The fact that Kuma showed some signs of his old self in the fight against Saturn may be why Lilith thinks there is a way to bring Kuma back. Anyway Kuma is going to need some serious therapy if he comes back after spending all that time as a Celestial Dragon slave and sword sheath.
@@booksandtropesSince Kuma can pop his memories out he could use it as a weapon. You hear a long scream and then crying as his opponent mumbles "It all happened,..."
If they really bring back kuma (no big fan) they should do it fully... And Bonny has ALL his memories so it might be possible 😏 I am kinda fine with that... What I dont like is this second Stella being a thing now... I had prefered that Lilith is the new OG vegapunk 🫤
I believe this is how jinbie introduced himself when joining the crew before the raid on onigashima, that's where luffy learned how to speak like that.
My best guess for whoever was with Evil Shanks (we need a name for him...) is that it looked a lot like Stussy? Could there be more than one? But there's not much to go on lmao
I dont think Vegapunk will be back to the self of his that died in egghead. I also think because there’s a set up with it taking time that we just dont end up with a vegapunk like he never left, so much of the story is about inherited will but lillith cant do that if she’s trying to rebuild stella
2:06 one more thing is that shanks crew always refer to their captain as " okashira " which is a way of saying captain in the yakuza / mafia, so it could be related to that
I think Shanks might be the clone and to go even further, just like an "experiment", he contracted a sickness from the Celestial Dragon. A sickness Roger "took"...
Personal take on to why, you must no squander in Elbaf, firstly remember how much they drank during their trip to Elbaf, they got so drunk that most pased out and didnt even remember what happen. what that means, that probably they are gonna be partying for weeks or even month or more, sharing stories about their travel through the world, reaching Elbaf is not only a feat of strenght but also of a capable explorer and other extra things, so either the tripulation that reach Elbaf spent most it time partying and sharing stories among the giants, and that can probably take from days to even years probably, when you meet being that live about 5 time as much than Humans, you probably just get caugh up into sharing and partying until you realize you have been drunk for months.
I write off the whole Vegapunk clone thing because Vegapunk is a weird scenario in general. This isn't like Pell or Saul or Kinemon, Vegapunk is just a really weird situation with him being split into multiple people and his brain being outside his body...I just kinda shrug at this lol.
Now I want to go through the whole manga to see if there was any other ''Not Shanks'' appearance that was unnoticed, aside from the one of the reverie which was probably the most noticeable.
Luffy knows he is the most free in gear 5 because it lets him jump-rope a freaking dragon, or make pancake out of a giant spider. If he ever found himself wanting to do that.
Btw reading Panini's twitter post about Fenrir's two wolf sons (one chases the Sun, the other the Moon - I highly recommend this thread) I noticed that on the final page of chapter 1121 we see, apart from the four Yonko, also two groups of four characters. And if a silhouette is indeed Shanks' brother, so we have three good characters and one bad character on the right side, and on the right side to show symmetry we should have three good characters and one bad. The bad one would be ofc Garling, which means that Kuzan is still a good character😊 I really want to believe the words Kuzan told Smoker, that it's still him❤
This chapter really reinforced to me that Loki might not be a bad guy, given the comment about him being kind despite his harsh language, but the comments on king Herald actually reminded me of the story of king Agis IV of Sparta: according to the sources we have, he was a revolutionnary king who wanted to do a lot of reforms such as land redistribution and the abolition of debts. Long story short, while the citizens were behind him, the oligarchs of the city didn't appreciate what he wanted to do, and he ended being tried and executed because of that (skipping a lot of details but it's a pretty interesting story to read more about). So the fact that king Herald was also a popular revolutionnary king among his people who wanted to bring reforms and changes to Elbaph society, while clashing with the old guard of the country leads me to believe that actually they were the ones who killed him since they didn't want to see those changes, however given his popular status, they decided that Loki was a convenient scapegoat since he was probably already not well appreciated in Elbaph
Harold becoming a ''peace-lover'' seems so odd. So odd in-fact that I believe that he was either coerced, manipulated or even secretly replaced by the World Government. A peaceful nation who do trade instead of war and how Giants are changing themselves seems nice on the surface, but it is clearly a ploy to weaken the Giants and take control of Elbaph by the World Government. I bet Loki found out, and killed either his real manipulated father, or a person imitating him, which was a huge crime for the now peace indoctrinated Giants.
Here are my theories about this current chapter 1 I have speculated that one of the gods knights who happened to be female would be based of the Amazonian empress Penthesilea who was one of the female 9 worthies characters who embody knightly aspects such as chivalry and that Penthesilea is known to carry a giant silver axe and judging from the bandaged woman's fringe I believe she could be the dead empress Tritoma brought back from the dead via black magic. 2 the bandaged woman was the model for Lilith body of Vegapunk 3 I'm willing to bet that the bandaged woman got burn from Fisher Tiger's freeing of the slaves 4 I think the magnification of the books comes from Wolf's DF effecting the environment 5 I'm hoping the owl is Laffite's eyes & ears on Elbaf having communed with it because of the DF 6 I think the Holy Knights had a hand in King Herald/Harold's passing 7 the woman could be a relative of Sanji from his maternal side of the family as she in my eyes looked like Sora 8 the bandaged woman could be a reference to the yokai the slit-mouthed woman
THEORIES: What if King Harold was in bed with the government (maybe connected to or through Mother Carmel) and was actively trying to neuter the potency of Elbaph's fighting forces, and when Loki caught him in traitorous conversation he killed his father for the good of the country so in the future they wouldn't be invaded by the WG and just be the Imax version of Ohara? TWIN-Twin theory: Twin1 : Shanks is the second-born Figarland son and a twin, so while Garling preserved and raised his first born uninterrupted, he offered up Shanks as a prize for the God Valley hunt. He was projected to be the winner anyway, so he was confident he would be able to keep his bloodline pure and recover his spare heir without trouble...unless I dunno pirates appear and the chests are left plundered or not left at all, just missing like his kid. He's told to cut his losses, and so he does. Meanwhile... Twin 2: The mysterious companion to the Shanks twin is...Bonny's twin sister. It's not known if Ginny was allowed to have a natural birth, so if she had a C-Section they could have easily removed a secret twin and kept the twin separate. If that happened in any way shape or form, that child MAY have also gained the abilities of the same Age Age fruit that Bonny unlocked access to...But undoubtedly she would have also inherited the Sapphire Scale. Saturn wouldn't want Vegapunk to leak to Kuma that Ginny had a second child, or that Bonny had a sister since that would drive Kuma even harder to find and save her too, so she never gets the treatment and she has lived in the shadows raised as a holy knight and pet experiment to the world's highest authorities. Her eyes are exactly the same as her cured twin sister and her long deceased mother, down to the eyelashes.
I wonder if Luffy would try to give fake Shanks the straw hat back when he saw him or if Luffy would look at him ask who the old guy is since he isn't anyone Luffy has met before?
I’m suddenly so invested in whether or not Luffy would mistake him for Shanks or realize it’s not him Considering he confused Kaku for Usopp I’m assuming he’d think it was shanks But maybe he’d sense something was wrong with his haki hmmmm
Ok so this is my theory. Metal Gear spoilers ahead. Garling is Big Boss Shanks is his clone Naked Garling Shonks is the other clone Liquid Garling At this point I believe this since clones exist already and even Vegapunk has one. It's the only thing that makes sense to me without compromising Shanks too much. Garling was cloned.
@@wastingtime2380 ginney was a revolutionary So possibly this clone could be sent to infiltrate/disrupt the revs Simply having her face could make it hard for many of the revs to fight People loved her (Ivankov at marineford had a hard time facing kuma) And maybe ginney was of a special race they probably wanted it for themselves
Shanks brother will be bonney father, oda draw bonney as a male exactly looks like shanks. We are going to get more development for bonney,this also helps to understand shanks' brother character.
You know, it doesn't make sense to me why the real Shanks would even come to Elbaph without his crew knowing. Like seriously, does Benn Beckman or Lucky Roo know all about what their captain is doing? We know that Shanks grew up on Rogers crew and i don't understand why would Shanks flip and just become like an evil person. Shanks idolizes Roger and there is no way Shanks will change his mind. He will be a pirate This has to be his twin brother or should i say, i hate to say this but a Shanks clone. Because we have Stussy, the first successful clone and what if this Shanks clone is the second one? I feel like i prefer the Shanks having a brother plot because that makes more sense. And i just feel like we need a good backstory for Shanks. If we just get Shanks meeting Luffy or fighting Blackbeard and that is all we can get from him, it will be disappointing. We need some good storyline for Shanks and i really like that Shanks family/relatives are getting involve in the story
I guess this kills any theories of Bonney/Lilith for Strawhats in the future put to rest Lilith making clones of Vegapunk sure is gonna sit well with readers, who's to say people that have died can't be clones anymore lol 👀👀 They're making Loki be this sort of rough around the edges type of person who still has a good heart and he's so in love with her 😭 Seeing the God Knights on Elbaph wasn't on my bingo card maybe they're the antagonist of this arc and not Loki like some thought The theories of Shanks having a twin might be true welcome Spanks/Gildarts The artwork in this chapter was beautiful
I think Lilith has to stay to work on the lab, but Bonney could go with the straw hats and when Kuma is better she could tell him stories of her adventures with Nika :)
Look at the picture of "Shanks" talking to the elders. Both show the right side of the face and no scar. Stabs was Figarlands favorite and he got rid of Shanks by putting him in a chest on God Valley
Luffy try to act like jimbe, when jimbe joined crew in wano
I knew that pose seemed familiar 😂 Luffy is adorable.
The idea that the girl is also a Figerland is gonna be so interesting of true
my guest is this is either Shank's twin or a clone.
it was implied a few chapters ago that the athmosphere of egghead is modeled after elbaf, thats why the flying shoes also work here
I just want Eustass Kidd to crawl back from the sea, just to be destroyed by shanks evil twin brother.. twice the arms, twice the fun.
😂😂😂
Darkkkk💀
The fact that Kuma showed some signs of his old self in the fight against Saturn may be why Lilith thinks there is a way to bring Kuma back. Anyway Kuma is going to need some serious therapy if he comes back after spending all that time as a Celestial Dragon slave and sword sheath.
maybe we don't bring back all his memories, take away some of the trauma...
@@booksandtropesSince Kuma can pop his memories out he could use it as a weapon. You hear a long scream and then crying as his opponent mumbles "It all happened,..."
If they really bring back kuma (no big fan) they should do it fully...
And Bonny has ALL his memories so it might be possible 😏
I am kinda fine with that...
What I dont like is this second Stella being a thing now... I had prefered that Lilith is the new OG vegapunk 🫤
I believe this is how jinbie introduced himself when joining the crew before the raid on onigashima, that's where luffy learned how to speak like that.
!! NEW FORM OF DENDENMUSHI DISCOVERED !!
It's him! 😂 Pranks aka Stanks is coming!😂
My best guess for whoever was with Evil Shanks (we need a name for him...) is that it looked a lot like Stussy? Could there be more than one? But there's not much to go on lmao
I thought of Ginny tbh...😅
I think Luffy really remembers Makino's teachings
I dont think Vegapunk will be back to the self of his that died in egghead. I also think because there’s a set up with it taking time that we just dont end up with a vegapunk like he never left, so much of the story is about inherited will but lillith cant do that if she’s trying to rebuild stella
2:06 one more thing is that shanks crew always refer to their captain as " okashira " which is a way of saying captain in the yakuza / mafia, so it could be related to that
I think Shanks might be the clone and to go even further, just like an "experiment", he contracted a sickness from the Celestial Dragon. A sickness Roger "took"...
Personal take on to why, you must no squander in Elbaf, firstly remember how much they drank during their trip to Elbaf, they got so drunk that most pased out and didnt even remember what happen. what that means, that probably they are gonna be partying for weeks or even month or more, sharing stories about their travel through the world, reaching Elbaf is not only a feat of strenght but also of a capable explorer and other extra things, so either the tripulation that reach Elbaf spent most it time partying and sharing stories among the giants, and that can probably take from days to even years probably, when you meet being that live about 5 time as much than Humans, you probably just get caugh up into sharing and partying until you realize you have been drunk for months.
Kuma whole point is he over come death so you can't say he was dead but more broken .
I write off the whole Vegapunk clone thing because Vegapunk is a weird scenario in general. This isn't like Pell or Saul or Kinemon, Vegapunk is just a really weird situation with him being split into multiple people and his brain being outside his body...I just kinda shrug at this lol.
She is Lami, Law sister, she is hiding her burn scar, she ate Blood Blood fruit, Harley Quinn of One Piece Universe
Saul gonna die by the end of the arc
What if that girl with shanks brother is shanks half sister.We know celestial dragons have many wifes .
Shanks evil twin Stabs is here!!!
Oda mentioned one time why he hesitates to kill certain characters because he wants a lot of characters to be part of a huge feast or something.
Now I want to go through the whole manga to see if there was any other ''Not Shanks'' appearance that was unnoticed, aside from the one of the reverie which was probably the most noticeable.
Luffy knows he is the most free in gear 5 because it lets him jump-rope a freaking dragon, or make pancake out of a giant spider. If he ever found himself wanting to do that.
Btw reading Panini's twitter post about Fenrir's two wolf sons (one chases the Sun, the other the Moon - I highly recommend this thread) I noticed that on the final page of chapter 1121 we see, apart from the four Yonko, also two groups of four characters. And if a silhouette is indeed Shanks' brother, so we have three good characters and one bad character on the right side, and on the right side to show symmetry we should have three good characters and one bad. The bad one would be ofc Garling, which means that Kuzan is still a good character😊 I really want to believe the words Kuzan told Smoker, that it's still him❤
Aww, I love that Lilith is gonna try to fix Kuma so that Bonney can be happy :)
Here's hoping no one messes that up
they deserve a happy ending :)
I bet Luffy picked his yukuza talk from Hyogoro
This chapter really reinforced to me that Loki might not be a bad guy, given the comment about him being kind despite his harsh language, but the comments on king Herald actually reminded me of the story of king Agis IV of Sparta: according to the sources we have, he was a revolutionnary king who wanted to do a lot of reforms such as land redistribution and the abolition of debts. Long story short, while the citizens were behind him, the oligarchs of the city didn't appreciate what he wanted to do, and he ended being tried and executed because of that (skipping a lot of details but it's a pretty interesting story to read more about). So the fact that king Herald was also a popular revolutionnary king among his people who wanted to bring reforms and changes to Elbaph society, while clashing with the old guard of the country leads me to believe that actually they were the ones who killed him since they didn't want to see those changes, however given his popular status, they decided that Loki was a convenient scapegoat since he was probably already not well appreciated in Elbaph
I was flabbergasted i could not believe it bhanks is real 🙌🔥
Harold becoming a ''peace-lover'' seems so odd. So odd in-fact that I believe that he was either coerced, manipulated or even secretly replaced by the World Government. A peaceful nation who do trade instead of war and how Giants are changing themselves seems nice on the surface, but it is clearly a ploy to weaken the Giants and take control of Elbaph by the World Government.
I bet Loki found out, and killed either his real manipulated father, or a person imitating him, which was a huge crime for the now peace indoctrinated Giants.
What is a Twin, but a natural clone?
fair point :)
Banger...
Could Ripley be a nod to the theory that Enel will be coming back soon from his outer space trip to the moon with his alien minions?
I’ll take that explanation :)
11:50 Sentomaru. It was to Sentomaru, in egghead.
It was Bonny right at the beginning of the arc when they landed on egghead
@@naviro6672 oh, yeah. her too
Dope content
2:28 i feel that Luffys talking like ekomamushi
Here are my theories about this current chapter
1 I have speculated that one of the gods knights who happened to be female would be based of the Amazonian empress Penthesilea who was one of the female 9 worthies characters who embody knightly aspects such as chivalry and that Penthesilea is known to carry a giant silver axe and judging from the bandaged woman's fringe I believe she could be the dead empress Tritoma brought back from the dead via black magic.
2 the bandaged woman was the model for Lilith body of Vegapunk
3 I'm willing to bet that the bandaged woman got burn from Fisher Tiger's freeing of the slaves
4 I think the magnification of the books comes from Wolf's DF effecting the environment
5 I'm hoping the owl is Laffite's eyes & ears on Elbaf having communed with it because of the DF
6 I think the Holy Knights had a hand in King Herald/Harold's passing
7 the woman could be a relative of Sanji from his maternal side of the family as she in my eyes looked like Sora
8 the bandaged woman could be a reference to the yokai the slit-mouthed woman
THEORIES: What if King Harold was in bed with the government (maybe connected to or through Mother Carmel) and was actively trying to neuter the potency of Elbaph's fighting forces, and when Loki caught him in traitorous conversation he killed his father for the good of the country so in the future they wouldn't be invaded by the WG and just be the Imax version of Ohara?
TWIN-Twin theory:
Twin1 : Shanks is the second-born Figarland son and a twin, so while Garling preserved and raised his first born uninterrupted, he offered up Shanks as a prize for the God Valley hunt. He was projected to be the winner anyway, so he was confident he would be able to keep his bloodline pure and recover his spare heir without trouble...unless I dunno pirates appear and the chests are left plundered or not left at all, just missing like his kid. He's told to cut his losses, and so he does. Meanwhile...
Twin 2: The mysterious companion to the Shanks twin is...Bonny's twin sister. It's not known if Ginny was allowed to have a natural birth, so if she had a C-Section they could have easily removed a secret twin and kept the twin separate. If that happened in any way shape or form, that child MAY have also gained the abilities of the same Age Age fruit that Bonny unlocked access to...But undoubtedly she would have also inherited the Sapphire Scale. Saturn wouldn't want Vegapunk to leak to Kuma that Ginny had a second child, or that Bonny had a sister since that would drive Kuma even harder to find and save her too, so she never gets the treatment and she has lived in the shadows raised as a holy knight and pet experiment to the world's highest authorities. Her eyes are exactly the same as her cured twin sister and her long deceased mother, down to the eyelashes.
Big question what about the devil Fruit of vegapunk. Does the clone still have the powers or is he just a normal human .
Until it's proven otherwise... the wrapped person is Shanks's hot sister #Agenda
I hope so :)
I wonder if Luffy would try to give fake Shanks the straw hat back when he saw him or if Luffy would look at him ask who the old guy is since he isn't anyone Luffy has met before?
I’m suddenly so invested in whether or not Luffy would mistake him for Shanks or realize it’s not him
Considering he confused Kaku for Usopp I’m assuming he’d think it was shanks
But maybe he’d sense something was wrong with his haki hmmmm
11:45 Bonney!!!
Ok so this is my theory. Metal Gear spoilers ahead.
Garling is Big Boss
Shanks is his clone Naked Garling
Shonks is the other clone Liquid Garling
At this point I believe this since clones exist already and even Vegapunk has one. It's the only thing that makes sense to me without compromising Shanks too much. Garling was cloned.
I thought she looked familier its probably a Clone of ginney
Wich will piss me off leavs kuma and his family alone
What would be the point on cloning ginney?
@@wastingtime2380 ginney was a revolutionary
So possibly this clone could be sent to infiltrate/disrupt the revs
Simply having her face could make it hard for many of the revs to fight
People loved her
(Ivankov at marineford had a hard time facing kuma)
And maybe ginney was of a special race they probably wanted it for themselves
Were everyone cried
Ups wrong chapter jaja thought was the previous one
Last page are maybe a younger vesion of the elders? or Imu face reveal? 😅
i wish it was Shanks we know it would be much more interesting but i think it is clone or maybe evil twin trope will see great chapter
I was all for evil Shanks near the beginning of the series but at this point I feel it's unlikely
I like the idea of a evil twin :)
Shanks brother will be bonney father, oda draw bonney as a male exactly looks like shanks. We are going to get more development for bonney,this also helps to understand shanks' brother character.
we'll that's traumatizing in a different way
@@booksandtropeswe are going to see
Bonneys father vs Bonney's dad
@@maskiljohn2210 oh love that!!!!! Yes! I’m all for this idea :)
You know, it doesn't make sense to me why the real Shanks would even come to Elbaph without his crew knowing. Like seriously, does Benn Beckman or Lucky Roo know all about what their captain is doing? We know that Shanks grew up on Rogers crew and i don't understand why would Shanks flip and just become like an evil person. Shanks idolizes Roger and there is no way Shanks will change his mind. He will be a pirate
This has to be his twin brother or should i say, i hate to say this but a Shanks clone. Because we have Stussy, the first successful clone and what if this Shanks clone is the second one?
I feel like i prefer the Shanks having a brother plot because that makes more sense. And i just feel like we need a good backstory for Shanks. If we just get Shanks meeting Luffy or fighting Blackbeard and that is all we can get from him, it will be disappointing. We need some good storyline for Shanks and i really like that Shanks family/relatives are getting involve in the story
I guess this kills any theories of Bonney/Lilith for Strawhats in the future put to rest
Lilith making clones of Vegapunk sure is gonna sit well with readers, who's to say people that have died can't be clones anymore lol 👀👀
They're making Loki be this sort of rough around the edges type of person who still has a good heart and he's so in love with her 😭
Seeing the God Knights on Elbaph wasn't on my bingo card maybe they're the antagonist of this arc and not Loki like some thought
The theories of Shanks having a twin might be true welcome Spanks/Gildarts
The artwork in this chapter was beautiful
I think Lilith has to stay to work on the lab,
but Bonney could go with the straw hats and when Kuma is better she could tell him stories of her adventures with Nika :)
Look at the picture of "Shanks" talking to the elders. Both show the right side of the face and no scar. Stabs was Figarlands favorite and he got rid of Shanks by putting him in a chest on God Valley
Stabs is the joke name the community has used for years lol