Check out the March 2020 episode of Christ the Center when they interview Dr. Dolezal about his new book. They get into the "mutualism" of both Frame and Oliphant specifically. ...also see Dr. Tipton's Van Til seminar, especially the series on VT's Trinitarianism. He covers the mutualist and "backdoor mutualist" theologies, especially Frame and Oliphint's. One might even say the entire seminar is a sort of attempt to wrest the VTllian narrative away from the erstwhile gatekeepers and establish new guidelines. Say what we might about Dr. Tipton's motives here, we might have to admit that sometimes we need gates and gatekeepers. Plus no theologian is perfect and for myself, I've listened through his VT seminars multiple times and think they're the best thing in VT studies in over a decade. Much needed and appreciated... ...only, for us who appreciate and enjoy analytic theology, Dr. Tipton can be incredibly frustrating. 😂 ...there is a "there there" worth the perseverance...
I don't follow the part where you have to take Thomas as "all or nothing" (1:50). He CAN be taken piecemeal precisely because he was a big fan of demonstration. Insofar as any Reformed Thomist can identify where his reasoning is flawed and stick to sola scriptura: citing authority of the Pope, citing the apocrypha, etc: we can legitimately appreciate the well-defended side of Thomas' philosophical theology while discarding the not-so-well defended aspect of his Roman Catholicism. After all, even Van Til appropriated the parts of Hegel's philosophy he thought was corect and discarded the parts that wete wrong. If selective (and right) synthesis is good enough for Van Til, why then do Reformed Thomist can't so selective syntheisis based on correct reasoning either?
Great comment. Came to say the same thing in essence. It's strange to say you need to accept either all of Aquinas or none. Roman Catholics tend to appeal to different sources of authority when defending different doctrines because they're forced to. You won't get the bodily assumption of Mary from the Bible alone.
I don't think they mean that you can't take from thomas at all But mainly that he has a systematic philosophy that is contrary to reformed thought And van til has a philosophical system of thought that is more in line with reformed thought I guess you can picture a ven diagram and the things in the middle are fine (because van til and aquinas agree on a great deal of things) but where they disagree its over their foundational differences and people shouldn't adopt a faulty system This coming from someone who loves aquinas dearly and hate a lot of the neo classical theism and social trinitarian theology that has progressed
@Amoki86, I've been very interested in tracking the philosophical influences of Van Til. ...for example, I've been tracing the "conditioning" jargon (and the "conditioning of facts") all the way back to prominent Commonsense Realists in Scotland. I'm convinced this tracing project reveals and disambiguates VT's thought in ways I never would have imagined. Especially his talk of "representation" as well as his conception of classical theism as a Reformed metaphysic. When you talk about his Hegelian influence, then, my ears really perk up. I know it wasn't the main point of your post but can you please expound here? Is there something specific from Hegel you have in mind? Or are you alluding to the general influence Hegel had over the British Idealists (which may have been wrapped in to VT's overall articulation of Reformed metaphysics)? Thanks in advance.
I’d love for you to have a longer video on Frame and Oliphint’s misinterpretation of Van Til.
Check out the March 2020 episode of Christ the Center when they interview Dr. Dolezal about his new book. They get into the "mutualism" of both Frame and Oliphant specifically.
...also see Dr. Tipton's Van Til seminar, especially the series on VT's Trinitarianism. He covers the mutualist and "backdoor mutualist" theologies, especially Frame and Oliphint's. One might even say the entire seminar is a sort of attempt to wrest the VTllian narrative away from the erstwhile gatekeepers and establish new guidelines.
Say what we might about Dr. Tipton's motives here, we might have to admit that sometimes we need gates and gatekeepers. Plus no theologian is perfect and for myself, I've listened through his VT seminars multiple times and think they're the best thing in VT studies in over a decade. Much needed and appreciated...
...only, for us who appreciate and enjoy analytic theology, Dr. Tipton can be incredibly frustrating. 😂 ...there is a "there there" worth the perseverance...
I don't follow the part where you have to take Thomas as "all or nothing" (1:50). He CAN be taken piecemeal precisely because he was a big fan of demonstration. Insofar as any Reformed Thomist can identify where his reasoning is flawed and stick to sola scriptura: citing authority of the Pope, citing the apocrypha, etc: we can legitimately appreciate the well-defended side of Thomas' philosophical theology while discarding the not-so-well defended aspect of his Roman Catholicism.
After all, even Van Til appropriated the parts of Hegel's philosophy he thought was corect and discarded the parts that wete wrong. If selective (and right) synthesis is good enough for Van Til, why then do Reformed Thomist can't so selective syntheisis based on correct reasoning either?
Great comment. Came to say the same thing in essence. It's strange to say you need to accept either all of Aquinas or none. Roman Catholics tend to appeal to different sources of authority when defending different doctrines because they're forced to. You won't get the bodily assumption of Mary from the Bible alone.
Dead on. It’s causing people to adopt heresy on the Trinity unfortunately.
I don't think they mean that you can't take from thomas at all
But mainly that he has a systematic philosophy that is contrary to reformed thought
And van til has a philosophical system of thought that is more in line with reformed thought
I guess you can picture a ven diagram and the things in the middle are fine (because van til and aquinas agree on a great deal of things) but where they disagree its over their foundational differences and people shouldn't adopt a faulty system
This coming from someone who loves aquinas dearly and hate a lot of the neo classical theism and social trinitarian theology that has progressed
@Amoki86,
I've been very interested in tracking the philosophical influences of Van Til.
...for example, I've been tracing the "conditioning" jargon (and the "conditioning of facts") all the way back to prominent Commonsense Realists in Scotland.
I'm convinced this tracing project reveals and disambiguates VT's thought in ways I never would have imagined. Especially his talk of "representation" as well as his conception of classical theism as a Reformed metaphysic.
When you talk about his Hegelian influence, then, my ears really perk up. I know it wasn't the main point of your post but can you please expound here? Is there something specific from Hegel you have in mind? Or are you alluding to the general influence Hegel had over the British Idealists (which may have been wrapped in to VT's overall articulation of Reformed metaphysics)?
Thanks in advance.
@@Scott_Terry Look up " The influence of Idealism on the Apologetics of Cornelius Van Til." by Timothy McConnel, published in JETS Sept 2005.