Just an observation. Your application was for the CJ20S/C (76-79 ? T150 3-speed), you were struggling with the installation of a CJ20S (pre 76 3-speed) shifter. That was a brutal effort but kudos to, you made it work, you did highlight some few things that need to be rethought. It would never be our intention to make a a product that would be such a pain in the ass (having said that, there is a video of a guy putting our D300 shifter in backwards). You did bring up some very good points and I take that as usable feedback. I did notice that the CJ5 requires cutting of the floor (We've got to fix that!). This (CJ20S CJ20S/C) has been unchanged for 15 years, is now our next redesign, we would like to send you one of our pre-production units for your unvarnished feedback. Cheers, Jon Barricklow JB Custom Fabrication LLC
Wow, I love the reply. A company that has integrity like a real American. I want to do a twin stick on my '79 CJ5, but I have to dedicate some funding for the project. As an AZRanger we get no pay, compensation, or remimbersement for anything. Every one of us puts out our baby cheeks out there because we have a heart for our state, our communites, and for good people like you. Keep up the good work, I appreciate people and companies that stand behind their product and service. Be safe.
I went throught the same headaches with my ‘76 t150 d20. I’m not sure these are really designed for jeeps. Must have been designed without the floor in place. Be careful buying this unless your ready to re-design , and spend many hours fabricating. Not close to drop in ready. Oh, then JB will tell you he’s right on the verge of a new design and you’ll get the first one. Good luck
Thank you very much. I have the same issue as you with my dana 20 and the length. I was unable to shift my front axle due to the length of the shifter bar. I was out of ideas, thank you.
Did you contact the manufacturer about all the problems you had? I’ve heard that they have excellent customer service. I am wanting to do the same kit on my CJ5.
Do you have any issues with the rear end popping out of low range? I have the same kit in my 76 CJ5 304 T150 D20 setup. HI range works fine, but if I use Low my rear lever creeps back and eventually pops out after a few minutes.
I have not had the problem with this kit. I did have the problem with the old shifter, and part of the problem was that the rubber boot was not flexible. It kept pushing the transfer case into neutral.
OMG so confusing. I am so embarrassed I did not know how to use the twin shifters.....So both forward LOW, both back HIGH AND lock the hubs....so confused why we need both of them?????
That's just his accent. The way he talks, he's clearly from the Northeast in the band of the Northern American vowel shift that goes from Northern New England west through central Michigan then Wisconsin and stopping in Minnesota at the Twin Cities. What's more, anyone from there who has the shift can't hear it. It's a linguistic phenomenon that's been studied quite a bit. They just can't hear it. So, if you correct their pronunciation, it'll seem like they're being thick because they'll be all, "What's the difference? You just said what I said." I have personal experience with this having studied languages and linguistics at Michigan, which is ironic since there's nowhere that the Northern American vowel shift is stronger than in Ann Arbor, so studying languages and linguistics there with some professors from there and so speaking with the shift, it at times felt like it was the blind leading the blind and at other times just a really bizarre case study where you're tasked to objectively look into a fish bowl that you're stuck inside of. At any rate, a good example of the Northern American vowel shift that lines up with what you've pointed out here for him is the pronunciation of the last name "Stein," including names ending in "-stein." People from outside the region of the shift and some people within but who don't speak using the shift, like those who never picked it up but for some reason picked up speaking in the General American (GA) accent instead, tend to say it so that it sounds like a mug of beer or rhymes with the number 9, but then they hear people from inside the region of the shift who speak using the shift pronounce it like it rhymes with the word "teen." At that point it gets very confusing, especially for those outside the region of the shift, because, one, you want to pronounce people's names how they pronounce them since it's impolite not to and, two, the many people from inside the region of the shift who don't speak using the shift result in what to people outside the region see as very inconsistent pronunciation, like with some New Yorkers saying "Stein" rhymes with "nine" and others saying "Stein" rhymes with "teen," which becomes quite dicey and awkward for people outside the region because of there being such a high propensity for being offensive or ignorant or coming off that way as it's common knowledge that that's a Jewish name and that many Jews live in that region, so you feel like you should know how to pronounce their name, but from what anyone can tell, even people from there are inconsistent in how they pronounce that name, including Jewish people with that name from there. That's relevant because "Heim" has the same "ei" diphthong in the middle of it, is also generally perceived to be pronounced one way outside the region while within the region it's inconsistently pronounced, including by Jewish people with that traditionally Jewish name. Since the joint discussed in this video is named that because it's named after its inventor, Lewis Heim, who may or may not have been Jewish but nevertheless had this traditionally Jewish surname, maybe it ultimately boils down to how Lewis Heim pronounced his name, but even then, it might not be so simple since people within the same family, close blood relatives, often use different pronunciations fo these names, some saying "Stein" rhymes with "nine" and others saying "Stein" rhymes with "teen" and some saying "Heim" rhymes with "lime" and some saying "Heim" rhymes with "team." Stephen Colbert is an example of this phenomenon-- half of his siblings pronounce it the English way, "KOL-burt," and the other half pronouncing it the French way, "kol-BARE," their father pronouncing it "KOL-burt" but his brother, their uncle, pronouncing it "kol-BARE," even Stephen himself having used both, having switched back and forth, saying that when he was growing up, he said it like those siblings who said it like his dad said it, but after his dad died when he was 5, he gradually shifted to saying it like those sibling who said it like his uncle said it as he stepped in to be a father figure in the absence of his brother, but then Stephen in his twenties switched back to saying it how his father said it, "KOL-burt," because of feedback he'd gotten from various people in showbiz that the pronunciation "kol-BARE" sounded too ethnic and sounded pretentious, but then he took on a role where he played a character who had the same name as him and since that character was quite pretentious, he had that character called "kol-BARE" on the show, but since Stephen Colbert was actually his real name too, people didn't get that that was a gag, a bit, that he actually went by "KOL-burt" and so poeple en masse misinterpreted that his name really was pronounced "kol-BARE," so since his fame and celebrity had grown up around people knowing him himself as kol-BARE and not him as a character as kol-BARE, he switched away from KOL-burt again and rejointed team "kol-BARE" at his Thanksgiving dinners with his brothers and sisters and other Colbert relatives who themselves are quite split on which way to say it. So it maybe isn't so simple as how Lewis Heim said it, however he said it, if that's even known. My point is, if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the guy to even get what you're saying to him, much less actually change his pronunciation, especially since it's not clear what the pronunciation should be. It's not unlike the longstanding argument on how to pronounce "gif." Most people say it with a hard G. The inventor said he pronounced it with a soft G, so all the soft-G sayers claimed victory over all the hard-G sayers, but the hard-G sayers, who are far more numerous, not only claimed squatters rights on the hard G by pointing out that English is a descriptive instead of proscriptive language, which means democracy wins because descriptive languages' pronunciations are described by how the most people pronounce it, not how some few or one would prescribe it be pronounced and then also pointed out that the inventor based the name on an anagram of what it was, the full name of a gif being a "graphics interface file," so since "graphics" is said with a hard G, that also logically supports saying it with a hard G and undercuts the inventor arbitrarily turning the G soft as rather harebrained. That would seem to have settled it, except the soft G folks haven't relented and all the controversy around it has led to many quitting the hard G pronunciation and switching to the soft G. That shift has been so massive that now it's about even-Steven (sorry for the pun) with about half using a soft G and half using a hard G, so the most solid argument, the one every English professor and linguist from Oxford to Harvard would say settles the argument, that it should be pronounced with a hard G because of English being descriptive and so pronunciation being decided democratically by how the most people say it, has suddenly fallen out from underneath and has left it all very much unsettled in an even split, so they've had to withdraw their support from those who say it with a hard G without giving it to those who say it with a soft G but instead saying to both sides that we'll all just have to wait and see how this all plays out before we can definitively land on an English pronunciation, to which all the computer geeks and techies replied, "not so fast," saying that the speed of technology has a good chance of obsoleting the gif before that waiting is up and so we may, in fact, never see.
Normally I would give a "crappy" video like this a thumbs down, but it appears you really suffered doing this project. It really hurt to watch this video. To reshape the levers, have them in place like you did and then get a piece of welding wire or even coat hanger wire and bend it into the desired shape (or multiple angles). That removes much guesswork and often results in bending stuff one time. To keep the heat from traveling into the part(s) you do not want heated soak (dripping wet) a rag and wrap it around the part you do not want heated; in this case it is the brass bushing. Just wrap the part the bushing is inserted into. Leaving the rag on will assist cooling the part without messing with the integrity of the part (hardness). If the rag burns it will be less costly than having to procure another bushing (if available) and remove and replace the damaged bushing. Oh, you run the risk of damaging the new bushing if you do not do right. One last trick: You can use felt battery terminal protectors on both side of the bushing to keep moisture and debris from getting into the bushing and contaminating the grease on the bushing. If the shaft/bushing is too small a diameter make them from felt, thick microfiber, inner tube rubber, or other suitable material. If things are too tight I would shave a little material from the fulcrum (bushing and lever together). You might even tap and drill the part that holds the bushing for a Zerk grease fitting for servicing. The trick should keep your parts lubed for a long time. I get frustrated real easy real quick sometimes when attempting something that appears "stupid simple" so I get your frustration even if it is only a little because we expect a kit to be install ready without modifying stuff. I'm glad you accomplished the mission. I need to do the same thing on my CJ5.
Just an observation. Your application was for the CJ20S/C (76-79 ? T150 3-speed), you were struggling with the installation of a CJ20S (pre 76 3-speed) shifter.
That was a brutal effort but kudos to, you made it work, you did highlight some few things that need to be rethought.
It would never be our intention to make a a product that would be such a pain in the ass (having said that, there is a video of a guy putting our D300 shifter in backwards).
You did bring up some very good points and I take that as usable feedback. I did notice that the CJ5 requires cutting of the floor (We've got to fix that!).
This (CJ20S CJ20S/C) has been unchanged for 15 years, is now our next redesign, we would like to send you one of our pre-production units for your unvarnished feedback.
Cheers,
Jon Barricklow
JB Custom Fabrication LLC
I would be happy to help, Jon.
Wow, I love the reply. A company that has integrity like a real American. I want to do a twin stick on my '79 CJ5, but I have to dedicate some funding for the project. As an AZRanger we get no pay, compensation, or remimbersement for anything. Every one of us puts out our baby cheeks out there because we have a heart for our state, our communites, and for good people like you. Keep up the good work, I appreciate people and companies that stand behind their product and service.
Be safe.
@@whattherust We are 90% done with the redesign you will have one headin' your way.
@@JBCustomFab Great! I am very impressed with your response, and I'll check it out as soon as it arrives.
Nice response from JB….
Wow excellent video I was about to do an install and man didn't even consider length assuming from manufacturer to be precise. Nice video
Thank you. It seems I am not the only one that had the problem.
I went throught the same headaches with my ‘76 t150 d20. I’m not sure these are really designed for jeeps. Must have been designed without the floor in place. Be careful buying this unless your ready to re-design , and spend many hours fabricating. Not close to drop in ready. Oh, then JB will tell you he’s right on the verge of a new design and you’ll get the first one. Good luck
HELP~ I have a 79. I know the left is the stick, the middle is L N H, but WHAT is the right knob for?
Thank you very much. I have the same issue as you with my dana 20 and the length. I was unable to shift my front axle due to the length of the shifter bar. I was out of ideas, thank you.
You are welcome. Glad the video helped.
Did you contact the manufacturer about all the problems you had? I’ve heard that they have excellent customer service. I am wanting to do the same kit on my CJ5.
Do you have any issues with the rear end popping out of low range? I have the same kit in my 76 CJ5 304 T150 D20 setup. HI range works fine, but if I use Low my rear lever creeps back and eventually pops out after a few minutes.
I have not had the problem with this kit. I did have the problem with the old shifter, and part of the problem was that the rubber boot was not flexible. It kept pushing the transfer case into neutral.
Do you have them on the wrong side
OMG so confusing. I am so embarrassed I did not know how to use the twin shifters.....So both forward LOW, both back HIGH AND lock the hubs....so confused why we need both of them?????
It depends on the transfer case you have. On an old Jeep like this, the left shifter is in/out of 4WD. It doesn't have an effect on the range.
A heim joint is pronounced "hi-mm", not "he-mm". But, thank you for the great video! 👍🏼
That's just his accent. The way he talks, he's clearly from the Northeast in the band of the Northern American vowel shift that goes from Northern New England west through central Michigan then Wisconsin and stopping in Minnesota at the Twin Cities. What's more, anyone from there who has the shift can't hear it. It's a linguistic phenomenon that's been studied quite a bit. They just can't hear it. So, if you correct their pronunciation, it'll seem like they're being thick because they'll be all, "What's the difference? You just said what I said."
I have personal experience with this having studied languages and linguistics at Michigan, which is ironic since there's nowhere that the Northern American vowel shift is stronger than in Ann Arbor, so studying languages and linguistics there with some professors from there and so speaking with the shift, it at times felt like it was the blind leading the blind and at other times just a really bizarre case study where you're tasked to objectively look into a fish bowl that you're stuck inside of.
At any rate, a good example of the Northern American vowel shift that lines up with what you've pointed out here for him is the pronunciation of the last name "Stein," including names ending in "-stein." People from outside the region of the shift and some people within but who don't speak using the shift, like those who never picked it up but for some reason picked up speaking in the General American (GA) accent instead, tend to say it so that it sounds like a mug of beer or rhymes with the number 9, but then they hear people from inside the region of the shift who speak using the shift pronounce it like it rhymes with the word "teen." At that point it gets very confusing, especially for those outside the region of the shift, because, one, you want to pronounce people's names how they pronounce them since it's impolite not to and, two, the many people from inside the region of the shift who don't speak using the shift result in what to people outside the region see as very inconsistent pronunciation, like with some New Yorkers saying "Stein" rhymes with "nine" and others saying "Stein" rhymes with "teen," which becomes quite dicey and awkward for people outside the region because of there being such a high propensity for being offensive or ignorant or coming off that way as it's common knowledge that that's a Jewish name and that many Jews live in that region, so you feel like you should know how to pronounce their name, but from what anyone can tell, even people from there are inconsistent in how they pronounce that name, including Jewish people with that name from there. That's relevant because "Heim" has the same "ei" diphthong in the middle of it, is also generally perceived to be pronounced one way outside the region while within the region it's inconsistently pronounced, including by Jewish people with that traditionally Jewish name. Since the joint discussed in this video is named that because it's named after its inventor, Lewis Heim, who may or may not have been Jewish but nevertheless had this traditionally Jewish surname, maybe it ultimately boils down to how Lewis Heim pronounced his name, but even then, it might not be so simple since people within the same family, close blood relatives, often use different pronunciations fo these names, some saying "Stein" rhymes with "nine" and others saying "Stein" rhymes with "teen" and some saying "Heim" rhymes with "lime" and some saying "Heim" rhymes with "team."
Stephen Colbert is an example of this phenomenon-- half of his siblings pronounce it the English way, "KOL-burt," and the other half pronouncing it the French way, "kol-BARE," their father pronouncing it "KOL-burt" but his brother, their uncle, pronouncing it "kol-BARE," even Stephen himself having used both, having switched back and forth, saying that when he was growing up, he said it like those siblings who said it like his dad said it, but after his dad died when he was 5, he gradually shifted to saying it like those sibling who said it like his uncle said it as he stepped in to be a father figure in the absence of his brother, but then Stephen in his twenties switched back to saying it how his father said it, "KOL-burt," because of feedback he'd gotten from various people in showbiz that the pronunciation "kol-BARE" sounded too ethnic and sounded pretentious, but then he took on a role where he played a character who had the same name as him and since that character was quite pretentious, he had that character called "kol-BARE" on the show, but since Stephen Colbert was actually his real name too, people didn't get that that was a gag, a bit, that he actually went by "KOL-burt" and so poeple en masse misinterpreted that his name really was pronounced "kol-BARE," so since his fame and celebrity had grown up around people knowing him himself as kol-BARE and not him as a character as kol-BARE, he switched away from KOL-burt again and rejointed team "kol-BARE" at his Thanksgiving dinners with his brothers and sisters and other Colbert relatives who themselves are quite split on which way to say it.
So it maybe isn't so simple as how Lewis Heim said it, however he said it, if that's even known.
My point is, if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the guy to even get what you're saying to him, much less actually change his pronunciation, especially since it's not clear what the pronunciation should be. It's not unlike the longstanding argument on how to pronounce "gif." Most people say it with a hard G. The inventor said he pronounced it with a soft G, so all the soft-G sayers claimed victory over all the hard-G sayers, but the hard-G sayers, who are far more numerous, not only claimed squatters rights on the hard G by pointing out that English is a descriptive instead of proscriptive language, which means democracy wins because descriptive languages' pronunciations are described by how the most people pronounce it, not how some few or one would prescribe it be pronounced and then also pointed out that the inventor based the name on an anagram of what it was, the full name of a gif being a "graphics interface file," so since "graphics" is said with a hard G, that also logically supports saying it with a hard G and undercuts the inventor arbitrarily turning the G soft as rather harebrained. That would seem to have settled it, except the soft G folks haven't relented and all the controversy around it has led to many quitting the hard G pronunciation and switching to the soft G. That shift has been so massive that now it's about even-Steven (sorry for the pun) with about half using a soft G and half using a hard G, so the most solid argument, the one every English professor and linguist from Oxford to Harvard would say settles the argument, that it should be pronounced with a hard G because of English being descriptive and so pronunciation being decided democratically by how the most people say it, has suddenly fallen out from underneath and has left it all very much unsettled in an even split, so they've had to withdraw their support from those who say it with a hard G without giving it to those who say it with a soft G but instead saying to both sides that we'll all just have to wait and see how this all plays out before we can definitively land on an English pronunciation, to which all the computer geeks and techies replied, "not so fast," saying that the speed of technology has a good chance of obsoleting the gif before that waiting is up and so we may, in fact, never see.
From WI but in the cable mfg & linkage industry, it’s Heim, - rhymes with lime. 👍🏼
Funny what you learn in the comments 😎
that turned into a big ordeal
Normally I would give a "crappy" video like this a thumbs down, but it appears you really suffered doing this project. It really hurt to watch this video.
To reshape the levers, have them in place like you did and then get a piece of welding wire or even coat hanger wire and bend it into the desired shape (or multiple angles). That removes much guesswork and often results in bending stuff one time.
To keep the heat from traveling into the part(s) you do not want heated soak (dripping wet) a rag and wrap it around the part you do not want heated; in this case it is the brass bushing. Just wrap the part the bushing is inserted into. Leaving the rag on will assist cooling the part without messing with the integrity of the part (hardness).
If the rag burns it will be less costly than having to procure another bushing (if available) and remove and replace the damaged bushing. Oh, you run the risk of damaging the new bushing if you do not do right.
One last trick: You can use felt battery terminal protectors on both side of the bushing to keep moisture and debris from getting into the bushing and contaminating the grease on the bushing.
If the shaft/bushing is too small a diameter make them from felt, thick microfiber, inner tube rubber, or other suitable material. If things are too tight I would shave a little material from the fulcrum (bushing and lever together). You might even tap and drill the part that holds the bushing for a Zerk grease fitting for servicing. The trick should keep your parts lubed for a long time.
I get frustrated real easy real quick sometimes when attempting something that appears "stupid simple" so I get your frustration even if it is only a little because we expect a kit to be install ready without modifying stuff.
I'm glad you accomplished the mission. I need to do the same thing on my CJ5.
Since the bushing was put in, you can just take it out and then just reinstall it. ?
More aftermarket mass produced non-oem junk
An awful lot of the kit seemed wrong. Are u sure that u were sent the correct kit to begin with ?
Yes. I triple-checked and the application is correct. Had the slots in the arms been a little bit longer everything would have been fine.