How about sundial of the infinite which helps tokens stay on the battlefield which end the turn immediately and ignoring the "exile at the beginning of your end step".
Just built this deck with sundial and legion loyalty! I can’t wait to play it at our next commander night. Make 2 copies of all the creatures and keep them, so it again next turn and make 2 copies of each of the copies! Insane.
@@bradlyhaskell9821 this would be true if you decide to take youre second main phase however combat damage is resolved before the end of your combat phase so you can activate sundial right after damage and skip your mainphase.
Bladegryf Prototype. Each opponent chooses a nonland permanent you don't control, and destroys them. This happens each turn. Every turn. So long as Ulder and Prototype are alive, but why wouldn't they be?
@@captianbacon Exactly, and i have played against some pretty nasty players that would counter him before he hits the field, then at that point, you won’t be able to get him out because now he costs 8 MANA, good luck with that.
@@captianbacon I feel like it would be stupidly busted as a 2 or 3 drop even if you lowered its PT to 1/1. I really can't see an effect like that below 4 or 5 CMC, and 4 would be really pushing it
The problem I see with this card: it doesn't do enough the turn you cast it - 6 mana is a lot so probably not using the "gives haste" part when he comes into play. So he becomes a "if I untap with this thing you guys are in trouble" card, which is likely to leave you as the Archenemy never to see a next turn.
@@Naturessightsandsounds7040 If you have another big creature in play that survived a round then yes - but in most cases it will have to survive a turn before really shining.
my first thought with this was aurelia the warleader? im not sure if this is how this works, but i feel like aurelia might go infinite with duke. if you go to combat, give aurelia myriad, attack and trigger myriad and aurelia, you get the extra copies, legend rule down to one of the tokens, then aurelia triggers untapping the token aurelia and giving you an extra combat. if the token aurelia lives you go to your next combat, give the aurelia myriad and attack, does the aurelia trigger to give you yet another additional combat? i think it might be yes because its the first time this token has been declared as an attacker, while it has been an attacker in combat before it has not been declared before. might be wrong though this is just a guess. you run aurelia in the 99 of this guy regardless its just whether or not theres a combo
What do you mean “if the token lives” this doesn’t work with Aurelia at all myriad tokens die. The legend rule doesn’t protect the tokens. You can’t declare them as attackers.
@@regaleagle6533 in regards to the legend rule i was saying you could choose to keep a myriad token and then use that for the next round of combat however youre absolutely right none of this matters because the myriad tokens disappear at the end of combat, i thought they disappeared at end of turn like encore tokens do sad that this doesnt work the way i want it to but hey aurelia still does work in this deck
Chancellor of the Forge is also tasty with this. , ETB create a 1/1 goblin for each creature you control. Tyrant of Discord too. ETB target opponent sacrifices a random permanent & if it's nonland then repeat.
I'd build this guy into a Boros "artifacts matter" deck. Toss in some good mana rocks to accelerate into explosive plays. Run Quicksilver Amulet; Sneak Attack; Mirror Box; Blade of Selves; and Helm of the Host for a supreme jank lollapalooza experience.
After playing this guy in 4 games (on a $50 budget), and winning 3 of the 4 of them, I beg to agree. Amulet, Sneak Attack, and Mirror Box take up slots that neither ramp, are a threat, or draw cards. Thus, jank. Unless you also run Eldrazi, in which case Sneak Attack and Amulet are a combo
Can we copy legendary creature by myriad ?? that was broken the legendary rule ?? or it doesn't attack but etb and it was sacrifice instead(meaning leave the btf).
Would Port Razer work with this? Would you get 1 extra combat, 3 extra combats, or, if you rotated through hitting all 3 opponents with a different Port Razer each time, would you get 9 extra combats?
@@jflowization you are correct and incorrect. You are correct that it would not work but the reason it would not work if not because of what you said. Copies of a creature count as a new creature so that's not an issue. The copy port razes would be just as effective as the real part razor. The problem is the commander says that you target a creature and then it gains Myriad. Port razes second line of text says it cannot attack a player it has already attacked before this turn and Myriad can only trigger when you're attacking so the original part razor who is the creature who would be targeted with the Commander's ability would only ever be able to attack three times if you had three opponents and you connected. Corked razors inability to attack a player in has already attacked makes with the fact that you have to attack with it to trigger the Myriad ability is the reason it wouldn't work. Again I reiterate a copy of a new creature count as a new creature which means if you copied Port razor and you attacked a player who you already attacked with the original Port razor it would still work but in this situation the copies don't have myriad which is the cause of the problem. Also I edited this in just in case you didn't understand, when a creature says its own name and its effect it is effectively saying "this card". That is why copies work because copies aren't the actual card that it's talking about when it says its name.
Wouldn't Combat Celebrant go infinite with this commander? It attacks, you exert and make 2 copies, rinse and repeat? Or is it a matter of trigger orders holding it back?
If it copies your commander 3 times do they all count towards commander damage or only the original? Any sort of Boros or Mardu Voltron, Zurgo or Silvar, would benefit crazy from this I imagine
2 things, first, the tokens would not deal commander damage, that’s the answer to your question. Second thing is that the tokens of any legendary creature would fall under the legend rule where you can only have 1 of any legendary card on the battlefield at any given time, unless stated otherwise. Essentially just means the tokens you get from myriad wouldn’t even live long enough to deal damage.
@@TheKensta88 Yeah, but that's true of any Blitz stuff. Would have been super efficient to just let them come into play and die. Oh well. Still a good Idea.
That wouldn't work in the way I think you're hoping it to at any rate: 706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied. As such, the fact that you blitzed the original doesn't apply to any copies of it
Correct, but incorrect. Mitch was saying that The creature Ulder gave myriad to in the first combat would still have it, which is true. The tokens are gone, but the myriad keyword remains, and you get to add another one.
How about Coercive Recruiter, which temporarily gains control of 6 creatures (in a 4 player game) each turn? It's obsurd. SHAME on you Mitch for not mentioning it. SHAME! XD I hadn't thought of using Dockside though. OMG this is broken with Dockside
Doesn't work the way you want it to. The tokens from Myriad come in tapped and attacking, so are never declared as attacking for the purposes of Winota
I can see this being in the 99 of nearly all boros creature decks
Imagine getting to six mana in boros. Cries in Feather deck.
@@vaporeon344 I'm literally in the process of getting my feather deck (saving funds) lol
@@nightbane727 Great choice! Feather is SUPER budget friendly, I built mine under 20 dollars when I first made it.
@@vaporeon344 mine is running appropriately 80 but I do have a gold span in it lol
@@nightbane727 Out of curiosity, why did you choose goldspan? Targeting goldspan instead of feather with spells?
I'm really waiting for the day you say "It's Dockside Extortionist. It's a goblin pirate for...nah, just kidding, we all know what this fucker does."
How about sundial of the infinite which helps tokens stay on the battlefield which end the turn immediately and ignoring the "exile at the beginning of your end step".
Just built this deck with sundial and legion loyalty! I can’t wait to play it at our next commander night. Make 2 copies of all the creatures and keep them, so it again next turn and make 2 copies of each of the copies! Insane.
@@naytb1497 it is exile end of combat... so as worded they dissapear at the end of any combat step...
@@bradlyhaskell9821 this would be true if you decide to take youre second main phase however combat damage is resolved before the end of your combat phase so you can activate sundial right after damage and skip your mainphase.
Sundial of the Infinite would be fun so you can just end the turn and keep the tokens.
Bladegryf Prototype. Each opponent chooses a nonland permanent you don't control, and destroys them. This happens each turn. Every turn. So long as Ulder and Prototype are alive, but why wouldn't they be?
The ability actually stacks meaning 6 copies on a swing
Do you always read Reid Duke's name in that voice?
This is going into my Isshin deck
literally the first thought when i saw him. Was like ummm yea def going in my deck.
Oof
The tokens enter tapped and attacking, skipping the attack trigger
@@razzledazzle7863 but Myriad is an attack trigger... so you get 2 copies for each opponent that is not being attacked
Seems like it would be a fun deck, but that CMC really throws it off for me.
@@captianbacon Exactly, and i have played against some pretty nasty players that would counter him before he hits the field, then at that point, you won’t be able to get him out because now he costs 8 MANA, good luck with that.
@@captianbacon I feel like it would be stupidly busted as a 2 or 3 drop even if you lowered its PT to 1/1. I really can't see an effect like that below 4 or 5 CMC, and 4 would be really pushing it
Blinding Angel - Skip (multiple) combat phases) when it (or multiple ones) hit for damage.
The problem I see with this card: it doesn't do enough the turn you cast it - 6 mana is a lot so probably not using the "gives haste" part when he comes into play. So he becomes a "if I untap with this thing you guys are in trouble" card, which is likely to leave you as the Archenemy never to see a next turn.
It works as soon as you put it down if another creature attacks that combat step.this commander can be pretty good of you build it right.
@@Naturessightsandsounds7040 If you have another big creature in play that survived a round then yes - but in most cases it will have to survive a turn before really shining.
@@zonimi i guess it depends on the commander/build of the deck. casting this before combat is insane in an isshin deck built around attack triggers
also could be good in raiyuu/any other “attack alone” strategies, just stack your triggers so you attack alone and then the tokens are created
@@Moonscar1 That is very true (assuming the Myriad tokens activate Attack Triggers)
my first thought with this was aurelia the warleader?
im not sure if this is how this works, but i feel like aurelia might go infinite with duke. if you go to combat, give aurelia myriad, attack and trigger myriad and aurelia, you get the extra copies, legend rule down to one of the tokens, then aurelia triggers untapping the token aurelia and giving you an extra combat. if the token aurelia lives you go to your next combat, give the aurelia myriad and attack, does the aurelia trigger to give you yet another additional combat?
i think it might be yes because its the first time this token has been declared as an attacker, while it has been an attacker in combat before it has not been declared before.
might be wrong though this is just a guess. you run aurelia in the 99 of this guy regardless its just whether or not theres a combo
What do you mean “if the token lives” this doesn’t work with Aurelia at all myriad tokens die. The legend rule doesn’t protect the tokens. You can’t declare them as attackers.
@@regaleagle6533 in regards to the legend rule i was saying you could choose to keep a myriad token and then use that for the next round of combat
however youre absolutely right none of this matters because the myriad tokens disappear at the end of combat, i thought they disappeared at end of turn like encore tokens do
sad that this doesnt work the way i want it to but hey aurelia still does work in this deck
The token die, so no. close tho
Chancellor of the Forge is also tasty with this.
, ETB create a 1/1 goblin for each creature you control.
Tyrant of Discord too. ETB target opponent sacrifices a random permanent & if it's nonland then repeat.
At minimum Chancellor + Ulder will give you 4+8+16=28 tokens. PER TURN. Let's freakin go!
Oh my, my "let's clone Goblin Settler a bazillion times" strategy just got better.
Ughk
Duke Ulder Ravengard was my first commander I plan to rebuild a deck around him abusing his ability
I think I wanna put this guy in my Naya goad deck.
Looks like I'll have to find something to take out of my Isshin deck for this one.
Ah, a home for Fanatic of Mogis and Anax Hardened in the Forge
Unfortunately Anax doesn't work. He only triggers off non-tokens :( big sad
I feel like Ulder plus Captain of the watch would be pretty gross - Soldier tribal!
pretty fair actually. There's like 10 better options. I love it!!!
Why doesn't attack triggers work?
I'd build this guy into a Boros "artifacts matter" deck. Toss in some good mana rocks to accelerate into explosive plays. Run Quicksilver Amulet; Sneak Attack; Mirror Box; Blade of Selves; and Helm of the Host for a supreme jank lollapalooza experience.
After playing this guy in 4 games (on a $50 budget), and winning 3 of the 4 of them, I beg to agree. Amulet, Sneak Attack, and Mirror Box take up slots that neither ramp, are a threat, or draw cards. Thus, jank. Unless you also run Eldrazi, in which case Sneak Attack and Amulet are a combo
Can we copy legendary creature by myriad ?? that was broken the legendary rule ?? or it doesn't attack but etb and it was sacrifice instead(meaning leave the btf).
Would Port Razer work with this? Would you get 1 extra combat, 3 extra combats, or, if you rotated through hitting all 3 opponents with a different Port Razer each time, would you get 9 extra combats?
Sadly no, the trigger only happens with the original Port Razer, the tokens pretty much are only beatsticks.
@@jflowization you are correct and incorrect. You are correct that it would not work but the reason it would not work if not because of what you said. Copies of a creature count as a new creature so that's not an issue. The copy port razes would be just as effective as the real part razor.
The problem is the commander says that you target a creature and then it gains Myriad. Port razes second line of text says it cannot attack a player it has already attacked before this turn and Myriad can only trigger when you're attacking so the original part razor who is the creature who would be targeted with the Commander's ability would only ever be able to attack three times if you had three opponents and you connected. Corked razors inability to attack a player in has already attacked makes with the fact that you have to attack with it to trigger the Myriad ability is the reason it wouldn't work. Again I reiterate a copy of a new creature count as a new creature which means if you copied Port razor and you attacked a player who you already attacked with the original Port razor it would still work but in this situation the copies don't have myriad which is the cause of the problem.
Also I edited this in just in case you didn't understand, when a creature says its own name and its effect it is effectively saying "this card". That is why copies work because copies aren't the actual card that it's talking about when it says its name.
Wouldn't Combat Celebrant go infinite with this commander? It attacks, you exert and make 2 copies, rinse and repeat? Or is it a matter of trigger orders holding it back?
Combat Celebrant reads "you may exert it *as it attacks"* so no. The Myriad tokens enter already attacking so they never get the chance to be exerted
would Sundial of the infinite work with this commander to keep the tokens around?
Yea
If it copies your commander 3 times do they all count towards commander damage or only the original? Any sort of Boros or Mardu Voltron, Zurgo or Silvar, would benefit crazy from this I imagine
Only the original. The commander is the card itself, not any other creature that is a copy of it.
2 things, first, the tokens would not deal commander damage, that’s the answer to your question. Second thing is that the tokens of any legendary creature would fall under the legend rule where you can only have 1 of any legendary card on the battlefield at any given time, unless stated otherwise. Essentially just means the tokens you get from myriad wouldn’t even live long enough to deal damage.
Good to know, thanks all
Dang! myriad says exile. I was hoping it would say sacrifice, so we could copy some Blitzed creatures.
you could always run sac outlets too.
@@TheKensta88 Yeah, but that's true of any Blitz stuff. Would have been super efficient to just let them come into play and die. Oh well. Still a good Idea.
@@agentgrimm copying blitz creatures is no different than any other. Myriad tokens attack the same turn. You get no cards and haste. Pretty meh
That wouldn't work in the way I think you're hoping it to at any rate:
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
As such, the fact that you blitzed the original doesn't apply to any copies of it
Relentless assault wouldn't work that way though. You exile at the end of combat so you wouldn't double up on tokens.
Correct, but incorrect. Mitch was saying that The creature Ulder gave myriad to in the first combat would still have it, which is true. The tokens are gone, but the myriad keyword remains, and you get to add another one.
This is tempting for an artifact infect deck.
I think he can do good in the 99 of my doggies and gobbos deck with yoshi and rog
How about Coercive Recruiter, which temporarily gains control of 6 creatures (in a 4 player game) each turn? It's obsurd. SHAME on you Mitch for not mentioning it. SHAME! XD
I hadn't thought of using Dockside though. OMG this is broken with Dockside
OMG this and Isshin and extra attack builds can be stupid.
Two words: Winota. Staple.
Doesn't work the way you want it to. The tokens from Myriad come in tapped and attacking, so are never declared as attacking for the purposes of Winota
Can a creaure get "Myriad, Myriad"?
Yes, and each instance would trigger separately
Hun well not really my thing but I guess it's ok.
Can you imagine, this in the 99 or a Isshin deck, copying "It That Betrays".......
I just can't see it as a good option as a commander. Too expensive for the worst 2 color combinaison.
What makes it the worst color combination now and days? It's gotten such a boost over the last couple of years red/white is not what it used to be
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