>he doesn't want one that can track and automatically target multiple targets and execute multiple shots to take down opponents in front of the user, that can be stored in the CPU unit of a vanguard-class titan
@@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337 I dont like the smart pistol but goddamn dont bash the A wall it didnt do nuffin. its not even a boost. smart pistol is a boost, a-wall is a util. Amp is a disgusting boost too. I want to run a smart pistol through an A wall because of this online exchange. By Allah I will make the 4 pilot mag last 1 or 2 pilots longer. I will even incorporate it into a weapon swap combo so I can get further lockon discounts and use it as a finisher for 24 consecutive pilots straight. All of them being the same group but as respawns. I will use the Thunderbolt and maybe an arc nade as a damage opener before quickdrawing the SP from the holster and going BOINK. Did you know that thing can hit ANYWHERE and blast a 40% chunk out of the pilot? It can be dumbfired with about as good an accuracy as a devotion if you point the center of the screen at the enemy and click before it can actually lock (or with irons). All you gotta do is hit their foot. And its TTK is..... still worse than a CAR, but you will frag the pilot faster than just clicking between locks.
Hey they actually make a bullet counter for a glock. It attaches at the back of the slide, let's you know if it's hot and numbers turn red when you're about out. Kinda like the Halo pistol.
Well it's fired by wire so I'm sure you could just take it apart and jump it. Traditional gunlocks are pretty hackable with a pair of bolt cutters already though.
@fam5451 nobody uses the gun lock that's packaged with the weapon. The first thing I do when I get a gun home is throw that away. If you can defeat my *actual* 'traditional gun lock' (a safe) with a pair of bolt cutters...I would be impressed.
Fuck this thing. I would think it’s good in theory, but think it will lead to more ristrictions. “We’re pro second amendment, so long as your gun has face recognition that can lock you out of using it.”
Giving the Liberals more reason to prohibit all of our current firearms. California, Washington, New York, New Jersey etc. will be saying "see, now all future guns sold will be required to be "smart guns".... Some ideas are just not for consideration.
In this scenario the idea that shouldn't be considered is that legislature. This technology is a great idea, assuming it's reliable and we manage to not let it be taken advantage of by the government.
@@StinkyGringo A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be infringed*.
Ian (forgotten weapons)said something to the extent of "anyone who thinks this technology will lead to legislation requiring all guns to be smart guns is short sighted". I don't understand that mindset/statement. This *will* lead to legislation if it's reliable.
Anyone who doesn't believe this will be turned into a requirement is a blind fool. States are already passing laws requiring microstamping and smart guns, and the technology isn't commercially available for either of those things.
@@f308gtb1977 ok, I went back to his video to make sure I wasn't misquoting him. Here's what he said in the conclusion section of his first video on this thing: "There's a small element of the firearms community that will always hate the idea of a smart gun because they see it as inevitably leading to a loss of all traditional 'dumb guns'. But I think that's an oversight, I think that's shortsighted. I think it's really interesting to see this technology develop....it's not intended to replace everything, it's *not* going to, and *no one* would suggest that it is"
Electronic triggers tend to go full auto by themselves more often than not 😂 Even bulls eye target shooters, some of who were big fans of electronic triggers at first, are all back to normal triggers because no company was able to make a 100% reliable electronic trigger yet. Pardini and Walther tried with their olympic target pistols. Nobody wants that crap anymore. They seem amazing at first, but then the problems start piling up. A guy at my range had a Walther SSP-E and it would double and triple shoot, or even worse shoot when you closed the slide. Had been in for repair multiple times until he sold it. Problems never went away.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Wow, if Pardini and Walther couldn't figure it out on their highest level pistols, I kinda doubt this upstart company can with this thing.
@@bradenmchenry995 you’re right.. just went and rewatched Ian’s video and it appears to be laser only.. hopefully they take some user feedback and incorporate a built in light or some way to attach one when it comes time for release
... or when it's dark and you cut your finger. But you could always connect it with your phone and enter the backup password through bluetooth, no problem!
Not only am I skeptical of the reliability, even if it does get a little more development time, but the main problem i have is with the technology and its implications in the future. I actually dont want this gun, not only for myself, but I dont want it to exist in the world
I have a fingerprint gun safe that works 25% of the time. My smart phone facial rec is maybe 75%. I’m a firearms instructor and have had 2 RDS fails in the last week. No way. Not now. Not ever.
@@totenfurwotan4478 Both Holosuns and not mine-belonged to class members. One flew off while shooting. Should have been loctited. The other had a battery go dead. Probably a bad battery. As far as RDS, I like Holosun, but at least most RDS have BUIS. If facial recognition goes bad, you’re dead (& maybe really dead).
@@benb5960 The screws can also break, no matter how well you've adhered to the torque spec or how methodically you've applied thread locker. I hear that extracting said broken screws out of a slide is a most tedious task.
@@benb5960 Well, you can't really blame a non-loctited screw on the red dot. I just recently lost the front sight of my Walther Q5 because it wasn't loctited (I had falsely assumed Walther would have done that for me...). So, that's not really a red dot problem. But I generally agree with what you're saying. My phones facial recognition works fine as long as it's bright enough. When it's dark, I need to use the fingerprint sensor which works like 80% of the time on the first try. 98% of the time on the second or third. Not good enough for a gun.
Honestly if this thing is reliable I could 100% see cops having something like this as standard issue. Can’t get your gun stolen and used against you, AND it becomes useless in a couple days if it’s stolen anyway and unable to be charged? Only thing better for them would be to give it a police siren when drawn and take pictures when you pull the trigger to better ID and catalogue suspects.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Let's do a 5 year pilot with the Secret Service and if they want to keep it after that, then we can talk about this as a viable product.
Your perspective is not only spot on as well as the probability of those people even thinking about using this technology probably a "No way" are we going to put a potential problem in our way. -No law enforcement would never consider this technology.
Wow a product that no real gun owner asked for. But I'm sure it's as reliable as iPhone's facial recognition technology. Would totally bet my life on it.
Exactly! As soon as I spend a few hours in the sun I have to reset my iPhones facial recognition… Not to mention if I happen to have sunglasses on and a hat!
My google phone doesn't recognize my face in dimly lit situations, let alone in the dark. But that doesn't matter because you'd obviously never need a gun in dimly lit situations or in the dark.
This should be implemented with all Police, security and law enforcement agencies. If they lose control of their firearm, they don’t have to die by it. But for We The People, it’s a hard pass.
@@CCW1911 yet they show up with 9mm instead of superior 357 Sig or at the very least 40 S&W. I totally agree but it’s simply the sad truth. This firearm would surely lower the death rate of the unarmed when they mistakenly engage officers in hand to hand combat.
Awesome! In another 2 or 3 years this will be the only gun anyone can buy or own, it’ll cost 3 or 4 thousand bucks, and every use, every single shot, will be centrally controlled, allowed, monitored, and recorded by some new fed agency by WiFi or cell signal or satellite, which you’ll also pay for in a subscription. Love it!
@@DaveL9170 wow, you’re really smart. I fully expected to fool everyone into thinking I had real evidence and it wasn’t just speculation, but you figured it out and exposed me. I’m sorry for insulting your uncle’s gun design.
@@f308gtb1977Yep. And it’ll have some sort of Mantis system built in that will judge you and if you don’t meet the governments requirements it won’t allow you to shoot anywhere besides a range based on GPS coordinates. I can legit see it leading to things like these. No thanks.
Just say this gun can be bricked with a $2 can of spray paint or hair spray on the sensor and camera. Such an unsafe product to market, shame on biofire
I don’t believe people like this necessarily have bad intentions but they’re trying to take us down a road that should remain untraveled. The answer will always and forever be *NO.*
While I'm not in the market for anything like this - like many other people here I'm more concerned about the precedent this could set for firearms in the future. I've long argued that in the United States they don't need to ban guns to kill them off...they will circumvent that with other practices. If this tech ever became commonplace, it would be far too easy for a government to demand this tech on all firearms (driving prices skyward and basically forcing people to submit biometrics for study, etc. etc. etc.). They're doing it with cars already - forcing manufacturers to add unnecessary components which add little to no safety benefit but increase the cost and complexity of every day vehicles, etc. It's a bad direction to go.
I agree that governments are doing bad things like what you mentioned with automobiles, but that is a political problem, not a technological one. This is a technology that is trying to solve a real problem that has every right to be solved, regardless of political persuasion. How can you think that minimizing unnecessary deaths is not a worthy goal?
Ian was already paid by then to sweet talk the gun, it can easily be disabled with some hairspray or paint on the rear cameras. Finger sensor can be bricked with hairspray too and certainly mud. It is built around a worse biometric recognition than is already on the market in smart phones.
@@er931 Hairspray is just a common household source of moisture that many people use daily that can disable the gun. If you happened to have hairspray on your hands or any other liquid that gets on the guns censors.
Chief… you realize dumb-guns can be sabotaged too right? Superglue a pebble in the breech and see how well it works. Or give me sixty seconds with a hammer. In fact, you don’t even need to sabotage it. You can just take a dumb-gun and shoot the owner with it. With something like this you can only sabotage it.
Seems like a lot of people here don t know how reliable electronics is. There are tons of specifications and test that electronic have to respect, that is basically as realiable as mechanical system
@@BrowncoatGofAZ Home defense decidedly is a combat situation, you commie cuck. The other person in your home is very likely trying to kill you if the situation has gotten to the point of live gunfire being exchanged. That is, in layman's terms , COMBAT.
@@TheZombieburner You people are out of your effing minds or just plain stupid. The most advanced and formidable weapons in the world have electronic systems and controls. You ever see a C-RAM operate? What about an F-22? AIM-9X? Ballistic missile? How about an Abrams? I could go on and on and on.
Sorry but I hope Biofire fails. The problem with the Armatix or others was the entire premise of a "smart gun". Any "smart gun" is a bad idea from the beginning. He uses this deflection that I always hear from vegans "Oh I'm just doing what works for me, I'm cool and don't want to force it on anyone". Okay, except you're fundamentally wrong, your diet is bad for you and everyone else, and your bad ideas impact others up to and including eventual public policy. Maybe he's a really nice guy who would never support "smart gun" mandates, but he plays right into the hands of future institutions who will.
Pay triple the price for a gun that requires a battery to operate? This is like if Sharper Image made a gun for the upper middle class who ran out of gift ideas.
Homie, electronic triggers were tried by bullseye shooters once upon a time. They went giggle-switch without being modified, and that is why they are rarely used. I give it about 20 minutes from sale before a nerd goes "Hey guys look what I did with my soldering kit!"
"3rd party ammo detected, shutting down! Only use original Biofire(TM) ammo, available for just 99cents/round through our advanced subscription model!"
@@Redmist-se7ld not if I’m interested you n the features. Which I am. You all argue about how people have a right to arm up, and a right to choose what they arm up with. You can’t harp on my choice and still support that.
If it can be hacked, it’s no good! It lets an authorized user use it, therefore if it gets hacked then it’s still all on you. If the gun can unlock you to use it, then it can lock you out.
Uh... No! Not just no, but Hell no. No matter how reliable your firearm is there's always something that could go wrong. So why are we trying to throw something else into that shit sandwich? Even if it works perfectly, who's to say the owner doesn't get the absolute snot beat out of them before they can get to it. Now the damn thing doesn't recognize the owner's face, and won't activate? What if I have to shoot from retention and don't have time to bring it up to get a sight picture or for the camera to see my face? Look... To protect my kids of accidents or misuse I educated them. To keep intruders from stealing them, I secure them. Something like this just gives gun grabbers another way to control firearms by pricing them out of reach for your average person that's struggling to just keep the family safe and fed. If this catches on I promise that the young 21 year old student that can only afford $250 max to protect him or herself and the family won't be walking out of any gun store with a weapon.
Yet again, it has a fingerprint sensor. You only need that OR the facial ID. Its battery probably lasts for hours at minimum, and if it’s stored in the charger it’ll be full when you draw it. No one’s forcing you to buy one, and they’ve said they won’t sell in states where only smart guns are allowed.
I don’t even like having an electronic optic on my firearms, guns should remain completely mechanical,- it’s the same difference between a paper ballot and a voting machine.
Conceptually, this could be great. Unfortunately, doing it correctly is illegal. Every computer has an administrator. That's the person who chooses what software the computer runs. If you don't know who the admin is, it's not you, and you don't really own the device. Unfortunately, if they let the end user actually control this device it would be a machine gun. That's illegal, so they won't do it. They will maintain full control of the software, which means the buyer doesn't really own it, which means I'm not going to buy it.
For me this is proof of concept, not the final product. I wonder how reliable the facial recognition is? Because a lot of people will be shooting it wearing gloves, so the finger print authentication is gone immediately. By the time I retire I see this sort of thing being standardised.
The downer comments here are pretty amusing, remind me of all the FUDDs when red dots were growing in popularity. Its a new technology, it's gonna be expensive and clunky, it's not gonna be perfect out the gate.
Sadly I'd say it's more like a freight train moving at top speed to mandatory. Slowing down...nope....so unless it's a time machine and we hit 88mph, that trains going to take us right off into the ravine. Ohh, if you don't know the reference I'm throwing out, ya might want to visit the cafe 80's to learn more about it lol
The fingerprint reader makes this a big no, yes it has facial too but evidently both are used to turn on the weapon, you might need to grab it with your other hand, just like all the others no matter the hype they don't have a clue as to what gun owners require in a self defense weapon. How long does it take for it to go live, I noticed the demo shooters were pausing before pushing out and shooting? It has to be instantly shootable.
Actually, if you go and watch Ian's video you'll learn that the two different recognition systems are backups for one another. Only one of them has to work for the gun to fire. The idea is that this makes the system redundant; the chances of both failing are very very low.
@@davidnicholas7516 My google pixel has facial recognition and a fingerprint sensor as a backup. The facial recognition takes like a second, but when it doesn't work (bad lighting, whatever) you have to switch to the fingerprint sensor, which works most of the time if your fingers aren't sweaty or dirty. The whole process (facial recognition fail, switch to fingerprint, try two or three times with wiping fingers in between) takes like 15 seconds. Way too long for a gun. It is acceptable for a phone where I'd usually have to type a password and the camera and sensor speed things up most of the time.
Nope. That middle finger fingerprint sensor is only on one side or at least it looks like it. For a gun for actual defense, I need to be able to use it off hand in case I take a round to my strong arm. Also, unless that fingerprint sensor overrides the facial recognition, I have to still be able to use if if I take a graze to the face.
That's exactly what this guy wants. Imagine if you have to government forcing a requirement for people to buy your product.. You know, like insurance or big pharma. "Imagine the compliance" --- pfizer CEO
Smart=control. Amazon shut that dude's house off, because he was stupid enough to have a smart home and some random guy said "this dude's racist". Don't put more devices in your life that can control you.
@@marksmanmerc1 If it's not already, and the company doesn't decide to do it for their own gain, states like NJ will legislate that they have to be. Probably hidden/presented as a "we need gps tracking on all of them, just so we can find them if they're stolen or lost".
@@stevem4783 unless they have some wireless capability not really, they'd need to emp the shit. The biggest issue is reliability but these things still might be useful for prisons or if you have a nut in your house that you can't trust with a gun around.
@@marksmanmerc1 "some wireless capability", you mean like literally everything in the world that's wireless these days? This tech is not useful, it's dangerous. It's the first step toward online registration of your device, the government will absolutely do it and allow for remote disabling.
A great neat very interesting video and product.How does the Recogniser stand against the recoil impact and does it have a camera at the front?To prevent a suicide or for the corner shot?
As explained in the forgotten weapons video, it can be authenticated with either the finger or the face. If recoil brings your face out of line, you’re still authenticated with the finger.
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The smartest gun I could ever want would be one that counts how many bullets are in my Mag
>he doesn't want one that can track and automatically target multiple targets and execute multiple shots to take down opponents in front of the user, that can be stored in the CPU unit of a vanguard-class titan
@@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337 Smart pistol is LGBTQ+
@@RazzorB spoken like an A-wall neeeeerd
@@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337 I dont like the smart pistol but goddamn dont bash the A wall it didnt do nuffin. its not even a boost. smart pistol is a boost, a-wall is a util. Amp is a disgusting boost too.
I want to run a smart pistol through an A wall because of this online exchange. By Allah I will make the 4 pilot mag last 1 or 2 pilots longer. I will even incorporate it into a weapon swap combo so I can get further lockon discounts and use it as a finisher for 24 consecutive pilots straight. All of them being the same group but as respawns. I will use the Thunderbolt and maybe an arc nade as a damage opener before quickdrawing the SP from the holster and going BOINK. Did you know that thing can hit ANYWHERE and blast a 40% chunk out of the pilot? It can be dumbfired with about as good an accuracy as a devotion if you point the center of the screen at the enemy and click before it can actually lock (or with irons). All you gotta do is hit their foot.
And its TTK is..... still worse than a CAR, but you will frag the pilot faster than just clicking between locks.
Hey they actually make a bullet counter for a glock. It attaches at the back of the slide, let's you know if it's hot and numbers turn red when you're about out. Kinda like the Halo pistol.
Can’t wait to see a DEFCON or HOPE presentation on hacking this thing.
Well it's fired by wire so I'm sure you could just take it apart and jump it. Traditional gunlocks are pretty hackable with a pair of bolt cutters already though.
@fam5451 nobody uses the gun lock that's packaged with the weapon. The first thing I do when I get a gun home is throw that away. If you can defeat my *actual* 'traditional gun lock' (a safe) with a pair of bolt cutters...I would be impressed.
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You don’t even need to hack it, just some hairspray on the rear cameras or fingerprint sensor lol
@@jaycevariegated7345that doesn’t disable the lock. It just makes it harder to unlock. What purpose does that serve?
Fuck this thing. I would think it’s good in theory, but think it will lead to more ristrictions.
“We’re pro second amendment, so long as your gun has face recognition that can lock you out of using it.”
Giving the Liberals more reason to prohibit all of our current firearms. California, Washington, New York, New Jersey etc. will be saying "see, now all future guns sold will be required to be "smart guns".... Some ideas are just not for consideration.
California’s handgun roster is already hanging on by a thread. Highly unlikely
That would look so ugly
Edit: Imagine the Hi-Point being twice as expensive and hideous with the smart device.
In this scenario the idea that shouldn't be considered is that legislature. This technology is a great idea, assuming it's reliable and we manage to not let it be taken advantage of by the government.
@@Fxcloud90 but if it's proven to be reliable, what would be your argument for not requiring it on all guns? That would be the next debate.
@@StinkyGringo A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, *shall not be infringed*.
Ian (forgotten weapons)said something to the extent of "anyone who thinks this technology will lead to legislation requiring all guns to be smart guns is short sighted".
I don't understand that mindset/statement.
This *will* lead to legislation if it's reliable.
How can he use the phrase “short-sighted” regarding what we think will happen in the long run? That’s illogical and ridiculous if that’s what he said.
Well Ian is also a commie anti gunner leftist that was friends with an actual pedo satanist soooo…
Money talks
Anyone who doesn't believe this will be turned into a requirement is a blind fool. States are already passing laws requiring microstamping and smart guns, and the technology isn't commercially available for either of those things.
@@f308gtb1977 ok, I went back to his video to make sure I wasn't misquoting him. Here's what he said in the conclusion section of his first video on this thing:
"There's a small element of the firearms community that will always hate the idea of a smart gun because they see it as inevitably leading to a loss of all traditional 'dumb guns'. But I think that's an oversight, I think that's shortsighted. I think it's really interesting to see this technology develop....it's not intended to replace everything, it's *not* going to, and *no one* would suggest that it is"
Looks like a great way to get killed
So the trigger is actually electronic, yeah somebody will figure how to hack that and make it full auto
Electronic triggers tend to go full auto by themselves more often than not 😂
Even bulls eye target shooters, some of who were big fans of electronic triggers at first, are all back to normal triggers because no company was able to make a 100% reliable electronic trigger yet. Pardini and Walther tried with their olympic target pistols. Nobody wants that crap anymore. They seem amazing at first, but then the problems start piling up.
A guy at my range had a Walther SSP-E and it would double and triple shoot, or even worse shoot when you closed the slide. Had been in for repair multiple times until he sold it. Problems never went away.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Wow, if Pardini and Walther couldn't figure it out on their highest level pistols, I kinda doubt this upstart company can with this thing.
You cannot have a home defense weapon that cannot attach a light. Immediate disqualification
Best point. Nonstarter
Ridiculous
They didn’t mention in this video but per the forgotten weapons video it has a light and laser built in
@@TKirbyK it does not
@@bradenmchenry995 you’re right.. just went and rewatched Ian’s video and it appears to be laser only.. hopefully they take some user feedback and incorporate a built in light or some way to attach one when it comes time for release
So if it's snowing outside and i need to wear gloves and a winter hat that partially covers my face im not gonna be shooting
... or when it's dark and you cut your finger. But you could always connect it with your phone and enter the backup password through bluetooth, no problem!
Exactly. Not to mention the anti 2a legislators just drooling to make this nonsense a requirement. Hopefully this flops
What a terrible idea. “Rear facial recognition camera”… what if I’m shooting from retention?
Or the bad guy just points the camera at you after he takes it?
It has a number of unlocking mechanisms. You really should watch Forgotten Weapons vid.
Well good thing you’ll never get sweaty hands in a high stress situation
@@JimYeatsit’s a path to more gun control. This is what every anti 2a legislator dreams of
This is for home defense. Not carry
Not only am I skeptical of the reliability, even if it does get a little more development time, but the main problem i have is with the technology and its implications in the future. I actually dont want this gun, not only for myself, but I dont want it to exist in the world
It’s a shame evil will use tech for evil. So many amazing things could exist but evil people will use it for wrong doings
Right? This is how we get guns that actually do go off by themselves lol
@@ch3cksund3ad Or even scarier... Don't go off when you need them to.
@@ch3cksund3ad buy sig
@@totenfurwotan4478 I get a bit of everything
I have a fingerprint gun safe that works 25% of the time. My smart phone facial rec is maybe 75%. I’m a firearms instructor and have had 2 RDS fails in the last week. No way. Not now. Not ever.
Lol what shitty red dots are you running??😂
@@totenfurwotan4478 Both Holosuns and not mine-belonged to class members. One flew off while shooting. Should have been loctited. The other had a battery go dead. Probably a bad battery. As far as RDS, I like Holosun, but at least most RDS have BUIS. If facial recognition goes bad, you’re dead (& maybe really dead).
@@benb5960 The screws can also break, no matter how well you've adhered to the torque spec or how methodically you've applied thread locker. I hear that extracting said broken screws out of a slide is a most tedious task.
@@benb5960 Well, you can't really blame a non-loctited screw on the red dot. I just recently lost the front sight of my Walther Q5 because it wasn't loctited (I had falsely assumed Walther would have done that for me...).
So, that's not really a red dot problem. But I generally agree with what you're saying. My phones facial recognition works fine as long as it's bright enough. When it's dark, I need to use the fingerprint sensor which works like 80% of the time on the first try. 98% of the time on the second or third. Not good enough for a gun.
@@benb5960 oh lol that’s not really an optic failing that’s poor maintenance.
how many more failure points has this added?
Actually it removed the risk for mechanical failure in the trigger mechanism.
Make it the official side arm of the US Secret Service and Capitol Police, then we'll talk.
Honestly if this thing is reliable I could 100% see cops having something like this as standard issue. Can’t get your gun stolen and used against you, AND it becomes useless in a couple days if it’s stolen anyway and unable to be charged? Only thing better for them would be to give it a police siren when drawn and take pictures when you pull the trigger to better ID and catalogue suspects.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Let's do a 5 year pilot with the Secret Service and if they want to keep it after that, then we can talk about this as a viable product.
Your perspective is not only spot on as well as the probability of those people even thinking about using this technology probably a "No way" are we going to put a potential problem in our way. -No law enforcement would never consider this technology.
10 years of development into this "Smart Gun" and no one thought to put a flashlight on it?
They wanted to make the recognition fast and bulletproof. That’s probably next,
I wanna see demolition ranch do a video torcher test on this gun 😅
@@Redmist-se7ld I would actually like to see that too.
It has a laser though
I have an even smarter gun than this.
Mine is EMP proof, hacking proof, safe from government surveillance and can't fail me due to electronics.
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No.
Give these to cops , prison gaurds , baliffs , security , etc , that need a gun but are at risk of having it taken by perps.
If I were a bailiff or armed security you couldn't afford to pay me enough to bet my life on one of these.
Nobody in their right mind would bet their life or a loved one’s on that piece of shit
It’s a home defense gun.
Fu
Wow a product that no real gun owner asked for. But I'm sure it's as reliable as iPhone's facial recognition technology. Would totally bet my life on it.
The product is made for liberals who don’t even want to own a firearm
Remember, if you had a Glock 17 in the year 1873 no one would trust your weapon either.
Exactly! As soon as I spend a few hours in the sun I have to reset my iPhones facial recognition… Not to mention if I happen to have sunglasses on and a hat!
My google phone doesn't recognize my face in dimly lit situations, let alone in the dark. But that doesn't matter because you'd obviously never need a gun in dimly lit situations or in the dark.
facial recognition works great in dark
This should be implemented with all Police, security and law enforcement agencies. If they lose control of their firearm, they don’t have to die by it. But for We The People, it’s a hard pass.
That was my thought. Good idea for officers.
#ditto 💯💯💯
Trying to fix a training problem with hardware fails every time. I don't want LEO responding to my families emergency with this.
@@CCW1911 yet they show up with 9mm instead of superior 357 Sig or at the very least 40 S&W. I totally agree but it’s simply the sad truth. This firearm would surely lower the death rate of the unarmed when they mistakenly engage officers in hand to hand combat.
@@CCW1911I don’t want Leo responding to anything regardless
Awesome! In another 2 or 3 years this will be the only gun anyone can buy or own, it’ll cost 3 or 4 thousand bucks, and every use, every single shot, will be centrally controlled, allowed, monitored, and recorded by some new fed agency by WiFi or cell signal or satellite, which you’ll also pay for in a subscription. Love it!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👀
Love how you literally invented all that with ZERO actual evidence. Only what you guess will happen.
@@DaveL9170 wow, you’re really smart. I fully expected to fool everyone into thinking I had real evidence and it wasn’t just speculation, but you figured it out and exposed me. I’m sorry for insulting your uncle’s gun design.
@@f308gtb1977Yep. And it’ll have some sort of Mantis system built in that will judge you and if you don’t meet the governments requirements it won’t allow you to shoot anywhere besides a range based on GPS coordinates. I can legit see it leading to things like these. No thanks.
@@DaveL9170 Just because you are small-minded doesn’t mean other people will be the same as you.
This is just the beginning of a very, very slippery slope.
Doubt it.
"What did they get wrong?"
They tried the stupid concept to begin with. Nobody wants this. I hope they go bankrupt.
Just say this gun can be bricked with a $2 can of spray paint or hair spray on the sensor and camera. Such an unsafe product to market, shame on biofire
If facial recognition is required, an adversarial countermeasure would be a cream pie to the face.
Not required it's just a backup.
looks like a super expensive hi point with some glued on flare
Hi point rules
Face recognition? As an Asian man, that still concerns me.😮
Why would that facial recognition be concerning to you?
Must not understand how facial recognition works..
A pox on them. I hope they go bankrupt.
50 failures in real-world use is not "research development" it's life or death. I'll spend my money on training.
I don’t believe people like this necessarily have bad intentions but they’re trying to take us down a road that should remain untraveled. The answer will always and forever be *NO.*
This guy isn't a 2A advocate, He i's a nanny state entrepreneur looking to get rich off a government contract.
NJ has or had a law stating once a smart gun exists, it will be the only gun you can own.
@@totenfurwotan4478always what you wanna hear 😂
@@Logan2070 Exactly, he claims to be a gun owner but he seems very pro gun control.
@@totenfurwotan4478NJ does not have that anymore. Was addressed in the Forgotten Weapons video.
While I'm not in the market for anything like this - like many other people here I'm more concerned about the precedent this could set for firearms in the future. I've long argued that in the United States they don't need to ban guns to kill them off...they will circumvent that with other practices. If this tech ever became commonplace, it would be far too easy for a government to demand this tech on all firearms (driving prices skyward and basically forcing people to submit biometrics for study, etc. etc. etc.). They're doing it with cars already - forcing manufacturers to add unnecessary components which add little to no safety benefit but increase the cost and complexity of every day vehicles, etc. It's a bad direction to go.
I agree that governments are doing bad things like what you mentioned with automobiles, but that is a political problem, not a technological one. This is a technology that is trying to solve a real problem that has every right to be solved, regardless of political persuasion. How can you think that minimizing unnecessary deaths is not a worthy goal?
Bad face recognition effects everyone; perfect face recognition effect one person, nothing is perfect!
I watched Ian's video and thought "I'd pay 1500 for that" Biofire: "1499" me "You sun of a gun, I'm in!"
Unless there's even the slightest bit of moisture (sweat, blood, water, mud) on the camera or the sensors then this thing looks legit.
Ian says hes going to mud test it as soon as he can get his hands on one. I think that will be the true test.
Ian was already paid by then to sweet talk the gun, it can easily be disabled with some hairspray or paint on the rear cameras. Finger sensor can be bricked with hairspray too and certainly mud. It is built around a worse biometric recognition than is already on the market in smart phones.
@@jaycevariegated7345 Do you normally hairspray your guns?
@@er931 Hairspray is just a common household source of moisture that many people use daily that can disable the gun. If you happened to have hairspray on your hands or any other liquid that gets on the guns censors.
Chief… you realize dumb-guns can be sabotaged too right? Superglue a pebble in the breech and see how well it works. Or give me sixty seconds with a hammer. In fact, you don’t even need to sabotage it. You can just take a dumb-gun and shoot the owner with it. With something like this you can only sabotage it.
What about left hand use? Are the sensors on both sides?
Only right hand side. Either learn to shoot right handed, don’t get sweaty palms, or any fluid on the camera… or you could just get a Glock
It’s on both sides. The fingerprint scanner is in the middle and face recognition is in the back
I hope these NEVER catch on.
Hard pass on this firearm, not going to rely on electronics in combat situation
So no GPS or M134 Gatling gun either?
Besides, home defense is not a combat situation.
Seems like a lot of people here don t know how reliable electronics is. There are tons of specifications and test that electronic have to respect, that is basically as realiable as mechanical system
@@daxor483 Okay.
You buy it, then.
@@BrowncoatGofAZ Home defense decidedly is a combat situation, you commie cuck.
The other person in your home is very likely trying to kill you if the situation has gotten to the point of live gunfire being exchanged.
That is, in layman's terms , COMBAT.
@@TheZombieburner You people are out of your effing minds or just plain stupid. The most advanced and formidable weapons in the world have electronic systems and controls. You ever see a C-RAM operate? What about an F-22? AIM-9X? Ballistic missile? How about an Abrams? I could go on and on and on.
Privacy and tech issues are obvious. The price is outrageous. For that price you can get a real firearm and a safe.
Personal preference
I see this product having a fantastic application in the trash can
Sorry but I hope Biofire fails. The problem with the Armatix or others was the entire premise of a "smart gun". Any "smart gun" is a bad idea from the beginning. He uses this deflection that I always hear from vegans "Oh I'm just doing what works for me, I'm cool and don't want to force it on anyone". Okay, except you're fundamentally wrong, your diet is bad for you and everyone else, and your bad ideas impact others up to and including eventual public policy. Maybe he's a really nice guy who would never support "smart gun" mandates, but he plays right into the hands of future institutions who will.
Yup. Look up what law the gov of New joursy I think, tried to create when the first smart gun was being sold in the 90s😂
This gun is unsafe on so many levels, the worst issue is that they are knowingly selling an inferior product that could get their customers killed.
Wanting a gun that only you can use is not a bad idea.
And don’t throw this with people’s choices on food.
Pay triple the price for a gun that requires a battery to operate? This is like if Sharper Image made a gun for the upper middle class who ran out of gift ideas.
How hard will it be to modify the trigger system? Super turbo
Homie, electronic triggers were tried by bullseye shooters once upon a time.
They went giggle-switch without being modified, and that is why they are rarely used. I give it about 20 minutes from sale before a nerd goes "Hey guys look what I did with my soldering kit!"
This man literally just told me this thing does not have a mechanical trigger? Fire by wire? Hard effing pass.
“to fire more rounds simply upgrade to our elite subscription package”
"3rd party ammo detected, shutting down! Only use original Biofire(TM) ammo, available for just 99cents/round through our advanced subscription model!"
It also needs a few different ways to bypass it. Not where they all need to be met but rather if any single one is met it’s a full send.
Pretty cool... probably still not for me, but if this is what it takes for a hesitant person to buy their first firearm then maybe it has a place.
Starfire...if it takes something like this for them to buy their first gun. I do not want them owning one.
Ah yes, fingerprints and facial recognition, technologies well known for their 100% reliability. Useless.
How does it power up? Can the battery fail?
Can the trigger mechanism for a regular firearm fail?
No James.
Nice try Fed. There's no place in the firearm industry for people like this. I hope they go bankrupt and end up homeless.
Most of the weapons industry exists to serve the government. You're insane.
You know james, he has changed my mind. From no, for $1499 to Hell NO.
This is the only firearm I’d ever buy.
@@BrowncoatGofAZ I'm sure your boyfriend is proud of you, dude.
The price sucks your better off using a Glock 17/19/45 model over this for the price
@@TheZombieburner I have a Wife. And what does that have to do with this? Does Gay equal unintelligent in your book?
@@Redmist-se7ld not if I’m interested you n the features. Which I am.
You all argue about how people have a right to arm up, and a right to choose what they arm up with. You can’t harp on my choice and still support that.
Does it come with USB-C?
so you dont lock it up, but your kid or neighbor or landscaper can walk in and grab it and bring it wherever they want. very interesting.
You can lock it up if you wanted to. Any of those people you listed wouldn’t be able to do anything with the gun
What happens when I'm wearing rubber gloves and have on my N95 mask? 😷
It’s HOME DEFENSE. Not concealed carry.
If it can be hacked, it’s no good! It lets an authorized user use it, therefore if it gets hacked then it’s still all on you. If the gun can unlock you to use it, then it can lock you out.
"Fire by wire" just sunk their hopes.
Planes fly by wire all the time, and cars drive by wire all the time.
Forget the smart gun, James is out here flexing his companionship with Gun Jesus
Uh... No! Not just no, but Hell no. No matter how reliable your firearm is there's always something that could go wrong. So why are we trying to throw something else into that shit sandwich? Even if it works perfectly, who's to say the owner doesn't get the absolute snot beat out of them before they can get to it. Now the damn thing doesn't recognize the owner's face, and won't activate? What if I have to shoot from retention and don't have time to bring it up to get a sight picture or for the camera to see my face? Look... To protect my kids of accidents or misuse I educated them. To keep intruders from stealing them, I secure them. Something like this just gives gun grabbers another way to control firearms by pricing them out of reach for your average person that's struggling to just keep the family safe and fed. If this catches on I promise that the young 21 year old student that can only afford $250 max to protect him or herself and the family won't be walking out of any gun store with a weapon.
Yet again, it has a fingerprint sensor. You only need that OR the facial ID. Its battery probably lasts for hours at minimum, and if it’s stored in the charger it’ll be full when you draw it. No one’s forcing you to buy one, and they’ve said they won’t sell in states where only smart guns are allowed.
I hate everything about this. If the trigger is electronically controlled, that opens it up to being electronically disabled.
Or start to fire full auto by itself when the firmware bug hits...
It’s OFF-LINE.
You… don’t understand how wires work do you? Unless you mean an emp? Which is a bit out of the budget of a home intruder.
It is a local system. It can’t be desabled or hacked because it doesn’t have any connection with other devices.
@@thekraken1173You would be surprised. Anything that isn't purely mechanical can be hacked and manipulated.
How reliable will it be if you drop it? will it disturb the functionality of the gun? How does the gun perform if it gets wet?
I hope this product fails in the worst way and soon!! Just another way for big brother to regulate the people.
Giving politicians a talking point to restrict non smart guns is not something I support, no matter how cool the tech.
Fire by wire is the worst idea I've heard in a while. Talk about guaranteed failures....... No physical linkage 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Garbage, this guys high school kid will be hacking the interface. The answer is safe gun ownership, handling and education, not one more gimmick.
This is the kind of technology that ought to be thrown into the molten vat at the end of Terminator 2.
NOPE.. NOPE... SO MUCH NOPE....
I LIKE THE ENGINEERING, DONT GET ME WRONG. BUT THIS IS LEADING US DOWN A SLIPPERY PATH
I don’t even like having an electronic optic on my firearms, guns should remain completely mechanical,- it’s the same difference between a paper ballot and a voting machine.
The Gatling gun manufacturers disagree with you.
it's funny a middle finger is used to unlock it, because that's what i'm giving it.
Can it take a suppressor and how much dose it cost?
Conceptually, this could be great. Unfortunately, doing it correctly is illegal.
Every computer has an administrator. That's the person who chooses what software the computer runs. If you don't know who the admin is, it's not you, and you don't really own the device. Unfortunately, if they let the end user actually control this device it would be a machine gun. That's illegal, so they won't do it. They will maintain full control of the software, which means the buyer doesn't really own it, which means I'm not going to buy it.
What fever--dream logic are you using to get to this conclusion? I haven't heard this one yet
I dont wanna relly on something not proven when my life is in danger
In a perfect world the concept is great. Until I see cops carrying these I’m gonna stick with a traditional gun.
Where are the real owners reviews?? They should have them by now..
Facts
For me this is proof of concept, not the final product.
I wonder how reliable the facial recognition is? Because a lot of people will be shooting it wearing gloves, so the finger print authentication is gone immediately.
By the time I retire I see this sort of thing being standardised.
Do you point it at your face in order for it to recognize you?
Ok Sir, that actually got a real deal LOL from me! 😆
The downer comments here are pretty amusing, remind me of all the FUDDs when red dots were growing in popularity. Its a new technology, it's gonna be expensive and clunky, it's not gonna be perfect out the gate.
fine as a choice but its a slippery slope to mandatory
Sadly I'd say it's more like a freight train moving at top speed to mandatory. Slowing down...nope....so unless it's a time machine and we hit 88mph, that trains going to take us right off into the ravine. Ohh, if you don't know the reference I'm throwing out, ya might want to visit the cafe 80's to learn more about it lol
Wake me up when it’ll analyze situations, interpret applicable laws and make shoot/don’t shoot decisions.
/s
So can it shoot at night time,because of the face camara ?
The Firearm that I will never buy..
I’d buy a hi point first.
@@f308gtb1977
Hi Point - the Champagne of firearms.
All I see is more points of failure.
The fingerprint reader makes this a big no, yes it has facial too but evidently both are used to turn on the weapon, you might need to grab it with your other hand, just like all the others no matter the hype they don't have a clue as to what gun owners require in a self defense weapon. How long does it take for it to go live, I noticed the demo shooters were pausing before pushing out and shooting? It has to be instantly shootable.
Or wear gloves
Actually, if you go and watch Ian's video you'll learn that the two different recognition systems are backups for one another. Only one of them has to work for the gun to fire. The idea is that this makes the system redundant; the chances of both failing are very very low.
@@davidnicholas7516 My google pixel has facial recognition and a fingerprint sensor as a backup. The facial recognition takes like a second, but when it doesn't work (bad lighting, whatever) you have to switch to the fingerprint sensor, which works most of the time if your fingers aren't sweaty or dirty. The whole process (facial recognition fail, switch to fingerprint, try two or three times with wiping fingers in between) takes like 15 seconds. Way too long for a gun.
It is acceptable for a phone where I'd usually have to type a password and the camera and sensor speed things up most of the time.
Dude both activate at once. You don’t have to select them.
Nope. That middle finger fingerprint sensor is only on one side or at least it looks like it. For a gun for actual defense, I need to be able to use it off hand in case I take a round to my strong arm. Also, unless that fingerprint sensor overrides the facial recognition, I have to still be able to use if if I take a graze to the face.
1 it’s one or the other. Unlock either one and you’re hot.
2 give it time. They might have sensors on both sides in the next one.
@@BrowncoatGofAZ 3. Buy a gun that's not an electronic toy and doesn't have this british cigarette bullshit
Did they calibrate with Hipoint?
Makes sense for cops.
Very cool, until you forget to charge it.
Or until someone hacks it and makes it shoot full auto in your holster.
Or sprays hairspray on it, brick gun
Maybe send one to actual Guntubers, especially those that can't be seemingly boughtout for review, I'm sure GarandThumb would love to review it.
But does it bluetooth with glock mags?
If this works new york, California, and places like that will force people to buy guns like this.
That's exactly what this guy wants. Imagine if you have to government forcing a requirement for people to buy your product.. You know, like insurance or big pharma.
"Imagine the compliance" --- pfizer CEO
Bingo! Eventually everywhere. The argument, if it's reliable, would be "why not?"
Well, they’re the places with statistically less gun crime, so what’s the problem? It won’t be mandated everywhere else?
@BrowncoatGofAZ it will be if the anti-gunners get their way.
@@BrowncoatGofAZ source? Because I say you're full of it
Not for me, but the tech actually seems fairly mature.
If it ain’t Dread’s Lawgiver… I don’t want it.
Smart=control. Amazon shut that dude's house off, because he was stupid enough to have a smart home and some random guy said "this dude's racist". Don't put more devices in your life that can control you.
Well I doubt this thing is connected to any network. Nobody could shut it off unless they for some reason designed it to be.
@@marksmanmerc1 If it's not already, and the company doesn't decide to do it for their own gain, states like NJ will legislate that they have to be. Probably hidden/presented as a "we need gps tracking on all of them, just so we can find them if they're stolen or lost".
@@marksmanmerc1 It's electronic. ANYTHING electronic can be disabled.
@@stevem4783 unless they have some wireless capability not really, they'd need to emp the shit. The biggest issue is reliability but these things still might be useful for prisons or if you have a nut in your house that you can't trust with a gun around.
@@marksmanmerc1 "some wireless capability", you mean like literally everything in the world that's wireless these days?
This tech is not useful, it's dangerous. It's the first step toward online registration of your device, the government will absolutely do it and allow for remote disabling.
Sorry, but I hope it fails miserably.
I'm not sorry F---k these guys.
Yep, don’t give anti gunners any ideas.
A great neat very interesting video and product.How does the Recogniser stand against the recoil impact and does it have a camera at the front?To prevent a suicide or for the corner shot?
As explained in the forgotten weapons video, it can be authenticated with either the finger or the face. If recoil brings your face out of line, you’re still authenticated with the finger.
@@translucentsquirrelofdarkn7138 Thank you.
Does the facial recognition work in the dark?
Yes, at least according to an interview with the CEO on the Bearing Arm's Cam & Co podcast from the episode back on 6/15.
@@markcmann complete darkness?
It works almost as well as an older iPhone, you shouldn’t bet your life on that junk
Cool concept, hope your company fails. No hard feelings, its just business.
Last thing I need to worry about is someone hacking my gun through wifi or Bluetooth
RSO: get off my range
Do not want
Every federal agent should have one...for safety.