I'm glad the comments are in agreement that what happened to that guy was sexual assault. Misconceptions like "men can't get raped" ultimately hurt everyone in the end, not just men.
it seems like olivia has this thing, where if a grown mans the victim she dosent give two shits, but if its any sort of women she will risk life, lim, and her career for the person.
They are literally the Special Victims Unit... That guy was SA'ed and it feels like they just kind of shrugged it off, in fact, if it wasn't for Rollins' insistance that something was wrong, they never would've put in the effort to get to the bottom of what caused his irregular outburst.
Well, he is a man. Unfortunately when men are sexually assaulted it's treated less severely than when women are. If he had been a woman, blindfolded, sexual assaulted, this would have played out completely differently
Rollins wasn't doing it out of the goodness of her heart. She was playing favourites, and because they were family friends she was giving them special treatment that "normal" people would not be the beneficiaries of
@@Ooilei people definitely see a gay man sexually assaulting a straight man as worse than a straight man assaulting a woman. Don’t know what rock you’ve been sleeping under
Now y'all should understand how it feels when women speak up and people don't wanna listen bc they think women are at fault and immediately dismiss their claims
@@honestdave I agree, like He told the man to stop touching Him and hitting on Him and He refused! So he fought back! If He were a woman we would be applauding Him right now...which I mean He's a fictional character...but still!
@@lilyflower5576this episode shows the attitudes of people who don't believe certain people can be victims. The ice T character was trying to downplay it and make out it was locker room stuff and he secretly liked it and Benson couldn't understand how he didn't know the bar was a gay bar. It's about pre judging attitudes. People still thing a big guy like that could never be a victim
I don't think the person he assaulted is the same person that sexually assaulted him. I'm pretty sure he assaulted and random gay guy at the gay bar after the assault on him already happened. And you being assaulted doesn't give you the right to assault other ppl.
Sorry, but Olivia was ALWAYS a hypocrite when it came to male victims. She championed tooth and nail for the female victims, but always is willing to get it done quick and easy when it’s the male victims. SMH 🤦🏻♂️
@@John-ex6hw And it makes it bad for men who are victims of Sexual Assault still get a bad rep. You remember back in Season 9, when a male perp wanted revenge on Olivia, because he was raped in prison? And you remember another Season 15 episode with the Gay Music Coach, Jackie Walker, who was falsely accused of molesting 2 teenage girls and their younger brothers, Olivia was going hard on him?
@@omarcogle1965 remember the male stripper raped by the 3 professional women? (One became ADA Casey later on) If I remember correctly, Benson was on his side but Stabler was dismissing him. That episode pisses me off every time
@@that.ll_do_pig Yeah I remember that episode, I think that was around Season 3 right? Do you remember the one from Season 6 where Elliot went hard after a Rugby coach who was falsely accused of raping 3 little girl (one of them was played by Jennette McCurdy, Sam from iCarly)? It's was bad to the point where he went off on the Coach's wife because he thought she was covering for him.
I'm a gay man and I totally agree with this scene. No means no regardless of gender. There are gay men out there who knowingly chase straight men in hopes of "turning" them. Really give the rest of the us a bad name.
I bang straight guys, but I never force them in any way. Anything they do is because they wanted to. I just make it exciting and take away the stress involved. 🤷♂️
If this was a female victim who had consented and was blindfolded, only to find out she was being used by another man she never met before, Olivia will be blowing her top and setting NYC on fire. Because it's a male victim though, she thinks she's the 'voice of reason'.
They hear a guy literally admit to sexually assaulting someone, but they don’t arrest him?? I thought that was their whole thing? You know, the whole”special victims unit”.
@@MrSophire Lgbtq don’t get a pass for sexual assault by society. Gay men actually get punished more for sexual assault defenses than straight men. There’s articles and info about this
@@ajaxjohnson7999the gay guy at the bar didn't assault him he was assaulted. The cheerleader assaulted who was gay assaulted him. Watch the whole show
@@KangwithoutaKangdomnot on law & order SVU. if the victim was a female college student benson would have been fighting tooth and nail to arrest the cheerleader and would’ve found charges to make it stick. i know you’re talking about real-life statistics but i think OP is just talking about how the episode would’ve been written differently
@@KangwithoutaKangdom they dedinately would. thats the whole definition of consent. If you consent to one people andthey let others join without your knowledge that the text book definition of grape. Gtrape doesn't have to be violent
I think Olivia is so wrong here. She was so focused on staying politically correct that she would rather target the victim, rather than let them arrest the one who assaulted him, just because he's gay. Even as a gay man myself, i find the double standard so frustrating!
See if the assaulter was a female they would’ve seen it different! No means no! That goes for women and men! I’ve been harassed by a gay dude before at a steakhouse thankfully the manager threw him out.
I remember this case. If I remember correctly, the guy dropped the charges in the end, but his life was still ruined. I also think something happened to him that had caused that reaction in the first place. The coach and several team members were arrested and one, who had helped take these guys down, told Amaro that he was quitting the team. The boy revealed that he's actually gay and he can't bring himself to spend the next however many years in the closet.
@@ValdezJu Is it just me or whenever its a case of a male victim the detectives barely try or just give up? thats what i keep seeing on all these clips of SVU, the Gay Teacher, that Guy who got killed in prison cause that girl said he raped her and this.
Unfortunately the driping charges thing happen a lot cops don’t want to do it sense it doubles what ever time your doing right from the start so they will presser you are you sure it was a hate crime could there be any other motive for why they did this
The guy was sexually assaulted and they are not going after the guy. Even if the gay man was put up to it, do you think that would fly if it were man doing this to a woman. Arrest the gay cheerleader, and the gay man at the bar was told no and still tried to kiss him. What ever happened to no means no. Does that fly out the window because they are gay?
It’s ridiculous that they wouldn’t try to push this case any farther than just saying charge the guy for assault and everyone else goes free. Especially considering how often they would go the extra mile just to save a woman.
@@justinsigler1565 No it doesn’t. Society sees gay men sexually assaulting men as worse than men doing it to women. Straight men definitely do. Also there’s plenty of cases where gays get punished more of illegal sexual things than heterosexuals. Your ignorance and homophobia is showing
0:31 "They had hockey on TV" "Was anyone watching?" WILD that people not watching hockey is used as evidence that they're gay. Also, men can get assaulted too so self-defense is valid. Even if he was gay, he has a right to say no.
@@Renegade2786 I highly doubt that's what the show writers were going for but honestly you might be right because I have no idea what they were smoking when they wrote this f****** episode.
@@B3R_B0T true. But will be honest, was actually surprised to see cast varieties of this caliber. I watched Law and Order. Just not as much. Life, time and work have a way of getting in the way
Imagine if a cheerleader was trying out and a handsome beefy football player was showing her around and she thought he was putting the moves on her and blindfolded her only to have his buddy tag team and come in. . . .Olivia would have flipped her lid and been all over it. But in this case. . . Olivia literally walks away. . . . . .
Yall don't realize how this makes men look bad lol😂 yeah no means no, but men don't care, regardless of the victims gender. They are abusers as a collective
I just don't understand this episode: The guy's initial assault was justified because the gay man kept coming at him after a solid "no." He didn't get hurt because he was gay, he was hurt because of his actions and not understanding consent. The guy was sexually assaulted, why didn't they arrest the gay guy and the two cheerleaders for that? They've arrested people for doing similar things in past episodes, why do these people get a pass?
I love Olivia Benson's role as a sergeant because she acts responsible just like Cragen in the earlier seasons. And now fin is smooth and acts Like Munch which is awesome in my opinion.
How is the guy being sexually assaulted not a crime or issue? Because he’s a guy? Insane take, but likely also how many people and places still see things.
It's not a crime to protect yourself from someone who won't take "no" for an answer, period. I don't care if it WAS a gay bar. If the guy isn't into that, he's not into that. It being a gay bar or not is irrelevant. No means no.
I felt so bad for Rollins during this episode. I know what it's like to try to go that extra mile to help a friend, so I can relate to how she felt throughout all of this.
it's inappropriate to do that in a professional capacity, especially in an extra trusted role such as a police officer. Rollins and many of the other team constantly behaved unethically and abused their positions of power to help those close to them. Nepotism at its finest.
Lets not kid ourselves. Only Canadian actually watch hockey. And then only to get inside and warm themselves up from living in the frozen wasteland they call home.
@lalalili2982 A lot of Canadians watch hockey. As do a lot of Americans. And yes, most of Canada is cold during winter months, but some US cities get colder. Wouldn't call it a wasteland tho. It's no better or worse than anywhere else in the world.
I remember this case. If I remember correctly, the guy dropped the charges in the end, but his life was still ruined. I also think something happened to him that had caused that reaction in the first place. The coach and several team members were arrested and one, who had helped take these guys down, told Amaro that he was quitting the team. The boy revealed that he's actually gay and he can't bring himself to spend the next however many years in the closet.
This was perhaps the 💩est and sloppiest writing ever in SVU. Cedric was sexually assaulted, his reaction in the bar, while over the top, is reasonable under the circumstances. The male cheerleader and those 2 female cheerleaders PLUS whiche football players should have been arrested. Should Cedric have been charged something for beating the gay dude up, sure; if the guy presses charges. Explain what happened to Cedric to the gay dude and I’m 1000% sure he would understand; then up to him to either press charges or drop it. The story could have been so much better; and more realistic than this hot mess.
This guy's story was such a tragedy, imagine being confused about your identity and wanting to do whatever it takes to make a career and end up getting manipulated into these types of circumstances, he was alone for a bit too long.
I have one question what if it was a female would they say she consented. This is the reason that men dont come forward. SA is SA ok gay straight furry it is just wrong
Its means that his Athletic eligibility is the same as a sophomore since he sat out 1 year (allowing him to extend is athletic eligibility) but academically hes a junior.
Seriously, she and Fin are acting like there can only be one victim at a time. Cedric was sexually assaulted and lashed out at an innocent man and deserves to be punished for hurting him. However, the ones who set him up should also be charged.
@@omarcogle1965even munch wouldn’t have been that callus after hearing that sa prank happened and the officer try to intentionally trigger an sa victim
Look the way i see in this episode was that they were blinde sided because everyone didn't want to tell the truth because of what they may lose. It was the flaw of justice system.
SA , that's what the cheerleader did to the guy. He should be charged, as well as the whole team. And the officers of SVU? Great job treating a SA victim like a perp . Olivia was always a misandrist, but the rest of them? Simply negligent and amateurish. How is there even a discussion about this?? I highly doubt that this was the way Olivia was supposed to be as Sergeant....
I know SVU is a drama first and foremost, but how’d no one writing this script recognize how dissonant this was for everyone but one party (Rollins) to vouch for an S.A. victim. Like, am I watching the right show?
I do feel bad for Olivia because I think she tries harder for woman then men is because her mom was raped and now I am seeing so was she. So I understand that she has more of hate towards males in this situation but I do feel that she is a cop and she can't let her personal feelings get in the way.
not really for what they did to Cedric Jones and others Cedric Jones was the one who suffered since he was driving to commit suicide and his broken neck meant he could no longer play football and hence couldn't get his family out of poverty
I remember this case. If I remember correctly, the guy dropped the charges in the end, but his life was still ruined. I also think something happened to him that had caused that reaction in the first place. The coach and several team members were arrested and one, who had helped take these guys down, told Amaro that he was quitting the team. The boy revealed that he's actually gay and he can't bring himself to spend the next however many years in the closet.
i do find that odd that its not a crime in new york, assault by deception, its the same as a person pretending to be someone else to sleep with someone
I don't care if the person is male, female, straight, gay, bi, trans, gender fluid, nonbinary, or whatever. A sexual assault is a sexual assault. End of story.
Seriously cannot understand why colleges still do hazing. It goes downhill fast all the time. Still…the fact so many people protected themselves before the truth came out. Not saying it’s a reason to go off but the fact something happened to this poor kid that caused such a reaction shows that certain “jokes” should never be done
If anyone's curious, I read on the wiki that one of the cheerleaders came forward and revealed that this has been done at least four other times, the coach was in on it and took a plea deal, while several members of the team are arrested for aiding in the assaults.
I'm going to start refering to myself in the third person saying, "_____ doesn't hate." "Sooner or later you play all the parts." Such an accurate statement for L&O.
Glenn Morshower. He is one of those actors who works steadily in a few episodes of shows. Name a network crime shoe from the last 30 years, and he has a credit in it.
Amaro "What was the prank Ty tell us now or this gets ugly fast" Ty "okay you don't need to get all threatening" Amaro knows how to go all Elliot Stabler Stabler and Amaro would make a good bad cop team in interrogation.
I'm glad the comments are in agreement that what happened to that guy was sexual assault. Misconceptions like "men can't get raped" ultimately hurt everyone in the end, not just men.
Aside from the redshirt sophomore guy, they were all pretty despicable. A lot of them and the coach ended up going to PRISON in the end.
it seems like olivia has this thing, where if a grown mans the victim she dosent give two shits, but if its any sort of women she will risk life, lim, and her career for the person.
@@soulsreaper7145 thats pretty much what SVU became after season 6 or 7.
Literally NOBODY has ever said that. Ur just pulling a fake Victimhood narrative.
Whoop there it is.@@TikiTorcher
They are literally the Special Victims Unit... That guy was SA'ed and it feels like they just kind of shrugged it off, in fact, if it wasn't for Rollins' insistance that something was wrong, they never would've put in the effort to get to the bottom of what caused his irregular outburst.
Well, he is a man. Unfortunately when men are sexually assaulted it's treated less severely than when women are. If he had been a woman, blindfolded, sexual assaulted, this would have played out completely differently
Rollins wasn't doing it out of the goodness of her heart. She was playing favourites, and because they were family friends she was giving them special treatment that "normal" people would not be the beneficiaries of
@@Ooilei people definitely see a gay man sexually assaulting a straight man as worse than a straight man assaulting a woman. Don’t know what rock you’ve been sleeping under
Now y'all should understand how it feels when women speak up and people don't wanna listen bc they think women are at fault and immediately dismiss their claims
@@melissadiamond1268 great way to minimize the issue here
He was sexually assaulted! This is self defense not a crime! Men can be sexually assaulted too!
The writers should've scraped this whole episode.
@@honestdave I agree, like He told the man to stop touching Him and hitting on Him and He refused! So he fought back! If He were a woman we would be applauding Him right now...which I mean He's a fictional character...but still!
@@lilyflower5576a woman got charged for fighting back to much after almost being r@ped
@@lilyflower5576this episode shows the attitudes of people who don't believe certain people can be victims. The ice T character was trying to downplay it and make out it was locker room stuff and he secretly liked it and Benson couldn't understand how he didn't know the bar was a gay bar. It's about pre judging attitudes. People still thing a big guy like that could never be a victim
I don't think the person he assaulted is the same person that sexually assaulted him. I'm pretty sure he assaulted and random gay guy at the gay bar after the assault on him already happened. And you being assaulted doesn't give you the right to assault other ppl.
Sorry, but Olivia was ALWAYS a hypocrite when it came to male victims. She championed tooth and nail for the female victims, but always is willing to get it done quick and easy when it’s the male victims. SMH 🤦🏻♂️
You remember the Omar Pena situation back in Season 13? Olivia was so deep dive to believe he was guilty of a crime which he didn't commit.
@@omarcogle1965 that’s what I’m saying. Benson was a champion of the victim, sure. As long as the victim was female…
@@John-ex6hw And it makes it bad for men who are victims of Sexual Assault still get a bad rep. You remember back in Season 9, when a male perp wanted revenge on Olivia, because he was raped in prison? And you remember another Season 15 episode with the Gay Music Coach, Jackie Walker, who was falsely accused of molesting 2 teenage girls and their younger brothers, Olivia was going hard on him?
@@omarcogle1965 remember the male stripper raped by the 3 professional women? (One became ADA Casey later on)
If I remember correctly, Benson was on his side but Stabler was dismissing him. That episode pisses me off every time
@@that.ll_do_pig Yeah I remember that episode, I think that was around Season 3 right? Do you remember the one from Season 6 where Elliot went hard after a Rugby coach who was falsely accused of raping 3 little girl (one of them was played by Jennette McCurdy, Sam from iCarly)? It's was bad to the point where he went off on the Coach's wife because he thought she was covering for him.
Poor guy got sexually assaulted by the male cheerleader and is still being treated as the bad guy
Yeah I feel bad for him
You don't beat someone up after a completely different person raped you. He's still the bad guy.
Because he assaulted someone . Sometimes, getting what you want or didn't expect but feels good comes with consequences. He's not the good guy.
@@KomoliRihyoh
Trauma makes people react in weird ways.
As a victim of SA in a similar circumstance, I felt bad for the kid who was charged, but also triggered too.
dude straight up admits to sa'ing a dude and the svu cops don't arrest him
i want to know how he was sexually assaulted. because it’s not like they were fucking or kissing . or even a grope. like i just would like to know.
As a gay man myself, I'm disgusted when they want to act like complete tools. That guy needs to get some serious respect for himself.
I'm a gay man and I totally agree with this scene. No means no regardless of gender. There are gay men out there who knowingly chase straight men in hopes of "turning" them. Really give the rest of the us a bad name.
I bang straight guys, but I never force them in any way. Anything they do is because they wanted to. I just make it exciting and take away the stress involved. 🤷♂️
I've heard about those guys
Sickos
@@-Gilver not all men act like this 😂
He didn't say all of them he said a specific group @@97indianuk
Well i got news flash for ya..... That means you're gay
Sexual assault. What they did to him was literally sexual assault. He is a victim in crisis.
That doesn't make it ok to take your frustrations out on the next person because of what happened to you.
Taking your frustrations out on someone else won’t make it right. It’ll just take you straight to where the people that assaulted you should be going.
@@tjhouston1280 That's not the point.
@@ringsofblayze4026 Except that next person was told by Cedric he wasn't interest and wouldn't back off. He's not innocent in this.
@thefanwithoutaface8105 did I say anything about innocence or guilt stop with the whataboutisms.
Wait, Benson understands that gay people CAN enjoy hockey, right?
if they aren't watching than it isn't a sports bar
Do anyone other than Canadians really enjoy hockey?
@@lalalili2982I like hockey and I'm not Canadian
She needs to understand that straight football players can enjoy other things too ..😉
@@toomanyaccountsyou’re a Canadian in denial then
If this was a female victim who had consented and was blindfolded, only to find out she was being used by another man she never met before, Olivia will be blowing her top and setting NYC on fire. Because it's a male victim though, she thinks she's the 'voice of reason'.
Aside from the redshirt sophomore guy, they were all pretty despicable. A lot of them and the coach ended up going to PRISON in the end.
Because even when the victim is male, most of the perps also are.
ikr
There's like 4 episodes with the exact situation
That makes Olivia such a reprehensible character
They hear a guy literally admit to sexually assaulting someone, but they don’t arrest him?? I thought that was their whole thing? You know, the whole”special victims unit”.
they dropped the ball this episode. HAd I seen this live, this would've been the one to make me stop watching the show
Probably, because the person who sexually assaulted him was at the college. Not the bar
@@TylerBobby-r5s even then he still admitted to sexually assaulting him, regardless of where it took place.
@@K4NY3 Yeah, at the school.
@@TylerBobby-r5s still admitting to sexual assault, the police could still arrest him
Regardless of if it was a gay bar; no still means no.
Exactly, why do LGBT community get a pass? No means no.
@@MrSophireEntitlement
@@MrSophire Lgbtq don’t get a pass for sexual assault by society. Gay men actually get punished more for sexual assault defenses than straight men. There’s articles and info about this
@@ajaxjohnson7999the gay guy at the bar didn't assault him he was assaulted. The cheerleader assaulted who was gay assaulted him. Watch the whole show
@MrSophire they don't. Tf are you even talking about?
If the genders were swapped, they'd instantly arrest the person in the cheerleaders position
Lol, no, they wouldn't. Most male SA peeps get away with it
@@KangwithoutaKangdomno, they would definitely get arrest. What you’re talking about is charged. They never get charged and sentenced.
@@KangwithoutaKangdomnot on law & order SVU. if the victim was a female college student benson would have been fighting tooth and nail to arrest the cheerleader and would’ve found charges to make it stick. i know you’re talking about real-life statistics but i think OP is just talking about how the episode would’ve been written differently
@@KangwithoutaKangdomwomp womp victim mindset 😂
@@KangwithoutaKangdom they dedinately would. thats the whole definition of consent. If you consent to one people andthey let others join without your knowledge that the text book definition of grape. Gtrape doesn't have to be violent
I think Olivia is so wrong here. She was so focused on staying politically correct that she would rather target the victim, rather than let them arrest the one who assaulted him, just because he's gay. Even as a gay man myself, i find the double standard so frustrating!
See if the assaulter was a female they would’ve seen it different!
No means no! That goes for women and men! I’ve been harassed by a gay dude before at a steakhouse thankfully the manager threw him out.
I remember this case. If I remember correctly, the guy dropped the charges in the end, but his life was still ruined. I also think something happened to him that had caused that reaction in the first place. The coach and several team members were arrested and one, who had helped take these guys down, told Amaro that he was quitting the team. The boy revealed that he's actually gay and he can't bring himself to spend the next however many years in the closet.
Didn't he jump from a rooftop & kill himself? Now we have a murder and Olivia changes her tune..
@@ValdezJu No he survived, but he did himself permanent damage.
@@ValdezJu Is it just me or whenever its a case of a male victim the detectives barely try or just give up? thats what i keep seeing on all these clips of SVU, the Gay Teacher, that Guy who got killed in prison cause that girl said he raped her and this.
Unfortunately the driping charges thing happen a lot cops don’t want to do it sense it doubles what ever time your doing right from the start so they will presser you are you sure it was a hate crime could there be any other motive for why they did this
@@seanbraley2772 In this case, someone else pressed charges against him for something and they were the ones who dropped it, not the cops.
Not Olivia being surprised at amaro and Amanda when she and stabler used to do the exact same thing to cragen
Hypocritical right?
It’s almost like she’s not the same person she was 2 decades ago😮
@@diggs1989 take your sarcasm somewhere else 🙄
She came to experience what's like to be the boss now. You don't understand things until you live them first hand.
@@issyiceberg4865 How is that sarcasm?
The guy was sexually assaulted and they are not going after the guy. Even if the gay man was put up to it, do you think that would fly if it were man doing this to a woman. Arrest the gay cheerleader, and the gay man at the bar was told no and still tried to kiss him. What ever happened to no means no. Does that fly out the window because they are gay?
Yes
It’s ridiculous that they wouldn’t try to push this case any farther than just saying charge the guy for assault and everyone else goes free. Especially considering how often they would go the extra mile just to save a woman.
He part issue it was cheerleaders and football are the one who set him up to it
@@maxlopez7671doesn't mean he had to do it. Last time I checked sexual assault is still sexual assault and no still means no.
@@justinsigler1565 No it doesn’t. Society sees gay men sexually assaulting men as worse than men doing it to women. Straight men definitely do. Also there’s plenty of cases where gays get punished more of illegal sexual things than heterosexuals. Your ignorance and homophobia is showing
0:31 "They had hockey on TV"
"Was anyone watching?"
WILD that people not watching hockey is used as evidence that they're gay.
Also, men can get assaulted too so self-defense is valid. Even if he was gay, he has a right to say no.
WILD. I see what you did there.
So someone tries to sexually assault him and he defends himself. How is he the criminal?
The ⬛ complexion.
@@Renegade2786 I highly doubt that's what the show writers were going for but honestly you might be right because I have no idea what they were smoking when they wrote this f****** episode.
It's 2023 the western world is going downhill
What an ignorant comment.
@@honestdavepeople like you@@honestdave
Did not think i would be seeing Winston Duke aka M'Baku of Black Panther in this episode of SVU
Everyone has been on Law & Order at some point 😂
@@B3R_B0T true. But will be honest, was actually surprised to see cast varieties of this caliber. I watched Law and Order. Just not as much. Life, time and work have a way of getting in the way
That's sexual assault. Unwanted sexual contact.
That team really personifies: “If we can’t have him, no one can.”
It feels more like a cult mentality.
Imagine if a cheerleader was trying out and a handsome beefy football player was showing her around and she thought he was putting the moves on her and blindfolded her only to have his buddy tag team and come in. . . .Olivia would have flipped her lid and been all over it. But in this case. . . Olivia literally walks away. . . . . .
Oh so the guy got sexually assaulted and harassed by a guy that was ok?
This is why pulling stuff like that on people is not funny.
This is not the only reason, but sure.
Yet another episode where a young black man is in trouble and benson only wants him prosecuted
Let me ask: if it was a man harassing a woman we would say: no means no. Violence is not justified but even heterosexual men have a right to say no.
Yall don't realize how this makes men look bad lol😂 yeah no means no, but men don't care, regardless of the victims gender. They are abusers as a collective
I just don't understand this episode: The guy's initial assault was justified because the gay man kept coming at him after a solid "no." He didn't get hurt because he was gay, he was hurt because of his actions and not understanding consent.
The guy was sexually assaulted, why didn't they arrest the gay guy and the two cheerleaders for that? They've arrested people for doing similar things in past episodes, why do these people get a pass?
They arrested coach and others who assaulted him
The level of heartfelt understanding in this feed. I truly am proud to share this earth with you guys. Seriously I wish I had you guys on my side...
This episode sickened me also Olivia i was disappointed in her
Hazing js no joke. Ghats the root of this.
It was a gay bar... But they had hockey on TV. Because gays don't like or play sports?! I'm so sick of this stereotype!
I love Olivia Benson's role as a sergeant because she acts responsible just like Cragen in the earlier seasons. And now fin is smooth and acts Like Munch which is awesome in my opinion.
Like he said, sooner or later you play all the parts, they have to play the parts of those who have left and can never return
How is the guy being sexually assaulted not a crime or issue? Because he’s a guy? Insane take, but likely also how many people and places still see things.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by olivia and finn
This is probably the first episode where Im looking at Benson and Finn sideways. How is this NOT an arrestable offense????
It's not a crime to protect yourself from someone who won't take "no" for an answer, period. I don't care if it WAS a gay bar. If the guy isn't into that, he's not into that. It being a gay bar or not is irrelevant. No means no.
Cedric consented to the female cheerleaders, not the male one. Therefore, Ty SA'd Cedric.
I felt so bad for Rollins during this episode. I know what it's like to try to go that extra mile to help a friend, so I can relate to how she felt throughout all of this.
it's inappropriate to do that in a professional capacity, especially in an extra trusted role such as a police officer. Rollins and many of the other team constantly behaved unethically and abused their positions of power to help those close to them. Nepotism at its finest.
Regardless of why she did it, a crime was still committed.
Are they implying that gay guys don't watch Hockey??? 0:26
Lets not kid ourselves. Only Canadian actually watch hockey. And then only to get inside and warm themselves up from living in the frozen wasteland they call home.
@@lalalili2982 There are Canadian gay dudes...
@lalalili2982 A lot of Canadians watch hockey. As do a lot of Americans. And yes, most of Canada is cold during winter months, but some US cities get colder. Wouldn't call it a wasteland tho. It's no better or worse than anywhere else in the world.
@@lalalili2982uhm… so what about the Canadian gay dudes. It’s a lot of them mfs💀
kinda pisses me off that benson wants to dismiss this so quick but let that happen to a female and she'd be all over it
Yeah, whatever the football team can do I'm pretty sure people in prison can do way worse.
I remember this case. If I remember correctly, the guy dropped the charges in the end, but his life was still ruined. I also think something happened to him that had caused that reaction in the first place. The coach and several team members were arrested and one, who had helped take these guys down, told Amaro that he was quitting the team. The boy revealed that he's actually gay and he can't bring himself to spend the next however many years in the closet.
To a gay man? I'm sorry but unless you're talking murder I don't think Ty will care.
@@RomaroBrandon Are you saying he'd enjoy being raped because he's gay?
@@RomaroBrandon haha. Just because the gender fits doesn’t mean you want it.
The high school football team will turn into a distant memory, big tyrone in cellblock C will turn into a reminder that will never escape the mind
This was perhaps the 💩est and sloppiest writing ever in SVU. Cedric was sexually assaulted, his reaction in the bar, while over the top, is reasonable under the circumstances. The male cheerleader and those 2 female cheerleaders PLUS whiche football players should have been arrested. Should Cedric have been charged something for beating the gay dude up, sure; if the guy presses charges. Explain what happened to Cedric to the gay dude and I’m 1000% sure he would understand; then up to him to either press charges or drop it. The story could have been so much better; and more realistic than this hot mess.
This guy's story was such a tragedy, imagine being confused about your identity and wanting to do whatever it takes to make a career and end up getting manipulated into these types of circumstances, he was alone for a bit too long.
i don't understand why he went to this recruitment thing in the first place if he was already committed to another college.
Wow they really messed him up/
I have one question what if it was a female would they say she consented. This is the reason that men dont come forward. SA is SA ok gay straight furry it is just wrong
That’s what I say!
No means no
That goes for women and for men
The redshirt sophomore (whatever that means) is basically the one decent guy on the team
Its means that his Athletic eligibility is the same as a sophomore since he sat out 1 year (allowing him to extend is athletic eligibility) but academically hes a junior.
@@hotohori69 Ah. Well it didn't matter in the end anyways since he quit the team in the end. Poor guy was like the one good person on that team.
Olivia disgusted me in this episode
Seriously, she and Fin are acting like there can only be one victim at a time. Cedric was sexually assaulted and lashed out at an innocent man and deserves to be punished for hurting him. However, the ones who set him up should also be charged.
If it were a woman going through this, I'm sure she'd go scorched earth to bust the people who did it, but since this is a man.... well there you go.
@@bored1caOlivia acts more like Cragen this Season and Fin somewhat acts like Munch.
Totally ooc in this ep
@@omarcogle1965even munch wouldn’t have been that callus after hearing that sa prank happened and the officer try to intentionally trigger an sa victim
Not SVUs finest moment
The gay guy definitely should have been arrested, he admitted to sexually assaulting a gay to tow police officers? And he walks?
Look the way i see in this episode was that they were blinde sided because everyone didn't want to tell the truth because of what they may lose. It was the flaw of justice system.
SA , that's what the cheerleader did to the guy. He should be charged, as well as the whole team. And the officers of SVU? Great job treating a SA victim like a perp . Olivia was always a misandrist, but the rest of them? Simply negligent and amateurish. How is there even a discussion about this?? I highly doubt that this was the way Olivia was supposed to be as Sergeant....
WTF?! The dude was raped and defended himself against a sexual assault. What is the black dude and brunette's deal.
Apparently Liv only cares about SA when it's a woman. I haven't watched the show but this is what I've picked up from clips. How close am I?
If Rollins knows him and his family, she probably shouldn't even be on the case.
She didn't she had gambling debt and her debtor told her that he will forgive her debt if she faund his relative and would help him
I know SVU is a drama first and foremost, but how’d no one writing this script recognize how dissonant this was for everyone but one party (Rollins) to vouch for an S.A. victim. Like, am I watching the right show?
The above video is from s15 e16 of SVU. And, it gives a pretty clear view of how tough the world of college football can be.
I remember this. It was so messed up. Runined his life
I do feel bad for Olivia because I think she tries harder for woman then men is because her mom was raped and now I am seeing so was she. So I understand that she has more of hate towards males in this situation but I do feel that she is a cop and she can't let her personal feelings get in the way.
Agree she does for female wictims she would do anything for male victims she is much colder and doesn't trust them
Even if he was in a Gay bar why does it matter?
Olivia and Fin was wrong. Rollins and Amaro was right.
"Since when did we become the voices of reason?"
"Sooner or later, you play all the parts."
Dang, the writing in this show...
As a gay man I feel like that man should’ve been respectful towards that football player‘s consent always matters no matter what
I hated this episode!!! It wasn’t fair how they handled everything. This made me like Amanda more because she had more empathy than anybody
He was literally assaulted 😢
It was sexual assault.
so what happened at the end? did the girls and football team receive any kind of punishment?
not really for what they did to Cedric Jones and others Cedric Jones was the one who suffered since he was driving to commit suicide and his broken neck meant he could no longer play football and hence couldn't get his family out of poverty
I remember this case. If I remember correctly, the guy dropped the charges in the end, but his life was still ruined. I also think something happened to him that had caused that reaction in the first place. The coach and several team members were arrested and one, who had helped take these guys down, told Amaro that he was quitting the team. The boy revealed that he's actually gay and he can't bring himself to spend the next however many years in the closet.
@@WarGrowlmon18 try reading before you comment
@@toomanyaccounts What???
@@WarGrowlmon18 the first comment in the reply
i do find that odd that its not a crime in new york, assault by deception, its the same as a person pretending to be someone else to sleep with someone
Can I be honest?
I only clicked on this because I saw Jake Choi (one of my celebrity crushes) in the thumbnail. 🤣🤣🤣
“They had hockey on TV.” 😂😂😂 so simple but so complex.
I don't care if the person is male, female, straight, gay, bi, trans, gender fluid, nonbinary, or whatever. A sexual assault is a sexual assault. End of story.
i swear that guy plays scotty valens on cold case
He is him.
Seriously cannot understand why colleges still do hazing. It goes downhill fast all the time. Still…the fact so many people protected themselves before the truth came out. Not saying it’s a reason to go off but the fact something happened to this poor kid that caused such a reaction shows that certain “jokes” should never be done
Aside from the redshirt sophomore guy, they were all pretty despicable. A lot of them and the coach ended up going to PRISON in the end.
Is oficial, Football teams are on the same same as street gangs.
If anyone's curious, I read on the wiki that one of the cheerleaders came forward and revealed that this has been done at least four other times, the coach was in on it and took a plea deal, while several members of the team are arrested for aiding in the assaults.
No means no
SHE DID NOT JUST ASK WAS ANYONE WATCHING LMAO
Olivia: Tell me everything
Cedric: YIBAMBE!
Amaro: WTF
I love SVU🎉
Is that Winston Duke?
Yep
he looks so different without the beard lol
I'm going to start refering to myself in the third person saying, "_____ doesn't hate."
"Sooner or later you play all the parts." Such an accurate statement for L&O.
General Shephard from the new cod became a football coach
He is fond of playing generals. Because he has a bunch of credits.
@lalalili2982 he also played a role in season 20 as a captain of precinct 27.
THIS IS THE CAB DRIVER FAULT TAKEN HIM TO THE WRONG BAR.
The coach seems really familiar to me but I can't put my finger on it. Dose anyone know who he is and anyone else he played in movies or tv?
Transformers franchise
Glenn Morshower. He is one of those actors who works steadily in a few episodes of shows. Name a network crime shoe from the last 30 years, and he has a credit in it.
He was In 24 too
General Shepard in the new COD
"Sooner or later you play all the parts." Fin sounds very Shakespearean.
This show is not the law.
Wow. If this was the first episode I watched I'd boycott. This is disgusting
Lady's, what is this new language ending everything with zaa?😮
“Was anybody watching” is insane
General shepherd what are you doing in law and order
He asked the cab driver to take him to a sports bar. Well maybe they play water sports like R Kelly.
OMG it's Winston Duke!!! Before Black Panther and his early days
Side note the asian guy is hot af >_>
Hockey is pretty gay 😂
Olivia is so unbelievably misandristic
Yeah, she tends to pull her punches when women are guilty.
That's not a thing
@@allbutperfectIt is. I'm a woman, and I know that. Men and women have each a different set of privileges.
@@allbutperfectyes it is. Just because you're so comfortable in your little bubble doesn't mean that the real world isn't a thing.
Shepard as a coach?
Amaro "What was the prank Ty tell us now or this gets ugly fast"
Ty "okay you don't need to get all threatening" Amaro knows how to go all Elliot Stabler Stabler and Amaro would make a good bad cop team in interrogation.
This is actually Season 15, Episode 15. Not Episode 16.
is that winston duke
It's so good to see General Sheppard landed on his feet as a college football coach after his military service was over.