inox 1.4110, 5Cr15…
Would love to try ApexUltra, CoS3, PM60, BG42, CowryX, AEB-L, Nitrobe77 and Vanadis variations.
Wow!
What are your thoughts on cpm Cru wear
LOVE IT
Cruwear all day every day!
Have you tested SPY 27?
Yes. It’s great!
I don't recall larrin ever posting articles saying magnacut would be all around best at 60-61. Maybe he said to hogue it will be fine at that hardness. But he showed catra testing. And charpy toughness testing that was what you would expect.
It cut more catra media the harder it was, and the toughness dropped the harder it got. Though at the top of its range its still at a very acceptable toughness (65ish hrc)
I'll add this edit, since i thought about it. I recall him saying that knife companies were afraid to go above 60-62, and him saying in his own way that they didnt know what they were talking about, and stuck in old ways of thinking about knife steel (basically ignoring that the toughness should be fine at 63-64). And they were wanting to temper higher against his recommendations.
So he posted a video talking about Magnacut’s heat treat. At the 15:50 mark he goes to say 61 is probably the aimed HRC recommended for production companies. He was talking about Peter’s heat treat at this time. He goes on to say 61-62 is recommended for production knives- although he is unsure how many people will follow that protocol. At other points in the video- he does mention that custom makers should utilize the ability to bring it to 63/64 HRC and that will NOT compromise toughness at all really- given you do it correctly/given correct geometry. Hope this helps give context to my video.
@@ericasedc yeah. Makes sense.
Knowing what he showed in his articles, and at least from what i have seen from larrin, i think i would personally interpret from when he said that, is that him knowing how the old school guys, and companies think, it was more letting them know 61-62 is going to be fine, in context of them trying to go 60 or even lower . I'm sure he would fully support them going harder. Into that range he mentions for custom makers.
Though i obviously shouldnt speak for him.
@@_BLANK_BLANK I totally get that!
What controversy does bark River have with magna cut I haven't heard nothing
Look it up!🥰
With regards to toughness, I do agree generally. But even given how hard you make a point of being on your knives, perhaps not all customers know how to handle their knives? Maybe customer service has had some guy trying to return a lil slicy boi that he tried to use to pry open a jammed car hood, and is mad that 'you said this was super steel, what do you MEAN it can't support the weight of 30-50 feral hogs???'
Sorry. 3rd comment😂.
That matrix steel from bohler definitely wont blow k390, 10v, or any similar high vanadium cold work tool steel out of the water. That stuff is going to have fairly low wear resistance, but high toughness.
Its going to basically be like z-tuff or 1v.
S690, is something interesting that very well will have quite high wear resistance, as well as vanadis 60, but vanadis 60 is pretty hard to find.
Yes. I have heard. I think the person I was talking to about the K888M was a little.. over zealous with the excitement. 😂❤
Love my women thick and soft, and knives thin and hard 😂 love the vid as always! Good stuff
Twins!!!!!😂🎉
What bgm model did you go with and why?
This is an old video- not sure what I said in it! Haha
I have a Bokker ak 74 they are D2 it dosnt hold an edge as well but I've never had one rust and they are strong
Nice!!!
well for best steel performance and best ht you should get a blade from kknives switzerland
I wish!!!
@@ericasedc its worth it i have some of his knives
Ive been a life long cheap knife user, but now im ordering a spyderco in s45vn just to see whats up. Also what is up with so many people talking about cutting cardboard? Like do people really have jobs where they have to cut cardboard all day, and does said job pay enough to justify spending 200 bucks on a knife to use at work? And what is up with folks saying that wood isn't abrasive? I do greenwood carving as a side hustle and in my experience wood definitely dulls a knife 🤷
I don’t know what the cardboard craze is. It’s just what people want to know about😂❤
@@ericasedc oh! 🤣🤣🤣
I work in retail and unload trucks.
Before I got into knives I used a cheap box cutter from work then I bought a fancy boxcutter that I broke cutting cardboard from a cardboard bailer.
Then I got a leatherman wave from a pawn shop.
Today I have a knife collection of about 6 Spydercos and have lost or given away other knives.
I don't need such good cutters in good steels to break down the pallets and cut the cardboard and plastic but it's more enjoyable than a boxcutter.
@@wills.8662 agreed!
If someone put a pistol to my head and said pick one, it wouldn't really be that hard it would be AEBL at 61-62. If I could add a 2nd it would be 52100 at 61-63. I have come to a point where I really just dont care for high alloy steels but I also can not stand soft steel.
Thanks for sharing!
@@ericasedc Erica when you say toughness are you talking edge stability or lateral breakage?
My theory with HRC is, that you (normally) can't measure it at home and it's not a visible difference, so some lazy companies just hype the steel and keep the numbers in the fine print... 😠
Mhm!
Liking that Calari fixed more each day. Love hearing your testing results. 👌🏻🫶🏻
Get oneeee🎉
Running low HRC (56-58 like you mentioned) on 1095 cro-van is fucking wild to me. Like, it’s specifically designed to be run at higher HRC’s that’s the whole point.
I feel like companies are partially to blame for being lazy and not changing with the times, but the community is also to blame for being ignorant of how metallurgy and heat treatment work. If people were more educated, we’d better be able to hold these companies accountable.
It’s tough when everything from production companies is so top secret and hush hush. Because we CAN’T educate ourselves. Hell, even if we read up (like the Knife Nerds book from Larrin), sometimes there’s differing experiences like with Magnacut. You know? I totally hear you. I just think custom makers will be the ones that are more transparent and motivated to help their customer base LEARN about what they’re doing!
@@ericasedc I 100% agree, I’ve learned more about steel from talking to custom makers and just using the steel itself than I have from any info a production company has ever put out. I love Knife Steel Nerds and Larrin but there is definitely a difference between how things perform in a controlled lab environment vs how they are to work with as a knife maker and how they perform for an end user.
@@justified_edc YES. This!!!!!!
@@ericasedc If some in the knife community test the hrc, that tells the tale on whether the heat treat was good.
My case cv medium stockman is 56 to 58 hrc. It is old style
Yep🎉
My new favorite is my usa made Kershaw Blur in magnacut.
What do you think about spy 27?
It’s great! I tested and reviewed it already on the channel- should be under my reviews play list!
Magnacut is definitely heat treat dependent.
Magnacut is all you really need for EDC. It’s perfect
It’s really great! Definitely fun to play around with other options if you have the chance. But I think it’s an awesome EDC Steel!
@@ericasedcI really like S90v, M4, cruwear. Hell I like them all😂
Question for you? Does supersteel Steve have a website? I wanna buy a knife of his!
@@optimuscrime608 he has an Instagram contact him there!
No contradictions, just questions…
How about 15v?
Haven’t used it❤