Women like that aren't even girlfriend material, let alone wife material. It's good that she did this before marriage and saved him the cost of a divorce. You can't turn a 304 into a wife. At least not a loyal one.
"Opem relationships are becoming more and more common" I'm tired of hearing this absolute false narrative. How much more common? From 0.5% to 1% of all relationships? In all my 34 years of being alive in liberal and "progressive" California, I have only seen 2 couples in open relationships, and both are no longer together lol.
My step-grandson started dating a woman who was in an "open engagement." Yeah, she ended up leaving her fiance' and being "exclusive" with him - if you didn't count the OnlyFans and the Burlesque Dancing....he thought it was SO COOL that she was in an open relationship, until he was in a relationship with her....
99.7% of monogamous marriages that enter into an open marriage end in divorce within 5 years of opening with more than half within the first year. So save yourself time and just divorce and don’t look back.
I've seen a few and usually it ends with the husband, the one who didn't ask for it,marrying another woman a few months after the divorce, and the wife still saying random people
You are talking about a type of relationship that fails more than 90% of the time, even if both parties want it. However, if you do not feel human emotions, an open relationship is successful.
Statistics from divorce lawyers in North America suggest that only 3% of marriages are open, and 93% of open marriages end in divorce. So, simple probability would suggest 1-in-33 marriages are open and 1-in-14 don't end in divorce. In summary, you have a 0.21% (1-in-476) chance of being in an open marriage and not getting divorced.
Her: "i want an open relationship" Sure, no problem, first thing, the wedding is now off as I'm not going to vow to keep myself only for you and give that level of commitment whilst being in an open relationship. Second thing, you need to move out. Now our relationship is open and I'll treat you as an FWB and will no longer be committed to you, but we can still hang out.
So, she really wanted that open-relationship thing because she immediately hooked up with several guys after their breakup! Maybe she's already hooking up with other guys while they're engaged. Her friends just opened up the idea hoping Tim would concur. 😜🤪
She laid with random guys after the breakup, "Tim was solid", she acknowledges he was a future partner material and she demonstrated she isn't... Unless you want a quick fling
So, she got engaged and decided afterwards to suggest an open marriage? The time to discuss this would have been well before she agreed to marry him. And to ambush her fiance with friends and say, "It's just a discussion," only to then to belittle him, and threaten him with breaking up when he disagreed, was absolutely ridiculous! 😮 As soon as she brought this up, it's 100% clear that her and her friends were planning to cheat, and just wanted a free pass to do so. And it's certainly not progressive or positive if it's clearly going to hurt your spouse. 😒
the very instant the words "open relationships" get out of the mouth oif your gf or wife just break up and divorce if married. relation is done and unfixable. she'll cheat on you openly or behind your back, with or without your agrement (which you should NEVER give)
95% of relationships that started as exclusive and change to open relationships end in divorce. 95%!!!!! Bottom line is that marriage can work as an exclusive relationship but pretty much always fails if changed to an open relationship. The moment a GF or wife raises the topic of an open relationship your relationship is OVER. Start preparing for divorce or breakup. She almost always is already cheating or has a person in mind she wants to cheat with or is promiscuous and wants you to provide and support her while she continues to be promiscuous. There is no upside for a man who wants a life and family with a woman, wants to know who the actual father of their children is, wants a sexual relationship without stranger guys introducing STDs to the relationship through your wife. No upside at all.
He is very famous among the French and the English. These modern idiots say that everything that suits them is new. We should also take them back to the time of Alexander. 😂
open relationship is no relationships. If you don't have sexual EXCLUSIVITY why to commit and have a relationship at all. clearly somebody who wants to sleep withgother people do not love nor respect you
03:45. Once she even mentions open relationship and especially if she has your entire mutual friends group ganging up on you to coerce you into agreeing, it’s time to leave her there and prepare for the divorce because she is already cheating on you or has one or more other people lined up and waiting to jump in. Refuse to participate and walk.
07:45. The “ open, communicative relationship “ that you had only existed in the context of mutually agreed upon terms, goals and conditions. This open relationship is now an attempt to fundamentally alter the relationship paradigm of monogamy and exclusive commitment. Tim owes you nothing under these conditions.
She is so disrespectful and entitled. She wasted no time hooking up “out of frustration”. Women will use any excuse to be promiscuous. Notice how she “thinks she may have pushed too fast” says that she has no accountability and she still wants to force her progressive relationship ideas. He did the right thing- move on from her and the whole friend group.
Tim is the only one in that group of friends with his head on straight. All of them talking about open marriage and how "progressive" it is. See how "progressive" it is for them down the road when they come to realize open marriages kill relationships, they don't enhance it, or make it more adventurous as they all make it out to be.
Progress is finding a place of stability and contentment. If you have to keep going through life looking for something you want and change the idea of what you want, that's not progress but confusion.
Dude, if that girl would search up of how open relationship would turn out. One word, Bad fucking bad. 99% or somewhat 100% would end like how the story would turn out.
Colleague, i haven’t been able to comment on your i’ve been coding for a long time stories, but the flashbacks didn’t turn out well. By the way, for an open relationship to work, you’d need to rid yourself of human emotions
So, she wanted Tim to be her provider and protector while other men would have her for free. It's a great idea.
Yep! This because she is such a catch he can't find better. 🙄🙄She is delusional.
Gentlemen as soon as it's mentioned you EXIT the relationship ASAP.
Yup. Just asking for it is DISRESPECT enough…. The group ambush TRIPLES it..
If they bring it up, the trust is gone!!!
@@theinkshrink88 Yes. Watch out for who is giving you advice. They may have a vested interest in it.
And always pay attention to those little"innocent"questions they ask to get your"opinion" on the subject.
Exactly. It's never "just a conversation." If they bring it up, more than likely you're already in an open relationship but don't know.
It sure was nice of them to ambush
Tim before he was trapped in marriage.
The dissolution of their relationship is so much easier now.
One of the biggest red flag, the person you trust the most blind sides you.
Women like that aren't even girlfriend material, let alone wife material. It's good that she did this before marriage and saved him the cost of a divorce. You can't turn a 304 into a wife. At least not a loyal one.
Best comment here. He sees what she really is before marriage. No nasty divorce to deal with.
"Opem relationships are becoming more and more common" I'm tired of hearing this absolute false narrative. How much more common? From 0.5% to 1% of all relationships? In all my 34 years of being alive in liberal and "progressive" California, I have only seen 2 couples in open relationships, and both are no longer together lol.
My step-grandson started dating a woman who was in an "open engagement." Yeah, she ended up leaving her fiance' and being "exclusive" with him - if you didn't count the OnlyFans and the Burlesque Dancing....he thought it was SO COOL that she was in an open relationship, until he was in a relationship with her....
99.7% of monogamous marriages that enter into an open marriage end in divorce within 5 years of opening with more than half within the first year. So save yourself time and just divorce and don’t look back.
I've seen a few and usually it ends with the husband, the one who didn't ask for it,marrying another woman a few months after the divorce, and the wife still saying random people
Not to mention STDs
@@NotSleepy-r5y - she wasn't his, it was merely his turn
"Open relationship" is just another word for "breakup."
I believe it's just a way to cheat with permission!
No open relationship is a term for cheating. Breakup is the proper response to it.
She tried a bait & switch on him. A narcissistic devious disgusting plan.
Anyone else notice how she hooks up with some randos almost immediately. She's for the streets. Dude dodged a bullet.
Open minded in this case means having no morals. No real relationship will survive with a partner like that.
I would never tolerate having my partner's circle of friends having a roundtable discussion on a relationship that they're not in.
That's OK becuz it is a relationship I wud not be involved in anymore either?
Open relationships fail 100% of the time if one party objects.
It’s still fails overwhelmingly when both parties are into it.
You are talking about a type of relationship that fails more than 90% of the time, even if both parties want it. However, if you do not feel human emotions, an open relationship is successful.
80% of the time if both agree.
Statistics from divorce lawyers in North America suggest that only 3% of marriages are open, and 93% of open marriages end in divorce. So, simple probability would suggest 1-in-33 marriages are open and 1-in-14 don't end in divorce. In summary, you have a 0.21% (1-in-476) chance of being in an open marriage and not getting divorced.
Her: "i want an open relationship"
Sure, no problem, first thing, the wedding is now off as I'm not going to vow to keep myself only for you and give that level of commitment whilst being in an open relationship. Second thing, you need to move out. Now our relationship is open and I'll treat you as an FWB and will no longer be committed to you, but we can still hang out.
So, she really wanted that open-relationship thing because she immediately hooked up with several guys after their breakup! Maybe she's already hooking up with other guys while they're engaged. Her friends just opened up the idea hoping Tim would concur. 😜🤪
"Pushed too hard, too fast" = "I tried to force him, prematurely."
Another of the ones that will change him then say he's not the man I married. 🤣🤣🤣
She laid with random guys after the breakup, "Tim was solid", she acknowledges he was a future partner material and she demonstrated she isn't... Unless you want a quick fling
She just wants to cheat with no consequences
She realized she pushed to hard to fast? Still doesn’t understand that the moment she opened her mouth and even suggested it , it was over.
So, she got engaged and decided afterwards to suggest an open marriage? The time to discuss this would have been well before she agreed to marry him. And to ambush her fiance with friends and say, "It's just a discussion," only to then to belittle him, and threaten him with breaking up when he disagreed, was absolutely ridiculous! 😮 As soon as she brought this up, it's 100% clear that her and her friends were planning to cheat, and just wanted a free pass to do so. And it's certainly not progressive or positive if it's clearly going to hurt your spouse. 😒
the very instant the words "open relationships" get out of the mouth oif your gf or wife just break up and divorce if married. relation is done and unfixable. she'll cheat on you openly or behind your back, with or without your agrement (which you should NEVER give)
95% of relationships that started as exclusive and change to open relationships end in divorce. 95%!!!!! Bottom line is that marriage can work as an exclusive relationship but pretty much always fails if changed to an open relationship. The moment a GF or wife raises the topic of an open relationship your relationship is OVER. Start preparing for divorce or breakup. She almost always is already cheating or has a person in mind she wants to cheat with or is promiscuous and wants you to provide and support her while she continues to be promiscuous. There is no upside for a man who wants a life and family with a woman, wants to know who the actual father of their children is, wants a sexual relationship without stranger guys introducing STDs to the relationship through your wife. No upside at all.
Open relationships are "new and profressive"?
Guess they've never heard of Lord Byron...
He is very famous among the French and the English. These modern idiots say that everything that suits them is new. We should also take them back to the time of Alexander. 😂
open relationship is no relationships. If you don't have sexual EXCLUSIVITY why to commit and have a relationship at all. clearly somebody who wants to sleep withgother people do not love nor respect you
Conversations like that mean the party's over. Time to call it a day.
Even discussing an open relationship means she no longer loves or respects you and that likely she's already cheating
03:45. Once she even mentions open relationship and especially if she has your entire mutual friends group ganging up on you to coerce you into agreeing, it’s time to leave her there and prepare for the divorce because she is already cheating on you or has one or more other people lined up and waiting to jump in. Refuse to participate and walk.
Best to find some new friends as well.
Riiight... she was just testing the waters. Went on hook-ups right they broke up. She was 34 in the closet.
07:45. The “ open, communicative relationship “ that you had only existed in the context of mutually agreed upon terms, goals and conditions. This open relationship is now an attempt to fundamentally alter the relationship paradigm of monogamy and exclusive commitment. Tim owes you nothing under these conditions.
I don't get it. People like Kelly want an open relationship but don't want to have the ultimate open relationship of being single.
I love how these poly people say it’s the new thing and how they think we are old fashioned
Yet polyamory is as old as the human race
She is so disrespectful and entitled. She wasted no time hooking up “out of frustration”. Women will use any excuse to be promiscuous. Notice how she “thinks she may have pushed too fast” says that she has no accountability and she still wants to force her progressive relationship ideas. He did the right thing- move on from her and the whole friend group.
Tim is the only one in that group of friends with his head on straight. All of them talking about open marriage and how "progressive" it is. See how "progressive" it is for them down the road when they come to realize open marriages kill relationships, they don't enhance it, or make it more adventurous as they all make it out to be.
Yep, sure open relationship.
And later on, she'll came crying that some side piece got her pregnant, but "WE can fix this".
Open relationships are death to relationships, you will always wonder if she gets pregnant if that kid is yours or someone elses.
304 hie dodged an std and an expensive divorce
Well done
Relationships are not changing, they are dying. She was never his just his turn.
Progress is finding a place of stability and contentment. If you have to keep going through life looking for something you want and change the idea of what you want, that's not progress but confusion.
My questions would be how often are STD tests taken and who pays for the babies DNA test ?
Open relationships are not more common but usually it’s happening but one doesn’t know it.
Why buy the cow if others get to drink the milk for free.
In West hookup culture is like door to hell mostly women are dying with cats or dog in there side only .
This culture need to delete from system.
What the hell about open relationship is "liberating"???
Dude, if that girl would search up of how open relationship would turn out. One word, Bad fucking bad. 99% or somewhat 100% would end like how the story would turn out.
Do you think she wanted him to pay and raise her partners kid too?
If I was in that situation, I'd feel like I was on trial..
"Progressive" is a code word for "stupid".
Tim dodged a nuke
Kelly with a L just like her friends 😅😅😅😅
She says, "I don't know if there's a way back." There isn't.
I would be out of the house in a nanosecond.
the timeline is confused and Mark changes to Jim and back to Mark
17:30. Meow!!!
Colleague, i haven’t been able to comment on your i’ve been coding for a long time stories, but the flashbacks didn’t turn out well. By the way, for an open relationship to work, you’d need to rid yourself of human emotions
Fix your transcripts please, they are never completed