Improvised & Craft-Built Firearms w/ Jonathan Ferguson & Nic Jenzen-Jones

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  • Опубліковано 26 гру 2017
  • / forgottenweapons
    Today I am joined for a round table discussion (well, octagon table, technically) by Jonathan Ferguson (Curator of the National Firearms Centre collection at the Royal Armouries) and Nic Jenzen-Jones (Director of Armament Research Services) to discuss a variety of improvised and craft-produced firearms. All three of us are contributors to a research paper being published by the Small Arms Survey on this subject, and we thought we would take a few minutes to discuss it on video.
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  • @leljdam3189
    @leljdam3189 5 років тому +6537

    perfect for protecting your home
    *bad for rushing dome*

  • @Jrtekk
    @Jrtekk 3 роки тому +3830

    Parents: Eoka isn't real eoka can't hurt you.
    :

    • @MrBlack75922
      @MrBlack75922 3 роки тому +263

      can you help me, naked man standing in front of my door with double barrel shotgun

    • @matthewmintel75
      @matthewmintel75 3 роки тому +21

      @@MrBlack75922 no

    • @MrBlack75922
      @MrBlack75922 3 роки тому +34

      @@matthewmintel75 darn

    • @ryanstanberry7470
      @ryanstanberry7470 3 роки тому +92

      Full metal and ak wont save you from naked with eoka

    • @Gabwien
      @Gabwien 3 роки тому +22

      Unless the dude is already dead from the thirsty roof campers

  • @torbrowser1155
    @torbrowser1155 3 роки тому +1884

    boys y’all tryna go eco with eokas 😩☠️

  • @nukenfries9403
    @nukenfries9403 3 роки тому +905

    Holy crap, we have the crossover of Gun Jesus with the GameSpot Gun Guy

    • @fogaming2578
      @fogaming2578 3 роки тому +11

      Lol

    • @AntonAdelson
      @AntonAdelson 2 роки тому +15

      Best crossover ever!!

    • @Bikavin
      @Bikavin 2 роки тому +2

      @@AntonAdelson Yes

    • @mateodevin
      @mateodevin 2 роки тому +34

      I still think keeper of firearms and atrillery sounds significantly more bad-ass

    • @robotman5105
      @robotman5105 2 роки тому +1

      @@mateodevin he sounds badass but he doesn’t shoot guns for us as much as Gun Jesus!

  • @callsignshulei229
    @callsignshulei229 5 років тому +4738

    Welcome to the hall of weapons historians. Here is your standard issue beard and ponytail.

    • @jamesh1758
      @jamesh1758 4 роки тому +87

      This comment has me dead. Jesus Christ

    • @kevinwestermann1001
      @kevinwestermann1001 4 роки тому +168

      @@jamesh1758 *Gun Jesus Christ

    • @tednjessdamman7089
      @tednjessdamman7089 3 роки тому +109

      And matching black polo shirt.

    • @carstealer
      @carstealer 3 роки тому +21

      @@tednjessdamman7089 OH YEAH

    • @alexbarnett8541
      @alexbarnett8541 3 роки тому +92

      The government only trusts people with beards and ponytails to own and handle machine guns. It's absolutely the number one thing they look Into most before issuing licenses. Beards are way more important than looking into someone's criminal and mental health backgrounds. Secondly it's also important to be as calm as Mr. Rogers while speaking in a soft soothing voice. It's working well for Ian. He gets full access to everything. And it's not because he has a successful UA-cam channel. It's the beard and pony tail legal loophole.

  • @boobpoocacca2064
    @boobpoocacca2064 6 років тому +5507

    Ha, that's what the Eoka pistol in rust is based on

    • @watercat6107
      @watercat6107 6 років тому +287

      a legitimate name exaxt thing i thought when I saw the title

    • @Foxxie0kun
      @Foxxie0kun 6 років тому +203

      That's exactly why it's called the Eoka pistol, too. The faction using those bic-lock handguns was called Eoka I presume.

    • @InsanoBinLooney
      @InsanoBinLooney 6 років тому +237

      "ebola pistol"

    • @dicckkstaccyy8919
      @dicckkstaccyy8919 6 років тому +9

      was just thinking that

    • @djordje123king
      @djordje123king 6 років тому +40

      Only the real vets know it as the "toenail"

  • @XavXavBoi
    @XavXavBoi 3 роки тому +806

    I came here for the Eoka, I left with an LR and an angry Hazmat kid on the floor.

  • @godlia_
    @godlia_ 3 роки тому +558

    An actual Eoka

    • @theforlanjoker4457
      @theforlanjoker4457 3 роки тому +3

      Did you not know they were real

    • @godlia_
      @godlia_ 3 роки тому +25

      @@theforlanjoker4457 Nah, thought it was rust's idea

    • @Kevin-McLaughlin
      @Kevin-McLaughlin 3 роки тому +3

      @@godlia_ Please tell me you're being sarcastic

    • @berryy82
      @berryy82 3 роки тому +23

      @@Kevin-McLaughlin yea i thought it was some fictional gun that was created to be just some meme

    • @beenchillin2yill197
      @beenchillin2yill197 3 роки тому +2

      @@berryy82 Same

  • @modulator7861
    @modulator7861 4 роки тому +1835

    I don't know much about guns, but I could field-strip that "Slam Shotgun" in like 1 second.

    • @AlexK-jp9nc
      @AlexK-jp9nc 4 роки тому +200

      The beauty of it is that it starts off stripped

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 4 роки тому +114

      The downside is that you need to field-strip it to be able to reload it.
      The upside is, it's very fast and easy to do.

    • @dadddynoldddz286
      @dadddynoldddz286 4 роки тому +16

      I can disassemble it fully in the the same time

    • @thelegacyshow4248
      @thelegacyshow4248 3 роки тому

      Probably yeah

    • @Peta_CHAD69
      @Peta_CHAD69 3 роки тому +7

      @TheReaperOfLykos76
      Even if it was cleared, I'd find some way to blow my face off.

  • @YayAkiba
    @YayAkiba 4 роки тому +576

    Ok, that folding stock also doubling as a front grip is genius.

    • @TannerisSmol97
      @TannerisSmol97 2 роки тому +12

      Is it tho? You can only use one at a time

    • @mrfourtwenty8506
      @mrfourtwenty8506 2 роки тому +3

      I prefer the front and rear sights being a barrel is the best

    • @kushmoosh4171
      @kushmoosh4171 2 роки тому +2

      Irish genius who’d have thought

    • @human678
      @human678 2 роки тому +21

      @@TannerisSmol97 But when using it as a stock you probably don't need the stability that the front grip brings to the table.

    • @grizzlyblackpowder1960
      @grizzlyblackpowder1960 2 роки тому +5

      There are some eastern European weapons you'd be into if you like strange and somewhat unnecessary utilities.

  • @dean5699
    @dean5699 3 роки тому +45

    Being British and growing-up in the 1980's and 1990's, the weapons obtained from the conflict in Northern Ireland are particularly interesting. Putting aside the divisive politics and tragic loss of life on both sides, the ingenuity of gaining and/or manufacturing firearms by both sides is fascinating.

  • @keelanmurphy9941
    @keelanmurphy9941 3 роки тому +86

    You kinda touched on another reason improvised firearms were more commonplace with Loyalist paramilitaries than Republican ones. The traditionally unionist-dominated industries in Northern Ireland, especially shipbuilding, were crumbling by the time of the Troubles, meaning that there were a LOT of disgruntled and highly capable machinists and the like with a lot of time on their hands.

    • @ianbarclay8658
      @ianbarclay8658 2 роки тому +23

      Also, the Republicans were supplied with plenty of firearms by supporters in the USA, so there was not the same need to improvise. Some of these came from National Guard stores, though they were reported as 'stolen'. This was clamped down on as part of the 'war on terror', after September 11th. The best the Loyalists could do was magazines and barrels from supporters in Canada.

    • @hypnotised-clover
      @hypnotised-clover 2 роки тому +8

      @@ianbarclay8658 Libya was also supplying weapons to the IRA, Gadaffi was a big supporter of Irish Republicans.

    • @neonswine
      @neonswine 2 роки тому +4

      There are ex-UVF loyalists in Belfast who give tours of the Shankill neighborhoods as part of a rehabilitation program, and one of the guys giving the tours worked at the shipyard building these, told me all about it when I visited

    • @mrchickenfeathers9184
      @mrchickenfeathers9184 Рік тому +4

      @@ianbarclay8658 lol. Loyalists were smuggling m60’s, colt commandos, MAC10’s among other things from Canada.
      There was 300 AK47’s and 2 tonnes of explosives found in Teesport in England bound for loyalists in 1993.

  • @waffleology5762
    @waffleology5762 4 роки тому +832

    Man, now I can doorcamp my neighbors.

  • @loumorningstar7709
    @loumorningstar7709 4 роки тому +2940

    American: buys a gun.
    British guy: cant buy a gun so *devises a home made nuclear warhead in his shed*

    • @jamesh1758
      @jamesh1758 4 роки тому +103

      We can buy guns, we don’t like hand them out to just anyone tho.

    • @redcell9636
      @redcell9636 4 роки тому +212

      @@jamesh1758 neither do we.

    • @jamesh1758
      @jamesh1758 4 роки тому +80

      RedCell96 can’t argue with that to be fair
      But what I meant was we don’t have rights and we don’t really have a gun culture so when people do want to own guns they have to jump through way more hoops than you do in the US

    • @redcell9636
      @redcell9636 4 роки тому +126

      @@jamesh1758 yeah it's sad to see so many arbitrary issues with firearms ownership in the UK. I mean in the US you still need a background check and come back clear and you have to be a resident of the state you are purchasing a firearm and/or do it through an FFL on the internet. Everything about it is extremely convoluted. The best thing for people to do before getting all booty-tickled is do the research. I think, at least in the US, they need to mandatorily teach about 2A, firearms law, and the proper procedures like they do with driving. That way everyone has a good baseline to make informed opinions.

    • @thatguybrody4819
      @thatguybrody4819 4 роки тому +70

      funny story about the nuclear shed, it was actually a thing done my a boy scout. (obviously not a warhead but a reactor)

  • @austinflint8671
    @austinflint8671 3 роки тому +65

    You can really tell the two hosts are trying to keep their professionalism at the forefront of their minds but seeing the guy discuss the magazines was like watching a kid describe their favorite game xD you can tell he's passionate about the subject

  • @aestheticsvibes6435
    @aestheticsvibes6435 3 роки тому +48

    That guy in the middle looks like he could do some video games reaction

  • @Bleakcobra33264
    @Bleakcobra33264 4 роки тому +1002

    I’ll give you 1000 caps for those

    • @unintelligentlifeform3821
      @unintelligentlifeform3821 3 роки тому +34

      A man of culture

    • @phuklyyve8941
      @phuklyyve8941 3 роки тому +7

      @@unintelligentlifeform3821 loooool

    • @PoopfaceMc
      @PoopfaceMc 3 роки тому +27

      If you had higher Barter or Speech it would only be like 500...

    • @JeSsSe66
      @JeSsSe66 3 роки тому +14

      In New Vegas more like 6000 caps lmao

    • @monkeyt2675
      @monkeyt2675 3 роки тому +2

      Sorry dude wrong game

  • @harvestn9841
    @harvestn9841 6 років тому +1708

    Am I the only one who is still waiting for them to talk about the other four guns?

    • @DFX2KX
      @DFX2KX 6 років тому +115

      nope.
      I actually giggled at the Liberator, because I have the STL files for that, and now have a 3D printer. I could feasibly have one this evening if I wanted (I don't, because it's a death trap)

    • @trailblazer632
      @trailblazer632 6 років тому +93

      DFX2KX you should look into some of the new research in 3d materials for guns and gun parts. Things have come a long long way since the liberator lol

    • @bensmith4563
      @bensmith4563 6 років тому +6

      me

    • @westsidefolk
      @westsidefolk 5 років тому +36

      no i wish these ladies would stop chatting

    • @klyesam4006
      @klyesam4006 5 років тому +23

      how fast is your printer, no way you can print a full sized liberator at the specified setting in one day.

  • @malcolmlane-ley2044
    @malcolmlane-ley2044 3 роки тому +43

    Whilst you can't fondle the weapons, for those of you that can get to Leeds, the Royal Armouries is a must-see collection. Jonathan is an amazing picture of British of cautious and reservedness, perfect for working with firearms although I'd like to see what happens to him after a few pints of Timothy Taylor's Landlord

  • @kiba_the_lucky
    @kiba_the_lucky 2 роки тому +18

    the 3 lords of the gun council have come together
    truly, an event to be remembered for ages

  • @2bitmarketanarchist337
    @2bitmarketanarchist337 6 років тому +2304

    Nobody going to mention the one man also is a bearded pony tail guy? Ian's British clone...

  • @user-kf6nc5jv3l
    @user-kf6nc5jv3l 6 років тому +1753

    Is this actual footage of the Last Supper?

  • @neverpreparedenough6431
    @neverpreparedenough6431 3 роки тому +22

    I love how they just totally slipped the Leuty subgun sitting on the table because it works and works well

  • @firstname4097
    @firstname4097 3 роки тому +49

    I thought someone made that makarov by themselves for a hot minute, and then realized they just put a threaded barrel on a makarov. My faith in humanity has been dashed

    • @qdaniele97
      @qdaniele97 3 роки тому +15

      Actually, they converted a blank-firing fake Makarov in a functional Makarov replica and added a homemade suppressor to it.

  • @ayebraine
    @ayebraine 6 років тому +1189

    Dear Ian, I'm reasonably well-versed in "traumatic weapons" topic in Russia, so I'll add a few details to the video.
    First of all, the rationale for this class of firearms is the ban on handguns and short-barreled firearms for civilians in Russia. Traumatic guns (OOOP, "limited effect / less-lethal firearms") were introduced into the federal law in order to give civilians a self-defense option other than mace or shock-sticks.
    The inception of the class was marked by the success of the Osa (Wasp) "barrelless" handguns: 4- or 2-barreled pocket weapons developed for an effective, even formidable cartridge, the 18x45 - with its thick cases substituting for barrels in a lightweight alloy, short, break-open derringer-type frame with electric ignition.
    The interest by civilians pining for real handguns saw different firms developing various "almost-real" self-loading hanguns and revolvers for the class. Foreign companies often adapted their blank-firing or gas offerings to answer the demand.
    All of these models use special rubber-bullet cartridges (like 9mm PA and .45 Rubber), incompatible with firearm cartridges. They are also allowed to fire flashbang, gas, and illumination/signal cartridges.
    As of now, Russians can apply for a traumatic handgun license, similar in requirements to regular shotgun or rifle licenses. A citizen can have 2 of these registered to them at a time. At some point, the law was amended to limit the growing influx of imported traumatic hanguns by banning their import (there's a lot of legalese there, but essentially they forced both locals and foreigners to manufacture them domestically).
    Now for the stuff really relevant to the video: all traumatic pistols certified in Russia have to prevent easy conversion to live firearm variants. The law specifically calls for addition of barrel obstructions: I'm really not sure about the "spiral barrel" that your co-host mentioned, mostly these took the form of spaced "teeth" or "steps" inside the barrel that the bullet should squeeze past. As I understand, with time, manufacturers relaxed these measures and now include only token barrel obstructions. In any case, these (knowingly) introduced weld-weakened and thinned / pushed in sections into the barrel, which increases the protection against conversion.
    Further, the guns should be made such as to only withstand the stresses of normal operation, and barely at that. In the case of PM-based traumatic guns, this means weakened barrel base, and irregular or squeezed barrel (see above). Purpose made traumatic guns mostly get made from low strength alloys and also have weakened barrels. The stated life of these guns is low by firearms standards, in the low thousands or even less than a thousand. Although of course the ones who skirt the law the hardest are the most sought after.
    But mostly traumatic guns have questionable material quality, fit, and finish - with the exception refurbished combat ones like Izh-78 / 79 (which is not strictly a PM, but a modified security guard pistol based on the PM, Izh-71) and the Izh-78-9T, which is a rebarreled PSM pistol.
    So for the UK Baikal assassination guns, the criminals could take two routes: either drill-through and rechamber the gun for a cartridge larger than the original "9mm PA" rubber cartridge; drill out the obstructions and load and sell custom lethal rounds of 9mm PA; or replace the barrel outright, especially considering the supposedly weakened barrel trunnion.

    • @camron.w1841
      @camron.w1841 5 років тому +50

      ayebraine 5 likes and one comment after all the effort.
      Keep doing what your doing man.

    • @shadowstorm657
      @shadowstorm657 4 роки тому +38

      Thank you for the wealth of information.

    • @Ganimoth
      @Ganimoth 4 роки тому +32

      That was a very interesting read, thank you!

    • @pr0xZen
      @pr0xZen 4 роки тому +22

      I would never have learned this if not for you. Thank you.

    • @Luke-tm5oy
      @Luke-tm5oy 4 роки тому +12

      thanks from Canada dude !

  • @freedomisntfreeffs
    @freedomisntfreeffs 6 років тому +447

    The "303"-marked submachine gun kind of baffle me, Muffle-suppressor, Folding stock-foregrip combo, forward placed return spring. And all of it made by a non-gun company, presumably. It's also sexy as hell.

    • @johnjuiceshipper4963
      @johnjuiceshipper4963 6 років тому +12

      Ulsterman96 a true business man.

    • @freedomisntfreeffs
      @freedomisntfreeffs 6 років тому +5

      Thanks for the additional insight. Do you have a name or source where I could learn more about him/it?

    • @kafelkan1482
      @kafelkan1482 6 років тому +3

      Spr4yzz Truly sexy weapon engineering

    • @joezzzify
      @joezzzify 6 років тому +24

      There is a website called Balaclava street which has an article about weapons acquirement you may be interested in. A lot of the Loyalists who made guns where experienced engineers and had the necessary experience to create working firearms at that level of complexity.

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 6 років тому +6

      +Laird Cummings Yup. You just need a piece of tool steel and a hydraulic press.

  • @BrxIghtside
    @BrxIghtside 4 роки тому +6

    Ian being so excited to pick up the guns is so pure

  • @keyanblyler04
    @keyanblyler04 2 роки тому +4

    This would be an interesting series to watch and I'd be here for it

  • @mooseitself
    @mooseitself 4 роки тому +294

    I once met a kid who showed me a video of him playing with a staple gun that was converted into a single shot 22 pistol.

    • @plaguedoctor4411
      @plaguedoctor4411 3 роки тому +28

      I think ive seen that gun in a police photo

    • @mooseitself
      @mooseitself 3 роки тому +78

      @@plaguedoctor4411 As of a few weeks after my original post, that kid went to jail. So that's not that unlikely.

    • @bananaking2305
      @bananaking2305 3 роки тому +1

      @@mooseitself oof

    • @evoklax
      @evoklax 3 роки тому

      @@mooseitself why didn’t he get fined for that ( did he stay in jail for a year)

    • @mooseitself
      @mooseitself 3 роки тому +6

      @@evoklax I have no idea what he got bagged for originally, but he's out now. Still actin a fool.

  • @DictionaryDylan
    @DictionaryDylan 4 роки тому +417

    I'm so pissed that crazy looking pepperbox wasn't talked about.

  • @jackli1662
    @jackli1662 3 роки тому +26

    endgame loot: Eoka

  • @mokonono5903
    @mokonono5903 3 роки тому +10

    Seeing Jonathan here is really cool. I mean yeah I know he's the head of the Royal Armouries and not just some random British gun expert GameSpot hired but its nice to know his internet influence is still pretty sizable. :D

    • @taylorkeating6884
      @taylorkeating6884 Рік тому

      Ian has done about a half a dozen other videos with Jonathan, usually about bullpups. There was one video about how to make tea correctly, though.

  • @DerTypDa
    @DerTypDa 6 років тому +319

    Gotta say, the dual-purpose buttstock/forward grip is legitimately pretty clever.

    • @obviousgreyman
      @obviousgreyman 4 роки тому +15

      DerTypDa I was really impressed, super intuitive and useful as a grip in “pistol” form and looked very solid for a stock of its type.

    • @alexfrederick9019
      @alexfrederick9019 4 роки тому +17

      I completely agree, but it's not a surprise, given that it is a weapon from "The Troubles"

    • @seefuchs1006
      @seefuchs1006 4 роки тому +5

      Until the grip leaves some marks on your shoulder

    • @british35
      @british35 3 роки тому

      Accuracy 100

    • @user.who137
      @user.who137 3 роки тому

      Leave it to the IRA

  • @TheFirearmEnthusiast
    @TheFirearmEnthusiast 6 років тому +804

    This video needs to be a few hours longer with more guns.

  • @TheTimofee
    @TheTimofee 3 роки тому +4

    I'm just here to check out the Eoka

  • @DekkerDekker
    @DekkerDekker 3 місяці тому +1

    Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of firearms and artillery for the Royal Armouries in the UK, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history, is one of my favorite firearms experts.

  • @PureChivalry
    @PureChivalry 4 роки тому +110

    I waited the whole time for them to talk about the 7 barrel beast in the front.... I'll be here when you guys are ready.

    • @livelyupmyself1
      @livelyupmyself1 3 роки тому +6

      Did they talk about the 3D printed one? Too lazy to watch and be disappointed.

  • @daveconleyportfolio5192
    @daveconleyportfolio5192 5 років тому +283

    "Here we have our first example, made by James T. Kirk to defeat a Gorn."

    • @NortonPeabody
      @NortonPeabody 4 роки тому +3

      Brilliant!

    • @dualnamehype
      @dualnamehype 4 роки тому +4

      @@NortonPeabody magnificent

    • @mikearmbruster2171
      @mikearmbruster2171 3 роки тому +1

      There was a naval museum on bremerto that had a 1500s cannon I think from Korea that was bamboo wrapped with rope

  • @jeffumbach
    @jeffumbach 4 роки тому +4

    6:24 brings a whole new meaning to "slam firing". I guess the one before it was a literal "hand cannon" as well.

  • @delta90903
    @delta90903 3 роки тому +5

    this is the absolute best crossover i've ever seen

  • @drmaudio
    @drmaudio 6 років тому +675

    I suspect craft produced weapons will get much better in the coming years.

    • @trailblazer632
      @trailblazer632 6 років тому +66

      They have been up to hand built gun factory quality for a long time. Its just time consuming. There was a documentary on a while back about people in brazil and the Philippines making fully functional collector quality 1911s from scrap steels by hand with no machines involved. All hand work and files. Why go through all that work though if you just need something to send lead down range at a semi accurate yet fast rate of fire?

    • @matthewmudgett7413
      @matthewmudgett7413 6 років тому +47

      They've always been pretty top-notch. Blowback subguns are ridiculously easy to manufacture- so long as you have a magazine to build it around, as they pointed out in the video. Pretty much everyone iterated the same general design over the course of WWII, and more than one belligerent resorted to using dispersed machine shops to increase production.

    • @skm1091
      @skm1091 6 років тому +41

      Machining technology becomes more affordable and user-friendly as the years go by. And metal 3d printing seems to advancing very rapidly. You will probably see full blown copies of full-sized assault/battle rifles in the coming decades.

    • @skm1091
      @skm1091 6 років тому +5

      Btw have you guys read about the r9-arms?
      www.forgottenweapons.com/the-r9-arms-machine-pistol/

    • @brendandor
      @brendandor 6 років тому +20

      CNC 3D milling machines will get cheaper to some extent and then you could mill pretty much any gun you wanted as long as someone has made a 3d model of it. The difficult bit will be getting the correct steel and heat treating it, but with lower powered cartridges its not so difficult.

  • @sebwiers1
    @sebwiers1 6 років тому +247

    How could you post this and NOT discuss that bizarre multi-barrel thing in the foreground? Is it "just" a pepperbox gun with a clumsy handle and trigger?

    • @backyardjungle2562
      @backyardjungle2562 4 роки тому +19

      @cablecow15 Same here. I stayed around just to see that one.

  • @tylerb5764
    @tylerb5764 3 роки тому +61

    Videos like this remind me of how damn easy it is to actually make a working firearm, even a simple one, which is why the laws won't work here in the US

    • @CaptainApathetic
      @CaptainApathetic 3 роки тому +5

      Yep, and in the US making your own firearm is legal as long as it isn't full auto

    • @druidofthefang
      @druidofthefang 2 роки тому

      "laws wont work in US" what do you mean?

    • @daltongarrett7117
      @daltongarrett7117 2 роки тому +3

      @@CaptainApathetic few other nuances but yeah. its nice isnt it? bullshit we can't legally do full auto.

    • @daltongarrett7117
      @daltongarrett7117 2 роки тому +6

      @@druidofthefang the extremely draconian English laws regarding firearms would be unenforceable in the United States. we would have civil war 2 with a bunch of previously in circulation guns and new homemade machine guns.

    • @druidofthefang
      @druidofthefang 2 роки тому +6

      @@daltongarrett7117 it's just as easy to make guns anywhere, even with more strict laws than america. that doesn't explain why laws do not work in america.

  • @_Lobster_
    @_Lobster_ 2 роки тому +1

    The collab we all needed

  • @RedLegs13B.
    @RedLegs13B. 5 років тому +69

    That Sten type smg he said was called "Avenger" is remarkable! The workmanship is pretty good, for what it is I must say. Whoever came up with that was quite crafty. And to think, that one was a part of some underground workshop/black market arms shop. There's probably more of that copy floating around.

    • @theforlanjoker4457
      @theforlanjoker4457 3 роки тому +2

      Many stashs the old boys put away just in case.

    • @murphy7801
      @murphy7801 3 роки тому +1

      @@theforlanjoker4457 gonna be interesting in few decades when people die and find bunch guns in there loft / cellar etc

    • @theforlanjoker4457
      @theforlanjoker4457 3 роки тому +1

      @@murphy7801 what’s grandpa got in his loft ? “ ow “

  • @codyamann12345
    @codyamann12345 4 роки тому +353

    "Everytime there was a conflict that the British military was involved in, they'd bring back interesting stuff"
    I didn't realize this was a video on the British Royal Museum

    • @MrCh0o
      @MrCh0o 3 роки тому +30

      Brits are secretly Blood Ravens

    • @AmbeamTM
      @AmbeamTM 3 роки тому +18

      * royal armouries in leeds. It has all the weapons from antiquity collected from around the world. Well worth a visit if you want to check out some genuine elephant armour.

    • @enderjed2523
      @enderjed2523 3 роки тому +1

      @@MrCh0o I mean, just look at our museums.

    • @ezragoldberg3132
      @ezragoldberg3132 3 роки тому

      Sick Burn :D

    • @urmum3773
      @urmum3773 Рік тому +1

      Sore losers

  • @jaystockman7087
    @jaystockman7087 3 роки тому +5

    I love crude firearms. It absolutely amazes me what people can come up with.

  • @Svveet69
    @Svveet69 3 роки тому +4

    I would like to see more episodes on home made or improvised weapons from around the world. They are much more common then you would think and very interesting.

  • @Furri1bia
    @Furri1bia 6 років тому +459

    I swear I fired some of these guns in Fallout.

    • @christopherconard2831
      @christopherconard2831 6 років тому +63

      Furri1bia I have pile of cans, a Zippo lighter, and a shrub. Let me scrap them, and I'll make it a SMG.

    • @kaic-m2865
      @kaic-m2865 5 років тому +4

      Furri1bia pretty sure there are more now that 76 is out

    • @t.w3280
      @t.w3280 5 років тому +9

      One of them does look like the deliverer from fallout 4

    • @adkviking69shofner98
      @adkviking69shofner98 5 років тому

      Lmao

    • @daddy8884
      @daddy8884 5 років тому +4

      Kai C-M You mean Fallout seventy shit?

  • @Lipi19821
    @Lipi19821 5 років тому +130

    I converted gas revolver for shooting flares into 22lr when i was 14 years old...by drilling the barrel , revolver cylinder and changing the striking hammer to strike closser to the rim...
    No real tools..no vice no press drill...just an electric hand dril and my hands...got some bloodie blisters...lol

    • @coryindahus7319
      @coryindahus7319 5 років тому +16

      My grandfather made a revolver in woodworking class too

    • @arianaxdr7399
      @arianaxdr7399 4 роки тому +2

      Nice hahah

    • @demidemise-uz2ne
      @demidemise-uz2ne 3 роки тому +9

      I made a pipe rifle in .22LR last week, it's single shot, but I want to improve upon it and make it a legitimate design for an actual rifle, though I have a very limited amount of tools

    • @whatsup5914
      @whatsup5914 3 роки тому +2

      @@demidemise-uz2ne made a simple 410 shotgun from homedepot parts in 15 mins (most of it spent on sharpening the firing pin made from a threaded piece of metal rod)

    • @milkapeismilky5464
      @milkapeismilky5464 3 роки тому +18

      100% American posts.

  • @thedocto3602
    @thedocto3602 2 роки тому

    Seeing you and John together in the same room is awesome

  • @FoxMacLeod2501
    @FoxMacLeod2501 2 роки тому

    I particularly enjoyed this. And I already particularly enjoy Ian's videos.

  • @Cypress_Stoned
    @Cypress_Stoned 6 років тому +286

    I like how uneasy the felt when talking about the public and firearms.

    • @anderty4088
      @anderty4088 4 роки тому +23

      Because Europe is not USA. It's drastically huge difference of firearm culture and general sense on violence veneration in overdeveloped countries and underdeveloped ones. Not to pry or sound like elitist or something - it's just so much things to wrap up, but in very short term - yes, welfare of common citizen directly relates to violence level and everything tied to it.

    • @vchslv13
      @vchslv13 4 роки тому +85

      I'd better not make any assumptions about Europe entirely. Czech Republic has quite a liberal firearms laws and it's intentional homicide rate is twice less than in UK, so it's really just UK's troubles with civil liberties.

    • @owenblount7334
      @owenblount7334 4 роки тому +36

      ​@toeff7852 The armament of the common man is not protected to be protected by the last man alone, it is meant to be protected by the armed populace as a whole by way of militia. As outlined in the second amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" the rights of the people can only be protected properly through the unrestricted access to armament and the coalition of the armed populace to protect their rights.

    • @dawsontomar7558
      @dawsontomar7558 3 роки тому +12

      @toeff7852 if you remember or even study you would know a lot of white guys died to fight against slavery and that people who were slave owner's were democrats.

    • @detroitvseverybody3813
      @detroitvseverybody3813 3 роки тому +11

      @toeff7852 You need to study up on your English skills.

  • @jameskoch9567
    @jameskoch9567 4 роки тому +149

    He keeps uncomfortably holding that gun because he's forgotten which Ian is his one and he's worried they'll coordinate.

    • @stonksfromcs1224
      @stonksfromcs1224 3 роки тому +1

      thanks for making my day, this is a really funny comment. i bursted out laughing when i noticed they look nearly the same after reading your comment.

  • @maotisjan
    @maotisjan Рік тому +1

    Very educational but it's also nice to see people interested in the same thing exchanging information

  • @ringsidejudge4302
    @ringsidejudge4302 3 роки тому +1

    11.14 Even if they did not have that many guns to fit them to , might be a bit of an understatement , considering that one of the factories raided by security forces captured component parts for 800 . The factory was operating for 20 years.

  • @taistelutomaatti
    @taistelutomaatti 6 років тому +105

    "We'll get back to this shortly"
    And you didn't. :(

  • @achuu7917
    @achuu7917 4 роки тому +142

    “Someone here will betray me tonight”

  • @samham2843
    @samham2843 2 роки тому +1

    The collab that no one asked for but we all needed

  • @achtunger5528
    @achtunger5528 3 роки тому +11

    No one knows, but the Eoka pistol is the most powerful weapon, dealing 180 damage. It should probably be used in the military.

  • @metabaron90
    @metabaron90 6 років тому +247

    Nick from ARES needs to work on his Three Musketeers facial hair game

    • @2cups499
      @2cups499 6 років тому +4

      metabaron Yeah with hair like that he could be the bad guy.

    • @ostiariusalpha
      @ostiariusalpha 6 років тому +3

      He's Porthos.

    • @user-zz6ks9gw7i
      @user-zz6ks9gw7i 6 років тому +3

      And his manners.

    • @davecSFD
      @davecSFD 5 років тому +2

      Dude looks high af

  • @briankelly8297
    @briankelly8297 6 років тому +77

    The loyalists manufactured their machine guns in the Belfast ship yards.

  • @fckgooogle1000x
    @fckgooogle1000x 3 роки тому +5

    Firearms expert and Gun Jesus collaboration, very nice

  • @aethelyfel7573
    @aethelyfel7573 4 роки тому +3

    There is little else more beautiful than the ingenuity of shoddy improvised weapons.

  • @johannesdolch
    @johannesdolch 5 років тому +14

    One of the remarkable things is that this "Slam Shotgun" is probably very effective as long as the metal is somewhat strong. Sure it's only one shot but if you get close one Buckshot is really all you need.

    • @nickelakon5369
      @nickelakon5369 Рік тому

      Essentially the principle behind the liberator. You use it to kill an enemy and take their proper gun. It doesn't need to be good or effective, it just needs someone with the wits and guts and to use it.

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 6 років тому +4

    Yet another video that feels like it was filmed especially for me. Brilliant Ian!

  • @tylerodonnnell6821
    @tylerodonnnell6821 3 роки тому +3

    The crossover I never knew i needed

  • @milkapeismilky5464
    @milkapeismilky5464 3 роки тому +6

    *cuts to footage of Ian and Jonathan headbanging to Bulls on Parade, Nic hides under table.

  • @ultramarina4401
    @ultramarina4401 6 років тому +20

    Nice talking round.
    I really love that format and maybe you can make some more.

  • @mwam1985
    @mwam1985 6 років тому +397

    “The troubles in Northern Ireland “... So British.

    • @elkpants1280
      @elkpants1280 6 років тому +106

      That actually is what it is known as over there.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge 6 років тому +78

      Sounds much nicer than 'Civil War' or 'Invasion by citizens of a Forign Country'.

    • @phoenixrising4573
      @phoenixrising4573 6 років тому +43

      MsBowhunter95 in any place outside of Ireland and the UK, it's called the troubles, and always has been. For Americans especially, it's not a knock on the political situation, it's simply what it's called.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge 6 років тому +20

      No it's called the Troubles, nice and sanitized.

    • @marlonbrando2328
      @marlonbrando2328 6 років тому +92

      Exactly. The term "the troubles" was coined by the British and then used by Irish media after that. A nice way of putting: The unlawful occupation of another country and murder of their people by "Great" Britain.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 3 роки тому

    Thank you , Ian .

  • @benj9372
    @benj9372 3 роки тому

    Really good video. Thanks

  • @espositogregory
    @espositogregory 4 роки тому +30

    Oddly enough: every deadly weapon can be less-than-lethal, just as every less-than-lethal can become deadly; if you suck enough at using them.

  • @redstickrant
    @redstickrant 6 років тому +25

    “Improvised” or “craft-built” is SO yesterday. They’re “artisanal.” Please make a note of it. :)

  • @kevintimmer2219
    @kevintimmer2219 3 роки тому +11

    i am a magican, i can turn that eoka in an AK in some simple steps!

  • @mayandecendent31
    @mayandecendent31 3 роки тому

    Such originality in weapon and hair design

  • @Greger88
    @Greger88 6 років тому +78

    Really interesting video but I'm kind of disappointed to see hear "we'll get to that later" and then not show them (the plastic handle and the "pipe with 2 handles") because I would love to hear more about them.

    • @clevermcgenericname891
      @clevermcgenericname891 6 років тому +4

      Tomas Gregertsson the plastic things is a 3D printed single shot pistol. Program is available online, if your inclined.

  • @bplup6419
    @bplup6419 5 років тому +193

    "Which would not be legal to do in the UK."
    Isn't that everything?

    • @trisjack82
      @trisjack82 5 років тому +1

      BP Lup visit and find out

    • @andljoy
      @andljoy 5 років тому +41

      A man was genuinly charged for being armed witha potato peeler in the Uk.

    • @hexoslaya3696
      @hexoslaya3696 5 років тому +1

      Andrew Joy proof or bs

    • @Mr-Ad-196
      @Mr-Ad-196 5 років тому +4

      @@andljoy really?

    • @sethlance8009
      @sethlance8009 5 років тому +1

      @@andljoy I believe it it's getting insane now. But at least they are buying wepons from the USA now LOL

  • @MustertheBrohirrim
    @MustertheBrohirrim 2 роки тому

    This is some quality content right here. I could watch these guys go over every class of weapon. Is there the, "Best gun collection of the Eastern Hemisphere?

  • @robertdavis7453
    @robertdavis7453 2 роки тому

    I converted a Zoraki 925 ( Turkish made as they mentioned )
    Its kick ass, it doesn't shoot conventional ammo but I'm happy with a 6mm at over 1,200 fps. And it cycles without a flaw.

  • @Madbot_
    @Madbot_ 6 років тому +448

    they will always find a way to make a gun

    • @c.g.b.spender294
      @c.g.b.spender294 6 років тому +117

      madgod 117 clearly we need to ban metalwork knowledge, firearms expertise, metalworking tools and potentially introduce mandatory license to use hands for whatever reason.

    • @Madbot_
      @Madbot_ 6 років тому +46

      I bet someone can make the stick with a 20 mm cartridge and some wire "gun" with there feet.

    • @kahe4237
      @kahe4237 6 років тому +6

      C.G.B. Spender In Finland we are so lawful citizens, we would probably do that.

    • @andrewince8824
      @andrewince8824 6 років тому +9

      But most won't because they don't have the skills or access to ammo/powder.

    • @gullreefclub
      @gullreefclub 6 років тому +21

      I can see it now a Hacksaw blade registry list

  • @gertjanmoens4188
    @gertjanmoens4188 6 років тому +94

    bic-lock firearm, nice.

    • @DH-xw6jp
      @DH-xw6jp 4 роки тому +1

      Super late reply. But do you think that smashing up a long necked bbq lighter and electric tapping the sparker wires to the flash hole (with the pyro crystal and clicker in the grip) would make for a more reliable ignition? It should work almost like an electrical primer.

  • @alexanderryan-jones600
    @alexanderryan-jones600 2 роки тому +2

    Dude! It's the two Gun-Gods of UA-cam!

  • @Saintbow
    @Saintbow 3 роки тому

    In the 1986 movie "Running Scared", There is a scene where two muggers try to mug the main characters. One of the muggers has one of those hand carved, made in the basement from plumbing supplies pop gun. It's funny to see as it's only a .22 and has one shot to it and the main characters look at it with the "bruh" expression.

  • @tedarcher9120
    @tedarcher9120 6 років тому +270

    Wow, two gun Jesi!

    • @ollilehtonen6351
      @ollilehtonen6351 6 років тому +38

      Ted Archer I've never seen the word "jesus" in plural before.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 6 років тому +17

      olli lehtonen oh, i've seen a lot. There is still debate, is is Jesuses or Jesi.

    • @MichaelBerthelsen
      @MichaelBerthelsen 6 років тому +6

      Ted Archer Obviously Jesi! We're naturally going by traditional rather than modern pluralization.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 6 років тому +1

      Michael Berthelsen yeah, i totally agree

    • @somberflight
      @somberflight 6 років тому +2

      a stellaris jesus nation! :o i know the race name now.

  • @MesCaLiN21
    @MesCaLiN21 4 роки тому +15

    6:06 You can use the barrel part as a melee tonfa. Simple but deadly design.

    • @kevinwestermann1001
      @kevinwestermann1001 4 роки тому

      Didn't know there were any /ranged/ versions of the tonfa, though. :P

    • @MesCaLiN21
      @MesCaLiN21 4 роки тому

      @@kevinwestermann1001
      www.jiunan.com.tw/en/defense/t3.html
      You can shoot non lethal rounds like rubber balls, pepper balls or paint balls.
      A tonfa looks like a gun so why not using it as a gun? :D

  • @CharlieWinterTV
    @CharlieWinterTV 3 роки тому

    I'm here after Jonathan Ferguson videos about weapons from games blew up and I'm feeling like I traveled back in time.

  • @joshplays4fun103
    @joshplays4fun103 2 роки тому +1

    If handcrafted guns are this popular I swear you guys would love come to Brazil 🤣🤣🤣

  • @toolthoughts
    @toolthoughts 6 років тому +33

    Nice to see research done into this subject. There are a couple image blogs (homemadeguns on wordpress is one from the top of my head) and at least one public forum dedicated to the "art".

  • @abe881
    @abe881 4 роки тому +14

    Without the guns on the table the start would look like a mirror image

  • @asbdhusahdhauhudas
    @asbdhusahdhauhudas Рік тому

    thank you for showing me how

  • @ihatedumbppl1826
    @ihatedumbppl1826 4 роки тому

    This is an amazing video

  • @andrewsuryali8540
    @andrewsuryali8540 6 років тому +106

    Wait! What about the polymer gun and that weird thingy on the foreground with the fat short barrel?

    • @CaptainGrief66
      @CaptainGrief66 6 років тому +36

      Andrew Suryali
      The polymer gun is a 3D printed single shot (and single use as far as I've seen) pistol, you can find instructions on how to design it for your 3D printer on UA-cam, it's for a protest or something.

    • @whisperchainsaw102
      @whisperchainsaw102 6 років тому +37

      It is called the liberator. Its made to be a modern version of the wwii liberator pistol. There is alot of information about it.

    • @patrikhjorth3291
      @patrikhjorth3291 6 років тому +28

      The "weird thingy in the foreground" looks a lot like a pepperbox style weapon, but I would really have liked to see more of it.

    • @ShadowHunter120
      @ShadowHunter120 6 років тому +1

      koolkitty8989 eoka pistol perhaps?

    • @cvrnagevr
      @cvrnagevr 6 років тому

      Very crappy homemade pistol. Used some type of wire to connect a 20MM shell to the grip. So basically, it's a muzzleloader type gun that used a 20MM shell as the barrel.

  • @EmpPeng2k7
    @EmpPeng2k7 6 років тому +23

    Thank you to Royal Armouries and ARES

    • @Bushcraft-xz6xd
      @Bushcraft-xz6xd 5 років тому +1

      Just Headdie Why thank them, for what? Us joe Smoes cant see them except a few behind thick glass? If guns are so bad and no one can own them why collect them in a country that has made them all illegal.....just melt them down or give them all to America where free people can handle them or fire them if possible? The only person here deserving of thanks is Ian, taking his time to wade through bureaucracy to show us forbidden guns up close and in depth. These fellow Brits would keep the collection to themselves or the rich and powerful at all costs.

  • @Si74l0rd
    @Si74l0rd 3 роки тому +3

    Ian, did they happen to mention whether the silver sub machine gun was a genuine Luty? As in one of those confiscated from Luty, as opposed to a Luty design, which it clearly is. It looks like a very cleanly constructed model, and his craft work was above and beyond that of most people.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  3 роки тому +11

      It is the specific gun Luty was convicted over.

    • @Si74l0rd
      @Si74l0rd 3 роки тому

      @@ForgottenWeapons Many thanks for the swift response. While I admire his stance, I don't have his balls, or machining skill. Still, it's interesting to see just what one man can do in his home workshop. If not for the fact they caught him test firing a new pattern at his secret range, he wouldn't have been convicted. Such a shame he died in his prime, though being convicted for terrorist offences he'd have been stuck in a hole and forgotten, and died inside, anyway.
      A fascinating video. Interesting to see just how much range there is in skill levels when it comes to construction, but they are nonetheless all functional firearms, to one degree or another. It's a shame we don't have all the zip guns and improvised weapons from the 70's and 80's gang wars in New York and other inner city areas, in the Royal Armoury collection. There was a huge amount of innovation, from such incredibly common materials, such as car aerials as barrels and house keys as hammers. I'm always fascinated by the ability we as humans have to improvise and create tools to assist us in the most adverse circumstances.

  • @Gloin79
    @Gloin79 3 роки тому

    How did they get ammo though to work in those magazines?

  • @perciusmandate
    @perciusmandate 4 роки тому +143

    Wow that guy in the middle was tiptoeing around the topic so hard you'd think he was in a minefield. Why even be on the video if half your contribution amounts to, "Ooooh, the MoD wouldn't want me to talk about this!"

    • @pauldavies7786
      @pauldavies7786 4 роки тому +56

      Got to remember the UK is probably the farthest thing from free you can get arrested for damn near anything

    • @kirbyjoe7484
      @kirbyjoe7484 4 роки тому +31

      @@pauldavies7786 If you look at the rankings of country by relative freedom the same can be said of the USA. We sit at a considerably worse spot on the list than Great Britain does aka we have less personal freedoms and rights than they do. The USA has an aggregate freedom score of 86 vs Great Britain's 94. Both are still considered free countries but the USA is rapidly creeping towards not being one anymore at a faster rate than the UK. I have lived in both countries, the USA is the only one of those two where I have actively feared the cops as much or more than the criminals. I have only had a gun shoved in my face twice in my life, both in the USA, once by a tweaker and once by a psychotic cop who kicked the door in after I called 911 for an ambulance for my friend having a seizure on the floor. Our country is no where near as "free" as they claim it is. We actually rank pretty badly vs most of western first world. We have the highest percentage of our own people in prison of any country on the planet both present and past. This includes shit holes like North Korea. Think about that for a moment. Open your eyes and look around. We are losing our freedoms at an alarming rate.
      Edit: By the way, before I get some idiot ranting to me about the importance of the 2nd amendment I have said all of this as a gun rights supporter or rather a supporter of all personal freedoms even those like the 2nd that come with a cost in blood.

    • @pauldavies7786
      @pauldavies7786 4 роки тому +16

      @@kirbyjoe7484 well I'm not going to rant but you may want to look past your aggregate scoring and check the news out sometime for the UK don't care what the score is they're much further on down that rabbit hole then most realize and yes I know the USA is following close behind the difference is when worst comes to worst US Citizens can actually defend themselves against our own military and government where as if they want to take their freedoms in the UK they're not going to have any opposition is the majority of the population have become sheep and content with whatever the government wants to do

    • @peanutdust1053
      @peanutdust1053 4 роки тому +17

      All our countries are in trouble, communist ideals are coming..I always thought it was a joke, but it's true.

    • @pauldavies7786
      @pauldavies7786 4 роки тому +5

      @@peanutdust1053 yep most sheeple won't even see it till the time for a revolution has began

  • @thelonewanderer6762
    @thelonewanderer6762 6 років тому +89

    I saw the pistol in the thumbnail in a firearms history book

    • @johnm3907
      @johnm3907 6 років тому +3

      Same here. 2 pages near the end about home made guns

    • @jbed6
      @jbed6 5 років тому +2

      That Weird Fox Guy
      Or raiding someone's trap base

    • @sepl0498
      @sepl0498 5 років тому

      same here aswell

    • @thoughtengine
      @thoughtengine 5 років тому

      Dorling-Kindersley's Gun: A Visual History?

    • @suro5038
      @suro5038 4 роки тому

      @@johnm3907 aye same book

  • @donovansingleton9096
    @donovansingleton9096 2 роки тому +1

    I wanna see this crossover more often

  • @alexm566
    @alexm566 2 роки тому

    6:15 how they getting the ammo? smuggled or they make it too?