Her Story Took Down Mike Bickle. Now She Reveals Shocking Details.
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- Her story of alleged clergy sexual abuse by Mike Bickle rocked the Christian community and led the International House of Prayer Kansas City (IHOPKC), which Bickle founded, to separate from him.
Now the primary "Jane Doe" reveals her identity for the first time - and tells new, eye-opening details of her story.
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I was a victim of clergy sexual abuse and I wasn't ready to come forward when the truth hit the news. Most people will never understand how courageous these women are for putting their names and faces out for the world to potentially attack in defense of their abusers.
God, please bless and protect them. They need You now more than ever before.
I don't believe she was as connected with God as professed.
And I don't believe she was that nieve.
May the Lord continue to heal you and be gracious to you, friend.
Same here @sola, dad was a pastor who traded me to whomever, other pastors, pedos and eventually Jeff E., they made lots of money on me and when I came forward the church (main line Denomination) came after me. They made so much money off me. When Jeff first got caught, I couldn't come forth, I was even taken to his island multiple times. I feared for my life if I spoke. I was threatened with death by a very known Senator, who was a "frequent visitor" to Jeff's house.
@@KwameYankson Sir, she was groomed by a Christian preacher when she was a minor. Please take those sentiments elsewhere.
Yes I still see how she still is enamored with him by the way her face lights up as she speaks about him. 😔 sad..
I’m a survivor of child sex trafficking & sexual abuse by family & I didn’t & don’t talk about my abuser like that, even tho I forgave them. ✝️🙏😢
Mike's "prophecy" about her being an Esther turned out to be true, but he didn't realize that he is the Haman in this scenario.
I was thinking this same thing.
Amen!
Let’s take a break from the word “prophesy” for the time being… especially in regard to Bickle, Morningstar and Daystar.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
@@deborahkolp64the testimony of Jesus IS The Spirit of prophecy. Let's NOT stop talking about it. Though I hear you about the 2 names you mentioned.
So glad she didn't lose her faith in Christ. He kept her.
I was thinking the same thing. So many turn against God in the midst of any betrayal from a christian.
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@@wmr4463 Christians all defend bickle
@benjaminjohnson6118 You clearly didn't watch the video. If you had, you would have seen two Christians denouncing Bickel.
@davidjohnzenocollins and other Christians are calling them false for it.
😢 Thank you Julie Roys!! God bless you exposing this evil!!
God heal this young woman 🙏
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Happy to see the courageous victims step forward and speak up!! Thank you, Julie!! Provide her with security PLEASE!!!
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Thank you Julie Roys! for exposing sexual Predators!!!
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Thank you Deborah so so much for your courage and your strength, you have given a voice and strength to so so many to come out and speak not just about Mike but other leaders as well across the globe, you also helped me to process and put words and meaning to my own journey. My husband and I believed you and been praying for you from the beginning 🙏🙏🙏💪💕
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Amen. This is truly the season. In 1990's when I came out about my father's abuse (mainline denomination), they came after me to silence me. Few believed me as my dad was very charming. I was constantly traded to "Christian" predators, including a Catholic priest. Eventually I was given to Jeff Ep stein. I believe their are many who continue to be silent. My life was threatened multiple times by family and those who abused me.
@newsongsung1147 I am so so sorry for everything you had to walk through 💔🙏
@ thank you, you are precious and a shining example of a person who walks the walk.
@newsongsung1147 most Christians still support bickle. Christians prefer sexual predators for leaders
When I first heard about this it went through my mind that she was an adult at 19. I was married at that age. But after hearing the whole story about the grooming that took place, it was evil personified.
The whole story needed to come out. God bless you Julie Roys.
The fact that he most likely drugged her for their first encounter is definitely evil personified!
You know it's wrong if they say or do anything sexually. I would leave that church immediately. When I was 19 I would know it's wrong and leave
Even without the grooming and drugging, he still cheated, which disqualifies him from being a shepherd or pastor.
He started with Tammy when she was a young girl.
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So proud of Deborah and ALL the victims for banding together the way they have to expose this!
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Thankyou! the Lion is roaring! His justice for ALL who have been abused! I see the courage!
Hallelujah, 🙏 ❤
Yes 🙏🙏🙏
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Thank you for coming forward, Deborah❤🇬🇧
Oh Beautiful, Brave Friend. We believe you and we stand with you.
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I am so proud of you Deborah! May God continue to shine light on the darkness! Prayers to you and all the victims during this time. We support you!
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“He kept me…That’s the testimony.”
That is my testimony also. Blessed be His Name.
I found it so moving to see Deborah’s beautiful face and hear her voice. I feel privileged to be able to hear her story in her own words. Thank you and God bless you 🙏🏼
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Wow, what a powerful story she has to tell! Thank you for having the platform for her to speak on! ♥️ God is cleaning house!🤬
That is the most damning point is that Mike preyed upon their “pure devotion to Jesus”
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demonic
@graceb710 most Christians still support bickle. Christians prefer sexual predators for leaders
Appearing as angels of light outwardly
Inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Many don't understand satan transforms himself as an angel of light as do his angels and appear righteous outwardly.
Deborah isn't Esther & its the same things that Lou Engle, Katie Souza and many others have been promoting, another "movement".
It's very deceiving
Julie Roys was born for such a time as this! Fantastic ministry.
Amen. As a survivor myself, I am so grateful to her, she is a hero to me bc most ppl just don't care, especially not enough to fight for the victims! ❤
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@@benjaminjohnson6118. The majority here do not - thankfully!!!
Thank you Julie for all your dedicated hard work to bring these stories to us. I feel like there is a new one daily coming out. The Lord is flipping tables. He has had enough! Looking forward to part 2 of this story. Praying the Lord continues to reveal all this perversion and these animals are held accountable.
The Lord could have stopped this horrible suffering years ago, but he just watched Bickle hurt people. It was probably the Lord's plan or something....
Let’s hear what Lance Wallnau, Eric Metaxa and the other leaders have to say especially after the report that came out. Thank you to all women who came forward!! This darkness must be eradicated.
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The Church must rise. We all are the church. Call your pastors to account and accept nothing on face value. Be wise!
Thank you for reporting the truth!❤
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Thank you Julie for being. Committed to integrity and reformation in the church!
My Dad was also a Nazarene pastor. I can totally understand the naivety of Debra. I struggled with it as a teen and young adult, making lots of mistakes and missteps. I’ll be 70 this year and as much as I know that God has forgiven me, I have to constantly remind myself of that fact. There are still memories that are being revealed to me of things I have repressed. God continues to heal those memories and along with another family member, He’s ridding us of the effects of the abuse we suffered during our formative years. I praise God for his faithfulness, His loving kindness, and His saving grace! ❤
What exactly is Nazarene pastor?
@@desertrose6516 A Nazarene pastor is simply one who leads a church in the Nazarene denomination .
@ thank you
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He is the evil man behind the curtain. YOU ARE BRAVE! I too am a survivor. THANK YOU!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you for being a voice to the victim
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Because she came forward, Buckle's other victims have now come forward.
He's been doing this for decades and decades using the same old false prophecies and slimey moves to groom and abuse.
Her testimony proves that, not only do sexual predators groom their victims, they groom the parents.
Wow! Thank you Julie for exposing this evil in such a compassionate way!!! Praise God for Debra Perkins!!!
@@karischneider7664 Christians all defend bickle and valloton
Julie reminds me of that wonderful author Catherine Marshall , who wrote the novel "Christy" . Exposing these religious pedophiles in our society is a difficult job, but very rewarding! Keep up the good work Julie!!!
Thank you for being brave and sharing your story. I am so sorry this happened to you. Praying for God’s healing & restoration over you. ❤❤❤
Deborah, we love you and thank you for your bravery. This has had to have been such a painful awakening. Thank you for sharing your story so vulnerably.
Thank you Deborah for your bravery to share your story even to help one person! I am so sorry for what you went through. As a survivor of sexual abuse I am so sorry. Thank you for your courage to continue to live Jesus even in such pain!❤
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We are so proud of you Deborah. Thank you for exposing this fraud and predator Micke Bickle. This story will help many women that haven’t been able to speak about their SA.
Way to go Deborah! This happens to so many women and men. I pray you speaking out will educate the innocent and vindicate the hurting. Praying the best for you and your family!
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Honor you beautiful Deborah and Julie. Praying this empowers many, many to get free, healed and delivered from what they’ve been through! Praying for protection and blessing upon you and your families. ♥️
What are riveting interview I could not take my eyes or ears off of it. You felt everything this young woman said
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Thank you,Julie for such thorough investigation, and thank you Deborah for coming forward- such courage! God bless and keep them!❤
If a criminal act has been committed no NDA can stop ainvestigation
NDA’s don’t protect anyone from criminal acts.
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Thank you Julie and Thank you Survivor. This is so important & healing for many of us.
Praying for these precious sisters 🙏🏻✝️ how HEINOUS he is! I'm so glad she has received courage from the Lord to speak the truth and hold Bickle responsible for what he's done. May God bring EVERY abused victim forward to hold these leaders to account, and may the law be rightly used on those who have broken the law.
So sorry, dear sister Deborah for what y!ou endured! We are all so proud of you!
Words can not express the gratitude in my heart for your courage and bravery. Thank you thank you thank you. We are with you ❤️🩹
😭 Thank you so much for sharing your story.
Power in your testimony!
Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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Deborah I’m sorry for your experience, but so thankful to hear you say how gracious God always was to hold you tight and gently open your eyes. Your husband sounds like a gem, I’m so happy for you to have his support. You have the support and prayers of millions!
@@WinkyWonder Christians all defend bickle and valloton
Narcissists don't pick "needy" ppl. They pick ppl they see have something they need or that have something they want to best (jealous) or someone that they can get info about easily. Attraction of any kind can be something that trigger the need to control.
It's a myth that only ppl with weakness are targeted. Anyone can become a target.
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I am going to say thats false. Nacissists pick needy people all the time. I known many and the needy ones are those who most easily fall for their tricks, gaslighting and blame tactics...keeping them in the cycle way too long that it kills them. Trust me, those with self esteem are usually lower on the Narcissist's abuse list. Those with self esteem can break free of their deception quicker. Bickle was a rare narcissist where he preyed on those who weren't broken and needy, and thats what throws people off about his debauchery
@O.G.LIL-MAN Christians prefer sexual predators for leaders
@O.G.LIL-MAN Narcs pick anyone, any type, It all depends on the narc and what arouses their interest. It might be a perceived weakness for ease of access or a strength they see as a challenge or something they desire so they crush It in the other, someone seen as a competitor to remove or that makes them feel "small" so they need to show that they can outmanover. So, anyone.
To say that it is mostly needy ppl is dangerous as a myth! Strong, not needy ppl might be easily attracted because they might have the illusion they can control the narc or help him. Even those who see trough it from the beginning but lack knowledge will take hits.in the form of non-emotional hits like finance or contract and diverse traps. And an entry to a person might be through obligations/musts that are not "needy" or low selfesteem A worksituation that is made impossible but you can't leave and everyone else are fooled. Many narcs are relentless, controled and plan their way. They keep going endlessly. All ppl have some kind of entrypoint.
Knowledge is their true red light.
Anyone with knowledge weak or strong, "needy" or the most strong person will spot a narc if knowledgable... and still a narc might close a trap with the help of enablers. There's a president holding a country hostade because his enablers elected him. And professionals warned abt him and many has called him out.
But a naive, devoted young woman is a much easier target....
Thank you so much for sharing. It takes a lot of courage. I pray God surrounds you with His precious love as you boldly speak the truth about Mike Bickle and the abuse you suffered by him. ❤
I applaud you for your courage Deborah!!! Thank you so much for everything you’ve done for the church by bringing this to light. You’re amazing!!!!!
@@freeinChrist91 Christians all defend bickle and valloton
Julie we need you on the Family life church, Ohio with Drenda Keesee and Gary lead pastor. This is a very tragic story.
I agree. But Laura Lynn is also doing a great job!
Yes!!!
She's but Julie is a journalist. I know there is an article coming soon but this is getting messier. @@karencrawley7377
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I’m so glad that she’s able to get this off of her chest and find freedom. The thing that stuck out to me was how she and others worshiped Mike, I can see how that led her story to what it became. Very, very sad that he preyed on women the way that he did, I’m so grateful he’s been exposed for what he is!
You are speaking for “ just a time as this.” Jesus kept you safe.
Father God, protect and uplift all the victims, the witnesses, the young and the Vulnerable within your body.
Dethrone all who’ve set themselves up on High Places and use your good name for self serving purposes.
Exposes all with unclean hands and hardened hearts.
Bless those who love you with discernment and wisdom
That's how cults and abusers operate. They isolate you. Cut you off from family and friends
Thank you both for such intense honesty.
I am so glad that I was protected from this. Being a young girl at MCF and watching my friends join IHOP in the very early days... My heart aches for all of these victims. 😢
I remember listening to Mike's teachings on the life of David. I had just gone to Israel to volunteer at a guest house, and I was 21 and so lonely and overwhelmed and I remember wishing I could be at Ihop and not in Israel alone and trying to serve God. Though my path has been extremely rough, I am grateful I never got to even go to ihop. Very sad what happened. God bless this beautiful lady.
Great job Julie, thank you for covering this and thank you for giving Debbie a safe space to share her story.
I don’t know if we will ever understand how absolutely brave and amazing these women are. We’re all proud of you.
You can tell this woman love Jesus so much, thank you for you bravery and obedience to God
She may have loved Jesus, but she chose to ignore the Word of God and she didn't listen to the Holy Spirit.
Has she repented of her sinful behavior or is she laying all the blame on him? It takes two to tango and nobody is doing her a favor by pretending she was too young to know right from wrong.
@@danstewart3319Just stop. Her parents are the ones who introduced her to that environment. Chose to ignore? Dude, she didn’t know in the first place! She was taken advantage of. Bickle is the one at fault here and thank God she knows better now. It is biblical for people to be deceived and still be genuine victims. There is no perfect victim. Even GOD doesn’t go out of his way to blame Tamar for being assaulted by her half-brother even though she came into the room of her own accord. In fact, the Bible NEVER blames such victims the way you and some others in these comments have.
You should hope that when someone wrongs you, there isn’t some callous commenter implying you deserved it for your ignorance. That’s not the correct response, that’s Satan’s response. That was Job’s friends’ response and the disciples’ response to the blind man. You’ve helped NOTHING by spending time using mental gymnastics to blame a victim who now knows the truth and is growing and learning in her faith. Whether she repented for her ignorance is between her and God; it wasn’t a public sin that she has to announce just to defend herself against you. Your arrogance is clouding your compassion. You should have stayed silent.
@Window4503
You say I imply that she DESERVED what happened to her. That is all in your mind. I never said that or implied it. I said she is RESPONSIBLE, and refusing to accept responsibility for our sins means we won't repent and allow Jesus to forgive us and heal us.
Here's where your theology is all wrong: You believe Ignorance justifies wrongdoing. No, it doesn't and there is a Biblical reason why. EVERY human being is given the opportunity by the Holy Spirit and/or Jesus Himself to find the Truth and turn away from their sin (repent). She had this opportunity when she read the Word of God which told her it is wrong to get intimate with a married man; that it is wrong to abuse grace by practicing sin -- in this case, fornicating -- again and again, and refusing to give it up or asking for help, if you can't; it is wrong to feel shame and not break up with the source of that shame. God doesn't say to hide our sins. He doesn't say, never mind, carry on cuz it ain't your fault. This is not an uncommon occurrence among Christians, but it can hardly be called "ignorance." If you believe a woman is incapable of overcoming sin when she has been seduced by a man, just know it can happen to a man as well. The Bible warns about that too. Nowhere does the Bible excuse sexual seduction of an adult as "victimization." Tamar wasn't seduced. She was raped and everyone found out (sigh). According to her account, this woman appears to have been date raped initially, but THEN she willfully slept with the guy and continued on for (how many?) years with the sexual affair. You skip over the many instances of willful sinning by her own admission bc she cries about it and so you believe she was being victimized the whole time beyond the reach of God's Holy Spirit. That is very bad theology. When we face our sin and take responsibility for it, we've taken the first step towards freedom and healing. God does forgive us, but we have to stop blaming others for what WE have done wrong. How about you stop shooting the messenger.
For me as a victim of child and adult sexual abuse, the most important issue here is the evil that so easily resides in the Church.
🎯🎯🎯💯💯💯😢💔🙏
Evil is alive and well in the Church
It is indeed a travesty & does not at all reflect God’s heart. So grateful for Christians like Julie Roys who understand what the church was meant to be & are willing to fight for God’s intention versus man’s perversion & expose to the light what was poison in the dark.
Absolutely! It’s time for it to be stopped!🩵🙏🏻💙
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Thank you for the powerful testimony exposing the sociopath named Mike Bickle. May God continue to strengthen and bless you and heal you as you speak the truth and expose the horrible evil done to you and others. Julie, as always, stellar podcast.
I'm crying 😭 when i hearing her story . She is so brave to come out in the open. I pray for her spirit and soul healing. I'm so sickened by it all. And this man still in ministry? God where is your justice,? ♎
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@tlsings55 bickle is literally still preaching in Kansas city and retained most of his followers.
@tlsings55 Christians PREFER sexual predators for leaders
@@benjaminjohnson6118 -I think using the word "all" is a sweeping generalization here.
@@benjaminjohnson6118 -Painting all Christians with that broad brush isn't fair or factual.
Deborah, thank you for being courageous and speaking out! Be strong and courageous!
Thank-you for coming forward. This helps all of us who have gone through this to understand what happened to us❤.
Thank you for your bravery ❤
My personal opinion about Mike receiving the Isaiah scripture was from a familiar spirit. We are to test the spirits and lots of times we just go with what we think is God talking or directing us and we don't wait and exercise patience. This causes a lot of false prophecy, false teaching and false direction. Rev 1:9. "...and in the kingdom and patience."
I'm glad you mentioned a "familiar spirit". That was going to be my answer also. Very easy to see how he could gain their trust.
Idolization = deception. every time.
Yep and justifying extra marital affairs by “I was just so dazzled”
@@heyyou9839You missed the part where she was drugged and manipulated. Blame the wolf, not the sheep. No one is justifying anything. Read about how trauma and narcissistic manipulation work before saying such callous things.
Not her, the whole church idolizing men. We had this American come over to Australia for the World Prayer Assembly in Perth, and I tell you he monetized communion with a book and did whatever he wanted.
@Window4503 You're white washing. Of course she was caught up in this and was a victim, but what about the men who allow this to go on. Idolatry! EVERY CULT IS THE SAME!
Wow very courageous 😢. Thankyou Julie. Praying Psalm 91 over you.
This mess STOPS only when the sheep decides to listen to the GOOD SHEPHERD'S-- and ONLY him. A sheep who knows her/his master's voice will never follow another. So people read your Bible, pray every day, and meet with other godly sisters and brothers. Don't let people take advantage of you and others.
Yes! Read your bibles every day!!
Amen!!!
So True! The Holy Spirit will let you know that something isn’t right it’s a feeling that you have! We also have to be as the Bereans were in the Bible whomever your Pastor is and whatever his message is search the scriptures for confirmation of what they’re teaching! (That’s what the Bereans did) That’s one of the things the Holy Spirit came to do was to Lead and Guide us into ALL Truth!! The Holy Spirit will Never mislead you!
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Thank you SO MUCH, Deborah and Julie. I'm so grateful for the courage and righteouness exuding from you both.
Deborah Perkins you are such a beautiful soul!!! I’m so grateful that you have come out with your story, I believe that other victims will find courage to speak out because of this!!!🙏🏻thank you Julie for this amazing interview!🩵
Thank you for sharing your story Deborah. I am so sorry all this happened to you. Thank you for your courage in speaking out❤
Thank you for sharing this. This woman is so courageous. I know personally how frightening clergy abuse can be and the price women pay for speaking up. God bless her and you too for supporting her.
We are soo grateful for both your courageous voices!!!
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Great job
God bless you to expose all the corruption and lies ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Will Bickle ever be charged? How could he live a double life for so long? How could he sleep at night? What about Misty E? Will she ever speak out? She was living a double life also! They both had me fooled! I'm flabbergasted!
❤Thankyou, righteous women like you give me great hope for the church. Thankyou.❤️🇦🇺🦋
We’re honored to meet you, Deborah. May God bless you and help you stand strong.
I thought her name was Julie ?
Many of my brothers and sisters in Christ saw through Mike Bickle before the SA’s he committed against these brave women, but one Brother stands out.. Brother Sean Christie. God gave Brother Sean wisdom. Not prophecy (because prophecy has been fulfilled in Christ) but pure Godly Wisdom. Thanks Brother Sean.
I think it’s very difficult for people to understand the power these kinds of men have. It’s a web of deceit and desire that can be intoxicating.
Changes you forever.
But God can heal what the predators broke.
It's interesting that her parents didn't pick up on it! My husband and I felt the holy spirit telling us separately that a man the same age as our son and his friend was grooming my son's daughters! He was a long time family friend and so it was really hard. We finally approached our son and his wife about our concerns and they shared how they were sensing something wasn't right. My dil agreed right away but it was hard on my son. He felt guilty that he wasn't wanting to believe this of his friend. They are really careful now around this man and my husband and I always see him approaching the young women or children in any group. Our daughter is married to his brother so it is not something we can get away from! There is so much exposure and healing needed! God Bless!
Great grandpartens. ❤
You daughter and her husband can separate themselves from the brother. It isn’t easy but sounds like it might definitely be necessary. My husband had to separate himself/us from his family for other reasons, but we did it and now decades later it has become obvious we did the right thing. May the Lord grant you grace, mercy, and wisdom in this area.
People are much more aware of and educated about grooming than they were back then.
Such bravery! ❤
Thank you Julie. So sad that this is going on in the Body of Christ. Thanks for sharing Debbie
Thankyou. So brave
Thank u for being so brave
Wow! I have no words to describe how l am feeling right now. Thank you for sharing your story. May the Lord continue to expose all the wolves destroying young lives. Great job Julie. Watching from UK.
Thank so much for speaking! 💕🙏
Brave lady! Mike started with prophesy and it makes me very leary of trusting any who claim to have the gift of prophesy.
The dreams and or any prophesies wouldn’t stand in court.
The need is to learn how to test prophecy. Because prophecy is a gift from God. It also has been perverted by the evil one. The father of lies.
The powers of darkness are extremely important for the church to recognize.
We wrestle not with flesh or blood. But against powers and principalities of spiritual darkness.
Solution: Wearing the armor of God!
Thank you. I will be praying for Deborah and her family. I was concerned the Mike Bickle and IHOP story had been buried forever. So very thankful the survivors are being given opportunity for justice. ❤️🙏🏼❤️
Just Wow!! How cunning the adversary is but how abundantly faithful is our God to expose so that He can heal many who have been abused. You are Warriors!!
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Thank you Julie xx
Sin is so subtle and quiet. 😵💫
The enemy is a deceiver. Satan comes masquerading as an angel of light. Wolves in sheep's clothing. He told us to be on our guard. But we trust our feelings and natural affections rather than the godly counsel of scripture.
God bless you, Deborah for sharing. May the Lord strengthen and keep you
After weeks of listening to accounts about Bickle, J Lamb, R Zacharis, and the rest; it's really hard for me to trust ANYONE in the pulpit. I listen to them and wonder if they're just actors and wolves looking out for themselves.😢
Toxic masculinity in the church
Mike Bickle and his handlers are quick. He's already put out a half hearted statement on social media showing his "suppossed repentance" while denying alot of the victims claims. AND,AND he's fully blocked all comments. That's not repentance.
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Sounds like Mike Bickel was a true narcissist.
Yes- also a Dark Empath
@@deborahkolp64 and also a Dementor.
Bad theology opens the door for this kind of abuse.
You can have perfect doctrine and be abused.
You can teach perfect doctrine and be a predator.
Nothing is that simple otherwise even the elect would not be in danger of being decieved in the last day's.
@Tulin true. Look no further than Steve Lawson
@@TulindaCalitzAlso true. So far, my abusive Christian experiences have come through organizations whose doctrines I align with. But it’s more a case of people in power thinking that they can treat people poorly and that God will look the other way because they have the right beliefs. It’s like functional deism despite correct intellectual understanding. Which is how the person who sat in front of me in chapel is the same person who has terrorized my department and ended up recently dissolving our positions in favor of non-Christian agencies. Some days I have no idea how I’m still a believer, just that God won’t let me go!
Matthew 7:15-20 has to mean SOMETHING! And the Lord Jesus spoke this Himself. Bad theology automatically leads to disobedience. Every. Time. It IS this simple. Theology isn’t a closed science.
Mike got the word from a demon.
YEP!!
A familiar spirit...
Exactly! The devil knows the scriptures very well... better than many Believers likely.
Scripture is sufficient and testing God to prove himself by “give him a Scripture Isaiah 49” is totally non Biblical. Isaiah is about Jesus and not about us. Demons leverage this fake theology, for sure
He got the word from Mike
Thank you Deborah. Your courage will bless millions of others. Thank you Julie ... you are a warrior woman of God. Bless you both, and your families.