Filmed December 11th 2023. I had not posted this video until now as it was a weird day for me and reliving it in video is difficult. I mentioned in a past video about how a lunatic tried to run me off the road and was following me for 5 miles continuing to try to run me off the road - well that incident was on the way to film this video, then when I started filming my batteries started dying quickly on all my equipment as if my own stressful energy was draining them. The stress of the event is what I believe kicked off an immune response that then lead me to be hospitalized and having a 100+ degree fever for over a month. I was carrying Epstein Barr virus as well as Bartonella Henselae (Cat Scratch Fever) simultaneously - so having multiple illnesses, being immunocompromised along with the extra stress, made my immune system go haywire. I was sick for about 6 weeks recovering, lost 20 lbs and it wasn't until late January before I regained my health and strength. So while this test is pretty lame due to it being cheap .22 WMR and .380 ACP ammo, it reminds me of the end of 2023 which wasn't great!
Sam, that's terrible. It's enough stress to make you sick. It's good to hear that you're on the upswing. Good job keeping your head and not trying to shoot the guy. Then you would reeaally be stressed. Take care.
So glad you’re doing better Sam.I know what it’s like to have prolonged health problems where you can’t just try harder or be tougher to resume some normalcy. Some things just have to run their course. Appreciate your openness and dedication to continue.
Nice. They give you a special “Carry in the Chamber” round. No primer, no powder, no chance of an accidental discharge. It’s safe for people who are not willing to carry a fully loaded pistol!
Both bullets are yawing@pitching considerably after approx 70 yards of flight. That means flesh wounds at such distances (if you manage to hit) is even worse than at point blank range
Very interesting video! Glad you recovered from the "incident" Thanks for the video! This is an interesting topic that seniors may be interested in because of the recoil of other calibers like 9mm and 38SPL. I would love to see a comparison between the 22Magnum and the 38 SPL Short from Magtech, but I think you already said in another comment that you no longer have that 38 ammo. Thanks again for the video!!
Hey Sam, I ordered Buffalo Bore 125g Tactical Low-Recoil Short Barrel 357. Mag Ammo not knowingly realizing it wasn't heavy 125g. I'm thinking about returning that and going with heavy 158g. It is worth the hassle and effort to convert considering this would be SD ammo being shot out of a 4.2" barrel.
I carry my LCP almost exclusively now and put about 100 rounds of FMJ & HP down range last week. This little gun is accurate out to 10 yds, and my hand was sore for the better part of the week.
DDR recently posted some budget defense Fiocchi 38 Spl that did pretty well too. The nice thing about budget ammo is you can practice with it. At least it's a nice thing if it performs well enough. Good video. I see from your pinned comment why there is no snow. Also the strange days thing.
Thanks Sam, for the speedy reply. Have the Ruger LCRX in .22 WMR in both 2 inch snubby and the bigger 3-inch version. Love em both. All the best. "The JJ" SW Penna. Note: I generally shoot the Federal 50 grain Game Shok in both.
Sam love your videos. I would like to see a comparison on the 357sig out of a compact. Of say a 3 and half inch barrel. The compact is what most people carry nowadays.
As a reloader that has dozens of dummy rounds from checking COAL fitment in guns, I guess that basically makes me Fiocchi. Not sure if I feel sad about myself or not.
Hey Sam off topic question. Some of the 357 mag like federal hydro shock doesn't seem to expand from 2in barrels. Do you think 3in barrels will expand those and majority of others? Thanks
I haven't gel tested it, but I have tested in other methods the Hydrashok .357 Mag in a 2" and it did fine. There's no reason why it wouldn't or shouldn't expand from a 2" barrel.
@ZeroXSEED it's not something I would choose, but the reason someone might choose 32 over 22 is centerfire cartridges are way more reliable. Both in ignition and feeding. I eventually decided not to carry anything less than 9mm. With today's micros, there isn't any reason an "average" person should carry anything else. I can conceal a full-size pistol with minor effort and a micro with almost no effort. If you're not concerned about capacity, I have a 5 shot 357 mag revolver that easily drops in a pocket. There is a long but well done video by Paul Harrell on 22 reliability.
The old .22 WRM is better than .38 Special, goes back to the ancient days of the 1960s. A comparison would be a .22 Magnum Hollow Point, Rifle Ammo, not modern pistol ammo verses .38 Special LRN both out of 2" barrels. Geoff Who read "No Second Place Winner" by Bill Jordan as an impressionable youth.
@@chrisf572 Buffalo Bore and Underwood, some are 125 gr XTP and some are 158 gr LSWC bullets. The lead ones are closer to 500 ft lbs energy in my 4" 686.
@@FoulPet Absolutely, but I am looking for HISTORICAL context, not the fruits of 60 years of development with computer aided design and evolving technology. Looking for the root of the story.
Filmed December 11th 2023. I had not posted this video until now as it was a weird day for me and reliving it in video is difficult. I mentioned in a past video about how a lunatic tried to run me off the road and was following me for 5 miles continuing to try to run me off the road - well that incident was on the way to film this video, then when I started filming my batteries started dying quickly on all my equipment as if my own stressful energy was draining them.
The stress of the event is what I believe kicked off an immune response that then lead me to be hospitalized and having a 100+ degree fever for over a month. I was carrying Epstein Barr virus as well as Bartonella Henselae (Cat Scratch Fever) simultaneously - so having multiple illnesses, being immunocompromised along with the extra stress, made my immune system go haywire. I was sick for about 6 weeks recovering, lost 20 lbs and it wasn't until late January before I regained my health and strength. So while this test is pretty lame due to it being cheap .22 WMR and .380 ACP ammo, it reminds me of the end of 2023 which wasn't great!
Glad to hear you made a full recovery Sam. Luckily for you, god never sends anything your way that you can’t handle! Thank you for the great content.
Thank you.
Sam, that's terrible. It's enough stress to make you sick. It's good to hear that you're on the upswing. Good job keeping your head and not trying to shoot the guy. Then you would reeaally be stressed. Take care.
I'd wondered what had you down. I'm glad you recovered from it. To be honest, the last 3 years has been some kind of Hell for most people in the USA.
@@mapleridgeoutdoors4136cringe 🤦♂️
So glad you’re doing better Sam.I know what it’s like to have prolonged health problems where you can’t just try harder or be tougher to resume some normalcy. Some things just have to run their course. Appreciate your openness and dedication to continue.
Thanks a lot!
Nice. They give you a special “Carry in the Chamber” round. No primer, no powder, no chance of an accidental discharge. It’s safe for people who are not willing to carry a fully loaded pistol!
Would honestly make a good training round. Blindly loading magazines with that in the mix to practice misfire drills. Not as fun in revolvers!
Thanks young man , enjoyed as always.Stay safe and be healthy.😻
What a great teaser. Nice.
Both bullets are yawing@pitching considerably after approx 70 yards of flight. That means flesh wounds at such distances (if you manage to hit) is even worse than at point blank range
Glad your felling better, another great video. I carry my 380 every day. Light enough for carry and super easy to conceal...
Thank you
Very interesting video! Glad you recovered from the "incident" Thanks for the video! This is an interesting topic that seniors may be interested in because of the recoil of other calibers like 9mm and 38SPL. I would love to see a comparison between the 22Magnum and the 38 SPL Short from Magtech, but I think you already said in another comment that you no longer have that 38 ammo. Thanks again for the video!!
You weren’t missing a primer on the one round, Fiocchi sent you a key chain 😂🤣
With newer 380’s going back to longer barrels in conjunction with 12+ round magazines you can accurately place more 380 than 22 magnum bullets.
M&P 22 has a 30 mag available if you feel the need to go Rambo.
GS. Always a good and interesting video. Thanks for your work on these videos. Take care.
Hey Sam, I ordered Buffalo Bore 125g Tactical Low-Recoil Short Barrel 357. Mag Ammo not knowingly realizing it wasn't heavy 125g. I'm thinking about returning that and going with heavy 158g. It is worth the hassle and effort to convert considering this would be SD ammo being shot out of a 4.2" barrel.
@00:50 Oke Dokey Fiocchi ..........
I carry my LCP almost exclusively now and put about 100 rounds of FMJ & HP down range last week. This little gun is accurate out to 10 yds, and my hand was sore for the better part of the week.
Yeah I don’t really enjoy shooting more than about 20 rounds in my lcp II
Is the lcp really all that bad to shoot? Ive not shot one but i almost find the P3AT pleasant feeling.
Try a Hogue grip. Your LCP will be a little wider, but it helps a little on the sting.
DDR recently posted some budget defense Fiocchi 38 Spl that did pretty well too. The nice thing about budget ammo is you can practice with it. At least it's a nice thing if it performs well enough.
Good video. I see from your pinned comment why there is no snow. Also the strange days thing.
Thanks. I saw his video lol
Isn't Federal Punch .22 WMR a defensive round? Love your videos.
Yes, and I just tested it and it didn't perform very well.
Thanks Sam, for the speedy reply. Have the Ruger LCRX in .22 WMR in both 2 inch snubby and the bigger 3-inch version. Love em both. All the best. "The JJ" SW Penna. Note: I generally shoot the Federal 50 grain Game Shok in both.
Isn't the .22WMR cartridge primarily a rifle cartridge? To obtain full potential a longer barrel might be needed.
It was designed to be a rifle cartridge but the first firearm in .22 WMR was a revolver.
Most pistols rounds don't reach their full potential in 5" barrels.
Look at it this way, you got a free dummy round from Fiocchi to practice jam clearing. A nice bonus in the box.
Sam love your videos. I would like to see a comparison on the 357sig out of a compact. Of say a 3 and half inch barrel. The compact is what most people carry nowadays.
Hornady makes a critical defense 22wmr. It's a 45 gr ftx rated 1000 fps from a 1 7/8 bbl.
As a reloader that has dozens of dummy rounds from checking COAL fitment in guns, I guess that basically makes me Fiocchi. Not sure if I feel sad about myself or not.
Hey Sam off topic question. Some of the 357 mag like federal hydro shock doesn't seem to expand from 2in barrels. Do you think 3in barrels will expand those and majority of others? Thanks
I haven't gel tested it, but I have tested in other methods the Hydrashok .357 Mag in a 2" and it did fine. There's no reason why it wouldn't or shouldn't expand from a 2" barrel.
No😮 primer - now that's a QC issue that can cost lives. Check your ammo people - thanks for letting us know Sam!
Cold isn't kind to batteries
Thanks
TBH 380 ACP is awkward but serviceable. I'd question people who would carry 32 snub over 22 WMR anytime. Like, why?
handloads?
Not a rimfire
@@FoulPet Yeah but why 32 tho
@ZeroXSEED it's not something I would choose, but the reason someone might choose 32 over 22 is centerfire cartridges are way more reliable. Both in ignition and feeding. I eventually decided not to carry anything less than 9mm. With today's micros, there isn't any reason an "average" person should carry anything else. I can conceal a full-size pistol with minor effort and a micro with almost no effort. If you're not concerned about capacity, I have a 5 shot 357 mag revolver that easily drops in a pocket.
There is a long but well done video by Paul Harrell on 22 reliability.
22mag rivals 32acp!!!
Have you ever tried 380 truncated cone solids?
No
There was a YT test and the flat nose penetrated more than the round nose! I was stunned and shocked!
@@geofftimm2291 Not surprising. Flat nose FMJ bullets always penetrate more than round nose ones.
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The old .22 WRM is better than .38 Special, goes back to the ancient days of the 1960s. A comparison would be a .22 Magnum Hollow Point, Rifle Ammo, not modern pistol ammo verses .38 Special LRN both out of 2" barrels. Geoff Who read "No Second Place Winner" by Bill Jordan as an impressionable youth.
Well yeah maybe, with LRN lol. The .38 Special I often use is in excess of 400 ft lbs energy and expands huge.
@@GunSamwhat 38 special hits those numbers? That’s impressive!
@@chrisf572 Buffalo Bore and Underwood, some are 125 gr XTP and some are 158 gr LSWC bullets. The lead ones are closer to 500 ft lbs energy in my 4" 686.
The best comparison is the best available ammo today vs. the best available ammo today.
@@FoulPet Absolutely, but I am looking for HISTORICAL context, not the fruits of 60 years of development with computer aided design and evolving technology. Looking for the root of the story.
288 ft/lbs from Underwood’s .380 90 grain +p XTP. Test real ammo before making claims like this not watered down BS
Really ammo starts at 9mm