Unbelievable, I did this, last week I dropped from G1 to G4 because I tried to carry. Changed up, just poked, played safe get to scaling and now back up again with a 74% win-rate. This is great advice.
@ no it wasn’t. I tried to force things and carry etc. Just got downwards after G2/G3. In bronze & silver it isn’t the case. On my second account I can hard carry. Way less organized play so you won’t get punished as much for initiative.
As ADC's, our whole thing is auto attacks. Yes we have buttons. Yes we have abilities that scale with AD, but our whole concept is that we do damage with auto attacks. (couple of exceptions like MF where the ult is actually more of a fight winning spell) Abilities with any sort of CC or damage based scaling (ie mages) will always beat an ADC in a 1v1. Usually a solo laner is ahead in xp too. The whole point of this 1-1-2-J setup is that you get protected and farmed because you have a SUPPORT. So that you're terribly weak in the early game and become more of a monster late, where just a couple of right clicks can really hurt. Glass cannon etc. Your role then becomes the damage turret for the team when they need to take an obj whatever. So ADC never has had, or will ever have strong agency, you are entirely team reliant. If your team misses their spells, you cant do your damage. If the enemy hasn't cast their spells yet, you cant do your damage, you have to wait for their abilities to be on cooldown. Your EARLY game is support dependant. If you're shit, lane loses automatically. If youre good and the support is garbage, the best you can do is leave lane with 0 deaths and probably lower cs. I've typed all of this mainly for my own benefit, because I suck at the game and keep forgetting this. DNI is the way to go, and thank you for articulating this concept Saber, its just the best teaching you can get for ADC in a broad platform like youtube. Your personal learnings and challenges with this role makes it far easier to connect with the concepts than pretty much everything out there. Gonna go buy some subs now, legend.
Let's not forget that all that it's true while also being the most mechanically dependent role, so even if your team does their part it's still hard to do your job lmao
"... waste their time while your jungle does an objective or kills a solo laner." low elo players like me: "your junglers do objectives and cross-map plays?!"
As a fellow low-elo player, the answer is yes. They'll "cross-map" even when they're the side with less teammates, so all you have to do is ping forwards on the objective when you bait them in. He's missing the most important step of COMMUNICATION, which you should always do, every game. He's just in D+ lobbies, so the JNG/MID/TOP know to pressure.
Ping them. Like with that sejuani gank in the video ping once karthus and spam ping enemy blue. You can micro manage your jungler with pings if you have some basics in jungle logic. Also works for your team you can call the plays coming mid/late game.
@@cloudwalker9572 guys... I've tried that. The moment I ping or dare to verbally(chat) suggest to go for an objective, I get flamed and/or will have an inting jungler in my game. What tf game are you playing where people aren't absolute maniacs 95% of the time?!
I am climbing from silver way to emerald here. In low elo, they might not gank or crossmap, but they can always afk farm and come out srronger than the enemy jungler wasting time ganking you.
Saddest strategy to win 😂 don't play the game for 20 minutes, get to 3 items ( which in the video it shows still a 1/5 wukong with 1 item kills you), and hope by that time other 4 players on your team are humans and the game is not over 😅 just play other roles or mages bot instead of this masochistic marksman role
@@obvioustrash7833no yo cant, you need special champs. You need to either get a tanky/easy champ or be a god at a high damage champ. You can’t 1v9 with ashe, you can 1v9 with aphelios if you play him perfectly, or you can 1v9 with nilah if you play her decent enough
I love the strategies you come up with throughout the seasons haha. Don't touch turrets was a few seasons ago, don't touch opponents is this season. I'm looking forward to the season we get to play like psychopaths
I mean it's don't touch opponents cuz like he said 1/5 Wukongs still beats you even if you're ahead in both items and levels. Especially if you play an immobile ADC without selfpeel
Love the video, great reset for all of us moving into the new season that seems to incentivize interaction. I think this strategy for Caitlyn is pretty much no exceptions to the strat but I'm wondering your thoughts on other champions who are more mobile or able to follow up from further away than Cait, like Jhin, Kaisa, or Zeri for example.
I wonder how your damage recap is at the end of those games, because I used to play with this pattern to climb and my damages were always super low until I reached 3 items and fought and my damage total would explode. Like games under 3 items I would barely deal 10k damage and 3+ items I would get 30k+. I'm asking because I always had a low damage overall compared to other players in my rank and I think it's linked to this "passiv" style when it is in my opinion the optimal style for adc.
You are a split pusher aren't you? You might even have tryndamere or yorick in your champion pull. 😂 Good for you honestly it's the best way to have agency as a top laner.
DNI is EXACTLY how im winning as smolder currently xd. EVEN ON LANE. adc playstyle is like AP shaco right now. you just annoy them, but you dont really fight unless its TURBOFREE and UN-INTABLE
as a Jinx main I’ve honestly been doing this strat, however the part ive been struggling with mostly is just laning phase and just losing it/dying. any advice for that? (is all i can do is just get better?)
As jinx you have to play around your support you really dont have a choice, try to poke as much as possible with q rockets and w. Its all about spacing early and not taking free damage
He specifically said DNI with the enemy top/jg/mid. You can fight bot, but you DNI the other 3 roles because you should know you are at disadvantage by default
@@misterbxiv But he also said not to burn summoners on enemy bot. So this would mean I should not try to kill enemy bot if trying to do so would lead me to burning sums because killing is not guaranteed
Trading hp is not worth mid/late game you need every single hp at that point. If you get damage for free sure do, otherwise you are forced to back because you are already a dead man walking.
So i've done this so called DNI strat, and gone 3/0+ in lane 11 games straight now, but it doesn't seem like i'm winning any games since i'm on an 11 game loss streak. Sure this DNI is good in theory, but when your top jg mid runs it. doing DNI becomes near impossible win strat no? you need atleast 1 other human being to carry those games
In theory at least one of them should win because you're "distracting" their jungler. So yours can gank your solos. But then again, has there ever been a strategy that consistently work in low elo? It's just clusterfuck chaos until you're around emerald depending on the server. I'm a 5+ years support main and I managed to reach diamond for the first time in my life by learning Vel'koz and playing mid until Plat1/Emerald4 AND THEN going back to support.
Tbf, i wanna try, but i've lost my last 5 games as ace of the team to my solos going 2/10 and losing to random splitpush 1/5 yone winning the game so i'm not sure this changes anything ^^' yone with 300 cs afk sidelaning taking your entire base and being lvl 18 at 25 minutes while your own toplaner is nowhere to be seen has no counterplay, sadly.
It's purely a solo/duo queue strat, your team is supposed to play around you in 5v5. Sure it can be used but in team environment action isn't supposed to happen when there's farm on the map and adc is not expected to participate if that's not the case.
This video helped me alot! I am switchig to another role, until rito does something about this role. Sorry, but being afk farmer for 30 minutes and starting to deal damage when you hitting nexus is just sad. This is nowhere near to fun. I can just go for WOW if I want to do some pve. Absolutely fucking sad.
For all those in low elo like me as ad, the DNI strat does work. But you need to macro properly imo. For instance, whether or not you win, lose or go even. No matter if you get a tower or not, by 15 mins lane is over, you should go mid and just pressure that lane so you can respond to the random teamfights happening on either sides of the map and hope for a positive outcome, you can also DNI and just farm waves for priority and simply wait for a response. I tried to do it solely on my own by splitting as an ad, but too many times have i experienced games if had done what I just preached by just shifting to mid lane and not being so stubborn, my w/l record wouldnt look so ugly. I do agree that it will take more than yourself to be competent but by actually putting the soloist mindset aside and helping out in the fights unsure game states could turn into game winning shifts into a victory.
80% in 25 games says literally nothing. The sample is too small. Achieving this by pure luck is around 1/500 chance, which happens every day all the time. With 50 games, it would already be around 1/100k, which starts looking promissing.
The only time this would work is when you have a team that hasn't fed 20+ kills by 10 minutes where the enemy can just steamroll over them every interaction while you afk farm. Which is rare. especially below gold.
I think can’t apply no strategy when you are in Bronze/Silver elo. I’ m play solo Caitlyn and every time i feel don’t have control of my games. No exscuse
as a survival horror game enjoyer adc is particularly brutal lol
It's the fun part 🤣
Unbelievable, I did this, last week I dropped from G1 to G4 because I tried to carry. Changed up, just poked, played safe get to scaling and now back up again with a 74% win-rate. This is great advice.
I would like to know if it is not just the common win streak/loss streak cycle
@ no it wasn’t. I tried to force things and carry etc. Just got downwards after G2/G3.
In bronze & silver it isn’t the case. On my second account I can hard carry. Way less organized play so you won’t get punished as much for initiative.
As ADC's, our whole thing is auto attacks. Yes we have buttons. Yes we have abilities that scale with AD, but our whole concept is that we do damage with auto attacks. (couple of exceptions like MF where the ult is actually more of a fight winning spell)
Abilities with any sort of CC or damage based scaling (ie mages) will always beat an ADC in a 1v1. Usually a solo laner is ahead in xp too. The whole point of this 1-1-2-J setup is that you get protected and farmed because you have a SUPPORT. So that you're terribly weak in the early game and become more of a monster late, where just a couple of right clicks can really hurt. Glass cannon etc. Your role then becomes the damage turret for the team when they need to take an obj whatever. So ADC never has had, or will ever have strong agency, you are entirely team reliant. If your team misses their spells, you cant do your damage. If the enemy hasn't cast their spells yet, you cant do your damage, you have to wait for their abilities to be on cooldown.
Your EARLY game is support dependant. If you're shit, lane loses automatically. If youre good and the support is garbage, the best you can do is leave lane with 0 deaths and probably lower cs.
I've typed all of this mainly for my own benefit, because I suck at the game and keep forgetting this.
DNI is the way to go, and thank you for articulating this concept Saber, its just the best teaching you can get for ADC in a broad platform like youtube. Your personal learnings and challenges with this role makes it far easier to connect with the concepts than pretty much everything out there. Gonna go buy some subs now, legend.
Haha so wrong about MF mate, bronze mindset to think MF is about her ult. High elo just steps out. It’s about her passive and W to hit like a truck.
@@facts3221yes, but if you're in range to poke with q you're most probably in range to get killed by literally anything outside the other ADC
Let's not forget that all that it's true while also being the most mechanically dependent role, so even if your team does their part it's still hard to do your job lmao
"... waste their time while your jungle does an objective or kills a solo laner."
low elo players like me: "your junglers do objectives and cross-map plays?!"
As a fellow low-elo player, the answer is yes. They'll "cross-map" even when they're the side with less teammates, so all you have to do is ping forwards on the objective when you bait them in. He's missing the most important step of COMMUNICATION, which you should always do, every game. He's just in D+ lobbies, so the JNG/MID/TOP know to pressure.
Ping them. Like with that sejuani gank in the video ping once karthus and spam ping enemy blue. You can micro manage your jungler with pings if you have some basics in jungle logic. Also works for your team you can call the plays coming mid/late game.
@@cloudwalker9572 guys... I've tried that. The moment I ping or dare to verbally(chat) suggest to go for an objective, I get flamed and/or will have an inting jungler in my game. What tf game are you playing where people aren't absolute maniacs 95% of the time?!
Even if he does 1 camp into base he's still doing something good
I am climbing from silver way to emerald here. In low elo, they might not gank or crossmap, but they can always afk farm and come out srronger than the enemy jungler wasting time ganking you.
Bro your enthusiasm as you narrate caused me to hit like and subscribe. Keep it up loved the information and the content. Very informative.
This is so painful to hear. Its so hard being a ADC these days
I've been struggling lately too. This video comes as a saving grace. Thank you so much for putting your time into making it, Saber!
amazing. I feel like i was on to a lot of this but this really filled in the pieces i needed to fully understand.
Saddest strategy to win 😂 don't play the game for 20 minutes, get to 3 items ( which in the video it shows still a 1/5 wukong with 1 item kills you), and hope by that time other 4 players on your team are humans and the game is not over 😅 just play other roles or mages bot instead of this masochistic marksman role
I would like to do so, but ppl in bronze/silver don't know how awfully weak this role is so every time I pick a mage they insta complaint and troll
@@happyspacefun3796if youre in bronze/silver you can carry regardless of what happens
@@obvioustrash7833no yo cant, you need special champs. You need to either get a tanky/easy champ or be a god at a high damage champ. You can’t 1v9 with ashe, you can 1v9 with aphelios if you play him perfectly, or you can 1v9 with nilah if you play her decent enough
great video Saber, so useful, hope can reach diamond watching and learning from u
I love the strategies you come up with throughout the seasons haha.
Don't touch turrets was a few seasons ago, don't touch opponents is this season.
I'm looking forward to the season we get to play like psychopaths
Next season it's gonna be don't touch the keyboard.
I mean it's don't touch opponents cuz like he said 1/5 Wukongs still beats you even if you're ahead in both items and levels. Especially if you play an immobile ADC without selfpeel
Sounds good, but what do you do if your team just arams mid? Do you just farm side lanes and pray you don't get flanked or TP'ed on?
Isn't it int at 15:12 to hit mid tower cause you don't know where Camille is? You can't outplay her with flash right?
crazy that im getting this coaching sesh for free lol thank you saber
Finally, my 10 years of playing Sona can transition into ADC fundamentals
What happens if your teammates flame you for being non interactive?
nothing happens. you mute them and continue trying to win the game
That is why you play with party chat only
You split plush and report them after game
Love the video, great reset for all of us moving into the new season that seems to incentivize interaction. I think this strategy for Caitlyn is pretty much no exceptions to the strat but I'm wondering your thoughts on other champions who are more mobile or able to follow up from further away than Cait, like Jhin, Kaisa, or Zeri for example.
Im gonna go give this a try, ty 😉
I wonder how your damage recap is at the end of those games, because I used to play with this pattern to climb and my damages were always super low until I reached 3 items and fought and my damage total would explode. Like games under 3 items I would barely deal 10k damage and 3+ items I would get 30k+.
I'm asking because I always had a low damage overall compared to other players in my rank and I think it's linked to this "passiv" style when it is in my opinion the optimal style for adc.
this is my experience as well, it makes sense because as adc you do the least damage in the first 20 minutes of the game (including support)
Can we get an update on this after the ADC items buff from patch 2 of the season?
Would be nice to know if there's more carry potential.
I use this exact strat for the top!
You are a split pusher aren't you? You might even have tryndamere or yorick in your champion pull. 😂 Good for you honestly it's the best way to have agency as a top laner.
"No glorious valhalla waiting for you when you die in battle" Ragnar Lotbotrk
DNI is EXACTLY how im winning as smolder currently xd. EVEN ON LANE. adc playstyle is like AP shaco right now. you just annoy them, but you dont really fight unless its TURBOFREE and UN-INTABLE
Here’s what I learned. Because Riot doesn’t cares about ADC, ADC should only cares about the team when the situation is only favorable for ADC
yo i love the hair saber
How long ago did he drop the Chicken Little tag? Felt like that was a keepsake for Saber.
so basically just chovy all over the place?
as a Jinx main I’ve honestly been doing this strat, however the part ive been struggling with mostly is just laning phase and just losing it/dying. any advice for that? (is all i can do is just get better?)
As jinx you have to play around your support you really dont have a choice, try to poke as much as possible with q rockets and w. Its all about spacing early and not taking free damage
Cool Saber learned how to play like control mage in season 13 😂
I’m applying this DNI to Udyr jungle
"i start doing damage right when the nexus falls"
- adc players
now what if the top jungler mid do dni wat happens then
What about an adc like Lucian
Does DNI also apply to enemy bot lane or should I try to fight them? Is it worth trading HP or just better to always be full HP?
He specifically said DNI with the enemy top/jg/mid. You can fight bot, but you DNI the other 3 roles because you should know you are at disadvantage by default
@@misterbxiv But he also said not to burn summoners on enemy bot. So this would mean I should not try to kill enemy bot if trying to do so would lead me to burning sums because killing is not guaranteed
Trading hp is not worth mid/late game you need every single hp at that point. If you get damage for free sure do, otherwise you are forced to back because you are already a dead man walking.
@@VeiennIf you can kill them go for it, but not at the cost of giving jg a double kill for example
So i've done this so called DNI strat, and gone 3/0+ in lane 11 games straight now, but it doesn't seem like i'm winning any games since i'm on an 11 game loss streak. Sure this DNI is good in theory, but when your top jg mid runs it. doing DNI becomes near impossible win strat no? you need atleast 1 other human being to carry those games
Well if 3 out of 4 lanes (counting JG) "run it" it should make sense that you lose
In theory at least one of them should win because you're "distracting" their jungler. So yours can gank your solos. But then again, has there ever been a strategy that consistently work in low elo? It's just clusterfuck chaos until you're around emerald depending on the server.
I'm a 5+ years support main and I managed to reach diamond for the first time in my life by learning Vel'koz and playing mid until Plat1/Emerald4 AND THEN going back to support.
exactly. low elo if you're mechanically better u can fight fight fight and still win
Tbf, i wanna try, but i've lost my last 5 games as ace of the team to my solos going 2/10 and losing to random splitpush 1/5 yone winning the game so i'm not sure this changes anything ^^' yone with 300 cs afk sidelaning taking your entire base and being lvl 18 at 25 minutes while your own toplaner is nowhere to be seen has no counterplay, sadly.
4 games of S- or higher in a row after applying this strat. Nice vid but it just boring being a non-mage adc
this strategy would only work on sivir who wants to do nothing anyway
Sivir is master class champ for this xD
correct, but if you can't lane you gg lose
8:18 i think you mean to say DNI not DEI lol
Nah, he gets it right, lol
or u play kog'maw and statcheck them. i go rageblade hurricane terminus jakshow pretty much every game and just sprint at people.
kog op because at 1 item (rageblade) you can start interacting haha
@xFSNSaber or no items if u have Lulu or Milio.
is this strat specifically for solo queue? what about 5v5 flex w/ comms?
It's purely a solo/duo queue strat, your team is supposed to play around you in 5v5. Sure it can be used but in team environment action isn't supposed to happen when there's farm on the map and adc is not expected to participate if that's not the case.
This video helped me alot! I am switchig to another role, until rito does something about this role. Sorry, but being afk farmer for 30 minutes and starting to deal damage when you hitting nexus is just sad. This is nowhere near to fun. I can just go for WOW if I want to do some pve. Absolutely fucking sad.
For all those in low elo like me as ad, the DNI strat does work. But you need to macro properly imo. For instance, whether or not you win, lose or go even. No matter if you get a tower or not, by 15 mins lane is over, you should go mid and just pressure that lane so you can respond to the random teamfights happening on either sides of the map and hope for a positive outcome, you can also DNI and just farm waves for priority and simply wait for a response. I tried to do it solely on my own by splitting as an ad, but too many times have i experienced games if had done what I just preached by just shifting to mid lane and not being so stubborn, my w/l record wouldnt look so ugly. I do agree that it will take more than yourself to be competent but by actually putting the soloist mindset aside and helping out in the fights unsure game states could turn into game winning shifts into a victory.
When did LoL become call of duty? Whoever gets the oneshot first wins
just dont outplay. begin every fight by running for about 10 full seconds. This is how I win
DNI too strong they'll nerf it next patch !
lol I love it
80% in 25 games says literally nothing. The sample is too small. Achieving this by pure luck is around 1/500 chance, which happens every day all the time. With 50 games, it would already be around 1/100k, which starts looking promissing.
DEI too strong
hi
The only time this would work is when you have a team that hasn't fed 20+ kills by 10 minutes where the enemy can just steamroll over them every interaction while you afk farm. Which is rare. especially below gold.
nah .. ill just stay iron 😂
I think can’t apply no strategy when you are in Bronze/Silver elo.
I’ m play solo Caitlyn and every time i feel don’t have control of my games. No exscuse
Isn't it int at 15:12 to hit mid tower cause you don't know where Camille is? You can't outplay her with flash right?
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