People have been trying to teach me this for more than half a century. Thanks to having heard it all before, your clear and well-diagrammed presentation has put me over the top. It helps than my life now includes several drives per year through these regions, between Cincinnati and Vermont, sometimes by way of Ottawa. Your arrows and circles have ignited a connected sentiment within me.
I agree with you. The data presented is accessible and should be easily understood. I'm Native American, which is a term that's a complete change from the way I was taught by my American Indian grandparents. Aside from being taught to call myself a Cherokee American, which is the only other way I was taught as a kid when my grandparents taught me our language and culture. It might be interesting to know that we American Indians represent the minority who enlist in the U.S. military at the highest rate per capita. My Cherokee grandfather was a USN gunner's mate serving in the Pacific Theater during World War II and I served in the USAF beginning just after high school. In my family, it's traditional to serve in the U.S. military and I am proud to have served, as was my grandfather. Great observations about an educational presentation that was entertaining as well. Blessings to you and yours.
My best friend is Seneca from western New York. His dad was a truck driver and they moved to Ohio when I was twelve. They all had a very dark sense of humor and I immediately bonded with them. I’m half Hispanic but they said I could pass for a “Indian” and they kind of adopted me. I spent as much time with them as I could, going back to the Rez with them every summer. Their elders told me that the mounds were already here when their ancestors arrived and were built by giants. In ancient times their ancestors warred with remnants of these giants and pushed them further west. This was long before I had heard of giant bones being found in the mounds of Ohio, West Virginia and Indiana. I took it with a grain of salt back then, early eighties, but now I believe what they told me. Why do we not listen to the actual natives when they tell us their history. What do these so-called academics really know?
Thanks so much for your diligent research . We love our Native American history in Ohio . I used to find Arrowheads behind our home in Stow - near the Portage County line .
3 of my ancestors fought at the battle of Upper Sandusky (1782). All 3 were Washington co. Pa. militia. All 3 survived the battle. I have been to the grave of one. John Jamison, Leet's company. Pa. archives has a copy of his signature where he was drawing a wartime pension. He died in 1811.
13:41 - I'm glad to finally find a source that tells me how they referred to themselves. I'd long suspected that "Erie" wasn't the whole story... now I can say at least a bit more than that, thank you. (And that's not to mention lots of other stuff presented here...)
Fantastic presentation. My family owns property in parkman along the Grand river that case western college excavated in the 20s saying that there was a buried ground there. I have always been interested in what group was there. My great great grandfather told stories of the last of them being forced out when he was young except for one lonely man in a 1 room cabin
It's hard for me to say, but it would likely have been one of the more recent ones- either the Whittlesey Culture, or the Erie. They were fighting over land back and forth in the years leading up to the Beaver Wars, when both were destroyed. Whittlesey would have buried everyone 4 ft deep in neat rows, with all the dead facing either east or west & probably originally marked each grave with a spirit house, but these were almost entirely made of wood & would have rotted away by the time settlers arrived. Erie had an Iroquoian style burial ground, which was very different- bones buried in neat little bundles with grave goods & gifts &, I think, in much more disarray.
Also, when was that last Native man around in Parkman? There was a group of Ottawa in Trumbull County until sometime around the War of 1812. I was wondering where they ended up. Since the Ottawa were so far removed from the collective hunting grounds set aside by the Wyandot in northeast Ohio, they were actually allowed by the other tribes to maintain villages in Ashtabula County & were evicted by the military in the 1790s, just before whites began moving in, but according to the local history in Trumbull County, they were pretty much just wandering around between Newton Falls & Mespo for several decades & never actually left.
@@4thgates34Thanks for the input. The last time we have a written record was around 1811-1812, so we are clearly missing something. Yeah, I've been researching it more & was kind of shocked that there were dedicated Native villages in Portage & Geauga Counties until around 1811- not just those Ottawa, but also Senecas & possibly some Wyandot. The way the early history of Trumbull County was taught to me in school made me think there was just Wyandot living much further off who were just travelling here now & again from west of Cleveland. They never really teach for the whole county, either- just whatever Township you happen to live in, so you miss things. Like, they were often camping on the outskirts of Warren, but Warren history never brings them up, only Champion history does. Sad thing is, the best explanation I can come up with for where they went if they didn't intermarry themselves away with whites is that they moved to southern Ohio & tried to join the cult Tecumseh's brother, the Prophet, made. Perhaps this one guy stayed behind to look after things & they all assumed they would come back one day, but they got caught up in the Shawnee War & never returned, so the man died alone? If I remember correctly, didn't Geauga County divide off some Indian land in their early days, on the outskirts of Parkman? I swear ai heard about that once, somewhere, but I can't find any info of it online.
We know quite a bit about the the post 17th century ingenious peoples of the area. Thanks to the Beaver Wars we can't really know who lived in the area prior, except through archaeology.
We know the names of four tribes, between early explorers who got up to the edge of Ohio & the French up in Canada- Erie, Miami, Mascouten & Mosopelea- albeit admitting the Mosopelea requires assuming that the Shawnee were always here is bull. The Miami are actually interesting, because they were here before, were chased off during the Beaver Wars, then came & took some of their original land back after.
@@MrChristianDT Thanks, good info! I'm looking for tribes downstate in Indiana and western Ohio. Aware of Miami (Wea and Piankashaw) included, and the Potowatami who all were exiled to Wisconsin and moved back. If anyone has info and source I'm interested.
@@charlietallman9583You'll probably like this Canadian study on an old French map of the Great Lakes from the 1630s, then. ontarioarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/oa051-02_steckley.pdf
Actually, not very many at all & the ones who moved here were from the Virginia groups, who had already completely lost their culture a while ago, but they did say their ancestors came from Ohio not that long ago. I'm just of a mind that they were the Mound Builders in northern Ohio that the Iroquois say the Erie chased out. The three mounds up here that were labeled Hopewell & excavated in the 70s happen to bear a striking resemblance to theirs in Virginia, just a little more complex in design. Also, that would put the Monongahela Culture right next door to them, who lived in the same style of dwelling as the Saponi did.
Early pioneers of archeology were "scientists" that were horrified at the prospect of giant human bones giving credence to the book of Genesis in the Christian Bible, so they disposed of the evidence wherever they found them so that only their "scientific" findings would be fact not some religious dogma they despised.
Did that Lenape Reservation at Wabash last beyond when the Lenape were removed from the state? I know that was done experimentally, around 1809, or something & it went so poorly, they never did it again until the Indian Removals, excepting the forced eviction of most of the Shawnee over the Shawnee War.
I believe the Lenape moved a bit earlier than that, as they were already between the Potomac & Monongahela Rivers when whites first began moving into Virginia & their territory ran up to the Mahoning River & southwest, into Ohio, until that issue in the 1760s forced them to give up all their eastern land.
Wow! Amazing amount of information. How is it we waited so long to see this or was it there all along? When I see pictures drawn or painted of the 1800s all or most Indians have already lost their way! Look at their cloths (uniforms) and relationships. Their clothing was made of new world materials and often styled after or included aspects of New World fashion. Mixed clothing with mixed minds. Welcome to the Industrial revolution. I contend that this revolution (brain fart) caused a sickness of greed that brought destruction and death to all sides of humanity and even more to wildlife. It (1800s) is truly a time of tears where people all (except atheist's, maybe) espoused some form of God and ALL took part in destruction and rape of what was provided! Guilt is in all families. Can we learn from it. Maybe!
Why dont they bring up how large the adena and hopewell cultures were. Some skeletons found were 7ft tall up to 9ft tall. some articles even say some were taller! Why arent any of us taught that in school or anywhere? Do the research and you will find the proof of this.
The ones who they call Indian today did come from Asia the aboriginals which they Ignore on this video never needed a boat to come as were already here.
Sad we Natives can not tell the Truth because we are always silenced. We came here on Ships as bible describes from the East. There was no land bridge. All across these lands We Natives have in ancient Hebrew writings and teachings of everything we have done. Please gentiles stop misleading people with lies about True Hebrews and Israelites.
People have been trying to teach me this for more than half a century. Thanks to having heard it all before, your clear and well-diagrammed presentation has put me over the top. It helps than my life now includes several drives per year through these regions, between Cincinnati and Vermont, sometimes by way of Ottawa. Your arrows and circles have ignited a connected sentiment within me.
I agree with you. The data presented is accessible and should be easily understood.
I'm Native American, which is a term that's a complete change from the way I was taught by my American Indian grandparents.
Aside from being taught to call myself a Cherokee American, which is the only other way I was taught as a kid when my grandparents taught me our language and culture.
It might be interesting to know that we American Indians represent the minority who enlist in the U.S. military at the highest rate per capita.
My Cherokee grandfather was a USN gunner's mate serving in the Pacific Theater during World War II and I served in the USAF beginning just after high school. In my family, it's traditional to serve in the U.S. military and I am proud to have served, as was my grandfather.
Great observations about an educational presentation that was entertaining as well.
Blessings to you and yours.
Chief Blue Jacket was my family. I'm Shawnee. I'm #421 on the Cherokee scroll's. Roderick Ray Rutledge.
Siyo! My great grandfather was also on the Dawes Rolls, adopted Shawnee, and our line goes back to Blackfish.
I'm part Hikawi
Shoutout to all the Native American spirits
My best friend is Seneca from western New York. His dad was a truck driver and they moved to Ohio when I was twelve. They all had a very dark sense of humor and I immediately bonded with them. I’m half Hispanic but they said I could pass for a “Indian” and they kind of adopted me. I spent as
much time with them as I could, going back to the Rez with them every summer. Their elders told me that the mounds were already here when their ancestors arrived and were built by giants. In ancient times their ancestors warred with remnants of these giants and pushed them further west. This was long before I had heard of giant bones being found in the mounds of Ohio, West Virginia and Indiana. I took it with a grain of salt back then, early eighties, but now I believe what they told me. Why do we not listen to the actual natives when they tell us their history. What do these so-called academics really know?
Thanks for the program 👍
Thanks so much for your diligent research . We love our Native American history in Ohio . I used to find Arrowheads behind our home in Stow - near the Portage County line .
This is amazing. Thank you. I had no idea this was all going on in my neighborhood centuries ago.
Thank You
3 of my ancestors fought at the battle of Upper Sandusky (1782).
All 3 were Washington co. Pa. militia.
All 3 survived the battle.
I have been to the grave of one. John Jamison, Leet's company. Pa. archives has a copy of his signature where he was drawing a wartime pension. He died in 1811.
13:41 - I'm glad to finally find a source that tells me how they referred to themselves. I'd long suspected that "Erie" wasn't the whole story... now I can say at least a bit more than that, thank you. (And that's not to mention lots of other stuff presented here...)
Yes
This is a really good presentation!
Fantastic presentation. My family owns property in parkman along the Grand river that case western college excavated in the 20s saying that there was a buried ground there. I have always been interested in what group was there. My great great grandfather told stories of the last of them being forced out when he was young except for one lonely man in a 1 room cabin
It's hard for me to say, but it would likely have been one of the more recent ones- either the Whittlesey Culture, or the Erie. They were fighting over land back and forth in the years leading up to the Beaver Wars, when both were destroyed.
Whittlesey would have buried everyone 4 ft deep in neat rows, with all the dead facing either east or west & probably originally marked each grave with a spirit house, but these were almost entirely made of wood & would have rotted away by the time settlers arrived. Erie had an Iroquoian style burial ground, which was very different- bones buried in neat little bundles with grave goods & gifts &, I think, in much more disarray.
Also, when was that last Native man around in Parkman? There was a group of Ottawa in Trumbull County until sometime around the War of 1812. I was wondering where they ended up. Since the Ottawa were so far removed from the collective hunting grounds set aside by the Wyandot in northeast Ohio, they were actually allowed by the other tribes to maintain villages in Ashtabula County & were evicted by the military in the 1790s, just before whites began moving in, but according to the local history in Trumbull County, they were pretty much just wandering around between Newton Falls & Mespo for several decades & never actually left.
I apologize for the late response. The my father thought he passed away around 1900 but im afraid I don't have a more specific date.
@@4thgates34Thanks for the input. The last time we have a written record was around 1811-1812, so we are clearly missing something.
Yeah, I've been researching it more & was kind of shocked that there were dedicated Native villages in Portage & Geauga Counties until around 1811- not just those Ottawa, but also Senecas & possibly some Wyandot. The way the early history of Trumbull County was taught to me in school made me think there was just Wyandot living much further off who were just travelling here now & again from west of Cleveland. They never really teach for the whole county, either- just whatever Township you happen to live in, so you miss things. Like, they were often camping on the outskirts of Warren, but Warren history never brings them up, only Champion history does.
Sad thing is, the best explanation I can come up with for where they went if they didn't intermarry themselves away with whites is that they moved to southern Ohio & tried to join the cult Tecumseh's brother, the Prophet, made. Perhaps this one guy stayed behind to look after things & they all assumed they would come back one day, but they got caught up in the Shawnee War & never returned, so the man died alone? If I remember correctly, didn't Geauga County divide off some Indian land in their early days, on the outskirts of Parkman? I swear ai heard about that once, somewhere, but I can't find any info of it online.
This is good for listening 🎧....
I was born in Mansfield...
Haven't been there for years....I don't do good in snow anymore....🥶🤧🤒
We know quite a bit about the the post 17th century ingenious peoples of the area. Thanks to the Beaver Wars we can't really know who lived in the area prior, except through archaeology.
We know the names of four tribes, between early explorers who got up to the edge of Ohio & the French up in Canada- Erie, Miami, Mascouten & Mosopelea- albeit admitting the Mosopelea requires assuming that the Shawnee were always here is bull. The Miami are actually interesting, because they were here before, were chased off during the Beaver Wars, then came & took some of their original land back after.
@@MrChristianDT Thanks, good info! I'm looking for tribes downstate in Indiana and western Ohio. Aware of Miami (Wea and Piankashaw) included, and the Potowatami who all were exiled to Wisconsin and moved back. If anyone has info and source I'm interested.
@@charlietallman9583You'll probably like this Canadian study on an old French map of the Great Lakes from the 1630s, then.
ontarioarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/oa051-02_steckley.pdf
Kweh randyazatsi wendat’ndi …..my father was Wyandot.
I live not too far from blue licks Ky, where the Wyandot beat Daniel Boone.
Large amounts of Saponi moved in to southern Ohio in the mid 1850s so much so that there is the Saponi nation of Ohio
Actually, not very many at all & the ones who moved here were from the Virginia groups, who had already completely lost their culture a while ago, but they did say their ancestors came from Ohio not that long ago. I'm just of a mind that they were the Mound Builders in northern Ohio that the Iroquois say the Erie chased out. The three mounds up here that were labeled Hopewell & excavated in the 70s happen to bear a striking resemblance to theirs in Virginia, just a little more complex in design. Also, that would put the Monongahela Culture right next door to them, who lived in the same style of dwelling as the Saponi did.
where did the giant bones go?
Early pioneers of archeology were "scientists" that were horrified at the prospect of giant human bones giving credence to the book of Genesis in the Christian Bible, so they disposed of the evidence wherever they found them so that only their "scientific" findings would be fact not some religious dogma they despised.
"Look at the Bones."
uncle built dirtbike tracks for me and my brother in leroy, ohio. found some cool stuff n still finding it hehe
finders keepers
Did that Lenape Reservation at Wabash last beyond when the Lenape were removed from the state? I know that was done experimentally, around 1809, or something & it went so poorly, they never did it again until the Indian Removals, excepting the forced eviction of most of the Shawnee over the Shawnee War.
I believe the Lenape moved a bit earlier than that, as they were already between the Potomac & Monongahela Rivers when whites first began moving into Virginia & their territory ran up to the Mahoning River & southwest, into Ohio, until that issue in the 1760s forced them to give up all their eastern land.
Sorry. West Virginia.
Go University of Akron!
Wow! Amazing amount of information. How is it we waited so long to see this or was it there all along? When I see pictures drawn or painted of the 1800s all or most Indians have already lost their way! Look at their cloths (uniforms) and relationships. Their clothing was made of new world materials and often styled after or included aspects of New World fashion. Mixed clothing with mixed minds. Welcome to the Industrial revolution. I contend that this revolution (brain fart) caused a sickness of greed that brought destruction and death to all sides of humanity and even more to wildlife. It (1800s) is truly a time of tears where people all (except atheist's, maybe) espoused some form of God and ALL took part in destruction and rape of what was provided! Guilt is in all families. Can we learn from it. Maybe!
"Scientists believe." Really. Repeating tired tropes is not justice. Just ask The People. Let them speak.
The problem is there isn't a whole lot left who actually know what happened in this area back then. People have tried.
Cant even tell story of ohio in ohio 💀💀💀💀
Why dont they bring up how large the adena and hopewell cultures were. Some skeletons found were 7ft tall up to 9ft tall. some articles even say some were taller! Why arent any of us taught that in school or anywhere? Do the research and you will find the proof of this.
The Adena dna comes from Europe. They came here by turtle boats just under
Cats have nine lives. Why not the Cat Nation. Like.. the Cat came back...
This isn't elementary school. 🤡
I stopped at 13,000 years...
So? Just because you did, doesn't mean you have the facts. 🤡💩🤨🤔🥱
Lmao came from Asian 🤦🏽♂️
Yet ask any Tribe from Canada,North or South American and we ALL WILL SAY WE CAME FROM THE EAST ON A GREAT CANOE.
Seminoles don't look Asian
The ones who they call Indian today did come from Asia the aboriginals which they Ignore on this video never needed a boat to come as were already here.
Sad we Natives can not tell the Truth because we are always silenced. We came here on Ships as bible describes from the East. There was no land bridge. All across these lands We Natives have in ancient Hebrew writings and teachings of everything we have done. Please gentiles stop misleading people with lies about True Hebrews and Israelites.
Are you one of the aboriginals with dark skinned or the natives that did come from the East who they label as Indian today?
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