Somerton Man cold case: The body-on-the-beach murder mystery | Australian Story
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- "Somerton Man" was found resting against the sea wall at Adelaide's suburban Somerton Beach. Peaceful; passers-by thought he was sleeping.
Except the quality of his clothes - the highly polished new shoes, the neatness of his grooming - indicated he was not the kind of man who would be sleeping outside.
After his body was found at 6:40am on December 1, 1948, no-one would come to claim him. No-one ever has and "Somerton Man" has become one of Australia's most enduring mysteries.
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I live in Adelaide & am currently reading "Taman Shud, the Somerton Man mystery" by Kerry Greenwood. There is no mention of ballet in the book. Kerry thinks the man may have been a mariner, specifically a "Cargo Master" due to a collection of tools that he had in his suitcase. Very interesting, seeing the same facts presented but with different interpretations.
Could be both. Could have been a dancer in his youth and then drifted off into a different direction. This theory here seems very plausible and I am most intrigued at the role of grandma might have had in getting rid of grandpa
How about a footballer?
How sad is it that the relationship with her biological mother broke down because of her relationship with her husband. Why cant some people just be happy that their family member has found love and be accepting of it. It's so sad!
I wonder if it's because he's delving into a family history that the mother is aware of but for reasons unknown, doesn't want to share or have brought out in the open. The boy might well have told her something about the Somerton man that she felt was best left unknown.
Deeply I myself have experienced this with my partner's child and her strange kind of jealous streak in her an Jst Can't let her mum be with anyone If not her woman hitting father Even alow I've did all one could to go out my way to do stuff for this kid, But hey What can ya do The Show Must Go On I Say !
Maybe he's a creep.
Aelith & Josh Carter maybe jealousy... got her daughter back and didn’t want to share her. It looks like the daughter was helping her mother with costumes for the ballet so involved in her life a lot, living for ballet then she met a man. I think her mother would have been a pain no matter who the daughter got together with.
Perhaps the Somerton Man mystery case has something to do...
To me the mystery isn't what happened to him - it's discovering who is. I think there's such an amazing story there. I think he was the father of Jo Thomson's child.
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
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I was just looking at their photos near one another, specifically the photo of Jo Thompson smiling and her teeth. I’m wondering if Jo also had missing upper incisors? If they were related it could be a reason to hide their past liaison.
I think he wanted to pursue a relationship despite whatever was preventing it. I think he was rejected and went on to remove all identifying aspects from himself, put the note in his clothing (Taman shud - it has ended, referring to the relationship ending and so has his life), he took poison and lay down on the beach to smoke a cigarette and watch the sea as he died. I think he killed himself close to Jo to make a statement to her, as she would certainly learn of a man being found dead in her area. Perhaps he didn’t want to expose her so he did his best to disguise all identifying features to protect her? Or perhaps he tried to make it seem more suspicious (I don’t know why he threw the book into the cab instead of a bin where it wouldn’t be found) and frame her after her rejection?
In any case I hope DNA can solve part of the mystery and he can finally be identified.
If the man was a cousin or a relative I would think Jo Thompson would claim his body and explain that he had her phone number for that reason. I have read that the Somerton Man was thought to have visited her house right before his death but no one was home at the time. A neighbor claimed to have seen him. I am not sure if that is true. If that is the case and the police were asking her about it she could explain it away as he was simply looking for somewhere to stay before he left again. There is almost certainly a connection. If he was simply a relative then she must have thought it was too dangerous to admit to a connection.
I said the exact same thing it does look like the nurse has no lateral incisors if you google her image and look at in closely... but then that could just be a sharp looking incisor or it might just be the angle/blurriness of the photo.
My thought too. Forbidden love.
@@violagentsch I was more alluding to the idea that maybe he might not even be the father of the nurses son because she has those teeth and that's where the son got them from.
@@violagentsch I don't think it is illegal to have children with or marry your first cousin in Australia. I am not sure.
You would think Rachel's mother Roma would have known some information about the Thomson family through her relationship with Robin Thomson.
Is it just me or is it weird that there's a painting of 'Mr Somerton' in the kids playroom and they talk to it?
Wtf that's so Od an Rather disturbing mabie Someone's idea of a sick kinda twisted secret joke
They were only explaining who the person was to the film maker.
Their whole situation was weird.
It is very weird.
What’s honestly weirder is that in the painting ‘Mr Somerton’ is wearing the shirt and tie he literally died in
“The next day we decided to get married” mate where is this story going
yea n she mentioned the next day in his hotel room. So... did they spend the night together after their 1st dinner?
well that escaleted quickly
@@provenxreaperx - LMAO! Right!
@@starrysnow7445 I mean he had to get her DNA somehow...
@@thanbananmanspeedruns3930 lol
Yassssss dig him up and get his DNA
Hopefully the Russians don't prevent this...
The body has be dug up
@@KyraPrinceCheryl he’s not Russian
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" Go placidly amidst the noise and haste " etc.
Well said
That is so pretty,& so true! Thank you!
Beautiful! Is this part of a book? Did a famous poet write it? Or did you write it?
What an unusual story. Twists & turns and of all things a love story out of the investigation. Thanks for this video, fascinating.
This was wonderful, both so lucky to find each other, and all over the curiosity of an unidentified man.
The ballet connection is very interesting.
Russians love the ballet. There was a report that Jo Thompson spoke Russian.
the is a connection with Rachel and her parents, and her children, but no connection to the summerton man, big calves is not proof that he had anything to do with ballet
It would be so great to see how such a trait, such a skill and passion would transfer from one generation to the next. Both my Parents were very talented Musicians. I hated it. Hated Piano, hated Flute, never got to play the Sax like I wanted and fingers were too short for Guitar. My Son already has 3 Guitars. What happened ???
It mostly has to do with genetics and/or using the muscles regularly during adolescence. Sports, running, cycling, growing up in a place with a lots of hills, or simply doing none of these thing can lead to a person having well developed calves. Prof. Abbot is a hack.
John Howard what do u mean by hack?
I really hope that he will be identified through this story/investigation . I can see the resemblance with Mr. Somerton and her father. The mother's reaction at the morgue to him says it all .
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
There is a new episode confirming it ;)
Episodes like this are the reason I am a regular listener. I have never heard of this before, fascinating.
A mystery case ending in a beautiful family! I wish the lovely couple and their children all the best! 💖💖💖
i am definitely going to research as much as possible... however i can almost guarantee foul play based off the fact that the nurse denied knowing him and then all of a sudden goes on the run, knowing that she is a nurse with a knowledge of materials that could poison and leave no trace. Clearly she knew him when asked to identify based on her reaction. Then there is the pressing issue i hold high on the list and not the first time i have encountered this very same effort in a murder that today remains unsolved, based off the case from the 90s at the Ozlo Plaza( now Radison Blu), all forms of identification where removed entirely from clothes and personal belongings are nowhere to be found.
"He wanted to look at my ears and my teeth. He also was after my dna." - story gets kinky.
"I've been 'utilizing' her DNA"
John H. 😂😂😂
I bet she's had loads of his DNA over the years.
And he’s “extracted” hers as well.
Hey, it's Adelaide, don't judge.
Thank you for this incredible video!! It made me sad in the beginning, but a lovely Family is here because of The Somerton Man. I believe there will be answers . Such good investigating!! He won't ever be forgotten. RIP. , Sir.
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
There are look up Somerton Man here on UA-cam and watch it.
Gees i hate that there is no ending on this one.. lol
Crazy Sven this isn’t what is called a “loss leader”
She looks like him, her son looks like him, therefore he was her father. Somerton Man looks Hungarian. Egan looks Hungarian. After WW2 refugees in countries like Hungary were given clothes from charities often with the labels removed.English was not his first language. The letters, the code is simply the first letter of each word of a speech he made to someone so he couold remember what he was to say in English.
My feelings exactly, ever since first discovering this mystery.
How do you figure that they look Hungarian? I'm curious.
Well, I can't describe it, but the Slavic look is there. The whole, jagged look of the face, the attached earlobes, the teeth, the strong jaw, IDK.
Australian Opal Australian Opal interesting, have u contacted prof. Abbott with your theory?
@Christina M: hungarians arent slavic. They are uralic just like me. Thats a huge difference, we arent indoeuropean people.
The story is interesting up until the "love story".
I think it's awesome.
Eh
its beut, it brought them together and im glad somerton man has people claiming him as family and explaining their kids to him. I would want to have a mark after my death instead of a unmarked grave with people calling me 'the somerton girl' lmao so yeah its cute. Of all the love stories I have seen this is top 5 for circumstances and fate aligning perfectly.
There is millions of unanswered questions, and identifying him didnt help at all.
1. WHY somebody (or himself?) went through such a great measure -- such as removing all the clothing lables -- to conceal his identity?
2. WHY his own family didn't bother to come forward to identify him?
3. The prase "Tamam Shud" means the end, the finish. What's the connetion of that term with his mysterious death, and for that matter, his life? Was his life as secretive as his death?
4. The handwritten piece of paper, who wrote it? Was it code? What did they mean? WHY was he carrying it?
5. A man turned that book to the police, claimed that it was left in his car 6 months prior to the body turned up on the beach. So obviously, he didnt know the connection between the book and a man's death. So why did he decided to keep that book, in stead of either throw it away or turn it to the police right away?
"Tamam Shud" piece was found in June 1949. That was when the police asked the public about the Rubaiyat. Six months after the body was found. The Rubaiyat was found, tossed into the car, in late November 1948.
also idk if they covered this cause I’m in the middle of the video but apparently him and his brother shared a car because they couldn’t afford two. so they just assumed it was each others then when the police came out they realized that was the copy of the book and they found the missing piece
@@austenforeman5814 The book is also linked to other deaths. One I believe was also unsolved. It happened before this one. The others after this one.
@@sarahbartlett1196 The man's clothing was immaculate by all accounts. The paper was found in clothing from a suitcase, that may have belonged to the man.
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
Im here after watching Ryan and Shane 100th episode of Buzzfeed Unsolved
Me too
Same here
Watched it too a few days ago. I saw the 1st episode too.
It was also the very first one they did
I hope they soon finally lay him to rest with his birth name. Prof gave me the creeps a bit, I’m curious as to if his obsession tipped over the line when he met Rachel and realised she ‘might’ be the granddaughter?!
That's an interesting thought. I wasn't creeped out initially, but his last statements at the graveside were just a little bizarre and, as you alluded to, a sign of a real obsession. I guess sometimes people are drawn together over a commonality, so maybe that was the spark for her too? Based on this story though, I'd be inclined to agree with his theory as to his relationship with the nurse, Jo and her son.
If I was to offer one amateur psychological theory as to why he died the way he did and seemed to have cryptic clues with the book page and missing clothing labels? Well, if it's true he was a ballet dancer, he would also be a thespian (as I once was), and thespian types love a bit of theatrics in their lives. Maybe he felt like he was nothing without Jo and his son in his life. So many possibilities and such a sad circumstance.
Yeah now he's related.
Quite honestly they're both a bit strange..
His last name’s Thompson
@@BradGryphonn Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
I was hesitant to watch this based on the first couple minutes....but it all gets tied together very nicely in the end.
*This is what I think*
but if he had a cigarette box and the inside of the cigarettes were different (I heard this from Stephane soo) and he died in the middle of smoking a cigarette and people think it was poision that killed him, what if the cigarette had poision on the tip or was poisonous?
Is it possible?
This is the best video I've seen on the somerton man it explains stuff in a lot more detail
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
I'm still watching this but my guess says that Nurse Thompson was actually the daughter of the Somerton Man not a lover. She looks like the Somerton Man. So no, that was her father and they might have had some falling out over something. I think the granddaughter would be great granddaughter not granddaughter. Also, I think Professor Abbott and the "granddaughter" are creepy! Furthermore, who hangs a picture of in your living room of two people you "assume" to be related to you and teach your children that they are related to them without proof?!
I agree they look related. I was thinking maybe she was a younger sister to him. I hadn't considered a father daughter relation. I think you might be on to something!
Georgii Balanchivadze had the same type of ear. The Somerton man might have be a relation to a well-known ballet dancer, probably from Uzbekistan.
I’m sorry but the professor who married the possible granddaughter gives me a very creepy feeling. There’s something about him that’s not quite right. He is obsessed at collecting all of the Somerton mans details and info and even going as far as collecting the somerton mans possible grand daughter. If she is found not to be the grand daughter then I wonder how long he will stick around.
Yes, the professor seems to be a creep. He is strangely obsessed with the case, so much so that he married the possible "granddaughter". To add even more creepiness is having a portrait painted of the Somerton mystery man and the nurse and then telling the kids that it is definitely their grandfather!
luckily the professor seems loaded, he'll be able to afford the exhumation
Ha ha
The tags wouldnt have been removed to cover up the murder/suicide, the tags would have been removed to avoid identifying a spy if he were to die.
I really hope they solve this. Poor Mr Somerton 😢
His last name’s Thompson and he killed ‘imself after his wife got a new partner.
Carl Charles Webb
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
Missing labels are often mentioned in connection with spies. It could have been donated clothing as well. All my grandfather's suits had a silver name crest on the inside chest lining. His shirts & pants were cleaned more often so his name was on tags inside. All these had to be removed before we could give them away. Perhaps his was an out of work dancer from another country who had to see his son & saw his love had gotten married ? The lady involved should have been pressed a bit more shortly after the viewing the death mask once she had time to settle a bit.
I don't think the lady who was asked to view the body would have ever wanted to admit a relationship (including a child) with this man especially as she had met someone else and was about to marry.
@@kevinblythe2192 Surely other people at the time of the first investigation would have seen the nurse and the dead man together at some point--hospital employees, neighbors, etc., or she would have mentioned him to others or to family members, given that she had a child.
They should have interrogated/waterboarded her until she told them the truth! She was a nurse, I think she poisoned him.
Yeah, everything was consistent with being a spy. The carefully removed, identifiable information in clothing and the autopsy suggests that the death was via ingestion of poison (spies are known to carry, for the most part untraceable, poisons to be ingested when discovery is inevitable). The code written in another language that was found in a secret pocket translates to "ended" or "finished", at any level could simply be a codeword for a variety of purposes other than his life being ended. This man intentionally went and sat at the beach and ingested poison for unknown reasons. This fact is proven by the lack of signs of a struggle or signs of the person experiencing pain, in their immediate surroundings.
They just did his dna & traced him to his family he is Australian ! Just a regular guy. I heard this a few weeks ago on Gray Hughes Investigates. The episode with Colleen Fitzpatrick the owner of the DNA lab that invented the process of tracing the genetic material to build family trees & thus finding where the subject fits into a family.
Wow this is an interesting case indeed! When can we know the DNA results?
Technology needed doesnt exist yet, from the hair that is... If they exume him that isnt the case. 🤔
There are already several results. The woman is not related to him. Dude died through poisoning. The question remains tho, did he get killed or was it suicide? People saw him waving his hands and thought the acted drunk.
How I see, based on the poison and taking into account that he had cigarettes on him that contained botacco that belonged to another brand, he might easily have been poisoned by some other spy (if he was a spy).
The codes and notes are indeed a hint and suggest he indeed may have been a spy (maybe a dude that worked for the Soviet Union or Great Britain). That's why nobody said anything. He was not native. He cut off all of the tags from his clothes. He had strange stuff in his suitcase. He had a piece of paper with a '' hint '' on it. The book the piece of paper was taken from had strange words written on it. Everything suggests that he was indeed a spy.
@@lukekor Really? So they did exhume the body!
According to the South Australia Police Historical society, to quote "it has since been discovered that formalin used to embalm the body has destroyed all DNA"
@@lukekor before you jump to conclusion of being a spy you must rule out every other possibility... the code could be a code used by him and the nurse to relay messages(the book given to him by her during the war) possible theory. died from poisoning could be her getting rid of him because maybe he was becoming a problem for her, you never know. although i will give the spy theory based on the removal of any identifying markers( i have seen this in the Ozlo Plaza murder mystery which lines up with spy traits in my opinion) but could also be a murderer removing id markers to throw off the case but all in all we can only speculate on what really took place.
This mystery is about to end with the exhumation of his remains last week.Finally we may know who this person’s name and who he was.
So so interesting. And, the ballet thing.
The calf muscles could have been the result of him being a former ski trooper!
Or frogman
Or collegiate horseshoe throwing champion
Even if that turns out be the granddaughter of the nurse and somerton man that will not explain anything about his life and death. Where did he come from? Why did no one recognise him?
That's true, why hasn't anyone still claimed the body i.e. recognised who he is and given a name to this unknown man. Maybe they are trying to build leads because if he's related to her maybe they can track down exactly who he is. But then surely someone from the family must have recognised him...But then maybe those people are all 'long gone' by now.
If he was from a different country then surely someone must have recognised him and been like 'wasn't that uncle so-and-so' because this case seems well-known....
but who knows...I mean just look at the Peter Bergmann case, and that is considered recent (technology etc being developed, DNA etc) and supposedly nobody has came forward saying who exactly that man was either or if he had any relatives...but then that story is a whole different thing in itself....
Nonetheless, interesting.
@@artistartist1624 One of the theories regarding the man's identity is that his country of origin may be one that had signed the Warsaw Pact post-war, and thus communication being cut off with that part of the world at the time made any possible chance of relatives reclaiming him virtually impossible. He may even have been a spy, making identification even more difficult.
@@henriqueoliveira5123 Interesting, you mentioning the Warsaw Pact... because when I first came across this case I actually thought he looked Slavik his face/features.
When I first looked at his face, his features definitely struck me as more Russian/Polish/possibly Germanic; it's different from features you see in the average 'white' person, idk the PC way of putting that but he has a distinct look, doesn't strike me as an 'Australian', 'American', or 'English' man even though he may have been dressed as one and possible likely may have grown up in those countries? But his features are deffo Slavik in my eyes....
Who knows tho...
@@artistartist1624 Regarding this theory: DNA testing revealed that Robin Thomson, his possible son, has some facial features that are present in less than 1% of the Caucasian population... Intriguing indeed...
@@henriqueoliveira5123 Very intriguing, even when looking at the alleged son 'Robin', he has distinct features. I know what was mentioned was the ear lobes and teeth which are rare. Robin looks like his mother, I see the resemblance, like the nose and the smaller structure of the face, the top lip. For some reason, I see the bottom lip and the the slight underside of it that looks more like the Somerton mans and the nose too, the nostrils are slight larger but then again the bridge of the nose is much more similar to his mothers (but then when you look at the mother in old age--her side profile alarmingly looks like the Somerton mans), the Someton man looked like he had a more prominent chin and Robin looks to be a similar shape but smaller. But the striking resemblance between George Thomson and Robin Thomson is there too. The Somerton mans face seems a lot more fuller [but that might just be the picture/death] whereas George Thomson and Robin have those slimmer type faces. But then there were theories that the mother was pregnant before marriage, so who knows.
I have always found faces fascinating and studied them for years, I found I had a knack for drawing them when younger so it's something I have observed for many years in different people, just looking at them and picking out what makes them look alike....it's all a part of studying/drawing faces. So I guess faces have always fascinated me.
This was a great documentary!
What about jo Thompson 's family ? Do they know who her father was ? Where was she from ?
Big calves.... maybe he was a cyclist.
Or a drummer.
My uncle had big defined calfs naturally. He didn't do any sports.
I grew up in a town with a lot of hills. Though genetics is still the main factor. But this show says that only dancers can have big calfs i guess.
I’m an ex rugby player, I played hooker, train in various martial arts and work out in the gym, my calf’s are huge. My mother in law is a runner, she runs the London marathon, is also a fitness instructor, and aerobics teacher. Her calf’s are huge, too. My ex is a dancer, but her calf’s aren’t big, toned, but not big at all. She doesn’t do ballet, though. I’ve friends whom were professional football players (soccer), they’re calf’s are toned, but not big. I think it’s more genetics.
My husband has big calves... he's in IT
It's been 71 years.......rest in peace
A photo exists of a male ballet dancer in Sydney from that time called Rasmussen (usually a Danish origin name), but there were reputed Russian male ballet dancers in Sydney at that time, too. One of the fora on the internet about the Somerton Man has that photograph (costumed obscuring some the face).
I tried Google searching for this but came up empty handed. Where can I find this?
Why not do ancestry DNA?
He mentioned finding distant cousins of the man in the US, so has apparently already gone the genetic genealogy route.
why not enter into an animus and view the truth as it happened !? Assasins creed reference
Mars Titan eh?
Putting all the pieces together this was so good thank you for sharing 👍
Meh, the "granddaughter" ballet/married the next day angle is silly
Agree.
Yeah. It’s ridiculous. Much better investigations into this case out there
Very interesting indeed! Thank you to whoever posted this in to whoever made this video…
Her “three beautiful children “ Him “where’s the other one gone?!?! “. 🤣
Probably at school or put playing with friends,
" May he rest in peace ", says Professor Abott ....... well he's hardly likely to rest in peace if the exhumation goes ahead! I can understand Rachel needing to find out who the man was but her husband just comes across as an egotist out to glory in solving the mystery of Somerton Man.
The man is dead. I doubt he is concerned about his body being messed with. He's "resting" just fine.
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
"Tamum shud" in Farsi means "All finished".
Like it’s a message to somebody else! It’s all finished! The unk man , George Marshal and Alfred boxwell all had a copy of the same book! Only one lived, Boxwell!
@@Ianbell72 A phrase used at the end of a movie, last page of a book. The End.
@@simabah Yes I’m well aware of that when I was trying to say is that’s a message and itself so many tearing out the middle of a page it says in Farsi all finished or the end and putting it in their pocket is definitely a message!
@@Ianbell72 Yes. and I agreed with you.
a world famous mystery might finally be solved!!!?
but still they will not know who killed him and why
because no-one might have killed him. It's always best to let evidence make those decisions
@@ladybugxxable he killed him
That was cool. I always wondered about him. It seemed like a suicide to me. Just laying there, watching the waves roll in. He knew it was over, he wouldn't be the Husband and Father. She found another. Why ? Why couldn't she be with this Man ? 💔
maybe it is forced? It could explain why she had his child but yet doesn't want anything to do with him.
I only just heard of this case today. From Wikipedia: On 19 May 2021, the remains of the Somerton Man were exhumed. Police stated that the remains were in 'reasonable' condition and were optimistic about the prospect of DNA recovery.
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
@@youarestronger I did see that a few weeks ago on another UA-cam video.
another curious fact, in view of this lady being adopted out in NZ, the Rubiyat in question was one published in Christchurch NZ by Whitcombe, a major stationery and book supplier.
those kids are gonna need therapy. "mommy why did you have me?" " oh cause daddy wanted my dna for a murder case"
I don’t think the plaster cast looks anything like his photographs A’TALL!
The cast and morgue photo were taken after he had been on ice for 6 months. After death the body changes and shifts so much especially the facial features
Nick Madame Tussaud got her start in 1777 casting heads of certain famous figures (along with that of prisoners executed by guillotine); if the morgue photo and head were cast at the Same Time they should look Exactly the same and if Madame T. did her remarkable works in 1777 surely they could’ve done a Much Better job of it after techniques had improved by 100+ years!
He had been embalmed AND deep frozen and mdm.Tussauds uses photos and paintings to recreate their wax figures
Tiger I. F. R. Tiger Yawn...
Well Somerton Man's body has just been exhumed, so will have to see if enough DNA can be extracted, I guess.
Well done Prof Abbott for your dedication in this case and efforts made to get an exhumation.. Also ABC for this gripping story.....After 70 years everyone deserves to know who he was and he can trueley rest in peace
Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
Sort of the same story as the Peter Bergman case in Ireland the mystery man...he also removed the labels on the clothes he wore and also found dead on the beach.
This was a very interesting video ty
Missions and charity shops used to remove clothing tags from donated clothing. Perhaps he was down on his luck and had been living rough.
Stop making a fuss about it, give a few bucks to the graveyard guard to look the other way, exhume the body one night, take the sample and bury him back the same night. Hell it would have been cheaper had you not publicized it, now the guard would ask for much more.
27:07 Soviet plane (note the red stars) :) The late great grandpa would be proud.
The best part of this is the beginning when they are dancing to barbie and the 12 dancing princesses
What a story, I hope they can get the DNA and hopefully close this amazing case.
She's involved for sure
What the hell is wrong with these people?! Putting up paintings of two people whom they do not even know if they’re related to or not, in the CHILDREN’S PLAY ROOM, why? Wouldn’t you want to know for sure first? Creepy.
Yep creepy my first thought
So very interesting. How fascinating
This particular case goes far beyond of what I previously thought, I didn't know the mysterious Somerton Man could have had a, by the way, mysterious girlfriend..., even a son and a granddaughter!!
Fascinating stuff; did he commit suicide or did the woman, Jo Thompson kill him? They said she was a nurse and so it’s quite possible he could have been given a concoction of something poisonous.
As for her granddaughter, the one who was adopted and married the professor, at first I thought her face was full of Botox/fillers. She has that ‘pillow face’ look about her, but then I saw her children and realised she cannot surely be old enough to pump her face full of botulism and god knows what.
I truly hope this is solved. Prof. Abbott did sound weird in the cemetery, saying to his wife “we ought to bring the children here” and then he said something about their grandpa! There’s no proof of that yet. Same with that picture in the house beside the grandmother, they don’t know for sure he’s ‘grandpa’ but seem to have adopted the corpse anyway. Very odd.
Not what I expected at all. Very interesting story
His lovely face does have a European look.
Poor guy, was he a defector or spy wanting to come in from the cold? Did he commit suicide? A mystery that I hope can be solved.
Somerton Man seems to have been much older than Jo. Maybe it was a May-December romance.
What was the point of this program ??? We really don't REALLY know anything more than we did before.
more than a coincidence the son is a ballet dancer and has features like the deceased man. Mystery solved.
Yeah, I think that would be enough for me to be convinced, and put flowers on grandpa's grave.
Okay but who kill him ?!
@@arlene8689 the man is probably a spy. So you wouldn't know who.. just like on every espionage documentary once an agent died on a foreign land they will be disowned, everything about them that connects to his agency will be removed or covered up, the aussie intelligence might know about his real identity but doesn't want to reveal it. Yes intelligence agencies can let the other government agencies goes in circles as long as the info they got is safe or the secret info they got is safe.
Strangely similar to the case of the Isdal Woman but she died in 1970 on Nov 29 in Norway. Weird!
Imagine if it was the two trainee jockeys who poisoned him but no one ever questioned them. Giddy Up!
A spy theory blog claims he might have been killed with a special poison dart shooting gun like the Sherlock Holmes movie of the 1940s "Terror By Night" (full movie is on UA-cam for viewing) with a dissolving gelatin dart. (Tommy Dysart said in that famous TV ad "They think it's the dart!").
He ate a poison pill
Damn. That woman does look so much like the Somerton man. So does her son.
i agree
Maybe the daughter of the Somerton man??
Her eyes look like doll eyes.👀
I think he was a member of Shriners International more specifically a mason group called the "Q" (Order of Quetzalcoatl) matching the "Q" in the code. Their origin was Arab/Persian and they wear a fez.
Awesome story. Every facet.
UPDATE: Prof Derek Abbott from the University of Adelaide said on Monday he believes the man found on 1 December 1948, was Carl “Charles” Webb, a 43-year-old electrical engineer from Melbourne.
This theory is very plausible. Cannot wait to see the results. Would be very sad if grandma and her new husband conspired to kill grandpa in such a way and strip him of his identity in death. Nevertheless, the truth needs to be brought to light and hopefully soon he will have a name.
I think he had a long term illness,possibly terminal. He turns up to see his ex lover and son before he passed. He gets rejected and wanders town with nowhere to stay. Sits down to watch the sunset on the beach and passed of natural causes.
He had massive internal haemorrhaging consistent with poisoning. He wouldn't have 'wandered town' because he would have been in agonizing pain!
Surely to god a simple DNA test would solve this
The lack of labels on his clothing could mean he was a refugee who was given second hand clothing they remove labels to sell the clothes or give from a charity,I don’t think this practise is new
How much supposition and conjecture can you jam in one case? Wishful thinking everywhere and a family caught up in one mans obsession
Awesome Story
Something seems a little weird when you form a relationship with a person your 'investigating'
Australia is such a scary country with plenty of crimes and cases to be revealed
The lady at the beginning has very blue eyes. Very pretty eye-color.
I play hockey and I have pretty large calfs, as well as the other muscles in my legs.
That couple are weird.
Great Story good on everyone
23:11 Attempt to confuse investigators or maybe his name/initials were written on the clothing tags. Something people did in those days.
I think what makes this case particularly baffling is that NO ONE has EVER claimed this man had disappeared from wherever he lived.
@@albytheresoon Yep, but at least you know who they are!
May he RIP Bless the People that Buried him and Respect
was bikes popular back then? could he have been a biker?
20:39 that's exactly what I thought tbh