Adnan bahi we are grateful and thankful to you for exposing this cult , this was the need of the time.Almightly Allah gave u both a chance to free the suffering humanity in shackles and fetters of Qadyanat slavery.
Many quotations from Mirza Ghulam's books have been given by Imtiaz Sahib and Adnan Sahib! I hope, my Qadiani brothers check them and throw away Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and come to Islam! May Allah give Hidayath to Qadiani brothers.
Whatever mr Adnan & Mr Imtiaz saying about the Ahmadiyya Jamaat is totally wrong & false thus misleading & misguiding general Muslim ummah Don’t believe them instead you yourself find out , study. Research what actually Jamaat principles teaching & beliefs are
@@songoodivehi7896I mean brother there’s only two things we differ on,fate of Isa A.S and Finality of Prophethood,and perhaps the identity of the Messiah and Mahdi,Lets not divide into sects and follow Quran and Sunnah
@@nuzhathriaz7948 You please tell whether quotations from Mirza Ghulam Qadiani given by Imtiaz are correct or not. I have watched all the videos in the Dialogue With Imtiaz channel and read the comments under them. No Qadiani was seen disputing the quotes. That means, Mirza Ghulam was a villain to have written those things.
@@waleedmalik785 No Sir. Qadiyanism is not a sect of Islam. It is another religion altogether - in fact, a cult. My father was a Qadiani, who tried to convert me, more than 40 years ago. I asked for the books if Mirza Ghulam. He told me they were in Urdu. (Urdu is not spoken in our part of India.) I told him, still to provide them. I would lern Urdu. But he didn't give me any. I read books in English, given to me. After retirement, I am learning more about Qadiyanism. On hearing the quotations from Mirza Ghulam, cited by Imtiaz Sahib, I am really outraged. I didn't realise, Mr Mirza Ghulam was this much a villain!
Masha'ALLAH Keep spreading the light of truth and exposing this cult of mirza, May Almighty give you more and more success here and in the world after,Ameen
Some Qadiani gentlemen post comments saying that what Imtiaz Sahib and Adnan Sahib are saying, are wrong. But they don't point out what is wrong. Imtiaz Sahib is quoting Mirza Ghulam Qadiani Sahib over and over. None of the Qadiyanis say the quotations are not correct!
@@Captain_jack-t7m We know how Ahmadi Answers "answer everything"! Brother it is high time you stopped this hide and seek. Acknowledge who actually was this Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
Salute to Ustaad Adnan and Imtiaz Bhai... You are doing great job. May Allah reward for your dedication. Just a request, please don't call them "Ahmadi" they must be called as "Qadianis".... Ahmad is beautiful name and associated to Last and final messenger/servant of Allah. Jazak Allah Khair
Mash'Allah brother's Allah Paak bless you both with good health. Keep doing this brilliant work. In Shaa Allah, you're like a cancer to this cult. You're work has started started to get into their roots. Keep up the good work
@khalidbinwalid- Quote- If, in reply to our challenge, Maulavi Ludhianavi presents the argument that he is quoting Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, he should first understand the context and background of that writing. Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad was writing that the name ‘Muhammad’ embodies the attributes of all prophets, and all qualities [of excellence] were found in him. So, the name ‘Muhammad’ is an attestation of all prophets, whether they appeared before him or after him. This is a completely unrelated topic, which is a part of the faith of every devoted Muslim. This does not mean that whenever you say ‘Muhammad’, in your mind you have the image of Hadrat Musa [Moses], ‘Ćsa [Jesus], or any other prophet. This is exactly what the writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad portrays. This quotation does not mean that whenever Muhammad’s name is recited he thinks of another personage in his mind. This type of thinking is rather shallow, without any attempt to understand the underlying reasoning.
As this booklet was being composed, Ahmadiyyat has already spread to 124 countries.8 The communities in these countries curse this allegation of Maulavi Ludhianavi and make this unequivocal statement that when the Kalimah is recited, Ahmadis are thinking only of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. The quotation of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, that Maulavi Ludhianavi refers to, is taken out of its true spirit and meaning, and even worse, Maulavi Ludhianavi is attributing his wrong interpretation to all Ahmadis, in spite of our protestations to the contrary. Maulavi Ludhianavi has no right to launch the attack on the Ahmadis as he has no knowledge of the unseen. He does not even have knowledge of what is happening in the world; otherwise, he would have considered at least the testimony of a disciple of his own great saint Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi, who is reported to have said in a dream ‘Ashraf ‘Ali Rasulullah’ [i.e. Ashraf ‘Ali is the messenger of Allah]. Moreover, even after waking up from the dream, when he tried to recite Durud Sharif, he started saying: [O Allah, bless our chief, our prophet, and our master, Ashraf ‘Ali]. (see Risalah al- Imdad, p. 34-35, vol. 3, no. 8, Safar, 1336 AH, printed by Imdadul-Matabi‘ Press, Thanah Bhoon) Maulavi Ludhianavi should reflect upon the above narration. It is obvious that in this dream of the disciple the 8 This figure is as of the time the booklet was originally written in Urdu. At the time of this translation, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is firmly established in more than 200 countries. [Publisher]
Kalimah has been altered and it has been quoted by a magazine representing the community of Maulana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. How did this quote escape his notice? Is it now not incumbent on him to repent and leave the Deobandis and join the Barelavi sect? The Barelavis have adopted Maulavi Ludhianavi’s method of attack and declared all Deobandis as disbelievers, due to the irresponsible writings of a single individual. The Barelavis claim that the kalimah of Deobandis is completely different than the Kalimah of the Muslims; when they recite the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, they mean Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. So Maulavi Ludhianavi can claim to be a Muslim only if he joins the Barelavi sect. The mountains of deception Maulavi Ludhianavi has created pertain to the following writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad: The Promised Messiah is the manifestation of the Holy Prophetsaw, who came to this world again for the spread of Islam. Under these circumstances we do not need any new kalimah. Had it been somebody else instead of the Holy Prophetsaw, then a new kalimah would have been required. (Kalimatul-Fasl, p. 158, by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad; Review of Religions, Urdu, March-April 1915, vol. 14, nos. 3-4) The above passage was written in view of the objections of a critic who knew that Ahmadis do not have a separate kalimah. However, he wanted to attack the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s viewpoint as inconsistent. The intention was to
trap Ahmadis by arguing that if the Promised Messiah did not have a separate kalimah, then how could he be called a prophet? On the other hand, if Ahmadis claimed to have a separate kalimah, they would be out of the pale of Islam. Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote the above to defend the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from this web of deceit that Maulavi Ludhianavi tries to use for his own purposes. The reply of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, given by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, is that we have no separate kalimah, and what the maulavis allege has no basis whatsoever. Our Kalimah is [There is none worthy of worship except Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah]. We do not accept the Promised Messiah as an independent prophet separate from the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. Our belief is that if an obedient servant and loyal follower of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is granted the status of a non-law- bearing prophet, he is not required to adopt a new kalimah, as the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw reigns until the Day of Judgement, and cannot be altered. To make this point understandable, the author of Kalimatul-Fasl has explained that the name and the status of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are so magnificent that they encompass not only the earlier era but also the future. Therefore, it is appropriate to say that all previous prophets, such as Hadrat Adamas [Adam], Nuhas [Noah], Ibrahimas [Abraham], Musaas [Moses], and ‘Ćsaas [Jesus], are subordinate to the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, and thus they are included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is equally appropriate to say that if an ummati is bestowed the status of a prophet, he will also be
included in the prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. This argument is not merely a personal opinion; rather, it is based on an established verity. It is unfortunate that these maulavis cannot comprehend this point. The reason why the attestations of the other prophets who appeared before or after Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are included in the name of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is that the Holy Quran has made the authentication of all prophets a part of faith. Islam is the only religion that has made it compulsory for adherents to believe in all prophets of God without exception. Thus, the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is the authenticator and verifier of all other prophets born anytime or anywhere in the world. This is the greatest favour bestowed on the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw by Allah the Almighty. The only difference between Maulavi Ludhianavi and Ahmadis is that he considers only the previous prophets to be authenticated by the name ‘Muhammad’, whereas Ahmadis also include the Imam Mahdi, who appeared according to prophecies and who is assigned the status of a non-law-bearing prophet. One who recites the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw need not recite any other kalimah, since every kalimah is included in the Kalimah of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. There is no need for Muslims, who are also the followers of Hadrat Ibrahimas, Hadrat Musaas, Hadrat ‘Ćsaas , etc. to recite a separate kalimah-i.e. Ibrahim Rasulullah, Musa Rasulullah, ‘Isa Rasulullah-since it is understood to be included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is not necessary for Ahmadis to say Ahmad Rasulullah as a kalimah since it is already included in the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw). Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad has expressed his point in a very wise and scholarly manner. It is regrettable that our opponents raise objections for the sake of objections, without any intent to investigate the truth.- Unquote. Source: alislam.org/library Book : Are Ahmadis NOt TrUE MUSlims? By A.S. Musa
Brothers, I have a question. Is "La ilaha illaallahu Muahammadur Rasululullah (SM) or La ilaha illaallahu Muahammadur Rasulullah (SM) wa Khataman nabiyeen" basic Creed (Kalima) of Muslim. This question has arisen in my mind as you are declaring the peoples out side the fold of islam who reads and declare "La ilaha illaallahu Muahammadur Rasululullah (SM)". In Bangladesh we see that when a person convert to islam he declares "La ilaha illaallahu Muahammadur Rasululullah (SM)" keeping hands on the moulvis. Now, seeing your videos i am dismayed that you people are declaring the people non muslim/disbeliever who declares Kalima Suhada. Please tell me which one of the above of my question is correct.
There are many sufis who say La ilaha Ila Allah everyday. But they also make dua to the dead. This invalidates the Shahada. Similiary , testifying that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is Allah's Messenger means that you believe in whatever he has told us and take it to be truth. The moment you disagree with matters pertaining to belief , then that takes you out of Islam. The prophet has clearly taught us that he is the last prophet. Now to believe in another fake Prophet invalidates this. This is a consensus among scholars that Ahmadis are not Muslim. Its not just the shahada , They go against clear Quran verses and Sahih Hadith
I think the brother has provided an excellent response to your question . I will add a few points. Uttering Shahada enters into the fold of Islam. When you utter the Shahada, you also testify that you will be following him. 1. We have Koranic verses confirming the finality of Muhammad ( SAW) Prophethood. 2. We have more than 40 hadiths from Muhammad ( SAW) explaining Khatm and confirming the finality of the Prophethood. 3. We also have the last sermon of Muhammad (SAW), where he stated his position as the final Prophet. 4. We have the actions of the rightly guided Caliphs against the fake prophets as evidence about the finality of Prophethood If you now believe there is another Prophet, then you will be follower of this new Prophet and not a follower of Muhammad (SAW). So no longer a Muslim. It is stated in Sharah of Al Fiqh Al Akbar, an early text on Islamic creed by Imam Abu Hanifaؒ, that: Claiming prophethood after the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is kufr and the entire ummah has unanimity on it. Sharah Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar, p. 202 Why would we believe in Ilhād and Tahrīf of Mrza when we have clear clarification from Muhammad (SAW) . Ahmedis have a choice, they can be follower of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or the followers of Muhammad ( SAW). Pretending to be both is deceptive. There is also another aspect of Shahada I will post in a separate comment. 4:54:25
As I mentioned there is another aspect of Ahmedi Shahada. According to Mirza Bashir "After the advent of the Promised Messiah, the connotation of the name Muhammad in the kalimah has expanded to include one more prophet [i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad].” Kalimat ul Fasl, p. 158 He further writes: This is because the Promised Messiah and the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ are not two separate beings, as Mirza Sahib has himself said صَارَ وُجُوْدِیْ وُجُوْدَہٗ [my self has become the self of Muhammad ﷺ] and مَنْ فَرَّقَ بَیْنِی وَ بَیْنَ الْمُصْطَفٰی فَمَا عَرَفْنِی وَ مَا رَیٰ [One who considers me distinct from Muhammad ﷺ has neither seen me nor understood me] and this is because Allah had promised that he will depute Prophet Muhmmad ﷺ once again, as is evident from the verse وَاٰخَرِیْنَ مِنْھُمْ . Thus, the Promised Messiah himself is the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, who has returned once again for the propagation of Islam. This is why we do not need a new kalimah. Indeed, if someone other than the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ had come, then that would have necessitated a new kalimah.” Kalimat ul Fasl, p. 158 Here Mirza Bashir has made it clear that when Ahmadis recite this Kalima, they interpret the name “Muhammad” to include Mirza Qadiani. Hence their Kalima interpretation is completely different from that of Muslims
@@KhalidBinWalid-tn9eu Quote- If, in reply to our challenge, Maulavi Ludhianavi presents the argument that he is quoting Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, he should first understand the context and background of that writing. Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad was writing that the name ‘Muhammad’ embodies the attributes of all prophets, and all qualities [of excellence] were found in him. So, the name ‘Muhammad’ is an attestation of all prophets, whether they appeared before him or after him. This is a completely unrelated topic, which is a part of the faith of every devoted Muslim. This does not mean that whenever you say ‘Muhammad’, in your mind you have the image of Hadrat Musa [Moses], ‘Ćsa [Jesus], or any other prophet. This is exactly what the writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad portrays. This quotation does not mean that whenever Muhammad’s name is recited he thinks of another personage in his mind. This type of thinking is rather shallow, without any attempt to understand the underlying reasoning. As this booklet was being composed, Ahmadiyyat has already spread to 124 countries.8 The communities in these countries curse this allegation of Maulavi Ludhianavi and make this unequivocal statement that when the Kalimah is recited, Ahmadis are thinking only of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. The quotation of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, that Maulavi Ludhianavi refers to, is taken out of its true spirit and meaning, and even worse, Maulavi Ludhianavi is attributing his wrong interpretation to all Ahmadis, in spite of our protestations to the contrary. Maulavi Ludhianavi has no right to launch the attack on the Ahmadis as he has no knowledge of the unseen. He does not even have knowledge of what is happening in the world; otherwise, he would have considered at least the testimony of a disciple of his own great saint Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi, who is reported to have said in a dream ‘Ashraf ‘Ali Rasulullah’ [i.e. Ashraf ‘Ali is the messenger of Allah]. Moreover, even after waking up from the dream, when he tried to recite Durud Sharif, he started saying: [O Allah, bless our chief, our prophet, and our master, Ashraf ‘Ali]. (see Risalah al- Imdad, p. 34-35, vol. 3, no. 8, Safar, 1336 AH, printed by Imdadul-Matabi‘ Press, Thanah Bhoon) Maulavi Ludhianavi should reflect upon the above narration. It is obvious that in this dream of the disciple the 8 This figure is as of the time the booklet was originally written in Urdu. At the time of this translation, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is firmly established in more than 200 countries. [Publisher] Kalimah has been altered and it has been quoted by a magazine representing the community of Maulana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. How did this quote escape his notice? Is it now not incumbent on him to repent and leave the Deobandis and join the Barelavi sect? The Barelavis have adopted Maulavi Ludhianavi’s method of attack and declared all Deobandis as disbelievers, due to the irresponsible writings of a single individual. The Barelavis claim that the kalimah of Deobandis is completely different than the Kalimah of the Muslims; when they recite the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, they mean Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. So Maulavi Ludhianavi can claim to be a Muslim only if he joins the Barelavi sect. The mountains of deception Maulavi Ludhianavi has created pertain to the following writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad: The Promised Messiah is the manifestation of the Holy Prophetsaw, who came to this world again for the spread of Islam. Under these circumstances we do not need any new kalimah. Had it been somebody else instead of the Holy Prophetsaw, then a new kalimah would have been required. (Kalimatul-Fasl, p. 158, by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad; Review of Religions, Urdu, March-April 1915, vol. 14, nos. 3-4) The above passage was written in view of the objections of a critic who knew that Ahmadis do not have a separate kalimah. However, he wanted to attack the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s viewpoint as inconsistent. The intention was to trap Ahmadis by arguing that if the Promised Messiah did not have a separate kalimah, then how could he be called a prophet? On the other hand, if Ahmadis claimed to have a separate kalimah, they would be out of the pale of Islam. Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote the above to defend the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from this web of deceit that Maulavi Ludhianavi tries to use for his own purposes. The reply of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, given by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, is that we have no separate kalimah, and what the maulavis allege has no basis whatsoever. Our Kalimah is [There is none worthy of worship except Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah]. We do not accept the Promised Messiah as an independent prophet separate from the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. Our belief is that if an obedient servant and loyal follower of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is granted the status of a non-law- bearing prophet, he is not required to adopt a new kalimah, as the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw reigns until the Day of Judgement, and cannot be altered. To make this point understandable, the author of Kalimatul-Fasl has explained that the name and the status of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are so magnificent that they encompass not only the earlier era but also the future. Therefore, it is appropriate to say that all previous prophets, such as Hadrat Adamas [Adam], Nuhas [Noah], Ibrahimas [Abraham], Musaas [Moses], and ‘Ćsaas [Jesus], are subordinate to the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, and thus they are included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is equally appropriate to say that if an ummati is bestowed the status of a prophet, he will also be included in the prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. This argument is not merely a personal opinion; rather, it is based on an established verity. It is unfortunate that these maulavis cannot comprehend this point. The reason why the attestations of the other prophets who appeared before or after Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are included in the name of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is that the Holy Quran has made the authentication of all prophets a part of faith. Islam is the only religion that has made it compulsory for adherents to believe in all prophets of God without exception. Thus, the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is the authenticator and verifier of all other prophets born anytime or anywhere in the world. This is the greatest favour bestowed on the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw by Allah the Almighty. The only difference between Maulavi Ludhianavi and Ahmadis is that he considers only the previous prophets to be authenticated by the name ‘Muhammad’, whereas Ahmadis also include the Imam Mahdi, who appeared according to prophecies and who is assigned the status of a non-law-bearing prophet. One who recites the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw need not recite any other kalimah, since every kalimah is included in the Kalimah of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. There is no need for Muslims, who are also the followers of Hadrat Ibrahimas, Hadrat Musaas, Hadrat ‘Ćsaas , etc. to recite a separate kalimah-i.e. Ibrahim Rasulullah, Musa Rasulullah, ‘Isa Rasulullah-since it is understood to be included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is not necessary for Ahmadis to say Ahmad Rasulullah as a kalimah since it is already included in the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad has expressed his point in a very wise and scholarly manner. It is regrettable that our opponents raise objections for the sake of objections, without any intent to investigate the truth.- Unquote. Source: alislam.org/library Book : Are Ahmadis Not True Muslims? By A.S. Musa
@@KhalidBinWalid-tn9eu Quote- If, in reply to our challenge, Maulavi Ludhianavi presents the argument that he is quoting Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, he should first understand the context and background of that writing. Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad was writing that the name ‘Muhammad’ embodies the attributes of all prophets, and all qualities [of excellence] were found in him. So, the name ‘Muhammad’ is an attestation of all prophets, whether they appeared before him or after him. This is a completely unrelated topic, which is a part of the faith of every devoted Muslim. This does not mean that whenever you say ‘Muhammad’, in your mind you have the image of Hadrat Musa [Moses], ‘Ćsa [Jesus], or any other prophet. This is exactly what the writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad portrays. This quotation does not mean that whenever Muhammad’s name is recited he thinks of another personage in his mind. This type of thinking is rather shallow, without any attempt to understand the underlying reasoning. As this booklet was being composed, Ahmadiyyat has already spread to 124 countries.8 The communities in these countries curse this allegation of Maulavi Ludhianavi and make this unequivocal statement that when the Kalimah is recited, Ahmadis are thinking only of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. The quotation of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, that Maulavi Ludhianavi refers to, is taken out of its true spirit and meaning, and even worse, Maulavi Ludhianavi is attributing his wrong interpretation to all Ahmadis, in spite of our protestations to the contrary. Maulavi Ludhianavi has no right to launch the attack on the Ahmadis as he has no knowledge of the unseen. He does not even have knowledge of what is happening in the world; otherwise, he would have considered at least the testimony of a disciple of his own great saint Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi, who is reported to have said in a dream ‘Ashraf ‘Ali Rasulullah’ [i.e. Ashraf ‘Ali is the messenger of Allah]. Moreover, even after waking up from the dream, when he tried to recite Durud Sharif, he started saying: [O Allah, bless our chief, our prophet, and our master, Ashraf ‘Ali]. (see Risalah al- Imdad, p. 34-35, vol. 3, no. 8, Safar, 1336 AH, printed by Imdadul-Matabi‘ Press, Thanah Bhoon) Maulavi Ludhianavi should reflect upon the above narration. It is obvious that in this dream of the disciple the 8 This figure is as of the time the booklet was originally written in Urdu. At the time of this translation, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is firmly established in more than 200 countries. [Publisher] Kalimah has been altered and it has been quoted by a magazine representing the community of Maulana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. How did this quote escape his notice? Is it now not incumbent on him to repent and leave the Deobandis and join the Barelavi sect? The Barelavis have adopted Maulavi Ludhianavi’s method of attack and declared all Deobandis as disbelievers, due to the irresponsible writings of a single individual. The Barelavis claim that the kalimah of Deobandis is completely different than the Kalimah of the Muslims; when they recite the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, they mean Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. So Maulavi Ludhianavi can claim to be a Muslim only if he joins the Barelavi sect. The mountains of deception Maulavi Ludhianavi has created pertain to the following writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad: The Promised Messiah is the manifestation of the Holy Prophetsaw, who came to this world again for the spread of Islam. Under these circumstances we do not need any new kalimah. Had it been somebody else instead of the Holy Prophetsaw, then a new kalimah would have been required. (Kalimatul-Fasl, p. 158, by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad; Review of Religions, Urdu, March-April 1915, vol. 14, nos. 3-4) The above passage was written in view of the objections of a critic who knew that Ahmadis do not have a separate kalimah. However, he wanted to attack the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s viewpoint as inconsistent. The intention was to trap Ahmadis by arguing that if the Promised Messiah did not have a separate kalimah, then how could he be called a prophet? On the other hand, if Ahmadis claimed to have a separate kalimah, they would be out of the pale of Islam. Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote the above to defend the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from this web of deceit that Maulavi Ludhianavi tries to use for his own purposes. The reply of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, given by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, is that we have no separate kalimah, and what the maulavis allege has no basis whatsoever. Our Kalimah is [There is none worthy of worship except Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah]. We do not accept the Promised Messiah as an independent prophet separate from the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. Our belief is that if an obedient servant and loyal follower of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is granted the status of a non-law- bearing prophet, he is not required to adopt a new kalimah, as the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw reigns until the Day of Judgement, and cannot be altered. To make this point understandable, the author of Kalimatul-Fasl has explained that the name and the status of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are so magnificent that they encompass not only the earlier era but also the future. Therefore, it is appropriate to say that all previous prophets, such as Hadrat Adamas [Adam], Nuhas [Noah], Ibrahimas [Abraham], Musaas [Moses], and ‘Ćsaas [Jesus], are subordinate to the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, and thus they are included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is equally appropriate to say that if an ummati is bestowed the status of a prophet, he will also be included in the prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. This argument is not merely a personal opinion; rather, it is based on an established verity. It is unfortunate that these maulavis cannot comprehend this point. The reason why the attestations of the other prophets who appeared before or after Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are included in the name of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is that the Holy Quran has made the authentication of all prophets a part of faith. Islam is the only religion that has made it compulsory for adherents to believe in all prophets of God without exception. Thus, the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is the authenticator and verifier of all other prophets born anytime or anywhere in the world. This is the greatest favour bestowed on the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw by Allah the Almighty. The only difference between Maulavi Ludhianavi and Ahmadis is that he considers only the previous prophets to be authenticated by the name ‘Muhammad’, whereas Ahmadis also include the Imam Mahdi, who appeared according to prophecies and who is assigned the status of a non-law-bearing prophet. One who recites the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw need not recite any other kalimah, since every kalimah is included in the Kalimah of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. There is no need for Muslims, who are also the followers of Hadrat Ibrahimas, Hadrat Musaas, Hadrat ‘Ćsaas , etc. to recite a separate kalimah-i.e. Ibrahim Rasulullah, Musa Rasulullah, ‘Isa Rasulullah-since it is understood to be included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is not necessary for Ahmadis to say Ahmad Rasulullah as a kalimah since it is already included in the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad has expressed his point in a very wise and scholarly manner. It is regrettable that our opponents raise objections for the sake of objections, without any intent to investigate the truth.- Unquote. Source: alislam.org/library Book : Are Ahmadis Not True Muslims? By A.S. Musa
@Mr. Adnan Rashid & Mr. Imteaz, Please read the following verses of the Holy Quran regarding Kgatamun Nubuwwah, Continuation of Blessings, Continuation of Revelation : 2:39, 3:80, 3:82, 3:180, 4:70, 6:125, 7:36, 16:3, 18:57, 20:124, 22:76, 24:56, 33:8, 36:66, 40:16, 40:35, 72:8 For the death of Hazrat Isa (a), please go through the following from the Holy Quran: 2:73, 3:145, 4:158-160, 5:76, 5:117-118, 7:25-26, 23:51 Note: please read bismilla hir rahmanir rahim as the first verse of the above sura.
Brother please bring agakhanis also in this type of dialogues. They claim agakhan to be descendant of hz Ali rz. They are munkir of namaz, roza, haj. Claim that their imams have attained impunity for these faraiz. They are bigger liars and always run away from discussions, if they claim to be muslims like us why they do not allow us in their jamatkhana to see what type namaz they do.
@@m4memuji yes i know, normally i just watch Razi Bhai’s answer stream because its so much less than Adnan sahib and Imtiaz Sahibs’s stream, but I thought why not just watch their stream for once or twice but the ads were so annoying 😭
Ask a child, what is 1+1? The child will answer 2. The bottom line, the default position when a Qadiyani is asked to answer a direct yes or no question, is .... "Did the previous nations make Roti by hand, or did they make Jalebi by machine?"... This is their type of answer to a 'direct' question. 😢
Dear bro....what is the benefit of this topic that qadiani consider rest of muslims Kafir...?...it is already clear that a person who has announced war against Allah can not accept his rejectors as his friend....plz stream on personality of Mirza....
When Eesa Alayhisalaam comes back he will come with Allah's instructions and permission. A prophet never loses his title and will always be a prophet. So what does prophetic mission mean? Eesa Alayhisalaam is coming on a different mission and we can still say he would be on a prophetic mission. No prophet of Allah SWT is dysfunctional. It is a wrong choice of words but to focus on that is devious. Just like the Ahmadis focus on Eesa's AS ascension and Last prophet. We hardly have anything in common so Shaytaan will cause you to be fixated on TWO Points on which we will never agree. This prevents you from wanting to discuss the other differences which may open your heart..And this is how Shaytaan operates. Shaytaan causes you to go into circles and you will create roundabouts galore. Take heed!
Why Qadyani is not using word promise Krishna a.s because Mirza claim to Krishna as well ,, naghzubillah may Allah forgive me for word a s but it's just to correct there aqeda..
Adnan: do not indulge in fruitless discussion that will lead you nowhere. Use your precious Allah given energy for the benefit of the Ummah of our dear Rassool. They are keeping you busy to divert you. If you derive pleasure in scoring over them, it is not a score, it is a nil, stop satisfying your nafs. Discussing with them is giving them importance as it is a discussion with the devil.
This Mirza Ali every time he comes and speaks for a long time and then he says he has to read the complete book or article. This guy should change his name to Jalebi 😡😡😡😡
Azim Butt is saying according to Quran u are not Muslim if u don't believe Mirza,,, where is Mirza in Quran, where is single sign of this mangol, Punjabi, son of charagh bibi and waladul Haram of Murtaza....
Assalaamualaikum Please pl. Muslim brothers its a request for all do not call them Ahmedi ,, ma zallah,, because Ahmed is our Prophet pbuh call him qadiyanis.
I understand y'all are being nice, I will say it for you. Mirza Ali is absolute deceptive filth. I don't speak Urdu but y'all translated and he even speaks Urdu, but was still acting like he had no idea what was written!
Just wanted to say Adnan and Imtiyaz you guys are just hypocrites, you went to MTA and they treated you just right cause you guys have to be put on a leash. Got no manners none so ever. Baat krny ki tameez tou hai nahi. It might be okay for you guys to use such language in your own houses not for us bro
these books where they referring to exists since 140 years. many Dajjals like Muhammad Imtiaz and Adnan Rashid came an tried to finish Ahmadiyya. They went away but Ahmadiyya still exists and incresing daily. Ahmadiyya started with around 40 people and now we are around 40 Millions. Think about that with all the hate and so called refutations Ahmadiyya increased that much and no one can stop us. Because Allah is with us
@@toofan1028 who told you qadyanis are growing??? Even today in the age of internet about 90% of world didn't know about mirza qadyani, how unsuccessful he is bro you can ask christian did they knew him, you can ask Hindus did the knew who are mirza qadyani no they don't know that any such prophet exist, you people only using the name of Muslims and islam otherwise you don't have any identity, how ignorant you are bro.
Fateh is another devious ahmadi when he gets caught with mirza lies and the jammats lies he twists it to answering a question that wasn't asked and doesn't have the balls to answer simple questions all they do is play games, mirza says one thing In his book the jammat says another thing and tge followers say something else
Is sad to say mirza ali is a devious lying ahmadi,he comes on and talks so much rubbish,crystal-clear questions he can't understand and answer,listening to razi the dajjal was bad but this guy surpasses razi in his deviousness,.mirza ali is a total time waster
Dear bro....what is the benefit of this topic that qadiani consider rest of muslims Kafir...?...it is already clear that a person who has announced war against Allah can not accept his rejectors as his friend....plz stream on personality of Mirza....
Adnan bahi we are grateful and thankful to you for exposing this cult , this was the need of the time.Almightly Allah gave u both a chance to free the suffering humanity in shackles and fetters of Qadyanat slavery.
Many quotations from Mirza Ghulam's books have been given by Imtiaz Sahib and Adnan Sahib! I hope, my Qadiani brothers check them and throw away Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and come to Islam! May Allah give Hidayath to Qadiani brothers.
Whatever mr Adnan & Mr Imtiaz saying about the Ahmadiyya Jamaat is totally wrong & false thus misleading & misguiding general Muslim ummah
Don’t believe them instead you yourself find out , study. Research what actually Jamaat principles teaching & beliefs are
@@nuzhathriaz7948That means mirza's books are not worthy to you.
@@songoodivehi7896I mean brother there’s only two things we differ on,fate of Isa A.S and Finality of Prophethood,and perhaps the identity of the Messiah and Mahdi,Lets not divide into sects and follow Quran and Sunnah
@@nuzhathriaz7948 You please tell whether quotations from Mirza Ghulam Qadiani given by Imtiaz are correct or not. I have watched all the videos in the Dialogue With Imtiaz channel and read the comments under them. No Qadiani was seen disputing the quotes. That means, Mirza Ghulam was a villain to have written those things.
@@waleedmalik785 No Sir. Qadiyanism is not a sect of Islam. It is another religion altogether - in fact, a cult.
My father was a Qadiani, who tried to convert me, more than 40 years ago. I asked for the books if Mirza Ghulam. He told me they were in Urdu. (Urdu is not spoken in our part of India.) I told him, still to provide them. I would lern Urdu. But he didn't give me any. I read books in English, given to me.
After retirement, I am learning more about Qadiyanism.
On hearing the quotations from Mirza Ghulam, cited by Imtiaz Sahib, I am really outraged. I didn't realise, Mr Mirza Ghulam was this much a villain!
Masha'ALLAH Keep spreading the light of truth and exposing this cult of mirza, May Almighty give you more and more success here and in the world after,Ameen
The more you look into Mirza's books, the more you actually discover the main message is "Hate for all, Love for none"
no my dear brother ... "hate for all, Love for the (him)SELF"
Some Qadiani gentlemen post comments saying that what Imtiaz Sahib and Adnan Sahib are saying, are wrong. But they don't point out what is wrong. Imtiaz Sahib is quoting Mirza Ghulam Qadiani Sahib over and over. None of the Qadiyanis say the quotations are not correct!
Watch Ahmadianswers streams they answered everything and showed how these hypocrites are misleading you poor souls
@@Captain_jack-t7m We know how Ahmadi Answers "answer everything"! Brother it is high time you stopped this hide and seek. Acknowledge who actually was this Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
I love my prophet, Pbuh, the last prophet of God for all humanity.
Legendary both brothers
Salute to Ustaad Adnan and Imtiaz Bhai... You are doing great job. May Allah reward for your dedication. Just a request, please don't call them "Ahmadi" they must be called as "Qadianis".... Ahmad is beautiful name and associated to Last and final messenger/servant of Allah.
Jazak Allah Khair
Jajkallah Khairan both of you
The 2 lions of knowledge. Ameen
May Allah bless you brothers in Islam ❤Allah is the boss amen ❤
Masha Allah Very good both of you brothers who know the urdu they can understand and expose the ahmedi khadyani like both of you
Keep up the good work bros ❤
Mash'Allah brother's Allah Paak bless you both with good health. Keep doing this brilliant work. In Shaa Allah, you're like a cancer to this cult. You're work has started started to get into their roots. Keep up the good work
♥️ Love ♥️ you ♥️ so ♥️ much ♥️ brother ♥️ Adnan ♥️ and ♥️ brother ♥️ Imteyaz ♥️ may ♥️ Allah ♥️ SWT ♥️ bless ♥️ the ♥️ DawahWise ♥️ team ♥️ Ameen ♥️😊
I think these Qadiyanni's get a kick out of Muslims pleading with them to join Islam. It makes them feel important and wanted..
@khalidbinwalid- Quote- If, in reply to our challenge, Maulavi Ludhianavi presents the argument that he is quoting Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, he should first understand the context and background of that writing.
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad was writing that the name ‘Muhammad’ embodies the attributes of all prophets, and all qualities [of excellence] were found in him. So, the name ‘Muhammad’ is an attestation of all prophets, whether they appeared before him or after him. This is a completely unrelated topic, which is a part of the faith of every devoted Muslim. This does not mean that whenever you say ‘Muhammad’, in your mind you have the image of Hadrat Musa [Moses], ‘Ćsa [Jesus], or any other prophet. This is exactly what the writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad portrays. This quotation does not mean that whenever Muhammad’s name is recited he thinks of another personage in his mind. This type of thinking is rather shallow, without any attempt to understand the underlying reasoning.
As this booklet was being composed, Ahmadiyyat has already spread to 124 countries.8 The communities in these countries curse this allegation of Maulavi Ludhianavi and make this unequivocal statement that when the Kalimah is recited, Ahmadis are thinking only of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. The quotation of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, that Maulavi Ludhianavi refers to, is taken out of its true spirit and meaning, and even worse, Maulavi Ludhianavi is attributing his wrong interpretation to all Ahmadis, in spite of our
protestations to the contrary.
Maulavi Ludhianavi has no right to launch the attack on the Ahmadis as he has no knowledge of the unseen. He does not even have knowledge of what is happening in the world; otherwise, he would have considered at least the testimony of a disciple of his own great saint Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi, who is reported to have said in a dream ‘Ashraf ‘Ali Rasulullah’ [i.e. Ashraf ‘Ali is the messenger of Allah].
Moreover, even after waking up from the dream, when he tried to recite Durud Sharif, he started saying:
[O Allah, bless our chief, our prophet, and our master, Ashraf ‘Ali]. (see Risalah al- Imdad, p. 34-35, vol. 3, no. 8, Safar, 1336 AH, printed by Imdadul-Matabi‘ Press, Thanah Bhoon)
Maulavi Ludhianavi should reflect upon the above narration. It is obvious that in this dream of the disciple the
8 This figure is as of the time the booklet was originally written in Urdu. At the time of this translation, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is firmly established in more than 200 countries. [Publisher]
Kalimah has been altered and it has been quoted by a magazine representing the community of Maulana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. How did this quote escape his notice? Is it now not incumbent on him to repent and leave the Deobandis and join the Barelavi sect? The Barelavis have adopted Maulavi Ludhianavi’s method of attack and declared all Deobandis as disbelievers, due to the irresponsible writings of a single individual. The Barelavis claim that the kalimah of Deobandis is completely different than the Kalimah of the Muslims; when they recite the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, they mean Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. So Maulavi Ludhianavi can
claim to be a Muslim only if he joins the Barelavi sect.
The mountains of deception Maulavi Ludhianavi has created pertain to the following writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad:
The Promised Messiah is the manifestation of the Holy Prophetsaw, who came to this world again for the spread of Islam. Under these circumstances we do not need any new kalimah. Had it been somebody else instead of the Holy Prophetsaw, then a new kalimah would have been required. (Kalimatul-Fasl, p. 158, by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad; Review of Religions, Urdu, March-April 1915, vol. 14, nos. 3-4)
The above passage was written in view of the objections of a critic who knew that Ahmadis do not have a separate kalimah. However, he wanted to attack the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s viewpoint as inconsistent. The intention was to
trap Ahmadis by arguing that if the Promised Messiah did not have a separate kalimah, then how could he be called a prophet? On the other hand, if Ahmadis claimed to have a separate kalimah, they would be out of the pale of Islam.
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote the above to defend the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from this web of deceit that Maulavi Ludhianavi tries to use for his own purposes. The reply of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, given by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, is that we have no separate kalimah, and what the maulavis allege has no basis whatsoever. Our Kalimah
is [There is none worthy of worship except
Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah].
We do not accept the Promised Messiah as an independent prophet separate from the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. Our belief is that if an obedient servant and loyal follower of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is granted the status of a non-law- bearing prophet, he is not required to adopt a new kalimah, as the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw reigns until the Day of Judgement, and cannot be altered.
To make this point understandable, the author of Kalimatul-Fasl has explained that the name and the status of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are so magnificent that they encompass not only the earlier era but also the future. Therefore, it is appropriate to say that all previous prophets, such as Hadrat Adamas [Adam], Nuhas [Noah], Ibrahimas [Abraham], Musaas [Moses], and ‘Ćsaas [Jesus], are subordinate to the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, and thus they are included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is equally appropriate to say that if an ummati is bestowed the status of a prophet, he will also be
included in the prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. This argument is not merely a personal opinion; rather, it is based on an established verity. It is unfortunate that these maulavis cannot comprehend this point.
The reason why the attestations of the other prophets who appeared before or after Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are included in the name of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is that the Holy Quran has made the authentication of all prophets a part of faith. Islam is the only religion that has made it compulsory for adherents to believe in all prophets of God without exception. Thus, the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is the authenticator and verifier of all other prophets born anytime or anywhere in the world. This is the greatest favour bestowed on the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw by Allah the Almighty.
The only difference between Maulavi Ludhianavi and Ahmadis is that he considers only the previous prophets to be authenticated by the name ‘Muhammad’, whereas Ahmadis also include the Imam Mahdi, who appeared according to prophecies and who is assigned the status of a non-law-bearing prophet. One who recites the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw need not recite any other kalimah, since every kalimah is included in the Kalimah of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. There is no need for Muslims, who are also the followers of Hadrat Ibrahimas, Hadrat Musaas, Hadrat ‘Ćsaas , etc. to recite a separate kalimah-i.e. Ibrahim Rasulullah, Musa Rasulullah, ‘Isa Rasulullah-since it is understood to be included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is not necessary for Ahmadis to say Ahmad Rasulullah as a kalimah since it is already included in the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad has expressed his point in a
very wise and scholarly manner. It is regrettable that our opponents raise objections for the sake of objections, without any intent to investigate the truth.- Unquote.
Source: alislam.org/library
Book :
Are Ahmadis NOt TrUE MUSlims?
By A.S. Musa
Brothers,
I have a question.
Is "La ilaha illaallahu Muahammadur Rasululullah (SM) or La ilaha illaallahu Muahammadur Rasulullah (SM) wa Khataman nabiyeen" basic Creed (Kalima) of Muslim. This question has arisen in my mind as you are declaring the peoples out side the fold of islam who reads and declare "La ilaha illaallahu Muahammadur Rasululullah (SM)". In Bangladesh we see that when a person convert to islam he declares "La ilaha illaallahu Muahammadur Rasululullah (SM)" keeping hands on the moulvis. Now, seeing your videos i am dismayed that you people are declaring the people non muslim/disbeliever who declares Kalima Suhada. Please tell me which one of the above of my question is correct.
There are many sufis who say La ilaha Ila Allah everyday. But they also make dua to the dead. This invalidates the Shahada.
Similiary , testifying that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is Allah's Messenger means that you believe in whatever he has told us and take it to be truth. The moment you disagree with matters pertaining to belief , then that takes you out of Islam.
The prophet has clearly taught us that he is the last prophet. Now to believe in another fake Prophet invalidates this.
This is a consensus among scholars that Ahmadis are not Muslim. Its not just the shahada , They go against clear Quran verses and Sahih Hadith
I think the brother has provided an excellent response to your question . I will add a few points. Uttering Shahada enters into the fold of Islam. When you utter the Shahada, you also testify that you will be following him.
1. We have Koranic verses confirming the finality of Muhammad ( SAW) Prophethood.
2. We have more than 40 hadiths from Muhammad ( SAW) explaining Khatm and confirming the finality of the Prophethood.
3. We also have the last sermon of Muhammad (SAW), where he stated his position as the final Prophet.
4. We have the actions of the rightly guided Caliphs against the fake prophets as evidence about the finality of Prophethood
If you now believe there is another Prophet, then you will be follower of this new Prophet and not a follower of Muhammad (SAW). So no longer a Muslim.
It is stated in Sharah of Al Fiqh Al Akbar, an early text on Islamic creed by Imam Abu Hanifaؒ, that:
Claiming prophethood after the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is kufr and the entire ummah has unanimity on it. Sharah Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar, p. 202
Why would we believe in Ilhād and Tahrīf of Mrza when we have clear clarification from Muhammad (SAW) .
Ahmedis have a choice, they can be follower of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or the followers of Muhammad ( SAW). Pretending to be both is deceptive.
There is also another aspect of Shahada I will post in a separate comment. 4:54:25
As I mentioned there is another aspect of Ahmedi Shahada. According to Mirza Bashir "After the advent of the Promised Messiah, the connotation of the name Muhammad in the kalimah has expanded to include one more prophet [i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad].”
Kalimat ul Fasl, p. 158
He further writes:
This is because the Promised Messiah and the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ are not two separate beings, as Mirza Sahib has himself said صَارَ وُجُوْدِیْ وُجُوْدَہٗ [my self has become the self of Muhammad ﷺ] and مَنْ فَرَّقَ بَیْنِی وَ بَیْنَ الْمُصْطَفٰی فَمَا عَرَفْنِی وَ مَا رَیٰ [One who considers me distinct from Muhammad ﷺ has neither seen me nor understood me] and this is because Allah had promised that he will depute Prophet Muhmmad ﷺ once again, as is evident from the verse وَاٰخَرِیْنَ مِنْھُمْ . Thus, the Promised Messiah himself is the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, who has returned once again for the propagation of Islam. This is why we do not need a new kalimah. Indeed, if someone other than the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ had come, then that would have necessitated a new kalimah.”
Kalimat ul Fasl, p. 158
Here Mirza Bashir has made it clear that when Ahmadis recite this Kalima, they interpret the name “Muhammad” to include Mirza Qadiani. Hence their Kalima interpretation is completely different from that of Muslims
@@KhalidBinWalid-tn9eu Quote- If, in reply to our challenge, Maulavi Ludhianavi presents the argument that he is quoting Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, he should first understand the context and background of that writing.
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad was writing that the name ‘Muhammad’ embodies the attributes of all prophets, and all qualities [of excellence] were found in him. So, the name ‘Muhammad’ is an attestation of all prophets, whether they appeared before him or after him. This is a completely unrelated topic, which is a part of the faith of every devoted Muslim. This does not mean that whenever you say ‘Muhammad’, in your mind you have the image of Hadrat Musa [Moses], ‘Ćsa [Jesus], or any other prophet. This is exactly what the writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad portrays. This quotation does not mean that whenever Muhammad’s name is recited he thinks of another personage in his mind. This type of thinking is rather shallow, without any attempt to understand the underlying reasoning.
As this booklet was being composed, Ahmadiyyat has already spread to 124 countries.8 The communities in these countries curse this allegation of Maulavi Ludhianavi and make this unequivocal statement that when the Kalimah is recited, Ahmadis are thinking only of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. The quotation of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, that Maulavi Ludhianavi refers to, is taken out of its true spirit and meaning, and even worse, Maulavi Ludhianavi is attributing his wrong interpretation to all Ahmadis, in spite of our
protestations to the contrary.
Maulavi Ludhianavi has no right to launch the attack on the Ahmadis as he has no knowledge of the unseen. He does not even have knowledge of what is happening in the world; otherwise, he would have considered at least the testimony of a disciple of his own great saint Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi, who is reported to have said in a dream ‘Ashraf ‘Ali Rasulullah’ [i.e. Ashraf ‘Ali is the messenger of Allah].
Moreover, even after waking up from the dream, when he tried to recite Durud Sharif, he started saying:
[O Allah, bless our chief, our prophet, and our master, Ashraf ‘Ali]. (see Risalah al- Imdad, p. 34-35, vol. 3, no. 8, Safar, 1336 AH, printed by Imdadul-Matabi‘ Press, Thanah Bhoon)
Maulavi Ludhianavi should reflect upon the above narration. It is obvious that in this dream of the disciple the
8 This figure is as of the time the booklet was originally written in Urdu. At the time of this translation, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is firmly established in more than 200 countries. [Publisher]
Kalimah has been altered and it has been quoted by a magazine representing the community of Maulana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. How did this quote escape his notice? Is it now not incumbent on him to repent and leave the Deobandis and join the Barelavi sect? The Barelavis have adopted Maulavi Ludhianavi’s method of attack and declared all Deobandis as disbelievers, due to the irresponsible writings of a single individual. The Barelavis claim that the kalimah of Deobandis is completely different than the Kalimah of the Muslims; when they recite the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, they mean Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. So Maulavi Ludhianavi can
claim to be a Muslim only if he joins the Barelavi sect.
The mountains of deception Maulavi Ludhianavi has created pertain to the following writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad:
The Promised Messiah is the manifestation of the Holy Prophetsaw, who came to this world again for the spread of Islam. Under these circumstances we do not need any new kalimah. Had it been somebody else instead of the Holy Prophetsaw, then a new kalimah would have been required. (Kalimatul-Fasl, p. 158, by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad; Review of Religions, Urdu, March-April 1915, vol. 14, nos. 3-4)
The above passage was written in view of the objections of a critic who knew that Ahmadis do not have a separate kalimah. However, he wanted to attack the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s viewpoint as inconsistent. The intention was to
trap Ahmadis by arguing that if the Promised Messiah did not have a separate kalimah, then how could he be called a prophet? On the other hand, if Ahmadis claimed to have a separate kalimah, they would be out of the pale of Islam.
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote the above to defend the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from this web of deceit that Maulavi Ludhianavi tries to use for his own purposes. The reply of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, given by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, is that we have no separate kalimah, and what the maulavis allege has no basis whatsoever. Our Kalimah
is [There is none worthy of worship except
Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah].
We do not accept the Promised Messiah as an independent prophet separate from the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. Our belief is that if an obedient servant and loyal follower of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is granted the status of a non-law- bearing prophet, he is not required to adopt a new kalimah, as the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw reigns until the Day of Judgement, and cannot be altered.
To make this point understandable, the author of Kalimatul-Fasl has explained that the name and the status of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are so magnificent that they encompass not only the earlier era but also the future. Therefore, it is appropriate to say that all previous prophets, such as Hadrat Adamas [Adam], Nuhas [Noah], Ibrahimas [Abraham], Musaas [Moses], and ‘Ćsaas [Jesus], are subordinate to the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, and thus they are included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is equally appropriate to say that if an ummati is bestowed the status of a prophet, he will also be
included in the prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. This argument is not merely a personal opinion; rather, it is based on an established verity. It is unfortunate that these maulavis cannot comprehend this point.
The reason why the attestations of the other prophets who appeared before or after Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are included in the name of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is that the Holy Quran has made the authentication of all prophets a part of faith. Islam is the only religion that has made it compulsory for adherents to believe in all prophets of God without exception. Thus, the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is the authenticator and verifier of all other prophets born anytime or anywhere in the world. This is the greatest favour bestowed on the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw by Allah the Almighty.
The only difference between Maulavi Ludhianavi and Ahmadis is that he considers only the previous prophets to be authenticated by the name ‘Muhammad’, whereas Ahmadis also include the Imam Mahdi, who appeared according to prophecies and who is assigned the status of a non-law-bearing prophet. One who recites the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw need not recite any other kalimah, since every kalimah is included in the Kalimah of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. There is no need for Muslims, who are also the followers of Hadrat Ibrahimas, Hadrat Musaas, Hadrat ‘Ćsaas , etc. to recite a separate kalimah-i.e. Ibrahim Rasulullah, Musa Rasulullah, ‘Isa Rasulullah-since it is understood to be included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is not necessary for Ahmadis to say Ahmad Rasulullah as a kalimah since it is
already included in the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw.
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad has expressed his point in a
very wise and scholarly manner. It is regrettable that our opponents raise objections for the sake of objections, without any intent to investigate the truth.- Unquote.
Source: alislam.org/library
Book :
Are Ahmadis Not True Muslims?
By A.S. Musa
@@KhalidBinWalid-tn9eu Quote- If, in reply to our challenge, Maulavi Ludhianavi presents the argument that he is quoting Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, he should first understand the context and background of that writing.
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad was writing that the name ‘Muhammad’ embodies the attributes of all prophets, and all qualities [of excellence] were found in him. So, the name ‘Muhammad’ is an attestation of all prophets, whether they appeared before him or after him. This is a completely unrelated topic, which is a part of the faith of every devoted Muslim. This does not mean that whenever you say ‘Muhammad’, in your mind you have the image of Hadrat Musa [Moses], ‘Ćsa [Jesus], or any other prophet. This is exactly what the writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad portrays. This quotation does not mean that whenever Muhammad’s name is recited he thinks of another personage in his mind. This type of thinking is rather shallow, without any attempt to understand the underlying reasoning.
As this booklet was being composed, Ahmadiyyat has already spread to 124 countries.8 The communities in these countries curse this allegation of Maulavi Ludhianavi and make this unequivocal statement that when the Kalimah is recited, Ahmadis are thinking only of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. The quotation of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, that Maulavi Ludhianavi refers to, is taken out of its true spirit and meaning, and even worse, Maulavi Ludhianavi is attributing his wrong interpretation to all Ahmadis, in spite of our
protestations to the contrary.
Maulavi Ludhianavi has no right to launch the attack on the Ahmadis as he has no knowledge of the unseen. He does not even have knowledge of what is happening in the world; otherwise, he would have considered at least the testimony of a disciple of his own great saint Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi, who is reported to have said in a dream ‘Ashraf ‘Ali Rasulullah’ [i.e. Ashraf ‘Ali is the messenger of Allah].
Moreover, even after waking up from the dream, when he tried to recite Durud Sharif, he started saying:
[O Allah, bless our chief, our prophet, and our master, Ashraf ‘Ali]. (see Risalah al- Imdad, p. 34-35, vol. 3, no. 8, Safar, 1336 AH, printed by Imdadul-Matabi‘ Press, Thanah Bhoon)
Maulavi Ludhianavi should reflect upon the above narration. It is obvious that in this dream of the disciple the
8 This figure is as of the time the booklet was originally written in Urdu. At the time of this translation, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is firmly established in more than 200 countries. [Publisher]
Kalimah has been altered and it has been quoted by a magazine representing the community of Maulana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. How did this quote escape his notice? Is it now not incumbent on him to repent and leave the Deobandis and join the Barelavi sect? The Barelavis have adopted Maulavi Ludhianavi’s method of attack and declared all Deobandis as disbelievers, due to the irresponsible writings of a single individual. The Barelavis claim that the kalimah of Deobandis is completely different than the Kalimah of the Muslims; when they recite the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, they mean Ashraf ‘Ali Thanavi. So Maulavi Ludhianavi can
claim to be a Muslim only if he joins the Barelavi sect.
The mountains of deception Maulavi Ludhianavi has created pertain to the following writing of Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad:
The Promised Messiah is the manifestation of the Holy Prophetsaw, who came to this world again for the spread of Islam. Under these circumstances we do not need any new kalimah. Had it been somebody else instead of the Holy Prophetsaw, then a new kalimah would have been required. (Kalimatul-Fasl, p. 158, by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad; Review of Religions, Urdu, March-April 1915, vol. 14, nos. 3-4)
The above passage was written in view of the objections of a critic who knew that Ahmadis do not have a separate kalimah. However, he wanted to attack the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s viewpoint as inconsistent. The intention was to
trap Ahmadis by arguing that if the Promised Messiah did not have a separate kalimah, then how could he be called a prophet? On the other hand, if Ahmadis claimed to have a separate kalimah, they would be out of the pale of Islam.
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad wrote the above to defend the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from this web of deceit that Maulavi Ludhianavi tries to use for his own purposes. The reply of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, given by Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad, is that we have no separate kalimah, and what the maulavis allege has no basis whatsoever. Our Kalimah
is [There is none worthy of worship except
Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah].
We do not accept the Promised Messiah as an independent prophet separate from the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. Our belief is that if an obedient servant and loyal follower of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is granted the status of a non-law- bearing prophet, he is not required to adopt a new kalimah, as the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw reigns until the Day of Judgement, and cannot be altered.
To make this point understandable, the author of Kalimatul-Fasl has explained that the name and the status of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are so magnificent that they encompass not only the earlier era but also the future. Therefore, it is appropriate to say that all previous prophets, such as Hadrat Adamas [Adam], Nuhas [Noah], Ibrahimas [Abraham], Musaas [Moses], and ‘Ćsaas [Jesus], are subordinate to the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw, and thus they are included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is equally appropriate to say that if an ummati is bestowed the status of a prophet, he will also be
included in the prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. This argument is not merely a personal opinion; rather, it is based on an established verity. It is unfortunate that these maulavis cannot comprehend this point.
The reason why the attestations of the other prophets who appeared before or after Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw are included in the name of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is that the Holy Quran has made the authentication of all prophets a part of faith. Islam is the only religion that has made it compulsory for adherents to believe in all prophets of God without exception. Thus, the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw is the authenticator and verifier of all other prophets born anytime or anywhere in the world. This is the greatest favour bestowed on the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw by Allah the Almighty.
The only difference between Maulavi Ludhianavi and Ahmadis is that he considers only the previous prophets to be authenticated by the name ‘Muhammad’, whereas Ahmadis also include the Imam Mahdi, who appeared according to prophecies and who is assigned the status of a non-law-bearing prophet. One who recites the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw need not recite any other kalimah, since every kalimah is included in the Kalimah of Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. There is no need for Muslims, who are also the followers of Hadrat Ibrahimas, Hadrat Musaas, Hadrat ‘Ćsaas , etc. to recite a separate kalimah-i.e. Ibrahim Rasulullah, Musa Rasulullah, ‘Isa Rasulullah-since it is understood to be included in the Kalimah. Similarly, it is not necessary for Ahmadis to say Ahmad Rasulullah as a kalimah since it is
already included in the Kalimah of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw.
Hadrat Mirza Bashir Ahmad has expressed his point in a
very wise and scholarly manner. It is regrettable that our opponents raise objections for the sake of objections, without any intent to investigate the truth.- Unquote.
Source: alislam.org/library
Book :
Are Ahmadis Not True Muslims?
By A.S. Musa
@Mr. Adnan Rashid & Mr. Imteaz,
Please read the following verses of the Holy Quran regarding Kgatamun Nubuwwah, Continuation of Blessings, Continuation of Revelation :
2:39, 3:80, 3:82, 3:180, 4:70, 6:125, 7:36, 16:3, 18:57, 20:124, 22:76, 24:56, 33:8, 36:66, 40:16, 40:35, 72:8
For the death of Hazrat Isa (a), please go through the following from the Holy Quran: 2:73, 3:145, 4:158-160, 5:76, 5:117-118, 7:25-26, 23:51
Note: please read bismilla hir rahmanir rahim as the first verse of the above sura.
Brother please bring agakhanis also in this type of dialogues. They claim agakhan to be descendant of hz Ali rz. They are munkir of namaz, roza, haj. Claim that their imams have attained impunity for these faraiz. They are bigger liars and always run away from discussions, if they claim to be muslims like us why they do not allow us in their jamatkhana to see what type namaz they do.
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Muslim Sister, Children all Family😔
May Allah protect innocent Muslim Sister😔 in Muslims countries,
all innocent Family😔 in Muslim countries
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Spot on. They’re actually earning money not serving religion. MTA is ads free anywhere in the world. Free for everyone. 😂😂😂
So who’s the Fraud now 😂
@@m4memuji yes i know, normally i just watch Razi Bhai’s answer stream because its so much less than Adnan sahib and Imtiaz Sahibs’s stream, but I thought why not just watch their stream for once or twice but the ads were so annoying 😭
@@Fatima09021 that’s so true. And still people listen to them.
Mirza is being killed by his own sword
Open your eyes before you die and stand in front of Allah you have no excuse Quran is clear no profit no more end
Ask a child, what is 1+1? The child will answer 2. The bottom line, the default position when a Qadiyani is asked to answer a direct yes or no question, is .... "Did the previous nations make Roti by hand, or did they make Jalebi by machine?"... This is their type of answer to a 'direct' question. 😢
Dear bro....what is the benefit of this topic that qadiani consider rest of muslims Kafir...?...it is already clear that a person who has announced war against Allah can not accept his rejectors as his friend....plz stream on personality of Mirza....
shame on them, they are truly misguided.
امتیاز بھاٸی اَلسَلامُ عَلَيْكُم وَرَحْمَةُ اَللهِ وَبَرَكاتُهُ
آپ سبحان الله کا استعمال غلط جگہ پر کرتے ہو۔
Prophets are not easily recognized but mirza as is a truly guided prophet from Allah
It is easily recognisable that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a great fraud!
Liars are easily recognised from their own writings
When Eesa Alayhisalaam comes back he will come with Allah's instructions and permission. A prophet never loses his title and will always be a prophet. So what does prophetic mission mean? Eesa Alayhisalaam is coming on a different mission and we can still say he would be on a prophetic mission. No prophet of Allah SWT is dysfunctional. It is a wrong choice of words but to focus on that is devious. Just like the Ahmadis focus on Eesa's AS ascension and Last prophet. We hardly have anything in common so Shaytaan will cause you to be fixated on TWO Points on which we will never agree. This prevents you from wanting to discuss the other differences which may open your heart..And this is how Shaytaan operates. Shaytaan causes you to go into circles and you will create roundabouts galore. Take heed!
Qadiani can not point out or show from the quote bro imtiaz and adnan bhai brings to the table to be wrong or not in there books .
Sir it is good job. But please in Urdu for Shia doing dirty work against companion of prophet. Regards
Why Qadyani is not using word promise Krishna a.s because Mirza claim to Krishna as well ,, naghzubillah may Allah forgive me for word a s but it's just to correct there aqeda..
Adnan: do not indulge in fruitless discussion that will lead you nowhere. Use your precious Allah given energy for the benefit of the Ummah of our dear Rassool. They are keeping you busy to divert you. If you derive pleasure in scoring over them, it is not a score, it is a nil, stop satisfying your nafs. Discussing with them is giving them importance as it is a discussion with the devil.
Qadiyanis have to be told of true personality of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani! It is their duty as a Muslim, that what Adnan Sahib and Imtiaz Sahib are doing!
@@AbdulKareem-zv3kvThe more you want to save them the farther away they go because they are surrounded but by evil. They will but laugh at you.
This Mirza Ali every time he comes and speaks for a long time and then he says he has to read the complete book or article.
This guy should change his name to Jalebi 😡😡😡😡
Azim Butt is saying according to Quran u are not Muslim if u don't believe Mirza,,, where is Mirza in Quran, where is single sign of this mangol, Punjabi, son of charagh bibi and waladul Haram of Murtaza....
Assalaamualaikum
Please pl. Muslim brothers its a request for all do not call them Ahmedi ,, ma zallah,, because Ahmed is our Prophet pbuh call him qadiyanis.
I think you mean to say engage with, and not indulge in.
His understanding os bigger than his dajjali jamat 😂😂😂😂
LOL, inn ko sab kuch awain hi fraud lagta hai. 😂😂😂
آپکو پورا موقہ دیا گیا تھا لیکن آپ قرآن و حدیث کی روشنی میں ختم نبوت سے مراد آخری نبی نہیں ثابت کرسکے
I understand y'all are being nice, I will say it for you. Mirza Ali is absolute deceptive filth. I don't speak Urdu but y'all translated and he even speaks Urdu, but was still acting like he had no idea what was written!
I'm batman 😎
You should avoid using word fraud
Gol gol gol gol .... Doglani Dajjali jamat ....
Mirza Ali seems to be truly a deceptively ignorant person.
fitna engr mirza also put similar conditions for debate
Just wanted to say Adnan and Imtiyaz you guys are just hypocrites, you went to MTA and they treated you just right cause you guys have to be put on a leash. Got no manners none so ever. Baat krny ki tameez tou hai nahi. It might be okay for you guys to use such language in your own houses not for us bro
Lol how does ahmadi still exist between the 2 of you have made there janaza 😂
Hundreds of gair muslim mazhabs still exist it doesn't prove them right
Alhamdullillah Ahmadis believe in all prophets unlike you people,, Allah will not ask us why you didn’t believe in so and so prophet
Actually mirzai believe more then actual number of prophet exist this is the issue.
And dajal
these books where they referring to exists since 140 years. many Dajjals like Muhammad Imtiaz and Adnan Rashid came an tried to finish Ahmadiyya. They went away but Ahmadiyya still exists and incresing daily. Ahmadiyya started with around 40 people and now we are around 40 Millions. Think about that with all the hate and so called refutations Ahmadiyya increased that much and no one can stop us. Because Allah is with us
Do u understand meaning of 40 million????😂😂😂😂
@@islamforeveryone3146 dont move from my argument. 140 years long allegations but ahmadiyya grow and grow
@@toofan1028 who told you qadyanis are growing??? Even today in the age of internet about 90% of world didn't know about mirza qadyani, how unsuccessful he is bro you can ask christian did they knew him, you can ask Hindus did the knew who are mirza qadyani no they don't know that any such prophet exist, you people only using the name of Muslims and islam otherwise you don't have any identity, how ignorant you are bro.
@@toofan1028 who told you they r growing???
@@islamforeveryone3146 yes. Ahmadiyya is the fastest growing group within Islam
Fateh is another devious ahmadi when he gets caught with mirza lies and the jammats lies he twists it to answering a question that wasn't asked and doesn't have the balls to answer simple questions all they do is play games, mirza says one thing In his book the jammat says another thing and tge followers say something else
Is sad to say mirza ali is a devious lying ahmadi,he comes on and talks so much rubbish,crystal-clear questions he can't understand and answer,listening to razi the dajjal was bad but this guy surpasses razi in his deviousness,.mirza ali is a total time waster
Dear bro....what is the benefit of this topic that qadiani consider rest of muslims Kafir...?...it is already clear that a person who has announced war against Allah can not accept his rejectors as his friend....plz stream on personality of Mirza....