A friend of mine has a 427 Chevy powered Pontiac. It is an all black convertible, 4 speed that is in concourse condition. He has documentation that it is 1 of 3 427 convertibles made. He brings it to a local car show once a year. Most of the people at the show have no idea how rare it is.
Actually, most powerful Pontiac was 1962 with "405 HP" 421" V8 that was actually about 490 HP and was winning all the races... it was also in early 1963 literature but none sold to public... none in Grand Prixs... ua-cam.com/video/gNg569agwiU/v-deo.html
I had a 1965 Pontiac Parisienne 4 door pillarless with the 283ci and powerglide PS, PB, and electric windows in the light blue metallic colour. The car was factory right hand drive and registered in 1966 in London, England. The dash board was an adaption of the 1965 Impala which was used on right hand drive cars throughout till 1969. Pontiacs from Canada were sold in Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and the UK. I sold it in 2013 and still miss it.
The one that cracks me up is Chevy's name for the early 265 - the Turbo-Fire. Most of us car guys now know that a turbo fire is definitely NOT a good thing!
Yup!! My uncle still has his ‘67 Gran Parisienne - came from the factory with 427 4bbl posti. Hidden headlights, 2 door hardtop. He surprised many gtos and Camaros over the years. I doubt there are many left.
Very interesting. It's true that in the sixties, HP ratings were in gross numbers so that they don't actually compare to the net numbers of today. But in the case of the 427 425 horse motor, it was under-rated and really put out over 450. Some of the high performance Pontiac motors of the early sixties were said to be 450 to 500 gross.
@@rogersmith7396 Yes. The well known 427 Tri powers of 67, 68 and 69 as either 400 or 435 hp ratings. Don't forget the trio of one barrel carbs used on the 53, 54 and 55 straight six Corvettes.
Insurance companies were among the reasons some engines were underrated. There were also race car classes that accounted for certain displacements being commonplace, but how it was achieved differed in bore and stroke as did airflow. Where in the dyno curve the gross HP and especially torque were realized made all the difference in actual performance. Low-end torque monsters, all those BPO big-block motors made them faster off the line. That said, for rarity and collectability, the relatively miniscule number of Canadian models of Pontiac with garden variety Chevy 427 ci engines gives an easy win over garden-variety 400 and 455 ci Ponchos
Growing up in suburban Detroit, I still marvel that these Canadian Pontiacs were just across the river in Ontario. Seems a pity that Pontiac's engines got out-muscled by Chevy but I guess there you go! I guess now I'll have to start keeping my eyes out in Hemmings and the Canadian car shows to see when one of these beauties comes up for sale! These are my kind of "imports"!
I'm older than dirt, I worked at Blue Max in the late 70s, we dynoed, a 455, with a one-year only discontinued factory cam, factory exhaust, factory EVERYTHING!! 510 HP 570 ft lb of torque, 5500 RPM redline.
It's difficult for me to consider these Canadian "Pontiacs" as true Pontiacs, considering the Chevrolet engines, transmissions and chassis.. They're essentially Chevrolets with Pontiac sheet metal, no? And the "narrow track" doesn't do the looks any favors either.
In 1960's Canada, we weren't exposed to Catalinas and Bonnevilles. For the high end, we had to settle for Parisiennes and Grande Parisiennes. It's interesting that the '66 adopted the Grand Prix features (grill and rear lights), instead of the Bonneville features (employed in previous years). Our family had a '58 Laurentian coupe for a few years. It was quite snazzy.
American Pontiacs were always available in Canada however were very expensive. They were never advertised and always special order. I knew someone who had a 61 Bonneville 4 door hardtop with every option except A/C. It was slightly higher in price than a comparably equipped Sedan de Ville.
Here in Australia we received pontiacs in small numbers, i believe they were CKD kits from canada, the catalina, bonneville and parisienne namplates were present but i cannot vouch if they represented the same spec as your cars.
@@MarinCipollina I learned to drive with that car and even all the torture I put the car through, mechanically it never failed. But by the time they sold it it was worthless, and nearly everything else was broken. (Drivers door latch, the faceplate on the radio fell off all the time, the paint was faded, interior trim was always falling off.. etc. but the engine and trans worked just fine. I think they sold it to a young guy for about $200.
Adam, you are the best! Even though I was just a kid (born in 1962), I remember all of the cars from the mid and late 60’s. I was fascinated with the different brands and how they differed.
Alan, you and me both. I was born in 1961 and by the time I was 9 or 10 I became obsessed with learning to identify all the cars I saw on the road. Around that time, my father bought a used 1964 Pontiac Bonneville station wagon; THAT was a beautiful car.
Adam, Iove the 1966 Pontiac's. I have been looking for a Grand Prix for years with no luck. For whatever reason Pontiac made about 21,000 less in '66 than was made in '65 which they looked really fat through the sides to me. This is a beautiful video!
Nice. I never knew the 283 in my father's 65 Laurentian was a Chevy engine until I discovered your channel a year ago. As you mentioned in previous videos, the Pontiacs of that era were a comfortable ride. Even though my father's 65 had manual steering, it went over bumps and rail tracks with a smoothness of a Lincoln. We used it as a second car until 1983. I remember as a teenager putting it neutral late one Friday night and pushing it to the road with my friends so I wouldn't wake my parents up. We went for a joy ride. In those days, cars could be put in neutral without key or ignition...lol
Your kidding of course right .. there is no Male child living who grew up with GTOs & Chevelle's and doesn't know just looking at them which are Poncho motors and which are Chevy motors . especially back when mowing the lawn and washing & waxing your parents cars were what we did ... My god say it ain't so ...
I worked for an engine rebuilder in the late 60's and there was another oddity about Canadian Pontiacs. When you stripped an engine down you could tell if it came out of a Chev or a Pontiac by looking at it's innards. The crank had superior machining on the counter weight throws and all the casting edges in the block were neatly ground down so there was no flashings that could break off and get in the oil pan. The deck machining was also superior to a Chev. This continued up until they introduced the 307 which was a real lump. I had a cousin that worked in the Canadian engine plant and he told me that although the engines all came from one plant, they were ordered in different batches and the Pontiac engines cost more due to superior machining.
Would you happen to know if the 305 that was in the 83 parisienne was built in the Canadian plant or were they built in the US and delivered to Canada?
66 Grand Parisienne also used 66 Grand Prix front styling, even on the wagon! My favorite is the 67 Grand Parisienne with Grand Prix hidden headlights and slit turn signals. That looks so cool on the four door hardtop and station wagon.
I love this channel for many reasons, but this is definitely one of them. The research into the obscure details of something like this is very much appreciated by an extreme perfectionist like myself. It just tickles my brain, brings back memories of so many automotive related things, and soothes my car-loving soul. Thank you!
My dad owned a '66 2-door Grande Parisienne - navy blue with a black vinyl roof - with the 327 V8 and Powerglide transmission. Just a few blocks away from us there was another '66 2-door Grande Parisienne - canary yellow with a black vinyl roof - with the 427. I never did ask the owner if it was the 390 hp version or the 425 hp version. I was just a kid! lol I now wish I had!
GM sold Canadian Pontiacs in Australia through the 1960s. I owned a '67 Parisienne pillarless sedan with a 307 Chev and Powerglide. It had an Impala dashboard and instruments. Great car!
Can’t forget the early 1960’s Pontiac 421 Super Duty. Four bolt mains, forged steel crank and rods, aluminum pistons, over size oil pan and sump, high volume pump, 11.5 to 1 compression, aluminum high rise intake, two Carter 4V carbs, McKellar solid lifter cam, over size valves and ports, header style exhaust manifolds. That engine was ready to go! The 421 SD was used extensively in NASCAR.
Thank you Adam! It is appreciated. I enjoyed seeing the Parisienne and hearing more about the history of Canadian Pontiacs. It appears GM/Pontiac got creative there in Canada. I smiled when I saw the 1980's Parisienne Brougham photo and hearing you talk about it. It was a mistake they got rid of their full sized Pontiac in he United States. Pontiac was going through its small car phase when GM was trying to reshape the brands in the 1980's. They brought most of the 1980-1981 Pontiac back in 1985. The only parts that did not return were the instrumentation panel( Chevrolet Caprice) and front end styling( Chevrolet Caprice with a Pontiac grille). Everything else did return. I heard it had something to do with the tooling. I know the car we called Bonneville model G or G Body Bonneville was called Grand LeMans in Canada. I liked just seeing hearing about the differences. I know the 1977 to 1981 Bonneville and Parisienne were the same. I know the 1976 Pontiac Parisienne in Canada looked like the car we called Catalina in the United States. I saw a video of it here on You Tube. I know Grande' Parisienne was sold in Australia. GM was selling some American brands in Australia and globally as you said. I saw Oldsmobiles sold there and I saw photos and read about Pontiacs there as well. I know they sold them as kits there or something like that. I know the Holdens were using Pontiac parts in the 70's and I think the 80's too. Again thank you Adam and excellent video.
@@78logistics Thank you for responding, but the 1982-1984 Pontiac Parisienne was all Caprice/Impala. It was shared with Chevrolet Caprice/Impala. This is why so many think it was just Chevrolet Caprice. You are correct there. The car was sold in Canada in 1982 and we did not get the car until 1983 model year in the United States. The seats on the 1983-1984 Parisienne Brougham were shared with Oldsmobile Eighty Eight Royale Brougham. In 1985 and 1986 the sheet metal was from 1980-1981 Pontiac Bonneville except for the instrumentation panel and front end styling with a Pontiac grille. The 1985-1986 Parisienne Brougham interior had the 1980- 1981 Pontiac Bonneville door panels. The 1980-1981 Pontiac Parisienne and Pontiac Bonneville were the same car in both markets. There are videos of the car here on You Tube and online. Thank you for responding.
Friend in 1964 ordered a 64 Pontiac Laurentian station wagon with a 425hp 409 cu in , Muncie 4spd transmission and 4:11 gears, radio and posi. Think only four were built. It was silver with red interior.
My neighbour next door to me in Burnaby British Columbia bought one brand new with the 427/ 390 hp engine 4spd with fender skirts, dark blue, white interior. Turned 13.9's at Mission Raceway with stock bias ply tires untuned.
I sometimes forget how a generation of Canadians viewed the brands up here. My grandpa for instance only drove a GMC truck and van. No inferior Chevy for him. He did later on get a '75 Monte Carlo for my grandma which was babied, but mostly because it came from a family owned dealership. But in Canada, especially in the early days, the Pontiacs came with the features Canadians wanted and could afford. My dad's friend used to have an office in the old Pontiac building here in, Regina. Then you get to my dad's generation where that stigma wasn't so apparent. He did have his Trans-Am, Toranado, Riviera but his Chevy truck had to be a Silverado and the van was a custom Chevy 30. And then I eventually ended up working at a Pontiac dealership and getting a Solstice GXP. Still, a lot of those Canadian Pontiacs in the 50's and 60's are the oddballs in a larger market but not many still kicking around in original form. Lots parted out or scrapped. Maybe a few of those rare ones are still kicking around in original form, but I fear the engines being special may have been pulled and put to other uses.
Here in Canada, I remember in the 1990's I bought a 1972 Pontiac Luxury Lemans 4dr. with a 3spd. auto, and a 350 ci. Chevrolet engine, all factory equip.
Pontiacs "widetrack" was an advertising gimmick. While the Canadian versions of Pontiacs certainly did have a different frame, it was much more different than you think. Canadian versions had more of a wishbone frame. The Canadian versions of Pontiacs looked the same but if you were to go through American and Canadian side by side, top to bottom back in the day, they were totally different.
One Canadian Pontiac fact worth mentioning, The 1964 CP could be legitimately gotten with the 409 2x4 barrels. 425 hp @ 6000, 425 ft./lbs. Torque @ 4200.
I had a '73 Grande Ville with a 455 in her. Lost my license in weeks. Such memories.....now I'm driving a plastic p.o.s.. that won't run half the time. I miss my big 'ol boat.
My Dad sold Holdens in Australia in the 1970s and I remember him bringing home a HQ Monaro coupe with what he said was a ‘Canadian 350 Chev’. Of course that was far more exotic than the standard 253ci or 308ci Aust built power plants, might as well have come from the moon 😁
Saw one for sale last summer in a collection up in Northern Ontario near the mining area of Sudbury. A beautiful blue car, low milage and mint. Perfect condition. We were with a large group of classic car owners and this Pontiac was our favorite over a couple dozen other rare mint vehicles. All for sale at R&R restorations Val Caron, Ontario the owner is Roger Morin. Maybe the it's still for sale but bring some money as his cars are top of the line. Cheers 🇨🇦
My cousin in New Liskeard, which is about 140 miles north of Sudbury, had a 1965 4 door pillared dark blue 6 cylinder Pontiac. The car was never winter driven and she kept it for about 20 years. Could this be the same car you saw last year.
Interesting information. I never have considered Canadian Pontiacs to be real Pontiacs in the first place especially since they came with no Pontiac engines and used Chevrolet underpinnings. This is nothing against Chevy engines or models which I respect but the older brands ought to be authentic when they actually made their own powerplants. Having said all of that I still wouldn't mind owning one of those '66 427 powered Canadian Ponchos. What a beast. They must be as rare as hens teeth nowadays.
Here in Canada, I always thought it was amusing how strange the full size Pontiacs appeared with the wheels tucked so far under the car. They appeared to be designed to run on railways, or something. Perhaps a Salvador Dali edition would have been appropriate.
Hi Adam. Enjoy your videos very much. These stories about the vehicles you feature, are as interesting as the presentation of the cars themselves. I had a ‘68 385HP 427 equipped Parisienne 2+2. Only bought it to resell, but boy could it lay down positraction rubber!
I had a '67 PARISIENNE 2+2 convertible in 1978, 283 pg. I was 18 and installed an Edelbrock 3x2 intake, TH350 bolted in, and installed 3.36 posi. My friend had a nearly identical 2+2, mine lite blue, medium blue buckets console, his gold, black buckets. When he blew the 283 in his, we found a 409, had it rebuilt and installed it with a TH400. We cruised like the abnoxious teenagers we were. I now have 3 clone 409 Chevys, and I'll be pulling the engine in the blue Belair to save it for a '65 PARISIENNE custom sport convertibleb I plan to build as a tribute to my father's new '65 Parisienne convert, I fondly remember as a kid on my Green Royce Union bicycle
My cousins friend had a '69 Impala SS427 convertible, red red interior white top. It was bot by his mother new. She chose it over a dark red 350, she preferred the bright red, so 427 it was. I took it for a test drive, and with BG Goodrich Radial T/A's, it was all I could do to lay rubber with the open diffy. It prolly had hiway friendly 2.73s. It only Had 37000 miles at the time, but it'd been side swiped by one of the 3 boys. I wonder where it is today?
Around 1975, I bought a 2+2 with the 327 double bump 194 valve engine, mated it to a 4 speed and installed it in a 1968 Datsun pickup truck. Originally I had put in a Torino 302 with a C-4, but the Chevy was way more fun after adding 10.5:1 pistons, cam etc... 🙂 I lived in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, then used the truck and a trailer to move to Vancouver Island, and still live here. I sold the engine, then the truck with a 283 in it, when living in Victoria around 1977. Now I enjoy a 2022 Kona N-line with 1.6 turbo, awd, DCT, and it too is a riot to drive.
Sand Mountain Ballistics brought me here. Hey B&R Racing, honored mention....New Zealand , Australia and Canadian market fun. What a glorious hitch potch!
I think it will be great when they reintroduce the new Pontiac line up next year. The plans for a boutique luxury-performance brand by a major automaker is simply brilliant. It will force the Corvette team to innovate even beyond where they are today and Cadillac will have to really focus to stay the elite brand in the GM stable--that's great for them. I know the prices will be exorbitant and it may cost Buick ultimately, but for the design, performance and customization they plan to offer... It will be a game changer for the industry, a skunkworks for innovation across the corporation and a kick in the pants for enthusiasts. The mysterious vibe they're already cultivating is generating immense excitement, too. So glad they're doing this. (A kid can dream, can't he?)
I wonder if Pontiac would have done better if they had used the Canadian Chevy based models exclusively in the US as well. It would have saved a fortune in engineering and the lower cost differential versus Chevy would have likely increased Pontiac sales significantly
The 1970 Canadian Pontiac 2+2 was available with Chevrolet's big block 454, likely more powerful that the 427 big block 1966 Parisienne featured in this article
I spent a few days next to the Pontiac Motor Company at my grandmother house, Pontiac is no longer there it's gone a GM Drive line is there now.. and yes she did Drive big displacement Pontiacs, I own a 1965 GTO 3 Deuces and a 4 speed and let the fun begin!!!
I always enjoy your videos, Adam. I think the most noticeable exterior difference for these 1966 Canadian full-size Pontiacs was the absence of the US style opposing butterfly wipers, opting for I would imagine were the Chevrolet style wipers. Any thoughts about a video featuring the late 60s Canadian Pontiac Beaumont?
I was 15 (1972) when my family drove across Canada. I was really intrigued by the Parisienne, especially the 1967 & 1968 models with the hidden headlights that were used only on Grand Prix’s in the US.
All the more reason for us older Canadians to regret Pontiac's passing. Btw: we still see occasionally an early '60s Pontiac perched on the skinny Chev chassis. 'Chevriac' rules!
I had in mid 70 's 69 pont grnd prix .speedometer went to 160..i put in alum hi ruse edelman manfold.4bbl harley.better points rotor cond .etc..i sure wasnt saving the planet ...but i had fun ..great beast of a car
I was born in Pontiac, Michigan and I knew canadian pontiacs had chevrolet engines in them, now I know why. Very interesting article . The non wide-track 59 car looks strange to me, cool stuff, classic chevrolet restorers go North to get that engine you want.
...very nice video! There were many different vehicles in Canada..Look up the Pontiac Beaumont, or the Acadian. Mercury had a bunch as well..Merc pick-ups? yup..
My grandfather had a Pontiac Strato Chief. He would buy big heavy cars because he had a bad back and the bigger cars had a smoother ride. The car was sold for $75 with very low mileage back around 1976. Don't know much about that model and have never seen another one like it.
Pontiac was the volume leader for GM Canada until the bitter end… If memory serves it represented 1/3 of their total volume when they were discontinued.
The 1967 was very interesting because it was a one year only styling. 1964 to 1966 had the stacked chrome-surround headlights, and 1968-1969 became horizontal. Only 1967 had the low beams in the body panel and high beams surrounded by the bumper.
The first car that I ever drove was my dad's 1966 Pontiac StarChief. 4 door great car but my First car that I owned was a Oldsmobile StarFire convertible and she screamed.
Yes the Australian Impala and Parisiene were all out of Canada as were our trucks, a tell tale sign from a converted import to a factory import used to be they had small block with 12 bolt rear which the US models didn't
My buddy, talking about crazy Canuck rides, has a ‘65 409, 340hp Parisienne, equipped with a 4sp and bucket seats. Black on black… out Western Canada way. It was featured in Muscle Cars, Bone Stock and Modified magazine a couple years ago 😎🇨🇦
That's absolutely NUTS that you could get the L72 big block Chevy in a Canadian Pontiac. I knew the canadian pontiacs had Chevy chassis/running gear, figured since our Canadian folks are a frugal bunch most of them had the Stovebolt or Turbothrift straight six, with a good number of 283, 307, 327, 350 small blocks depending on year. Didn't think they'd offer the big block Chevy, much less the fire breathing L72 that was kind of a race motor tuned to "work" on the street.
The 1966 427 may hold top spot for Horsepower in Pontiacs, but the 454 available in the 1970 Pontiac 2+2, was rated at 500 lb-ft. of torque. Thanks for your video.
I owned the last car pictured. A 66 Grande Parisienne 4dr hardtop (327) Green on green. It was in pretty good condition at the time but there was some rust on the body mounts. Last seen in 1989 in Coquitlam B.C. I sure hope she survived. Elegant car.💔
I live in Canada. Dad had a Pontiac Catalina, I believe. I also remember the Laurentian here, I think? I still see the odd Parisienne and caprice around town (Toronto). I love your videos and the information. Ive learned so much about the oddities and rare features of automobiles. I had a caprice classic back when and I miss it. There's a fellow close to my house who has a late 1970s Caprice Classic. Looks summer driven. Glad to see it around Still. Thanks for the videos!
As a Canadian and and a Pontiac fan. Great Video. Being a kid in the 70's I seen Parisiennes and Laurentians all the time. My buddy as a teenager got his mom's red 67' Parisienne. It was great, loved that car. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, it only has the 283/ powerglide. The 427 woulda killed us.
At about 3:50, the brochure has misidentified the pictures of the 327Astro Flame with the 427 picture & visa -versa with Jet Flame. I once saw a 64 Canadian Grand Prix with a Chevy motor and a X frame. Can't remember which block it was.
I remember that feature on my dad's '66 Grande Parisienne. That was one of the first things that my dad and a neighbour remarked about when he first brought that car home. They both were surprised or amazed that the grille was plastic!
@@bobjohnson1587 I started collecting car literature when I was in the 8th grade. I would ride my bicycle to the dealerships and gather the literature. I would also look at the cars closely, and noticed that the 1966 Pontiac grill was plastic by thumping on it. I could read the tea leaves for what was to come.
I had a 65 Pontiac Parisienne 2 door hardtop with 250 Hp 327. I also had a rare in Canada 67 GTO 360/400. The US 421 Super Duty engines in a Bonneville with the 8 bolt Kelsey Hayes were the best to me. I believe they had higher HP Ratings than the 454.
Always love to see that Exotic Calstle Blue PARISSIENE. Complete history of the Parisienne would be riveting. And there's only one guy who could do it right. ✅️
Thanks for making the gross hp vs net distinction as a G8 GXP owner. With frequently a 25% disparity between ratings I’m pretty confident the modern 6.2 LS3 would be around 500hp gross. Love the picture of the wheels tucked in Pontiac that looks like it needs a kickstand.
The 421ci with the triple carbs also had 425hp when they made the factory racers in the early 60s. I don't know about Canada but that's what we had here in the US.
I never saw it but was told in my town (Ontario Canada) there was a 65 strato chief 427 back in the day .I saw in my high school (teachers) parking lot a 70 Pontiac station wagon with the wood grain sides but the reason I remember it it had big “454” emblems high up on the front fenders.Apparently it was possible to order a US model if you paid the extra tax (penalty) as I own a 66 GTO (tri power) that the original owner (I tracked down)said he paid $5,500(ish)in 66! Surprisingly there were quite a few around town ,especially since as I recall that’s about what a Corvette cost back then
Interesting video. One note, however. The picture of the 67 Pontiac is showing a car with significant deviations from stock, starting with the wheels and the lack of trim.
A friend of mine has a 427 Chevy powered Pontiac. It is an all black convertible, 4 speed that is in concourse condition. He has documentation that it is 1 of 3 427 convertibles made. He brings it to a local car show once a year. Most of the people at the show have no idea how rare it is.
Wow. Awesome
I had a 1957 Laurentian from Canada. It was a Pontiac two door hardtop on the outside and a Chevy 283 with a three speed. Great car.
Actually, most powerful Pontiac was 1962 with "405 HP" 421" V8 that was actually about 490 HP and was winning all the races... it was also in early 1963 literature but none sold to public... none in Grand Prixs...
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I had a 1965 Pontiac Parisienne 4 door pillarless with the 283ci and powerglide PS, PB, and electric windows in the light blue metallic colour. The car was factory right hand drive and registered in 1966 in London, England.
The dash board was an adaption of the 1965 Impala which was used on right hand drive cars throughout till 1969. Pontiacs from Canada were sold in Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and the UK.
I sold it in 2013 and still miss it.
I was the Midlands dealer for GM cars at that time. The Parisienne was our best seller. I saw one we sold new at Bicester last year.
The names that they used to identify their engines shows the kind of fascination that jet aircraft had on the public back then.
The one that cracks me up is Chevy's name for the early 265 - the Turbo-Fire. Most of us car guys now know that a turbo fire is definitely NOT a good thing!
Fuselage styling
I’m just an old codger, but I so miss those wonderful times!
People knew what gender they were in those days
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Yup!! My uncle still has his ‘67 Gran Parisienne - came from the factory with 427 4bbl posti. Hidden headlights, 2 door hardtop. He surprised many gtos and Camaros over the years.
I doubt there are many left.
Grande Parisienne. 😊A great looking car!
I'm a huge Chevy guy and have owned multiple big block Chevrolet vehicles, but you can't deny that the 421 Super Duties were the real deal.
Very interesting. It's true that in the sixties, HP ratings were in gross numbers so that they don't actually compare to the net numbers of today. But in the case of the 427 425 horse motor, it was under-rated and really put out over 450.
Some of the high performance Pontiac motors of the early sixties were said to be 450 to 500 gross.
I am thinking there was a tri power set up available in Corvette.
@@rogersmith7396 Yes. The well known 427 Tri powers of 67, 68 and 69 as either 400 or 435 hp ratings. Don't forget the trio of one barrel carbs used on the 53, 54 and 55 straight six Corvettes.
Sadly, knock about 15% off that gross number for the net number.
The SD 421 as installed in the '62 Catalina was rated at 405 hp, but Motor Trend calculated output was closer to 465 hp gross
Insurance companies were among the reasons some engines were underrated. There were also race car classes that accounted for certain displacements being commonplace, but how it was achieved differed in bore and stroke as did airflow. Where in the dyno curve the gross HP and especially torque were realized made all the difference in actual performance. Low-end torque monsters, all those BPO big-block motors made them faster off the line. That said, for rarity and collectability, the relatively miniscule number of Canadian models of Pontiac with garden variety Chevy 427 ci engines gives an easy win over garden-variety 400 and 455 ci Ponchos
Growing up in suburban Detroit, I still marvel that these Canadian Pontiacs were just across the river in Ontario. Seems a pity that Pontiac's engines got out-muscled by Chevy but I guess there you go! I guess now I'll have to start keeping my eyes out in Hemmings and the Canadian car shows to see when one of these beauties comes up for sale! These are my kind of "imports"!
I'm older than dirt, I worked at Blue Max in the late 70s, we dynoed, a 455, with a one-year only discontinued factory cam, factory exhaust, factory EVERYTHING!!
510 HP 570 ft lb of torque, 5500 RPM redline.
It's difficult for me to consider these Canadian "Pontiacs" as true Pontiacs, considering the Chevrolet engines, transmissions and chassis.. They're essentially Chevrolets with Pontiac sheet metal, no? And the "narrow track" doesn't do the looks any favors either.
In 1960's Canada, we weren't exposed to Catalinas and Bonnevilles. For the high end, we had to settle for Parisiennes and Grande Parisiennes. It's interesting that the '66 adopted the Grand Prix features (grill and rear lights), instead of the Bonneville features (employed in previous years). Our family had a '58 Laurentian coupe for a few years. It was quite snazzy.
American Pontiacs were always available in Canada however were very expensive. They were never advertised and always special order. I knew someone who had a 61 Bonneville 4 door hardtop with every option except A/C. It was slightly higher in price than a comparably equipped Sedan de Ville.
Here in Australia we received pontiacs in small numbers, i believe they were CKD kits from canada, the catalina, bonneville and parisienne namplates were present but i cannot vouch if they represented the same spec as your cars.
Love the Canadian Pontiacs. Need to do a video on the Beaumont and Acadian, Chevelle and Nova based cars. Thank you for another great video.
In the early 1990s, the Chevrolet Corsica in Canada was rebadged as a Pontiac Tempest.
@@MarinCipollina My parents had a 2.8L 6cl Pontiac Tempest
@@ChrisLoganToronto I hope they had a good experience with that.
@@MarinCipollina I learned to drive with that car and even all the torture I put the car through, mechanically it never failed. But by the time they sold it it was worthless, and nearly everything else was broken. (Drivers door latch, the faceplate on the radio fell off all the time, the paint was faded, interior trim was always falling off.. etc. but the engine and trans worked just fine. I think they sold it to a young guy for about $200.
Adam, you are the best! Even though I was just a kid (born in 1962), I remember all of the cars from the mid and late 60’s. I was fascinated with the different brands and how they differed.
I agree...Adam is providing a lot of the missing details.
out riding my schwinn. stingray id all-ways looked at the fender emblems and looked in side to see if it was a 4 speed
Alan, you and me both. I was born in 1961 and by the time I was 9 or 10 I became obsessed with learning to identify all the cars I saw on the road. Around that time, my father bought a used 1964 Pontiac Bonneville station wagon; THAT was a beautiful car.
@@scooterp7009 I definitely agree, scooterp. We need exciting cars being made.
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Adam, Iove the 1966 Pontiac's. I have been looking for a Grand Prix for years with no luck. For whatever reason Pontiac made about 21,000 less in '66 than was made in '65 which they looked really fat through the sides to me. This is a beautiful video!
Nice. I never knew the 283 in my father's 65 Laurentian was a Chevy engine until I discovered your channel a year ago. As you mentioned in previous videos, the Pontiacs of that era were a comfortable ride. Even though my father's 65 had manual steering, it went over bumps and rail tracks with a smoothness of a Lincoln. We used it as a second car until 1983. I remember as a teenager putting it neutral late one Friday night and pushing it to the road with my friends so I wouldn't wake my parents up. We went for a joy ride. In those days, cars could be put in neutral without key or ignition...lol
Your kidding of course right .. there is no Male child living who grew up with GTOs & Chevelle's and doesn't know just looking at them which are Poncho motors and which are Chevy motors . especially back when mowing the lawn and washing & waxing your parents cars were what we did ... My god say it ain't so ...
@@TheRoguelement Looks like I've learned a new term today. Remember, I'm Canadian. I thought it was a Buick engine actually. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm close to the Canadian border and remember seeing these cars.
pontiac did make a 438 hp 421 cid in 1962 super duty engines were under rated, more like 500 hp.
Eds Auto Reviews has a great vid about the Canadian auto industry and why the lineups were so simar and different.
I worked for an engine rebuilder in the late 60's and there was another oddity about Canadian Pontiacs. When you stripped an engine down you could tell if it came out of a Chev or a Pontiac by looking at it's innards. The crank had superior machining on the counter weight throws and all the casting edges in the block were neatly ground down so there was no flashings that could break off and get in the oil pan. The deck machining was also superior to a Chev. This continued up until they introduced the 307 which was a real lump. I had a cousin that worked in the Canadian engine plant and he told me that although the engines all came from one plant, they were ordered in different batches and the Pontiac engines cost more due to superior machining.
Would you happen to know if the 305 that was in the 83 parisienne was built in the Canadian plant or were they built in the US and delivered to Canada?
66 Grand Parisienne also used 66 Grand Prix front styling, even on the wagon! My favorite is the 67 Grand Parisienne with Grand Prix hidden headlights and slit turn signals. That looks so cool on the four door hardtop and station wagon.
I think the '68 Grand Parisienne used the '68 Grand Prix's front end too.
@@petercrabtree8471 yep! I would love to have a Grand Prix looking station wagon.
My favorite Pontiac motor is still the early 1960's 421 tri-power with an "advertised" 405 gross horsepower.
I love this channel for many reasons, but this is definitely one of them. The research into the obscure details of something like this is very much appreciated by an extreme perfectionist like myself. It just tickles my brain, brings back memories of so many automotive related things, and soothes my car-loving soul. Thank you!
Glad you enjoy it!
My dad owned a '66 2-door Grande Parisienne - navy blue with a black vinyl roof - with the 327 V8 and Powerglide transmission. Just a few blocks away from us there was another '66 2-door Grande Parisienne - canary yellow with a black vinyl roof - with the 427. I never did ask the owner if it was the 390 hp version or the 425 hp version. I was just a kid! lol I now wish I had!
Take a walk down there and ask him right now. 😆
@@MrJohnnyDistortion I might just do that! 😉
@bobjohnson205
Let me know of your findings.😆
@@MrJohnnyDistortion Will do!
GM sold Canadian Pontiacs in Australia through the 1960s. I owned a '67 Parisienne pillarless sedan with a 307 Chev and Powerglide. It had an Impala dashboard and instruments. Great car!
Our Chevrolets and Pontiacs in Australia came from Canada too, sharing many parts
I really appreciate all the detail you go into about how and why things were built the way they were on each car.
Can’t forget the early 1960’s Pontiac 421 Super Duty. Four bolt mains, forged steel crank and rods, aluminum pistons, over size oil pan and sump, high volume pump, 11.5 to 1 compression, aluminum high rise intake, two Carter 4V carbs, McKellar solid lifter cam, over size valves and ports, header style exhaust manifolds. That engine was ready to go! The 421 SD was used extensively in NASCAR.
I always liked those imported from Canada Parisian!
Thank you Adam! It is appreciated. I enjoyed seeing the Parisienne and hearing more about the history of Canadian Pontiacs. It appears GM/Pontiac got creative there in Canada. I smiled when I saw the 1980's Parisienne Brougham photo and hearing you talk about it. It was a mistake they got rid of their full sized Pontiac in he United States. Pontiac was going through its small car phase when GM was trying to reshape the brands in the 1980's. They brought most of the 1980-1981 Pontiac back in 1985. The only parts that did not return were the instrumentation panel( Chevrolet Caprice) and front end styling( Chevrolet Caprice with a Pontiac grille). Everything else did return. I heard it had something to do with the tooling. I know the car we called Bonneville model G or G Body Bonneville was called Grand LeMans in Canada. I liked just seeing hearing about the differences. I know the 1977 to 1981 Bonneville and Parisienne were the same. I know the 1976 Pontiac Parisienne in Canada looked like the car we called Catalina in the United States. I saw a video of it here on You Tube. I know Grande' Parisienne was sold in Australia. GM was selling some American brands in Australia and globally as you said. I saw Oldsmobiles sold there and I saw photos and read about Pontiacs there as well. I know they sold them as kits there or something like that. I know the Holdens were using Pontiac parts in the 70's and I think the 80's too. Again thank you Adam and excellent video.
It's a shame that the tooling for the far better-looking '77-'81 Pontiac dashboard and front end was apparently destroyed.
More than the dash and front end was Caprice....rear end styling as well, Chev engines, door panels especially in the 85 and 86 model years.
@@78logistics Thank you for responding, but the 1982-1984 Pontiac Parisienne was all Caprice/Impala. It was shared with Chevrolet Caprice/Impala. This is why so many think it was just Chevrolet Caprice. You are correct there. The car was sold in Canada in 1982 and we did not get the car until 1983 model year in the United States. The seats on the 1983-1984 Parisienne Brougham were shared with Oldsmobile Eighty Eight Royale Brougham. In 1985 and 1986 the sheet metal was from 1980-1981 Pontiac Bonneville except for the instrumentation panel and front end styling with a Pontiac grille. The 1985-1986 Parisienne Brougham interior had the 1980- 1981 Pontiac Bonneville door panels. The 1980-1981 Pontiac Parisienne and Pontiac Bonneville were the same car in both markets. There are videos of the car here on You Tube and online. Thank you for responding.
Also Adam, don't forget the Pontiac Canadian Sub-brands like Acadian and Beaumont.
There was another 425HP engine offered in a Canadian Pontiac, the 1963 Super-Flame 409 Dual Quad engine. Super rare and I have seen one in person.
Plus Dyno of 1962 Pontiac "405 HP"(rated) 421" Super Duty V8 engine option:
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Friend in 1964 ordered a 64 Pontiac Laurentian station wagon with a 425hp 409 cu in , Muncie 4spd transmission and 4:11 gears, radio and posi. Think only four were built. It was silver with red interior.
We really did love our Pontiacs back then in Canada. Always happy to see them at the car shows!
My friend had a 1966 Pontiac Catalina 427 2-door Coupe 4-speed bought it brand new order from the factory
My neighbour next door to me in Burnaby British Columbia bought one brand new with the 427/ 390 hp engine 4spd with fender skirts, dark blue, white interior. Turned 13.9's at Mission Raceway with stock bias ply tires untuned.
I sometimes forget how a generation of Canadians viewed the brands up here. My grandpa for instance only drove a GMC truck and van. No inferior Chevy for him. He did later on get a '75 Monte Carlo for my grandma which was babied, but mostly because it came from a family owned dealership. But in Canada, especially in the early days, the Pontiacs came with the features Canadians wanted and could afford. My dad's friend used to have an office in the old Pontiac building here in, Regina.
Then you get to my dad's generation where that stigma wasn't so apparent. He did have his Trans-Am, Toranado, Riviera but his Chevy truck had to be a Silverado and the van was a custom Chevy 30. And then I eventually ended up working at a Pontiac dealership and getting a Solstice GXP.
Still, a lot of those Canadian Pontiacs in the 50's and 60's are the oddballs in a larger market but not many still kicking around in original form. Lots parted out or scrapped. Maybe a few of those rare ones are still kicking around in original form, but I fear the engines being special may have been pulled and put to other uses.
Here in Canada, I remember in the 1990's I bought a 1972 Pontiac Luxury Lemans 4dr. with a 3spd. auto, and a 350 ci. Chevrolet engine, all factory equip.
Those cars are beasts
Pontiacs "widetrack" was an advertising gimmick. While the Canadian versions of Pontiacs certainly did have a different frame, it was much more different than you think. Canadian versions had more of a wishbone frame.
The Canadian versions of Pontiacs looked the same but if you were to go through American and Canadian side by side, top to bottom back in the day, they were totally different.
One Canadian Pontiac fact worth mentioning, The 1964 CP could be legitimately gotten with the 409 2x4 barrels. 425 hp @ 6000, 425 ft./lbs. Torque @ 4200.
I had a '73 Grande Ville with a 455 in her. Lost my license in weeks. Such memories.....now I'm driving a plastic p.o.s.. that won't run half the time. I miss my big 'ol boat.
The 65 and 66 were monsters down here. My high school principals Catalina would bury the needle.
My Dad sold Holdens in Australia in the 1970s and I remember him bringing home a HQ Monaro coupe with what he said was a ‘Canadian 350 Chev’. Of course that was far more exotic than the standard 253ci or 308ci Aust built power plants, might as well have come from the moon 😁
Saw a 427 chevy in a big Pontiac in Schreiber . Northern Ontario Canada back in the early 70s . It was a 4 door Parisienne if I remember right 1966 .
Saw one for sale last summer in a collection up in Northern Ontario near the mining area of Sudbury. A beautiful blue car, low milage and mint. Perfect condition. We were with a large group of classic car owners and this Pontiac was our favorite over a couple dozen other rare mint vehicles. All for sale at R&R restorations Val Caron, Ontario the owner is Roger Morin. Maybe the it's still for sale but bring some money as his cars are top of the line. Cheers 🇨🇦
My cousin in New Liskeard, which is about 140 miles north of Sudbury, had a 1965 4 door pillared dark blue 6 cylinder Pontiac. The car was never winter driven and she kept it for about 20 years. Could this be the same car you saw last year.
@@flatheadV8 the one we saw was an 8 cyl. 427 cu in. Nice cars either way
Interesting information. I never have considered Canadian Pontiacs to be real Pontiacs in the first place especially since they came with no Pontiac engines and used Chevrolet underpinnings. This is nothing against Chevy engines or models which I respect but the older brands ought to be authentic when they actually made their own powerplants. Having said all of that I still wouldn't mind owning one of those '66 427 powered Canadian Ponchos. What a beast. They must be as rare as hens teeth nowadays.
So would a '79 Trans Am with a 403 be an Oldsmobile? Asking for a friend.
Here in Canada, I always thought it was amusing how strange the full size Pontiacs appeared with the wheels tucked so far under the car. They appeared to be designed to run on railways, or something. Perhaps a Salvador Dali edition would have been appropriate.
Actually, the more-narrow Canadian
tracks should allow some fatter performance tires, with less
fender-clearance issues.
Hi Adam. Enjoy your videos very much. These stories about the vehicles you feature, are as interesting as the presentation of the cars themselves.
I had a ‘68 385HP 427 equipped Parisienne 2+2.
Only bought it to resell, but boy could it lay down positraction rubber!
I had a '67 PARISIENNE 2+2 convertible in 1978, 283 pg. I was 18 and installed an Edelbrock 3x2 intake, TH350 bolted in, and installed 3.36 posi. My friend had a nearly identical 2+2, mine lite blue, medium blue buckets console, his gold, black buckets. When he blew the 283 in his, we found a 409, had it rebuilt and installed it with a TH400. We cruised like the abnoxious teenagers we were. I now have 3 clone 409 Chevys, and I'll be pulling the engine in the blue Belair to save it for a '65 PARISIENNE custom sport convertibleb I plan to build as a tribute to my father's new '65 Parisienne convert, I fondly remember as a kid on my Green Royce Union bicycle
My cousins friend had a '69 Impala SS427 convertible, red red interior white top. It was bot by his mother new. She chose it over a dark red 350, she preferred the bright red, so 427 it was. I took it for a test drive, and with BG Goodrich Radial T/A's, it was all I could do to lay rubber with the open diffy. It prolly had hiway friendly 2.73s. It only Had 37000 miles at the time, but it'd been side swiped by one of the 3 boys. I wonder where it is today?
Around 1975, I bought a 2+2 with the 327 double bump 194 valve engine, mated it to a 4 speed and installed it in a 1968 Datsun pickup truck. Originally I had put in a Torino 302 with a C-4, but the Chevy was way more fun after adding 10.5:1 pistons, cam etc... 🙂 I lived in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, then used the truck and a trailer to move to Vancouver Island, and still live here. I sold the engine, then the truck with a 283 in it, when living in Victoria around 1977. Now I enjoy a 2022 Kona N-line with 1.6 turbo, awd, DCT, and it too is a riot to drive.
Sand Mountain Ballistics brought me here. Hey B&R Racing, honored mention....New Zealand , Australia and Canadian market fun. What a glorious hitch potch!
Very rare cars....! I have only seen one 427/425 in the USA..!! In Northern California
I think it will be great when they reintroduce the new Pontiac line up next year. The plans for a boutique luxury-performance brand by a major automaker is simply brilliant. It will force the Corvette team to innovate even beyond where they are today and Cadillac will have to really focus to stay the elite brand in the GM stable--that's great for them. I know the prices will be exorbitant and it may cost Buick ultimately, but for the design, performance and customization they plan to offer... It will be a game changer for the industry, a skunkworks for innovation across the corporation and a kick in the pants for enthusiasts. The mysterious vibe they're already cultivating is generating immense excitement, too. So glad they're doing this.
(A kid can dream, can't he?)
I wonder if Pontiac would have done better if they had used the Canadian Chevy based models exclusively in the US as well. It would have saved a fortune in engineering and the lower cost differential versus Chevy would have likely increased Pontiac sales significantly
Not no, but HELL NO ! The narrow track on Pontiac sheet metal Canadian versions looks like ass.
The 1970 Canadian Pontiac 2+2 was available with Chevrolet's big block 454, likely more powerful that the 427 big block 1966 Parisienne featured in this article
That would have been an LS-5 engine, not rated as high.
I spent a few days next to the Pontiac Motor Company at my grandmother house, Pontiac is no longer there it's gone a GM Drive line is there now.. and yes she did Drive big displacement Pontiacs, I own a 1965 GTO 3 Deuces and a 4 speed and let the fun begin!!!
Hey Adam, I love these mid sixties Pontiacs!!! I have fond memories of my aunt's 65 Grand Prix with tri power & 8 lug wheels!!!
I always enjoy your videos, Adam. I think the most noticeable exterior difference for these 1966 Canadian full-size Pontiacs was the absence of the US style opposing butterfly wipers, opting for I would imagine were the Chevrolet style wipers. Any thoughts about a video featuring the late 60s Canadian Pontiac Beaumont?
I was 15 (1972) when my family drove across Canada. I was really intrigued by the Parisienne, especially the 1967 & 1968 models with the hidden headlights that were used only on Grand Prix’s in the US.
All the more reason for us older Canadians to regret Pontiac's passing. Btw: we still see occasionally an early '60s Pontiac perched on the skinny Chev chassis. 'Chevriac' rules!
I love the 1960s Canadian Pontiacs
A wonderful overview, Adam. I always enjoy hearing about the unique Canadian market cars.
I had in mid 70 's 69 pont grnd prix .speedometer went to 160..i put in alum hi ruse edelman manfold.4bbl harley.better points rotor cond .etc..i sure wasnt saving the planet ...but i had fun ..great beast of a car
i had our 70 gp going 135 mph on the 210 freeway in the san fernando valley, the hood looked like it was going to pop open so i backed off.
Thats fast .those cars were monsters .also plymouth new yorker was a beast i had
My uncle owned a 1966 Parisienne convertible. It was gorgeous.
Thank's Adam. Another great presentation.
I was born in Pontiac, Michigan and I knew canadian pontiacs had chevrolet engines in them, now I know why. Very interesting article . The non wide-track 59 car looks strange to me, cool stuff, classic chevrolet restorers go North to get that engine you want.
The dark red ‘66 GP is stunning…
...very nice video! There were many different vehicles in Canada..Look up the Pontiac Beaumont, or the Acadian. Mercury had a bunch as well..Merc pick-ups? yup..
Back in the 60's, we used to import in Lebanon Canadian Parisiennes, Beaumonts and Acadians.
My grandfather had a Pontiac Strato Chief. He would buy big heavy cars because he had a bad back and the bigger cars had a smoother ride. The car was sold for $75 with very low mileage back around 1976. Don't know much about that model and have never seen another one like it.
Let us not forget another super rare combination.... the 1967 Grand Prix front end on a Parisienne Safari Wagon. Has anyone EVER seen one???
Pontiac was the volume leader for GM Canada until the bitter end… If memory serves it represented 1/3 of their total volume when they were discontinued.
That 66 grand parisienne does not have a bad line on it anywhere
I also like the unusual styling of the 67 front end especially the 67 Gran Prix
The 1967 was very interesting because it was a one year only styling. 1964 to 1966 had the stacked chrome-surround headlights, and 1968-1969 became horizontal. Only 1967 had the low beams in the body panel and high beams surrounded by the bumper.
The first car that I ever drove was my dad's 1966 Pontiac StarChief. 4 door great car but my First car that I owned was a Oldsmobile StarFire convertible and she screamed.
amazing detail those narrow wheels under the wide chassis because of the chevy/pontiac thing...I never knew that
Yes the Australian Impala and Parisiene were all out of Canada as were our trucks, a tell tale sign from a converted import to a factory import used to be they had small block with 12 bolt rear which the US models didn't
My buddy, talking about crazy Canuck rides, has a ‘65 409, 340hp Parisienne, equipped with a 4sp and bucket seats. Black on black… out Western Canada way. It was featured in Muscle Cars, Bone Stock and Modified magazine a couple years ago 😎🇨🇦
That's absolutely NUTS that you could get the L72 big block Chevy in a Canadian Pontiac. I knew the canadian pontiacs had Chevy chassis/running gear, figured since our Canadian folks are a frugal bunch most of them had the Stovebolt or Turbothrift straight six, with a good number of 283, 307, 327, 350 small blocks depending on year. Didn't think they'd offer the big block Chevy, much less the fire breathing L72 that was kind of a race motor tuned to "work" on the street.
Another GREAT video! 👍👍
Thank you for the history of the Canadian Pontiac.
The 1966 427 may hold top spot for Horsepower in Pontiacs, but the 454 available in the 1970 Pontiac 2+2, was rated at 500 lb-ft. of torque. Thanks for your video.
Dang. I had that 427 in my 68 Corvette. Beast of a motor.
Good day Adam,
Great info thanks for everything.
Cheers
Louis Kats
Glad it was helpful!
Nice looking cars!
I owned the last car pictured. A 66 Grande Parisienne 4dr hardtop (327) Green on green. It was in pretty good condition at the time but there was some rust on the body mounts. Last seen in 1989 in Coquitlam B.C. I sure hope she survived. Elegant car.💔
I live in Canada. Dad had a Pontiac Catalina, I believe. I also remember the Laurentian here, I think? I still see the odd Parisienne and caprice around town (Toronto). I love your videos and the information. Ive learned so much about the oddities and rare features of automobiles. I had a caprice classic back when and I miss it. There's a fellow close to my house who has a late 1970s Caprice Classic. Looks summer driven. Glad to see it around Still. Thanks for the videos!
As a Canadian and and a Pontiac fan. Great Video. Being a kid in the 70's I seen Parisiennes and Laurentians all the time. My buddy as a teenager got his mom's red 67' Parisienne.
It was great, loved that car. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, it only has the 283/ powerglide. The 427 woulda killed us.
I continuously DROOLED for 8 minutes and 15 seconds
At about 3:50, the brochure has misidentified the pictures of the 327Astro Flame with the 427 picture & visa -versa with Jet Flame.
I once saw a 64 Canadian Grand Prix with a Chevy motor and a X frame. Can't remember which block it was.
Little known fact: The 1966 full size Pontiacs were the first car to have a plastic grill (inserts).
I remember that feature on my dad's '66 Grande Parisienne. That was one of the first things that my dad and a neighbour remarked about when he first brought that car home. They both were surprised or amazed that the grille was plastic!
@@bobjohnson1587 I started collecting car literature when I was in the 8th grade. I would ride my bicycle to the dealerships and gather the literature. I would also look at the cars closely, and noticed that the 1966 Pontiac grill was plastic by thumping on it. I could read the tea leaves for what was to come.
I had a 65 Pontiac Parisienne 2 door hardtop with 250 Hp 327. I also had a rare in Canada 67 GTO 360/400. The US 421 Super Duty engines in a Bonneville with the 8 bolt Kelsey Hayes were the best to me. I believe they had higher HP Ratings than the 454.
Always love to see that Exotic Calstle Blue PARISSIENE.
Complete history of the Parisienne would be riveting.
And there's only one guy who could do it right. ✅️
Thanks Adam, been in VA alot lately, glad to be back to the awesome info you provide. Love those Pontiacs . Thanks for everything.
Keep going in this same vein, Young Man - Dig around and tell your peers the story of "Beaumont" and "Acadian" Canada-car BRANDS, please.
Thanks for making the gross hp vs net distinction as a G8 GXP owner. With frequently a 25% disparity between ratings I’m pretty confident the modern 6.2 LS3 would be around 500hp gross. Love the picture of the wheels tucked in Pontiac that looks like it needs a kickstand.
Ein sehr interessanter Bericht über sehr schöne Autos. Super. 👍
Adam, I welcome this purely positive Pontiac story. 😁
In Canada most Pontiac models had Chevrolet V8 engines and the Acadian which is look similar to the Nova but different by badges
The 421ci with the triple carbs also had 425hp when they made the factory racers in the early 60s. I don't know about Canada but that's what we had here in the US.
I never saw it but was told in my town (Ontario Canada) there was a 65 strato chief 427 back in the day .I saw in my high school (teachers) parking lot a 70 Pontiac station wagon with the wood grain sides but the reason I remember it it had big “454” emblems high up on the front fenders.Apparently it was possible to order a US model if you paid the extra tax (penalty) as I own a 66 GTO (tri power) that the original owner (I tracked down)said he paid $5,500(ish)in 66! Surprisingly there were quite a few around town ,especially since as I recall that’s about what a Corvette cost back then
454 came in Canadian Chevys................
Very enjoyable presentation!
Respectfully, PG. Seattle
Interesting video. One note, however. The picture of the 67 Pontiac is showing a car with significant deviations from stock, starting with the wheels and the lack of trim.
Cool..i remember mentioning these to you some time back..so happy to see them featured :D