Marched as a rifle in the 60s. Madison Scoits was my fav corps since then. Classic Madison music. Classic Scouts uniforms. Always loved their rifle line. Those days of drum corps no longer exist.
@@mrpoopoohead7668 I wish you very successful endeavor. Myself, and John Dowling, with the founders of American Spirit senior alumni from a beautiful Corps. May he rest in peace. What we did we sent letters out to every growing beautiful core that was active at the time this is in 19 92. Asking if they can donate any used old equipment. We ended up receiving close to 70 bugles, they were all valve Rotor at the time. I learned how to repair bugles real fast, some of them I sent to a music store that will be on my area of expertise. At the time Suncoast sound was still in existence, one thing they did wrong, they refuse to do a local parade, for Circle K, which sponsor them purchasing their 18 wheelers and assorted other vehicles. I refusing to do a local parade Circle K drop them like a hot potato. And I don't blame them. One of the problems today these course go on the road extremely expensive as you well know I'm sure. And the local communities have no interest because they have no idea who they are. They never do local parades, or local exhibitions at grand openings baseball games football Games Etc. Old school growing vehicle was a great youth activity sponsored by American Legion VFW and some local churches. When they were in a local parade the community would come out and support them, saying that's how a drone bugle Corps because many families had members in the drum and bugle Corps. So much success but if you get any local, parades exhibitions, jump at the activity to get exposure to the community. And I am sure you will be successful. A big problem I always felt with DCI, they never encourage kids to go on to a senior competing Court. Doing that perpetuates the activity even further. When you have a parade or eventually competition you will have support by the all the folks that have children in the Drum Corps, itself perpetuates. It worked for many years in the activity, I am positive it will work again. One of the negative point, American Spirit senior Corps, Suncoast sounds Administration including members would, put us down and tell the kids that were in Suncoast not to join us, they make comments like those are a bunch of old guys what do you want to waste your time with that they don't know anything. Meanwhile in all ranks we had, State national and World Champion members. Norwood Park Imperials, New York Skyliners, Long Island sunrises, Santa Clara, Garfield Cadets Riley Raiders, Syracuse brigadiers, Hawthorn Caballeros, just to name a few. We would advertise in local newspapers, things of that nature, so all of former members of Suncoast sound, pretty much gave us the finger, so we could not survive and ended up folding. I'm just trying to give you our experience and what took place. Good luck, we need more people like yourself to resurrect the demise activity. My opinion DCI is the reason for the demise, first off if you wanted to be competitive you had to compete on that tour. Most cars went bankrupt could not afford that. Then going City to City, local communities have no idea who you are what you are and why you doing that. But they also today turned it into a marching band competition, superimposed on the three-ring circus. With the variety of brass band instruments, all sorts of xylophones which I think if you can't carry it you can't use it in competition, aside from being very expensive. Today they dance and Prince, with so many props, no uniforms costumes, the drum lines play very few rudiments if any, they're more involved with visuals such as juggling, all sorts of body English as felt they did something difficult or cool, arms flaring all over the place, PA systems, singing and voice narration explaining what's going on. And so forth and so on. Their budgets are around $6,000 per person, plus their overall expense for season runs into the Millions, and for what. And one other thing they need to stop referring to themselves as Drum Corps International, that's a lie. They should refer themselves as, launching band International. Just call it what it is. Today is, December 4th 2022. God bless you and your endeavors, and I hope you succeed, again we need more people to have the gumption stand up and try to, resurrect, once again a great youth activity.
I marched with the Scouts from 1969 through 1973. In the stands at this show in 1975 I balled like a baby because I missed being on the field with my brothers so badly. YNWA.
I was in Guardsmen 75 and 76. We made Midwest finals in 75, but were 37th at the finals. So I was in the stands in Philly when Madison won the title. They cooked! The crowd loved them. Guardsmen did make finals in 76. I still get a little emotional watching my collection of shows. My favorite corps is phantom regiment, but I love all corps in all eras. I try to explain to people the hard work that goes into doing this activity. On one of my tapes is the mid 90's 27th lancers alumni show. Ok.. I admit I cried when watching it the first time. Loved that corps
We marched at Whitewater in 1980. Spirit of Atlanta (snareline) All I remember is having to wear our uniforms during warm up because of the huge mosquitos. Great show. Everyone was there.
Reggie Darnell Hey Reggie Darnell, this is David Smith. I marched with you in Madison Junior Scouts in 1976. I think you were the only Contra bass that year. I remember you though from the Southside of Madison. Your family lived in a house on the corner of Beld and Pine St. Great to hear from you. How are you doing?
Hay David how are you? yes thats right I was the only contra in junior corp. I use to hate going to winter practice in the snow but now these are the fondest memories i have as a kid.
+Reggie Darnell You guys had an absolutely devastating sound. What is the name of your xylophone player? I don't think I've heard anyone have so much fun on the competition field. Sounds like his improv skills were/are excellent.
1975 Madison Scouts made me fall in love with Drum Corps. I am blessed to have been a part of the brotherhood and to have played under Mike Leckrone’s baton at UW. Thanks for sharing the history.
Lloyd Pesola @ 32:52 is great to see him with his ponytail under his cap! The 1976 DCI Yearbook has a large picture of him from this finals in a section on judging. Lloyd marched with and later taught and wrote some of the music for the Menominee Mich Northernaires. He also taught and wrote brass scores for many corps in the region and Spirit of Atlanta. It was with them that he was involved in the car accident that killed Jim Otts and wrecked Lloyd’s leg.
I was in the stands, all day, for this. I had just become a DM in our HS band as a sophomore and a friend & I sat thru the rain. We marched drum corps style.
My brother and played in drum corps 1963 to 1969, a few juniors corps but the best time were in the Kenosha Kingsmen. Sadly my brother and I got called up, Fall of 1969 We were in the Military Reserves. While I was in Japan, I received a letter winter of 1970, telling the Kingsmen folded ? Go Army Retired
Thanks for your service. No doubt, I believe that the draft affected many drum corps. Many of the older guys joined a branch or went as a result of the draft. I marched for a total of 5 years, however, I did get drafted but I was already in the Air Force for 2 years. Perhaps the draft attributed to the Corp folding?
@@thomashelm6931 Hello, Thank you for your service, A few times during the draft era I think ? the Royal Airs & Des Planes Vanguard lost many in their horn lines. There was more units that lost sections to the draft. Myself I thought I would just have to do the USNR, but got activated. The 60's were great times for drum corps there was so many.
I loved watching this. I marched in my HS band about this time. I went to all the local Drum Corps competitions back then. Our director actually borrowed a lot from the Madison Scouts (even their cadence one year...I can still play it, lol). We did open class band competions with other marching bands. I miss those days.
THANK YOU for posting this PR Org 1986-1991 pit and lead baritone, last year Suncoast Sound 1992; I haven't seen this in a long time, I remember actually competing
2:30 Oh crap, kill those leisure suits and airplane wing collars! I can't believe I wore that style back when I was 18 in junior college. Seriously though, this is a great archive of drum corps past. Thanks for posting. 6:25 Did you know - that the Phantom Regiment got its name from an old Syracuse Brigadiers tune (1950's) of the same name!
Man... remember when the Midwest was THE powerhouse region? Cavies, Phantom, Madison, eventually Star... Been a long time now. Only NorCal has more than one dominant corps these days. Competition for these college players is off the hook. Not crying about the good old days... just looking at the current landscape.
It's interesting, those prices are similar to the prices of the Chinese Marching Brass that is on the market today. The prices of good marching brass is way up there. $1500 for a trumpet and $8 to 10K for a Tuba.
Yeah, everybody marches, contributes to “real corps”. I stopped attending when the pit was bigger (practically) than those on the field. Not only that, there were more flags and dancers than instruments. I don’t even bother watching any videos past late ‘90’s. Always thought the timpani dudes were badazz and I bet some of em now have major back problems.
I was in Guardsmen in 75 and 76. I think 80's and 90's were good because they ..finally... opened up the rules. The corps could take more chances in that era. Pre 80's "tick" 10th of a point off for micro mistakes. I do love the crisp, fantastic 60's 70's marching. Madison has done fantastic shows over the decades. I enjoy phantom regiment. They are modern now, but mostly have fewer props and keep some classic moves. I think the fans and myself still love a phantom tight wedge and kick out! Respect all who marched corps in all eras!
Back in the late 60s early 70s drum and bugle Corps will rated the fourth largest largest spectator drawer events in the country ahead of baseball believe it or not today hardly anybody knows what's going on with these bands very few people attend contest back in the old days we had close to 7000 Roma bugle course throughout the country not all competing organizations but parade organizations included in that number The budgets today Run 1 million up to two million plus dollars per year any instruments quadrupled in price Plus members pay 2242 $5,000 just to belong to an organization
$100,000.00 would just about cover gas money for buses these days....funny but chartering is cheaper than maintaining a bus these days. Insurance alone would kill any budget. I wonder how much blue devils spend in today's dollars to tour each summer,considering in 1975 corps was limited to 128 performers on the field, compared to today, where you can have about 100 performers in just the hornline.....
Well, it's still limited, just to 150 instead of 128. I doubt anyone is marching 100 in the hornline considering they also have battery, front ensemble, and color guard. 22 more people isn't an insane amount more.
Interesting! 1966 through 1968, we had a total of 12 in the drum line, including three symbols. And 36 horns. Couldn't have had any more than 25 in the color guard. They sure did expand the amount of members! And we were what was called a class A drum corps.
Some would say it wasn't being run correctly and some would say DCI killed it. From what I understand, towards the end DCI discouraged DCI member corps from participating in DCM.
David Raeke Unless you count the 4 championships of Garfield in that time period, (which should have been 3, and SCV should have won '87, but whatever), and the fact that, place for place, Santa Clara has the lowest overall total (18) for those 8 years, over BD (22) and Garfield (27). SCV dominated the 80's.
timber72 Why let FACTS mess up David's rant?? LOLOLOLOL The lowest SCV was in that frame was 3rd corpsreps.com/corpsreps.cfm?view=corpsdet&corps=3&corpstype=Junior
Marched as a rifle in the 60s. Madison Scoits was my fav corps since then. Classic Madison music. Classic Scouts uniforms. Always loved their rifle line. Those days of drum corps no longer exist.
yes it's sad. I am hoping to start a corps, and we will do things like we did in the 1970's...hoping my hometown community is interested??
@@mrpoopoohead7668 I wish you very successful endeavor. Myself, and John Dowling, with the founders of American Spirit senior alumni from a beautiful Corps. May he rest in peace. What we did we sent letters out to every growing beautiful core that was active at the time this is in 19 92. Asking if they can donate any used old equipment. We ended up receiving close to 70 bugles, they were all valve Rotor at the time. I learned how to repair bugles real fast, some of them I sent to a music store that will be on my area of expertise. At the time Suncoast sound was still in existence, one thing they did wrong, they refuse to do a local parade, for Circle K, which sponsor them purchasing their 18 wheelers and assorted other vehicles. I refusing to do a local parade Circle K drop them like a hot potato. And I don't blame them. One of the problems today these course go on the road extremely expensive as you well know I'm sure. And the local communities have no interest because they have no idea who they are. They never do local parades, or local exhibitions at grand openings baseball games football Games Etc. Old school growing vehicle was a great youth activity sponsored by American Legion VFW and some local churches. When they were in a local parade the community would come out and support them, saying that's how a drone bugle Corps because many families had members in the drum and bugle Corps. So much success but if you get any local, parades exhibitions, jump at the activity to get exposure to the community. And I am sure you will be successful. A big problem I always felt with DCI, they never encourage kids to go on to a senior competing Court. Doing that perpetuates the activity even further. When you have a parade or eventually competition you will have support by the all the folks that have children in the Drum Corps, itself perpetuates. It worked for many years in the activity, I am positive it will work again. One of the negative point, American Spirit senior Corps, Suncoast sounds Administration including members would, put us down and tell the kids that were in Suncoast not to join us, they make comments like those are a bunch of old guys what do you want to waste your time with that they don't know anything. Meanwhile in all ranks we had, State national and World Champion members. Norwood Park Imperials, New York Skyliners, Long Island sunrises, Santa Clara, Garfield Cadets Riley Raiders, Syracuse brigadiers, Hawthorn Caballeros, just to name a few. We would advertise in local newspapers, things of that nature, so all of former members of Suncoast sound, pretty much gave us the finger, so we could not survive and ended up folding. I'm just trying to give you our experience and what took place. Good luck, we need more people like yourself to resurrect the demise activity. My opinion DCI is the reason for the demise, first off if you wanted to be competitive you had to compete on that tour. Most cars went bankrupt could not afford that. Then going City to City, local communities have no idea who you are what you are and why you doing that. But they also today turned it into a marching band competition, superimposed on the three-ring circus. With the variety of brass band instruments, all sorts of xylophones which I think if you can't carry it you can't use it in competition, aside from being very expensive. Today they dance and Prince, with so many props, no uniforms costumes, the drum lines play very few rudiments if any, they're more involved with visuals such as juggling, all sorts of body English as felt they did something difficult or cool, arms flaring all over the place, PA systems, singing and voice narration explaining what's going on. And so forth and so on. Their budgets are around $6,000 per person, plus their overall expense for season runs into the Millions, and for what. And one other thing they need to stop referring to themselves as Drum Corps International, that's a lie. They should refer themselves as, launching band International. Just call it what it is. Today is, December 4th 2022. God bless you and your endeavors, and I hope you succeed, again we need more people to have the gumption stand up and try to, resurrect, once again a great youth activity.
I marched with the Scouts from 1969 through 1973. In the stands at this show in 1975 I balled like a baby because I missed being on the field with my brothers so badly. YNWA.
I was in Guardsmen 75 and 76. We made Midwest finals in 75, but were 37th at the finals. So I was in the stands in Philly when Madison won the title. They cooked! The crowd loved them. Guardsmen did make finals in 76. I still get a little emotional watching my collection of shows. My favorite corps is phantom regiment, but I love all corps in all eras. I try to explain to people the hard work that goes into doing this activity. On one of my tapes is the mid 90's 27th lancers alumni show. Ok..
I admit I cried when watching it the first time. Loved that corps
We marched at Whitewater in 1980. Spirit of Atlanta (snareline)
All I remember is having to wear our uniforms during warm up
because of the huge mosquitos. Great show. Everyone was there.
These are the shows that made me love drum corps! Yes, I'm old. I was happy to see these shows in Whitewater when I was in high school.
Wow...now I remember why I joined Drum Corps in 1974 as a 10 year old, to march until I was 21 with the Vanguard. Fun times!!!
Proud to be a Scout 1974 to 1978 long long dedicated hours of pratice. now looking back the best time of my life.
JJ Bonneville If i may ask, how do you feel about the way DCI has changed over the years?
Reggie Darnell Hey Reggie Darnell, this is David Smith. I marched with you in Madison Junior Scouts in 1976. I think you were the only Contra bass that year. I remember you though from the Southside of Madison. Your family lived in a house on the corner of Beld and Pine St. Great to hear from you. How are you doing?
Hay David how are you? yes thats right I was the only contra in junior corp. I use to hate going to winter practice in the snow but now these are the fondest memories i have as a kid.
David do you still have your scouts jacket?
+Reggie Darnell You guys had an absolutely devastating sound. What is the name of your xylophone player? I don't think I've heard anyone have so much fun on the competition field. Sounds like his improv skills were/are excellent.
These dudes are marching with Timpani drums CUUUUUUUUUUUD LAWWWWWWD 😅 have to give respect where it's due and beyond
1975 Madison Scouts made me fall in love with Drum Corps. I am blessed to have been a part of the brotherhood and to have played under Mike Leckrone’s baton at UW. Thanks for sharing the history.
Lloyd Pesola @ 32:52 is great to see him with his ponytail under his cap! The 1976 DCI Yearbook has a large picture of him from this finals in a section on judging. Lloyd marched with and later taught and wrote some of the music for the Menominee Mich Northernaires. He also taught and wrote brass scores for many corps in the region and Spirit of Atlanta. It was with them that he was involved in the car accident that killed Jim Otts and wrecked Lloyd’s leg.
I was in the stands, all day, for this. I had just become a DM in our HS band as a sophomore and a friend & I sat thru the rain. We marched drum corps style.
Today, if a corps MARCHES for a minute, the crowd goes nuts. Would love to see a drill that has more of that. Need to have chills again!!!!!
Wow, what memories as I watched in the stands with the Stockton Commodores
My brother and played in drum corps 1963 to 1969, a few juniors corps but the best time were in the Kenosha Kingsmen. Sadly my brother and I got called up, Fall of 1969 We were in the Military Reserves.
While I was in Japan, I received a letter winter of 1970, telling the Kingsmen folded ? Go Army Retired
Thanks for your service.
No doubt, I believe that the draft affected many drum corps. Many of the older guys joined a branch or went as a result of the draft. I marched for a total of 5 years, however, I did get drafted but I was already in the Air Force for 2 years.
Perhaps the draft attributed to the Corp folding?
@@thomashelm6931 Hello, Thank you for your service, A few times during the draft era I think ? the Royal Airs & Des Planes Vanguard lost many in their horn lines. There was more units that lost sections to the draft. Myself I thought I would just have to do the USNR, but got activated. The 60's were great times for drum corps there was so many.
I loved watching this. I marched in my HS band about this time. I went to all the local Drum Corps competitions back then. Our director actually borrowed a lot from the Madison Scouts (even their cadence one year...I can still play it, lol). We did open class band competions with other marching bands. I miss those days.
The sop solist for Madison is the best I've ever heard
THANK YOU for posting this PR Org 1986-1991 pit and lead baritone, last year Suncoast Sound 1992; I haven't seen this in a long time, I remember actually competing
Oh my...the Madison Scouts! Each section was stellar. Incredible mallet players.
Fantastic musicians.,,,able to play LOUD.....and soft while marching and putting on a show.....
I was a member of the Stockton Commodores in 65-67. Many long hours of practice , not much different now, great musicians and pretty good athletes
SCV soprano licks amazing this year.
2:30 Oh crap, kill those leisure suits and airplane wing collars! I can't believe I wore that style back when I was 18 in junior college. Seriously though, this is a great archive of drum corps past. Thanks for posting. 6:25 Did you know - that the Phantom Regiment got its name from an old Syracuse Brigadiers tune (1950's) of the same name!
Man... remember when the Midwest was THE powerhouse region? Cavies, Phantom, Madison, eventually Star... Been a long time now. Only NorCal has more than one dominant corps these days. Competition for these college players is off the hook. Not crying about the good old days... just looking at the current landscape.
Thanks for posting, this is outstanding. Madison's power is beyond reproach, but how did SCV not win M&M at Finals?
It's interesting, those prices are similar to the prices of the Chinese Marching Brass that is on the market today. The prices of good marching brass is way up there. $1500 for a trumpet and $8 to 10K for a Tuba.
Yestoday they call a contrabass tuba marching band mentality today whole different ballgame
Yeah, everybody marches, contributes to “real corps”.
I stopped attending when the pit was bigger (practically) than those on the field. Not only that, there were more flags and dancers than instruments.
I don’t even bother watching any videos past late ‘90’s.
Always thought the timpani dudes were badazz and I bet some of em now have major back problems.
Carol, You have that right! Happy 4th of July!!!
I really enjoyed this.
This is what true, real Drum Corps was all about!!!
+Stephen Marck High marching and company fronts the whole time and bad marching technique? Drum Corps has improved A LOT since the 70's.
DCI has died a lot since the 90's.. Period!
The music then was much better than now.
@@diegochavezisntmanam Sorry, do I know you?
I was in Guardsmen in 75 and 76. I think 80's and 90's were good because they ..finally... opened up the rules. The corps could take more chances in that era. Pre 80's "tick" 10th of a point off for micro mistakes. I do love the crisp, fantastic 60's 70's marching. Madison has done fantastic shows over the decades. I enjoy phantom regiment. They are modern now, but mostly have fewer props and keep some classic moves. I think the fans and myself still love a phantom tight wedge and kick out! Respect all who marched corps in all eras!
this... izzzz... AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWESOMMMMMMME!!
Back in the late 60s early 70s drum and bugle Corps will rated the fourth largest largest spectator drawer events in the country ahead of baseball believe it or not today hardly anybody knows what's going on with these bands very few people attend contest back in the old days we had close to 7000 Roma bugle course throughout the country not all competing organizations but parade organizations included in that number
The budgets today Run 1 million up to two million plus dollars per year any instruments quadrupled in price Plus members pay 2242 $5,000 just to belong to an organization
Cool that Phillip is next (side 2) to the DM podium
This is Awesome!
$425 for set of tenors wish today's prices reflected 1975!!!!
Awesome!
$100,000.00 would just about cover gas money for buses these days....funny but chartering is cheaper than maintaining a bus these days. Insurance alone would kill any budget. I wonder how much blue devils spend in today's dollars to tour each summer,considering in 1975 corps was limited to 128 performers on the field, compared to today, where you can have about 100 performers in just the hornline.....
Well, it's still limited, just to 150 instead of 128. I doubt anyone is marching 100 in the hornline considering they also have battery, front ensemble, and color guard. 22 more people isn't an insane amount more.
Interesting! 1966 through 1968, we had a total of 12 in the drum line, including three symbols. And 36 horns. Couldn't have had any more than 25 in the color guard. They sure did expand the amount of members!
And we were what was called a class A drum corps.
Those instrument prices!! 🙂
What ever happened to DCM, I even heard corps practicing when I was going to school at NIU, WTF EVER HAPPENED TO DCM
Some would say it wasn't being run correctly and some would say DCI killed it. From what I understand, towards the end DCI discouraged DCI member corps from participating in DCM.
so glad they have pit percussion nowadays u see they are carrying the kettle drums and xylophone on the field
Benefited from Hawthorne DQ
Your buddy Ray
12:02 Blue Devils "came out of nowhere to challenge the best in the nation." And then they would go on to dominate the activity for the next 40 years.
81-89 Devils dominated
David Raeke Unless you count the 4 championships of Garfield in that time period, (which should have been 3, and SCV should have won '87, but whatever), and the fact that, place for place, Santa Clara has the lowest overall total (18) for those 8 years, over BD (22) and Garfield (27).
SCV dominated the 80's.
timber72 Why let FACTS mess up David's rant?? LOLOLOLOL The lowest SCV was in that frame was 3rd
corpsreps.com/corpsreps.cfm?view=corpsdet&corps=3&corpstype=Junior
Except Vanguard won in 1989 and in 1989 as well, the infamous solo mishap.
But the case for Blue Devil dominance could be two periods:
76-82
94- present
Since ‘75 the Devils have never placed lower than 5th.
Don't youmean 76 - 89?
7:27
DCI was so boring back then
It's boring because you don't know the history.
Looking back it seems boring but it wasn’t then.
The music was better then
What a young douche bag u r miguel
Very underated lead sopranos.