I have ordered a few of these to test out how they were. A few are ok and "good enuff" but the issue is the cost of the real MAAP, RAPHA, etc gear. Since its so expensive people will always try to cut corners as I did. I own real RAPHA kits and understand the quality difference but is the quality difference worth the price difference ???? The answer to that is not all the time. Some of the companies are over charging for these items. At the end of the day I will probably end up just getting quality kits but not everyone can afford that or has sponsored gear.
If you want cheaper kit, buy cheaper kit. If you want MAAP, buy MAAP. Knock offs are just junk, look like junk, make people think MAAP is junk, make you look like junk. There is good kit at most every price point that isn't a knock off. There is absolutely no reason to support unethical business practices that are flat out illegal in many countries.
I agree with you. The cheap chinese stuff has no backing, no research, no investment in materials, you pay for what you get, stuff stitched together by seamstress women in sweat shops. With MAAP La Passione Assos you pay for the whole brand, research, new materials, less sales, etc, it is expensive and there is a lot in the cost, its black and white. I think same as watches etc, also it doesnt harm the brand, when i was in the Phillipines there were fake watches everywhere, but i never saw so many rolex stores in my life? It would be nice if the good brands were more reasonable and sales were wider, then rip offs would have less room?
Aliexpress & large % of the people would thank you for modelling and the attention you assist in bringing to them. large % of the people is happy to put up with your issues comparing the two costs.
I’m too stingy to buy brands like MAAP or Rapha and I’m also too stingy to waste my money on fake stuff 😅 But I appreciate that you showed the difference of the original and the fake jerseys 👍
@@BrotherlyLove12 The fake brand names are exactly the problem: If you don´t know the clothes of MAAP (or any other major brand) and you see someone wearing this fake stuff with the brand name on it and you look closer and think "uh... thats some poor quality jersey". Then it is likely that you will never spend your money on an original jersey of that brand. And further you will tell all your cycling friends: Don´t buy the stuff of this brand. It´s a waste of money. Sorry my english isn´t the best. I hope you can understand my point of view. ✌️
@@crampinthecalf i understand your point. what i meant by my comment is that branding does not matter and it is only meant to make you buy things that are generally more expensive
@@BrotherlyLove12 But it clearly did matter in this case where the genuine brand was much better quality. It's the whole reason why they even bothered to make a fake copy, because the brand actually makes quality products - no one buys fake copies of mediocre brands... 🤦
The santic and Rion are decent shorts quality I've found. The jerseys are ok on Ali if you buy the more expensive versions but the cheap stuff is not good.
wouldnt this be the perfect situation for providing us with a maap discount code? :P germans wonder if its common to drink beer out of a can in the netherlands?
@@traderz13 unfortunately it is... living next to belgium, where many beers have their very own beer glass which is designed to perfectly accommodate the true flavour of that beer, i thought the drinking culture might have been a little bit more elaborate... :P
Ripp off copies are everywhere, even big companies ripping off small companies. I know a small handlebars manufacturer, has patent, but big companies copied it. Same with photos, people steal them say they are theirs, people just say sue me...... So what are you to do?
Tip: Always drink beer poured into glass. You will have less carbonation in your stomach or bloating, and it will taste better. Everything else is perfect :)
@@Fernwee All good, I suspected that. I am a craft beer nutter too and often self prescribe that. BTW, spot on with your review. Keep up the great content.
in my country this product only sells this like aroud 20-25$ for the whole kit with bib shorts. the original maap here cost around 160-180$ for the whole kit.
Sealant- can't remember who by, but it was suggested to me to add some ground black pepper to the sealant in your tyre as an biodegradeable thing which will help block a hole... no idea if it helps, but doesn't seem to hinder! (&less environmentally awful than glitter which was also suggested!)
I have a few pieces of Ali express kit that I bought when I first started cycling. Since then I have purchased multiple quality pieces bibs an jerseys. In the beginning it was ok and gave me time to save up the dollars for the good stuff. There is absolutely I big difference in the long run. Seems ripped and zippers broke on the cheap stuff and the fit is not great.
I have bought a few items from Ali, more interested in different colours. But, you are correct, the quality is pretty standard and every single item I have bought from many different sellers, ALL have the same label..?? Its like there is a pool of material or products and all the sellers dip in and sell the stuff. Black bibs become more grey the tighter they are. The fit is pretty poor. You take your pick, guess the size and add two up, then wait 20 days. Some items I have are OK and for my daily rides, they suffice, but I have premium shorts from Assos etc and they are always my go to, they are just far superior. Also the pictures are all copied from La Passione, Maap, etc, the product you get is rarely what the picture showed. The asian bib shorts for example come way up the chest?? You get what you pay......
My husband recieved fake headphones made of cheap plastic. My experience was equaly bad, I tried to get refunded for some clothe items which were horrible and completely different from what i asked for and they did not reply to my messages. I feel robbed.
Asking about the handlebars. On your gravelbike, how wide do you like your handle bar to be? I just got a gravelbike, and my roadbike has a 40cm handlebar. The gravelbike came with a 46cm and some flare also. Its looking like a tank. Should I get a smaller handlebar? Thanks!
@fernwee are u doing that work on your bike in a room with a white carpet?! How did you not get chain lube or sealant everywhere. Thats the most impressive thing about this video!
Hoe hou je de kamer schoon met de fietsen en ketting insmeren enz. Ik doe dat in mijn garage maar zelfs daar druppelt er altijd wel wat op de vloer. Of heb je een speciale vloer die waar je het zo schoonmaakt?
what I can say is that if you had near the same quality on that jersey as like the maap jersey it would be very bad since the ali prices are about 20% or less the price of a maap jersey...
Nice bit of bike maintenance, good luck in your race. You get what you pay for, many sites selling “cheap” branded clothing but very cheeky using photos of the real vendor. Good vlog showing the actual quality of what turns up in the post.🤢🙈
Nice video man. To find bike clothes that fit is not easy. Faked clothes made it more difficult. So I will always try the real one. Maybe a discount code from MAAP might help :-) ... good luck for your race ... looking forward to the video, maybe with some new summer sounds ... the weather is so nice this weekend... it's great to ride outside
finally someone is making public that we are getting ripped off by the overpriced brands. everybody should have the possibility to buy a maap rapha pns jersey.
Plenty of good value brands. Mapp put a lot of effort into their brand, if you don't like that don't buy it. However it should be totally illegal to run a website ripping off these brands. It should be blocked.
Off course the real deal is better, if it wasn't then it would be ridicoulous to buy a jersey or a bib for over 200 euro ;-) However there are plenty of other brands that have similar quality clothing for a lower price. But it doesn't have Maap or Pas Normal printed on them... 🙂
Lol bro maap might not like this, it’s kinda like you did a promotion for the fake maap. I mean I know that’s not your intent but for those who didn’t know about fake maap previously, now they know.. 🤷🏻♂️
I have fake MAAP bibs. To be honest they are pretty shit. The logo is not even straight. The fabric is cheap and not really elastic. Only reason I bought them was that they were the only bibs available in blue. I would never buy real MAAP so the chinese should just remove the branding and sell customization options. I would love to have my own brand. Sillyest thing on alix is the ralpha or whatever. Who would wear that?
Dont buy the chinese fake clothing it doesnt last long and i thought to save money i would try it but ended up using it as rags in the end. Now i just prefer spend more money on quality clothing. This fake shit should be banned.
Don't blame aliexpress ,blame the sellers on this website... stop this aliexpress bashing for no reasons , i don't talk about you espacially fernwee but aliexpress can have some hiddem gems (that are done by real chinese brands > RION,SANTIC,SPEXCEL,RACCMER and some others) and sometimes the worst sh*t like counterfeit which is really bad. Maap is fantastic as well. But people who say ''don't buy on aliexpress because it's chinese stuffs" are fooling themselves...
@@harryvanrijn6366 isn't their an aspect of greed making cycling gear 10-20x the price of wholesale/cost to make. I know not every cycling clothing brand is like this but still so many are in this exorbitant price range
I have ordered a few of these to test out how they were. A few are ok and "good enuff" but the issue is the cost of the real MAAP, RAPHA, etc gear. Since its so expensive people will always try to cut corners as I did. I own real RAPHA kits and understand the quality difference but is the quality difference worth the price difference ???? The answer to that is not all the time. Some of the companies are over charging for these items. At the end of the day I will probably end up just getting quality kits but not everyone can afford that or has sponsored gear.
If you want cheaper kit, buy cheaper kit. If you want MAAP, buy MAAP. Knock offs are just junk, look like junk, make people think MAAP is junk, make you look like junk.
There is good kit at most every price point that isn't a knock off. There is absolutely no reason to support unethical business practices that are flat out illegal in many countries.
I agree with you. The cheap chinese stuff has no backing, no research, no investment in materials, you pay for what you get, stuff stitched together by seamstress women in sweat shops. With MAAP La Passione Assos you pay for the whole brand, research, new materials, less sales, etc, it is expensive and there is a lot in the cost, its black and white.
I think same as watches etc, also it doesnt harm the brand, when i was in the Phillipines there were fake watches everywhere, but i never saw so many rolex stores in my life?
It would be nice if the good brands were more reasonable and sales were wider, then rip offs would have less room?
Aliexpress & large % of the people would thank you for modelling and the attention you assist in bringing to them. large % of the people is happy to put up with your issues comparing the two costs.
I’m too stingy to buy brands like MAAP or Rapha and I’m also too stingy to waste my money on fake stuff 😅
But I appreciate that you showed the difference of the original and the fake jerseys 👍
Maap is very nice though. If it comes on sale its worth buying. I buy nothing full price.
what’s fake about these clothes? only thing fake is brand names
@@BrotherlyLove12 The fake brand names are exactly the problem: If you don´t know the clothes of MAAP (or any other major brand) and you see someone wearing this fake stuff with the brand name on it and you look closer and think "uh... thats some poor quality jersey". Then it is likely that you will never spend your money on an original jersey of that brand. And further you will tell all your cycling friends: Don´t buy the stuff of this brand. It´s a waste of money.
Sorry my english isn´t the best. I hope you can understand my point of view.
✌️
@@crampinthecalf i understand your point. what i meant by my comment is that branding does not matter and it is only meant to make you buy things that are generally more expensive
@@BrotherlyLove12 But it clearly did matter in this case where the genuine brand was much better quality. It's the whole reason why they even bothered to make a fake copy, because the brand actually makes quality products - no one buys fake copies of mediocre brands... 🤦
Can you do a bike tour of all the bikes in your house?
The santic and Rion are decent shorts quality I've found. The jerseys are ok on Ali if you buy the more expensive versions but the cheap stuff is not good.
wouldnt this be the perfect situation for providing us with a maap discount code? :P germans wonder if its common to drink beer out of a can in the netherlands?
Common in many places
@@traderz13 unfortunately it is... living next to belgium, where many beers have their very own beer glass which is designed to perfectly accommodate the true flavour of that beer, i thought the drinking culture might have been a little bit more elaborate... :P
@@markuspaulini912 Ach komm, Bier aus Dosen ist genau so gut wie Flaschen. Alles andere ist einbildung
I'm hesitant on spending big bucks on kits due to the fact that a quick visit to the ground will shred that sexy lycra and fuck it up.
Video doesnt show you wearing the real short sleeve jersey for comparison
As soon as you said ‘I think I’ve got all the tools’ 😂 internal routing
Ripp off copies are everywhere, even big companies ripping off small companies. I know a small handlebars manufacturer, has patent, but big companies copied it. Same with photos, people steal them say they are theirs, people just say sue me...... So what are you to do?
"So what are you to do"...Support and appreciate the brand and buy the original clothing....
@@richardvanwijngaarden4732 I send them a writ - a precursor to taking them to court. Dont be afraid to legal up
Make you wonder how much profit the official jersey makers make on each shirt
hint: A LOTTTTTTTT
The whole point is to make profit.
Tip: Always drink beer poured into glass. You will have less carbonation in your stomach or bloating, and it will taste better. Everything else is perfect :)
You're right, and normally I do, but this time I was too cranky
@@Fernwee All good, I suspected that. I am a craft beer nutter too and often self prescribe that. BTW, spot on with your review. Keep up the great content.
My official, genuine, Maap Force Pro LS finally negotiated Brexit and arrived with me this week, wore it out this morning, it’s so toasty... love it!
I started watching then heard the SRAM video and thought... welcome to modern road bikes!
in my country this product only sells this like aroud 20-25$ for the whole kit with bib shorts. the original maap here cost around 160-180$ for the whole kit.
Sealant- can't remember who by, but it was suggested to me to add some ground black pepper to the sealant in your tyre as an biodegradeable thing which will help block a hole... no idea if it helps, but doesn't seem to hinder! (&less environmentally awful than glitter which was also suggested!)
Yeah I think any type of sandy structure might work!
do an apartment tour. i like the aesthetic
I have a few pieces of Ali express kit that I bought when I first started cycling. Since then I have purchased multiple quality pieces bibs an jerseys. In the beginning it was ok and gave me time to save up the dollars for the good stuff. There is absolutely I big difference in the long run. Seems ripped and zippers broke on the cheap stuff and the fit is not great.
I have bought a few items from Ali, more interested in different colours. But, you are correct, the quality is pretty standard and every single item I have bought from many different sellers, ALL have the same label..??
Its like there is a pool of material or products and all the sellers dip in and sell the stuff.
Black bibs become more grey the tighter they are.
The fit is pretty poor. You take your pick, guess the size and add two up, then wait 20 days.
Some items I have are OK and for my daily rides, they suffice, but I have premium shorts from Assos etc and they are always my go to, they are just far superior.
Also the pictures are all copied from La Passione, Maap, etc, the product you get is rarely what the picture showed. The asian bib shorts for example come way up the chest??
You get what you pay......
I have a fake rapha outfit from Ali and the bibshort is bad but the shirt is very good
I wear some ali staff but it's made by chinese factory RION. Quality is so so but at least they don't try to fake any brands.
RION is fantastic ...
I have Rion it's pretty good
Who are you making fool of, you yourself ordered S size then complaining of the fit 😂😂
My husband recieved fake headphones made of cheap plastic. My experience was equaly bad, I tried to get refunded for some clothe items which were horrible and completely different from what i asked for and they did not reply to my messages. I feel robbed.
Asking about the handlebars. On your gravelbike, how wide do you like your handle bar to be? I just got a gravelbike, and my roadbike has a 40cm handlebar. The gravelbike came with a 46cm and some flare also. Its looking like a tank. Should I get a smaller handlebar? Thanks!
Oddly enough, MAAPS new training jerseys have white stitching I believe. On the blue and green jerseys. 🤓
@fernwee are u doing that work on your bike in a room with a white carpet?! How did you not get chain lube or sealant everywhere. Thats the most impressive thing about this video!
C ch is a k sound in Italian, you were right the first time.
Hoe hou je de kamer schoon met de fietsen en ketting insmeren enz. Ik doe dat in mijn garage maar zelfs daar druppelt er altijd wel wat op de vloer. Of heb je een speciale vloer die waar je het zo schoonmaakt?
I'm going to save millions
what I can say is that if you had near the same quality on that jersey as like the maap jersey it would be very bad since the ali prices are about 20% or less the price of a maap jersey...
Эх, даже сюда добралась рубрика с обзором вещей с алика:D
no discount code for ali express?:)
I bought some bib shorts for 10$ from Aliexpress. They're great.
Nice bit of bike maintenance, good luck in your race. You get what you pay for, many sites selling “cheap” branded clothing but very cheeky using photos of the real vendor. Good vlog showing the actual quality of what turns up in the post.🤢🙈
Yes!! It’s road bike season. 😂🚴♂️
Fiiiiinally!
The worst quality issue with these knockoffs is the zippers. They will not last.
Good luck in your upcoming event. I really am surprised you gave the shirts such high marks. The green one was awful
I agree.. they should both get zero.. life is too short to wear that rubbish
Is it any worse than other cheaper brands? And is it 10times worse? Ie i think its in ref to the price paid
Nice video man. To find bike clothes that fit is not easy. Faked clothes made it more difficult. So I will always try the real one. Maybe a discount code from MAAP might help :-) ... good luck for your race ... looking forward to the video, maybe with some new summer sounds ... the weather is so nice this weekend... it's great to ride outside
Thanks man!
What's the canister you used for seating your tubeless?
General answer: it’s called a booster. You refill it with a pump, then it releases all the air at once at high speed. Specific this one: no idea.
@@gregorhec8400 thank you, was just wondering particular brand. Decided I'm going to make my own from a fire extinguisher 😉
Direct gekeken nadat ik gemeld had dat je op aliexpress stond met je outfits 👍
Heb al bij aliexpress besteld en ben wel blij met de weerstand ervan
Precies, thanks voor de tip ;)
Hey man, I just got the Karoo 2. what is the mount you have to fitted? Thanks
The custom mount that comes with the Izalco Max, but the hammerhead fits on any garmin type mount with the adapter they offer
Lovely stuff. Thanks for that.
finally someone is making public that we are getting ripped off by the overpriced brands. everybody should have the possibility to buy a maap rapha pns jersey.
Lol
Do you guys think that « non fake » kits aren’t made in china?
Plenty of good value brands. Mapp put a lot of effort into their brand, if you don't like that don't buy it. However it should be totally illegal to run a website ripping off these brands. It should be blocked.
Which dress Swiss wheels are they?
ARC 1400 spline
The Chinese have been doing this with several brands.
Great vid, poxy rip off companies!🤬😂
Good luck on Sunday 💪💪🚴♂️🚴♂️🏁🏁
You should saved your 🤑!
I’ll take them off your hands!
Can you make a video about tubeless pump ?
My wife doesn't let me clean and lube bikes in the house 😉
Did you have to shorten the brake hose for the narrower bars and I only give you 6/10 for lack of Mickey and Leon Content. 😄
I did, and i agree, videos with only my face are boring!
I would expect you to focus on some obvious details of both jerseys and their differences. This is a very subjective description, but thanks :).
A case of buyer beware.
The best cycling vvlogs! Greetings from Greece.
Off course the real deal is better, if it wasn't then it would be ridicoulous to buy a jersey or a bib for over 200 euro ;-) However there are plenty of other brands that have similar quality clothing for a lower price. But it doesn't have Maap or Pas Normal printed on them... 🙂
Take it to the American mechanic :)
fake are for those who can't afford the original.its a choice or alternative.
Love the music!!!
I can understand how you feel as you are a representative of mapp
Who can afford £135 for a jersey not me only the rich
Все нравится, интересно, полезно.
Buy chinese non-fake. They are as good as any top brand at 10% of the price of other brands
Lol bro maap might not like this, it’s kinda like you did a promotion for the fake maap. I mean I know that’s not your intent but for those who didn’t know about fake maap previously, now they know.. 🤷🏻♂️
Cheap is not good & good is not cheap 🤔
I have fake MAAP bibs. To be honest they are pretty shit. The logo is not even straight. The fabric is cheap and not really elastic. Only reason I bought them was that they were the only bibs available in blue. I would never buy real MAAP so the chinese should just remove the branding and sell customization options. I would love to have my own brand. Sillyest thing on alix is the ralpha or whatever. Who would wear that?
Google "Uighurs"
You need a lawyer to send Ali Express a "cease and desist" letter as soon as possible.
Aliexpress should then just send out fake maap jerseys to the lawyer.
good fun video
Expensive buy once and cheap buy many times .
You are trying to sell an expensive chain lube that is way less efficient than the affordable paraffin wax. Crook
Dont buy the chinese fake clothing it doesnt last long and i thought to save money i would try it but ended up using it as rags in the end. Now i just prefer spend more money on quality clothing. This fake shit should be banned.
No shopping in Alie 👎🏼
Don't blame aliexpress ,blame the sellers on this website... stop this aliexpress bashing for no reasons , i don't talk about you espacially fernwee but aliexpress can have some hiddem gems (that are done by real chinese brands > RION,SANTIC,SPEXCEL,RACCMER and some others) and sometimes the worst sh*t like counterfeit which is really bad.
Maap is fantastic as well.
But people who say ''don't buy on aliexpress because it's chinese stuffs" are fooling themselves...
Ive got nothing against ali express either, so thanks for sharing some brands that are maybe doing a better job than these guys!
@@Fernwee many thanks my dear , keep going and make your cool videos as usual :D.
China figures !
If it's too good to be true, it is. General rule of Harry: avoid Aliexpress like the plague.
Check out spexcel on aliexpress, very high quality stuff surprising and good reviews
@@harryvanrijn6366 isn't their an aspect of greed making cycling gear 10-20x the price of wholesale/cost to make. I know not every cycling clothing brand is like this but still so many are in this exorbitant price range
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you bought the jersey too small
Live is to short to wear fake 🥸 clothes !
You cannot compare a Citroën with a ferrari.
Why comparing brands..
Hey you get what you pay for.
The stuff is not bad for 15 Euro's.
First