MT tires are notorious for being really bad in light snow. They’re pretty good in deep, deep snow but if you want good traction in anything less than a foot of snow, you need a 3 peak mountain snow rated tire.
@@Ryan-yo4dgif you’re not off roading (or at least not doing super hard off roading) live in a climate that gets a decent amount of snow and want a good tire that won’t hurt mileage or drivability, look into Yokohama Geolandar AT G015. Three peak mountain snow rated, not a super aggressive tread, and I used to get 20 mpg on them with my jeep wrangler when I had them on it.
Huh? I remember a Motor Trend article rated different snow and mud tires, and the mud tires did better than the snow (non-studded) tires. They summarized it was because of the slightly larger, sloped/angled recesses that made the difference evacuating the snow from in between the tread.
@ - Seemed odd to me too, but that was their conclusion, that the mud tread worked better in snow than the snow tires. It was many years ago, maybe tires have changed? 🤷🏽♂️
4:03 sipes are for ice bite, a good snow tire needs less space between the lugs because you actually want the tire to hold the snow. Snow grips to snow, MT tires throw snow and dig so they're pretty awful in those kind of conditions.
Ironically you’re both right in your own way😅 Yes she was wrong, siping is meant to fill with snow, cause snow sticks better to other snow/ice than bare rubber does. Thus, an MT tire is not good on ice snow or ice (your typical on road situations). However as someone who daily drives a Wrangler with 37 inch Nitto Trail Grapplers in North Dakota, an MT is definitely the tire you want for deep snow, aka snow wheeling. They’re terrible on packed snow, but in deep snow they don’t get packed in, thus they act similarly to a snowmobile track in the sense that the big lugs act as paddles clawing through the snow. Versus a winter or 3 peak tire that would just get completely packed in with snow and lose forward momentum. Which is why dedicated snow wheelers buy MT tires, and then custom sipe them
The more edges on the lugs plus the sipes and compound used is what makes a good snow tire. M/T is better for rock and Off-roading in dirt or mud conditions. As they have mentioned the big three, my opinion is the Falken Wildpeak AT 3. We run them on a Tundra and Tacoma. Unstoppable in the snow. Only wish we had the chance to run our trucks in Beautiful Colorado. So jealous. Great video Tommy and Jen.
Definitely not needed, but also very useful to have if you drive to work in a climate where you are constantly switching between well maintained “dry” pavement and unmaintained snow and ice covered backroads. Winter tires got me through them in two wheel drive for years, but having auto 4-HI (“all wheel drive”) makes the drive much more relaxing, at the cost of a slightly less durable transfer case if you do aggressive rock crawling.
Your experience isn’t super relevant. Snow conditions, and thus traction, change from day to day and often hour to hour. Comparing what you did a whole year ago to this doesn’t jive.
This blue looks beautiful. Always one of my favorite colors and pops in the snow. Agreed on the price. I couldn’t buy a 2020+ let alone a 2024 without LED headlights. I totally get the auto 4WD, but traditional headlights don’t cut it anymore.
If you pay close attention, you can see that the snow is just building up in the gaps between the treat in the tire. A proper snow tire would be cut in such a way as to mitigate that issue. The 2021 Grand Cherokee I had before my current car was an absolute beast in the winter. I live in northern New England and the university where I work never closes for snow storms. That Jeep got me through many a blizzard.
Think again. Proper snow tires are built to keep snow and ice in the spaces between tread blocks. It helps tremendously with traction on packed snow and ice, as the snow in the tires grips the snow on the ground. Mud tires are built to evacuate material quickly, but they generally need to be spun harder to do so, which is what you’re seeing (or not seeing) here.
That was an awesome 1st snow test, the new tires will be a vast improvement! Also, little traction control trick for the JL, and JT, hold down the traction control button for more than 5 seconds I believe, and it will COMPLETELY disable traction control, and stability control. Curious to see that test in snow 👍. Also, airing down definitely would help. Great video guys! Jen is definitely fitting in great!
I'm not sure if this is still the case with JLs, but when you hit the traction control off button in a JK, it only turns it "off" 30%...press and hold it for 7 seconds will turn dial it back 70%...to truly disable it completely you've gotta pull some fuses!
Problem with driving on freshly snowed trails is everything looks smooth. But you don’t know if there is a massive rock hidden there, or a big ditch, or… because from the top of the snow everything is smooth.
You're very correct when you say that having to complain about pulling a lever next to the shifter to put the Jeep in 4WD is a 'weenie' complaint- just shift it. If you want a computer to do all the work for you, go buy a really expensive Honda that will get stuck. If you want to actually go in the snow, go buy a Subaru and put some aggressive tires on it and have fun. Good video.
7:46 that jeep got it going on in 4-Hi. I used to have a Mazda MPV 4wd and it had 4-hi and 4-low but I used to use it in 4-hi and kinda set it and forget it, although after attempting Tokyo Drift on my way to work one morning i sent it into a sidewalk and the steering was never the same. Great video you two.
Cool video. Not the biggest Jeep fan but love any vehicle that can hold up off-road. Will see much better results when those M/Ts come off tomorrow. Fun to watch you guys.
What a great little vehicle. And I'm shocked at how good BLD works, I would never have expected it to be such a huge improvement over open diffs. I'd love to see a comparison of similar Jeeps, one with BLD and one with lockers.
@@jeepinintexas6215yeah I’ve done the harder end of 4/10 trails and never even gotten close to stuck. Granted I’m lifted 3”, regeared to 4.88s and have 35” tires on a JLU Sport but I crave something harder. Just don’t have any friends to go out with in case I get over my head. 😂 The thing about that LSD is it works really well in low traction conditions so it keeps you from breaking traction. My Sport on 35s will do better than a rubicon with the lockers off, because the LSD is so good at keeping me from breaking traction. Of course, it’s not as good as a rig that has lockers once I get to the point of breaking traction.
As Tommy has shown on other winter videos getting a winter specific tire will do more than 4x4/AWD. Unless your commute looks like what they are driving on you can get by with an Accord. I drove around a few winter in a 1992 Acura Integra 3-door with almost bald all seasons in Yakima Washington snowstorms and never got stuck.
@@Offshore1977 pre-2024, the Willys was a Sport with Rubicon springs/shocks, rock rails and a limited slip rear differential plus 32” MTs. The gearing was the same as a sport , the fender flares were the same as a sport, it had a front Dana 30 and there was no rear locker. The Willys after 2024 is much better - Dana 44s as standard, front and rear, 33” MTs rather than 32s, rubicon high clearance fender flares, 4.10 gearing, and maybe most important of all, a rear locking differential. Honestly, the difference between a Willys and Rubicon after the 2024 model year is that Rubicons have a front locker and electronic disconnecting sway bar and that’s about it.
If you're worried about getting to work or the grocery store, you don't need a wrangler, you need snow tires Drove most of my life in Canadian winter in 2wd sedans. It was completely fine. AWD and 4WD are good offroad tools, but if you're on maintained roads, don't waste your money if that's the only reason you're considering a fancier drivetrain
I drove a 2002 Sonoma 2WD, extended cab, long box for 10 years. Two years ago, in February, I drove almost 3,000 kilometers from Alberta to Ontario to trade it in for a 2016 Canyon 2WD extended cab, long box. On the drive home, I got stuck once, but I always carry a shovel and tire chains and got unstuck with a little digging. Every winter, I see 4x4 trucks and SUVs in the ditch because people become overconfident. A rubber tire is limited in how much it can get traction on ice.
I drove around a few winters in Yakima Washington in a front wheel drive 1992 Acura Integra 3-door. That little car never got stuck even when almost bald all seasons. That little car is the one I should have kept and brought home with me instead of the craptastic PT Cruiser.
@J.Young808 When I was a kid I only met two guys that owned a 4x4. Now everyone says you "need" a 4x4 to drive in the snow. Every 4x4 commercial has someone driving on a perfectly graded dirt or gravel road. People believe you can't drive on dirt unless you have a 4x4. Out of all the people that buy a Colorado ZR2 only a small percentage will ever use the front locker. I don't know why everyone is so obsessed with 4x4s. I will keep driving a 2WD because I don't go rock crawling or mud bogging and I don't "need" a 4x4. Now I'm obsessed with 2WD trucks like prerunners and street performance sport trucks. There was a prerunner owner on Terra Crew that said if you have enough horsepower you don't need four wheel drive. When the PT Cruiser came out I liked the retro styling.
The western U.S. has lots of rural areas that aren’t plowed in areas that get big mountain snow storms. People without 4x4s are home bound until the snow melts or gets compacted enough to drive on. No one has two sets of tires ie snow tires here as the snow doesn’t last as long here. 4x4s suit the recreational and work ethos for the people who live in there.
Great video! Had a JL Rubicon that had the Falken MT's from the factory. For an MT tire, I too was less than impressed with their grip in pretty much any off road situation (dry, mud, snow, etc). When I replaced them with Cooper STT Pros, I was blown away at the night and day difference the tires made. Felt almost like a whole new Jeep at that point. Love these videos!
I put 35’s STT PRO on my 2 door Rubicon. Was absolutely incredible in all situations. I just put Falken AT4’s on my Crosstrek Wilderness. Waiting to see how this will do in the snow.
These tires came with my ‘24 Willys and I toyed with having the dealer swap them out for K02’s or ATW4’s. I’m regretting not doing that but I guess we’ll see how they manage this winter. I live in a small city in a snow belt without too many big hills.
In the winter I see a lot of trucks in Canada with KO2 or Toyo Open Country A/T III tires. I have the Toyo A/T IIIs on the back of my 2WD truck because I prefer the Toyo tread pattern. Both seem to work fine and All Terrain tires are better than Mud Terrain tires in snow and ice.
I put a throttle controller in mine for snow - the traction control even when off will cut power at the wrong time but with the throttle controller set more aggressively you can get past some of those slippy obstacles.
There's a cinnamon roll place in Estes Park on the way to the park entrance that's got the good stuff. Y'all should stop by next time you go through there.
Impressive overall! The thing I’ve learned the most from watching tons of off roading videos is that keeping momentum is critical. Even going slow people always back off a bit right after they get past a small obstacle. I think in these videos they want the drama of stopping or backing off to stress what the vehicle capabilities are so I expect it in the car review videos, but you see it all the time in regular videos on other channels too.
I think the Wrangler’s do better in the snow when they have a true limited slip differential. I had a 2010, and now a 2014 JK 2 door and they both cruised through the snow.
Might be different here in central Oregon, but none of us go snowwheeling with more than 12 psi in our tires. I generally run 4-6 psi in my 33’s on a 5th gen 4Runner depending on conditions. Also, throttle is *not* your friend in the snow unless you like digging or replacing parts.
Been snow wheeling in Co for 20+ years in a wide variety of vehicles and capabilities....nothing matters more than tire traction, ground clearance, weight and momentum. I'd recommend tire chains before any other mod if this is your thing. Also, do not wheel alone in the snow ever. S hit happens in a hurry and it's always better to have a backup vehicle with you.
Watching, i feel like in snow, The fancy Brake Diff lock.. seems to really throw the jeep around in the snow rather then helping, It brakes one tire, jerking the entire jeep in the direction of the attempted brake lock
A/T - All Terrain; M/T - Mud Terrain. Tire guy sold me years ago on unidirectional dedicated snow tires instead of MTs. He was right. I don't still run them, but they were AMAZING in snow.
And here we sit in Lafayette. It's 80 degrees and 90% humidity. We were just having a conversation about colder weather and snow. I guess this is for me.
You say those Nexan HTX2 all season were pretty dreadful but did you try them in the snow? They're bloody fantastic and if your towing a lot one of the best I've used in the wet.
I would like to see what a dedicated winter tire would do here. Something like the Blizzak DMV2'S. They out perform any offroad three peak on road. Would be nice to see them offroad in the snow.
Did you guy's ever hear of Mickey Thompson tires? Seriously the best off road tires. I remember the Baja Belted from the 80's great tire. I am currently running Mickey Baja Legend EXP hybrid tire. It is exceeding all my expectations so far. I just haven't had snow yet. I do not recall TFL ever running Mickey Thompson. I believe you should look into it.
jen has such a great attitude and personality. I know she said on the " attracte a date series" she is more an editor, but she is great and love she doesn't pretend she knows more than she doesn't, She is great!!
Good thing you didn't try this in a new Tacoma. At the first hint of slippage in 4wd the front differential would have broke something and stranded you. Hahaha 🤣😂
I got a set of 33" milestar Patagonias 9n my 2017 JK. Which i recebtly bought 5 months ago. I love it. After seeing MOOR tackle all different terrains with them. And they are great. On road isn't bad at all. And on trails they are great. I had 31s 9n my XJ AND they did amazing on snow. I've ALWAYS bought SNOW tires for winter. But I also always drove a 2wd truck. And there was a mass8ve difference between AT tires and sbowtires. But the Patagonia tread is amazing My state doesn't have really any offload areas. A small handful of small spots. But soon I wanna bring it up to new Hampshire for the off road park there. It's only 4hrs away
This may sound backwards to most people, but I have always had the worst luck in snow with AT tires and I always do really well in mud tires and I think it’s because whenever I go snow wheel thing it’s like at least a foot deep if not more
Hey TFL being its snow season in Colorado now y'all should try a set Mickey Thompson Baja Boss® A/T tires in LT255/85R17.....its a 35X10, I installed them last year on my 2022 base Bronco and went snow riding in Tennessee last year with all my jeep bubbies, they was all running the normal 12" plus wide tire and they had Rubicon models, in they snow with no lockers on my base Bronco I was the only one in the 3 day weekend that never had to winch, the traction I had with those skinny tires in the snow was mind blowing compared to the other four jeeps and one Lexus GX in the group, so good that one of them bought a set of the Mickey's soon after and another traded his jeep off and got a bronco but he said he will run the stock Sasquatch tires for now 🤣
Narrower tires tend to “bite” better in snow. Shallow snow, at least. Their jeep isn’t lifted so 35” tall tires would probably be too much without a lift.
I would have liked to see Bill take on the crossover test track you have before you put the MTs on it. Just how well does a stock jeep do against everyone else.
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🤣🤣 TOMMY.... I swear its 12 inches! SHE said NO...only 4 inches Tommy boy!
Dimwit.
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Those two are gonna end up together...The gal might wind up teaching him a thing or two...
“Why are women so bad at parallel parking? Because they’ve been lied to their whole lives about what 8 inches is!”
@@pacocandanobruh he’s married and theyre just charismatic
I find that lowering the tire pressure works wonders on low traction environments.
That’s pretty basic knowledge for off-roading
yeah but then you can't say the new tyre sponsor is so much better.
MT tires are notorious for being really bad in light snow. They’re pretty good in deep, deep snow but if you want good traction in anything less than a foot of snow, you need a 3 peak mountain snow rated tire.
I'm in the market for new tires on my Grand Cherokee, this is good to know, thank you.
@@Ryan-yo4dgif you’re not off roading (or at least not doing super hard off roading) live in a climate that gets a decent amount of snow and want a good tire that won’t hurt mileage or drivability, look into Yokohama Geolandar AT G015. Three peak mountain snow rated, not a super aggressive tread, and I used to get 20 mpg on them with my jeep wrangler when I had them on it.
Huh? I remember a Motor Trend article rated different snow and mud tires, and the mud tires did better than the snow (non-studded) tires. They summarized it was because of the slightly larger, sloped/angled recesses that made the difference evacuating the snow from in between the tread.
@@Erin-Thorthat seems odd. The big lugs help in _deep_ snow but on road for 6, 8, 10 inches? Way worse than an all terrain. It’s gotta do with siping.
@ - Seemed odd to me too, but that was their conclusion, that the mud tread worked better in snow than the snow tires. It was many years ago, maybe tires have changed? 🤷🏽♂️
4:03 sipes are for ice bite, a good snow tire needs less space between the lugs because you actually want the tire to hold the snow. Snow grips to snow, MT tires throw snow and dig so they're pretty awful in those kind of conditions.
not true, All my snow wheelers are big lugged siped tires. 6" to over hood, they work.
Ironically you’re both right in your own way😅 Yes she was wrong, siping is meant to fill with snow, cause snow sticks better to other snow/ice than bare rubber does. Thus, an MT tire is not good on ice snow or ice (your typical on road situations). However as someone who daily drives a Wrangler with 37 inch Nitto Trail Grapplers in North Dakota, an MT is definitely the tire you want for deep snow, aka snow wheeling. They’re terrible on packed snow, but in deep snow they don’t get packed in, thus they act similarly to a snowmobile track in the sense that the big lugs act as paddles clawing through the snow. Versus a winter or 3 peak tire that would just get completely packed in with snow and lose forward momentum. Which is why dedicated snow wheelers buy MT tires, and then custom sipe them
The more edges on the lugs plus the sipes and compound used is what makes a good snow tire. M/T is better for rock and Off-roading in dirt or mud conditions. As they have mentioned the big three, my opinion is the Falken Wildpeak AT 3. We run them on a Tundra and Tacoma. Unstoppable in the snow. Only wish we had the chance to run our trucks in Beautiful Colorado. So jealous. Great video Tommy and Jen.
Good Job on getting more people active in TFL Trucks is gives us the people a different perspective on the content you guys and ladies are giving us.
I’m glad you said it was a weenie thing to complain about because when you complained about it I was like “WHAT?!?!?!” 😂
Definitely not needed, but also very useful to have if you drive to work in a climate where you are constantly switching between well maintained “dry” pavement and unmaintained snow and ice covered backroads. Winter tires got me through them in two wheel drive for years, but having auto 4-HI (“all wheel drive”) makes the drive much more relaxing, at the cost of a slightly less durable transfer case if you do aggressive rock crawling.
I love this style of video. Reminds me of the Christmas one in the WK2 a few years back. It’s become a Christmas tradition to watch every year
Jen is a great addition to the team, you can tell she has an understanding and a passion for vehicles 👍
If they didn’t already explain her background, I would have thought she was an experienced automotive journalist. She’s a natural at it
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Is this Tommy's girlfriend?
I like her just fine, but it’s obvious she’s very green and has a long way to go. I look forward to see her growth.
@@greatness3554 no
Went up that same trail a year ago. 2007 JK on KO2s, aired down to 20, in 8-10 inches and had no problem.
k02s are killer tire in the snow. way better then the m/t crap hes using
Your experience isn’t super relevant. Snow conditions, and thus traction, change from day to day and often hour to hour. Comparing what you did a whole year ago to this doesn’t jive.
This blue looks beautiful. Always one of my favorite colors and pops in the snow.
Agreed on the price. I couldn’t buy a 2020+ let alone a 2024 without LED headlights. I totally get the auto 4WD, but traditional headlights don’t cut it anymore.
Very enjoyable video !! And Jens such a great addition to the TFL Team !
That was fun. I kept wanting to reach out to my screen to help you up the hills when you got stuck. Great video.
If you pay close attention, you can see that the snow is just building up in the gaps between the treat in the tire. A proper snow tire would be cut in such a way as to mitigate that issue. The 2021 Grand Cherokee I had before my current car was an absolute beast in the winter. I live in northern New England and the university where I work never closes for snow storms. That Jeep got me through many a blizzard.
Think again. Proper snow tires are built to keep snow and ice in the spaces between tread blocks. It helps tremendously with traction on packed snow and ice, as the snow in the tires grips the snow on the ground. Mud tires are built to evacuate material quickly, but they generally need to be spun harder to do so, which is what you’re seeing (or not seeing) here.
I think it's time to let Jen drive. Your a great teacher -- So, let Jen drive. FCC in Arizona
MT’s have hard rubber compound, and are useless in cold snow icy conditions, we should all know that by now. Great heaters in these Wranglers! 🇺🇸👍🏼
That was an awesome 1st snow test, the new tires will be a vast improvement! Also, little traction control trick for the JL, and JT, hold down the traction control button for more than 5 seconds I believe, and it will COMPLETELY disable traction control, and stability control. Curious to see that test in snow 👍. Also, airing down definitely would help. Great video guys! Jen is definitely fitting in great!
I'm not sure if this is still the case with JLs, but when you hit the traction control off button in a JK, it only turns it "off" 30%...press and hold it for 7 seconds will turn dial it back 70%...to truly disable it completely you've gotta pull some fuses!
Agreed Jen is a great addition to the TEAM
I just watched Andre's video, he also complained about not having a auto 4wd on his Tundra. LOL
Must run in the company.
Problem with driving on freshly snowed trails is everything looks smooth. But you don’t know if there is a massive rock hidden there, or a big ditch, or… because from the top of the snow everything is smooth.
Mud train tires are usually harder for the mud digging. Snow tires would do much better
Great video! Jen and Tommy are great together!
Always nice to see you guys suffering along with me in the Colorado weather. Perfect review for this early storm.
As another commenter said, it would be nice to see TFL run some Mickey Thompsons in the snow.
You're very correct when you say that having to complain about pulling a lever next to the shifter to put the Jeep in 4WD is a 'weenie' complaint- just shift it. If you want a computer to do all the work for you, go buy a really expensive Honda that will get stuck. If you want to actually go in the snow, go buy a Subaru and put some aggressive tires on it and have fun. Good video.
Yep, my old Subaru goes better in the snow than my Jeep.
7:46 that jeep got it going on in 4-Hi. I used to have a Mazda MPV 4wd and it had 4-hi and 4-low but I used to use it in 4-hi and kinda set it and forget it, although after attempting Tokyo Drift on my way to work one morning i sent it into a sidewalk and the steering was never the same. Great video you two.
Nice video fun and informative, nicely done, Tommy and Jen Jen, a super fun team
Jen is wonderful! I think I have a crush!!!
6:14 If I may be permitted a moment of chauvinism: wow that was extremely suggestive! Moment passed: great video. Good addition to the series.
Tommy is an exceptional driver, a plus for the cheap jeep.
I'm really excited to see the tire shout-out. Nice work, team.
Cool video. Not the biggest Jeep fan but love any vehicle that can hold up off-road. Will see much better results when those M/Ts come off tomorrow. Fun to watch you guys.
never really thought about it, but that 3.6 with the 8 spd in such a small little jeep is probably quiet peppy
You're so good with metric measurements Tommy!!! 😆
And YAY! KO3:s!!! I'm excited for that!
What a great little vehicle. And I'm shocked at how good BLD works, I would never have expected it to be such a huge improvement over open diffs. I'd love to see a comparison of similar Jeeps, one with BLD and one with lockers.
I have a clutch pack limited slip in the rear axle of my 2dr JK from the factory. Coupled with the BLD it works great off road.
@@jeepinintexas6215yeah I’ve done the harder end of 4/10 trails and never even gotten close to stuck. Granted I’m lifted 3”, regeared to 4.88s and have 35” tires on a JLU Sport but I crave something harder. Just don’t have any friends to go out with in case I get over my head. 😂 The thing about that LSD is it works really well in low traction conditions so it keeps you from breaking traction. My Sport on 35s will do better than a rubicon with the lockers off, because the LSD is so good at keeping me from breaking traction. Of course, it’s not as good as a rig that has lockers once I get to the point of breaking traction.
It's like Nathan driving. Pedal to the floor. LOL
This snow has been amazing!! Basically did some rally stages in my raptor. It was raptor heaven
TFL 2nd Generation is in good hands,keep up the good work,Greetings from the Midwest 😊
As Tommy has shown on other winter videos getting a winter specific tire will do more than 4x4/AWD. Unless your commute looks like what they are driving on you can get by with an Accord. I drove around a few winter in a 1992 Acura Integra 3-door with almost bald all seasons in Yakima Washington snowstorms and never got stuck.
Unles it’s a new Tacoma.
Good winter tires and that would have been a totally different experience.
Love this series as I too own a cheap Jeep
I'm a big fan of this little blue Jeep 🚙 it's got a good vibe to it🎉
My uncle had a 1970s Jeep J5 wrangler. It rode like a brick. Every bump was rough. The new ones are a lot more advanced.
Jen is a good addition to the channel 👍 and chicks love jeeps and that thing is pretty unstoppable wow 👍 🇺🇸
@13:45 Toyota Tacoma has a super cool safety feature that would’ve automatically shut off or snapped the driveline, preventing any damage.
I will watch anything with Jen in it! Beautiful and smart!
The 392 Wrangler has the 4-Auto. It's one of the first things most of us disable.
Heck of a drive right there. Well done TFL.
Love this Wrangler and your Wrangler videos. It is extremely capable. I can only imagine if it were a Willys edition.
@@Offshore1977 pre-2024, the Willys was a Sport with Rubicon springs/shocks, rock rails and a limited slip rear differential plus 32” MTs. The gearing was the same as a sport , the fender flares were the same as a sport, it had a front Dana 30 and there was no rear locker. The Willys after 2024 is much better - Dana 44s as standard, front and rear, 33” MTs rather than 32s, rubicon high clearance fender flares, 4.10 gearing, and maybe most important of all, a rear locking differential. Honestly, the difference between a Willys and Rubicon after the 2024 model year is that Rubicons have a front locker and electronic disconnecting sway bar and that’s about it.
@@backwoodstherapy
Rubicon also has 4:1 transfer case ratio.
She is good giving the video some personality i also like when she mentioned broncos and 4 runners
Best tire combo for those specific conditions is a RT with studs. An AT with snowflake is not that great in deeper stuff.
One of the important factor in these snowy conditions will be open differentials.
If you're worried about getting to work or the grocery store, you don't need a wrangler, you need snow tires
Drove most of my life in Canadian winter in 2wd sedans. It was completely fine. AWD and 4WD are good offroad tools, but if you're on maintained roads, don't waste your money if that's the only reason you're considering a fancier drivetrain
I drove a 2002 Sonoma 2WD, extended cab, long box for 10 years. Two years ago, in February, I drove almost 3,000 kilometers from Alberta to Ontario to trade it in for a 2016 Canyon 2WD extended cab, long box. On the drive home, I got stuck once, but I always carry a shovel and tire chains and got unstuck with a little digging. Every winter, I see 4x4 trucks and SUVs in the ditch because people become overconfident. A rubber tire is limited in how much it can get traction on ice.
I drove around a few winters in Yakima Washington in a front wheel drive 1992 Acura Integra 3-door. That little car never got stuck even when almost bald all seasons. That little car is the one I should have kept and brought home with me instead of the craptastic PT Cruiser.
@J.Young808 When I was a kid I only met two guys that owned a 4x4. Now everyone says you "need" a 4x4 to drive in the snow. Every 4x4 commercial has someone driving on a perfectly graded dirt or gravel road. People believe you can't drive on dirt unless you have a 4x4. Out of all the people that buy a Colorado ZR2 only a small percentage will ever use the front locker. I don't know why everyone is so obsessed with 4x4s. I will keep driving a 2WD because I don't go rock crawling or mud bogging and I don't "need" a 4x4. Now I'm obsessed with 2WD trucks like prerunners and street performance sport trucks. There was a prerunner owner on Terra Crew that said if you have enough horsepower you don't need four wheel drive. When the PT Cruiser came out I liked the retro styling.
The western U.S. has lots of rural areas that aren’t plowed in areas that get big mountain snow storms. People without 4x4s are home bound until the snow melts or gets compacted enough to drive on. No one has two sets of tires ie snow tires here as the snow doesn’t last as long here. 4x4s suit the recreational and work ethos for the people who live in there.
And they don’t typically salt the roads.
Snow!!! Yes, hopefully we get some here in northern Ohio this year so I can test these new Nokian Outlander nAT's out on my 2-door.
Note to self - when the TFL cheap Jeep hits the market run the other way...😁
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These are meant for this. Didn’t hurt it a bit
Never seen a Jeep used the way it was meant to be, eh? 😅
Great video! Had a JL Rubicon that had the Falken MT's from the factory. For an MT tire, I too was less than impressed with their grip in pretty much any off road situation (dry, mud, snow, etc). When I replaced them with Cooper STT Pros, I was blown away at the night and day difference the tires made. Felt almost like a whole new Jeep at that point. Love these videos!
I put 35’s STT PRO on my 2 door Rubicon. Was absolutely incredible in all situations. I just put Falken AT4’s on my Crosstrek Wilderness. Waiting to see how this will do in the snow.
*Where is the blizzard??*
These tires came with my ‘24 Willys and I toyed with having the dealer swap them out for K02’s or ATW4’s. I’m regretting not doing that but I guess we’ll see how they manage this winter. I live in a small city in a snow belt without too many big hills.
In the winter I see a lot of trucks in Canada with KO2 or Toyo Open Country A/T III tires. I have the Toyo A/T IIIs on the back of my 2WD truck because I prefer the Toyo tread pattern. Both seem to work fine and All Terrain tires are better than Mud Terrain tires in snow and ice.
Cant wait to see how the tire tests goes, Im thinking of upgrading to the Falkens from a Michelin All Season.
I put a throttle controller in mine for snow - the traction control even when off will cut power at the wrong time but with the throttle controller set more aggressively you can get past some of those slippy obstacles.
There's a cinnamon roll place in Estes Park on the way to the park entrance that's got the good stuff. Y'all should stop by next time you go through there.
Impressive overall! The thing I’ve learned the most from watching tons of off roading videos is that keeping momentum is critical. Even going slow people always back off a bit right after they get past a small obstacle. I think in these videos they want the drama of stopping or backing off to stress what the vehicle capabilities are so I expect it in the car review videos, but you see it all the time in regular videos on other channels too.
You need to lower the tire pressures little it would be much better in the snow with those tires
Full throttle in 4 low. That is some trust on the drivetrain right there.
They're built for that
I think the Wrangler’s do better in the snow when they have a true limited slip differential. I had a 2010, and now a 2014 JK 2 door and they both cruised through the snow.
Wednesday was a great day for a little snow driving
I recommend Mickey Thompson Baja boss A/T there triple peak rated !! Best tires out for sure 👍
Might be different here in central Oregon, but none of us go snowwheeling with more than 12 psi in our tires. I generally run 4-6 psi in my 33’s on a 5th gen 4Runner depending on conditions. Also, throttle is *not* your friend in the snow unless you like digging or replacing parts.
would have come join you all for bunce in the snow! nice to see your laying down 1st tracks
I ran Toyo RT and Toyo AT and the difference in lateral snow stability was drastically different with the AT. But those RT’s took an absolute beating.
Like most men, Tommy sees 12”, Jen (being kind) calls it 8”. The truth is probably closer to 5.5”-6”
Been snow wheeling in Co for 20+ years in a wide variety of vehicles and capabilities....nothing matters more than tire traction, ground clearance, weight and momentum. I'd recommend tire chains before any other mod if this is your thing. Also, do not wheel alone in the snow ever. S hit happens in a hurry and it's always better to have a backup vehicle with you.
Be cool to see the new AT tires go head to head in the snow 👍
Nokian Hakkapeliitta - true winter tires. I have them on my wrangler and grand cherokee. I have studded on my wrangler , no sliding on icy roads.
Watching, i feel like in snow, The fancy Brake Diff lock.. seems to really throw the jeep around in the snow rather then helping, It brakes one tire, jerking the entire jeep in the direction of the attempted brake lock
4 auto is underrated, especially if it's my daily, I go on the highway 110km at average speed, and that binding from the 4x4.
Aw man, enjoy the snow, I wish we had snow like that here in NY :c
That deep fluffy snow condition and rock steps with that Jeepster needs a full on nathan (used as verb)!
A/T - All Terrain; M/T - Mud Terrain. Tire guy sold me years ago on unidirectional dedicated snow tires instead of MTs. He was right. I don't still run them, but they were AMAZING in snow.
And here we sit in Lafayette. It's 80 degrees and 90% humidity. We were just having a conversation about colder weather and snow. I guess this is for me.
The sport has an open differential. Nothing wrong with that. I have a sport also. With BFG trail terrain tires. 4cyl turbo. 4 door.
You say those Nexan HTX2 all season were pretty dreadful but did you try them in the snow? They're bloody fantastic and if your towing a lot one of the best I've used in the wet.
I would like to see what a dedicated winter tire would do here. Something like the Blizzak DMV2'S. They out perform any offroad three peak on road. Would be nice to see them offroad in the snow.
MT doesn’t mean maximum grip mate. Depends on the conditions. They also clear their treads when they spin which is not what you want in snow.
I hope y'all do a D90 comparison on the first Snow too! 😎
Lower your tire pressure to 8-15 psi it will help a lot.
Tommy, ya didn't air down huh? Snow wheeling lookin very solo. Hope you have back up?!. And once you bond with the right momentum, can be butter...
Did you guy's ever hear of Mickey Thompson tires? Seriously the best off road tires. I remember the Baja Belted from the 80's great tire. I am currently running Mickey Baja Legend EXP hybrid tire. It is exceeding all my expectations so far. I just haven't had snow yet. I do not recall TFL ever running Mickey Thompson. I believe you should look into it.
Jenn is a cool girl. Great addition!
jen has such a great attitude and personality. I know she said on the " attracte a date series" she is more an editor, but she is great and love she doesn't pretend she knows more than she doesn't, She is great!!
I think you confusing both Mary and Jen. This one is the new hire while the one you are saying was the one that is the video editor for tfl.
@@jotinajero97Jen is in those videos also.
Cant wait to see how the defender does on the snow
Good thing you didn't try this in a new Tacoma. At the first hint of slippage in 4wd the front differential would have broke something and stranded you. Hahaha 🤣😂
I got a set of 33" milestar Patagonias 9n my 2017 JK. Which i recebtly bought 5 months ago. I love it. After seeing MOOR tackle all different terrains with them. And they are great. On road isn't bad at all. And on trails they are great. I had 31s 9n my XJ AND they did amazing on snow. I've ALWAYS bought SNOW tires for winter. But I also always drove a 2wd truck. And there was a mass8ve difference between AT tires and sbowtires. But the Patagonia tread is amazing
My state doesn't have really any offload areas. A small handful of small spots. But soon I wanna bring it up to new Hampshire for the off road park there. It's only 4hrs away
I wanna play out there in my Rubicon but its a little far from PA
This may sound backwards to most people, but I have always had the worst luck in snow with AT tires and I always do really well in mud tires and I think it’s because whenever I go snow wheel thing it’s like at least a foot deep if not more
Hey TFL being its snow season in Colorado now y'all should try a set Mickey Thompson Baja Boss® A/T tires in LT255/85R17.....its a 35X10, I installed them last year on my 2022 base Bronco and went snow riding in Tennessee last year with all my jeep bubbies, they was all running the normal 12" plus wide tire and they had Rubicon models, in they snow with no lockers on my base Bronco I was the only one in the 3 day weekend that never had to winch, the traction I had with those skinny tires in the snow was mind blowing compared to the other four jeeps and one Lexus GX in the group, so good that one of them bought a set of the Mickey's soon after and another traded his jeep off and got a bronco but he said he will run the stock Sasquatch tires for now 🤣
Narrower tires tend to “bite” better in snow. Shallow snow, at least. Their jeep isn’t lifted so 35” tall tires would probably be too much without a lift.
I would be interested in seeing TFL run some 33" Mickey Thompsons in the snow.
The 2dr doesn't have the automatic 4wd because that transfercase is longer, and it won't physically fit due to the short wheelbase.
I would have liked to see Bill take on the crossover test track you have before you put the MTs on it. Just how well does a stock jeep do against everyone else.
Novice here; time stamp 13.00 onwards-we would have added our chains in Europe by now I guess. ?
I’d love to see you do exactly the same thing in the Land Rover