The "box-like" protrusions on each side had windows on them and were called Duckets, the guard could stick his head in them and look through the Windows down the entire length of the train to check everything was ok.
A very impressive model, and captures the spirit of the real thing. And they have a fascinating history. In 1933, a prototype (56263) was built on the chassis of a redundant LBSR AC electric loco, -- hence the long bogie concept, which the SR saw was needed to give a smooth high speed ride (up to 75 mph) for an express brake van. Successful trials led to a further 20 rebuilds of redundant LBSR loco bogeyed chassis in 1934-35, and this initial batch were known as Gondolas. None were preserved. But the success of the new concept was so convincing that, in 1936, the SR built another batch of 25 bogeyed brake vans; but this time a brand new purpose built chassis and improved bogies were to be built at Lancing Works, Sussex, while the body was to be separately built at Ashford Works, Kent, and the completed brake vans were out-shopped there. It is this second batch that became known as the Queen Mary's. As for the name, it's large size was seen as a comparison at the time to the Queen Mary Liner, which was actually launched in 1936. But also it is interesting to note that 1936 was the last year of Queen Mary's 43 year reign as Queen, as her husband (George V), died that year. Britain had a great affection for this woman of great character, and many special things were named after her, including the Ocean Liner, a Battle-cruiser and a University. Naming this Brake van after her was another affectionate tribute. Apparently, some guards commented at the time that the ride was so good that it was fit for a Queen! Like Queen Mary, the Queen Mary Brake has great character, elegance and strength, and has stood the test of time. Incredibly, of the 25 original vehicles of this second batch, 14 have entered preservation,-- largely because so many of them were taken into Departmental service. Widely seen as the best brake van ever produced in Britain.
Another great review Sam, I’ve always found the Queen Mary brake vans to be one of the most interesting pieces of rolling stock to be built by the big four. If you’re wondering as well why they were mounted on bogies, it didn’t actually give them any extra braking power like I originally thought. In reality they were built by the southern to be used on their express goods trains, such as parcel trains and milk trains. Thus being mounted on bogies on what was essentially a carriage chassis was so that they gave a smoother ride at higher speeds and I think possibly decreased the risk of hot axle boxes. Hope you find this interesting, can’t wait to see what you do next.
Thanks a lot Hugh - I think they are too - fascinating history! I've heard that they are very smooth riding too - so that must be it - very interesting!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam Louve Brake vans as much as you. The SR was the only railway company to build these two bogie (off passenger carriages) vans in any quantity, possibly just shy of twenty. Used on long distance freights. There is a tale that workers at EastleighWorks would chuck hunks of scrap into the underframe to increase weight
Excellent review as always and they are big. I had the chance as a Mid Hants & Bluebell member to get close and personal last year. They are big and with the brakes on it must have been like towiing a cement works!
Kernow has three liveries of these QM brake vans on sale for £19.99, which seems more in line with the level of detail you pointed out in this video. I purchased one in BR departmental gray and blue. Can't wait for it to arrive here in the States!
The sticky outbits on the side are Ducketts they allow the Guard to look down the side of the train while keeping his head safe and in some level of comfort.
Hmm curious, I have one of these that I got around 15 years ago (at least) and I love it. It definitely is an older model but that said I'm pretty sure I got mine for closer to £15 back then! Presumably Bachmann have discovered it's still a good seller and keep churning it out while raising the price for inflation (and a bit)... or maybe I just got a great deal!
Thanks for the comment - yes that is very interesting - £15 for 15 years ago sounds very reasonable.... but the same model for £20+ in 2019 is borderline ludicrous, in my opinion! ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That is a large breakvan! The red on the ends looks amazing too - it really adds some colour to an otherwise pretty boring brown. I rode in one of these at the Scunthorpe Steelworks tour and at the NRM! Great vid Sam - Dylan
@@SamsTrains has internal glazing for the guards area but front and sides open. I got the model from Hattons and was a bit disapointed with the detailing. I live near the old Dinting railway centre which i am modeling. They used to give rides in one of these behind locos such as A4 Nigel Gresley, Scots Guardsman, Flying Scotsman in addition to the societys own locos such as LNWR coal tank. They are based at the KWVR now and they srltill have rhe guardsvan. There are UA-cam videos of Dinting including a guards van ride so go and have a go yourself Sam!
6:52 - I believe those are called 'duckets'. They were used by the guard to keep an eye on the train in front of them. And alongside the Queen Mary, there's another type of brakevan which I feel has an amusing nickname - the 'Shark' brakevan. I believe Sharks were used on ballast trains. They had a plough between the wheels, which would spread the ballast over the track. Bizarrely, I've heard that there is a 'Shark' brakevan parked in a siding at Shenfield station (about 20 miles east of London Liverpool Street).
For some reason I get the feeling that if Hornby made a brakevan with the same level of detail as this Queen Mary, they would put it in the Railroad range.
One last thing before I finally shut up. I find it quite unusual to see a British brakevan with bogies, as - I believe - all the others were 4-wheelers. In New Zealand it was a very different situation, as I'm fairly sure we only ever had bogie brakevans, or - guard's vans - as we prefer to call them.
Ahh very interesting - thanks for the info on those, I think you're right, others have said the same! They certainly would do - this is comparable to the Hornby Railroad range! That's very interesting - yeah it's odd to have any more than 4 wheels on a British brake! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Really nice looking breakvan! And you are right about the RMS Queen Mary reference, she was indeed the largest ocean liner in the 1930s, over 1000 feet long and 80,000 tons in weight! Although that record was surpassed by her sister ship the Queen Elizabeth that was about 11 feet longer.
As a southern modeller firstly let me compliment you on an excellent review. As regards the price I have to agree with you that it’s a bit steep for a model that’s over ten years old. As for the prototypes; the rebuilt versions came out in 1931 and were known as gondolas, this is the actual Queen Mary’s 25 of which were built in 1936 at around the same time as RMS Queen Mary hence the name. These were extraordinarily long lived wagons some remaining in engineering service until the 2000s
Watched your review again. Obtained three from Kernow today, all different, at a cost of £62, including postage. I concur they are heavy for their size. Only downside, cannot fit Hunt couplings, even though they are primarily for display.
Hi Sam I really enjoy these rolling stock reviews. I like how the models are quite affordable and if I like them it is something quite achievable to save up for quite quick. Thanks for the great review Josh
The protrusions to the side of the van were to allow the guard to see down the length of the train and if it separated they'd then apply the brakes, obviously for trains without vacuum brakes
I was about to say it's been a while since you've had anything southern! We've got a couple down at the mid hants railway, and I have the pleasure of operating on one, rides like a dream! Great video as always Sam!
haha it has indeed - it was high time! That's fantastic - glad to hear they're nice to work with - pretty spacious I'd imagine?? :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Enjoyed the review Sam. Good quality. The side protrusion is called "ducket". Supposed to be glazed. Also featured in some of the "Thomas & Friends" episodes is a 4 wheeled brake coach with a ducket for the guard to see the distance/ length of the train.
Is quite strange to have no glazing for the OO gauge version, and yes I can confirm that the N gauge version does have glazing and what seems to be NEM pockets, though not quite the normal N gauge NEMs as they don't seem to pop out that easily. Still is a rather nice brake van with a fair bit of character, do agree it needs to be cheaper in both gauges.
Yeah I agree - I saw some photos of the N gauge version, and I was surprised too - it must be much newer! But yeah, overall - it's decent! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Yeah Bachmann and dapol stuff is dearer usually than Hornby but even their stuff is expensive, I just bought some cheap spares though, 11 buffers at £4 altogether for two Lima compatible ones plus 9 unknown make ones, but they look OK now I glued the ones on tee though and had to drill some old buffers out as well as make holes bigger
Thanks for the comment mate! I don't mind them being dearer, as long as they're better.... but they very rarely are! That sounds good though - a good deal there! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yeah and they were the type I needed for sncf tee dmu coaches i have which had 1 full buffer but rest were broke so need 5 from the £3 after making some adjustments and used the pair I got for £1 the used last 4 on my obb Austrian coach
I personally prefer them in Network South East or EWS livery, but this is a great looking livery too. Not sure why the price is so high but I think it my have something to do with other more detailed liveries being the same price and being more worth the price, yet all the Queen Mary brake vans are kept at a set price rather than each one varying depending on the livery. That's my theory anyway, but I absolutely loved your review as always Sam, Queen Mary brake vans are my favourite rolling stock and hope to ride one, I ony had pleasure in riding a Toad at Elsecar Heritage Railway which I'll be volunteering soon. I think Queen Mary would look great behind Percy and some milk wagons, I need to request that. Thanks for the review Sam, have a good day.
Yeah the modern liveries look quite interesting on these! Yes I'm sure that will be a factor, you're right, but even for a more complex paintjob, the price seems a bit steep! Sounds awesome mate - hope you get to ride one! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam Your reviews are very interesting, and I really like the SR Queen Mary brake van, but I would question your description of it as being "articulated". It just has 2 bogeys, the same as nearly all normal-sized carriages. "Articulated" is when two carriages share a single bogey where they join together (as well, of course as the two end bogeys). Main examples being the Gresley Coronation and Silver Jubilee trains. The LNER triplet restaurant car and Quad-Art LNER carriage sets, all Gresley designs, are also articulated, but not the Queen Mary. If you have ever seen the early Hornby Dublo Southern Railway guards van (very rare!) it was like a small-sized Queen Mary in colour, with its red-brown sand boxes, marked "SAND". I don't think the whole of the end walls should be that colour, just the Sand Box, which should have "Sand" printed on the sloping lid. Maybe that's how the preserved one is currently painted. I am sure I once saw one in a Woking siding in the sixties, but that would have been in BR livery. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
Hi again Sam, Thanks for your reply. Glad you didn't mind my mentioning it, but I really like those Gresley articulated coaches. If it bends in the middle - like articulated lorries, and "bendy" buses, and of course the LNER Coronation carriage pairs - it's articulated! It is always a pleasure to watch your programmes - even if my collection is mainly Hornby Dublo 3-rail! Your enthusiasm is infectious. Best wishes. Peter.
Love these and been lucky enough to Drive a actul ex BR class 10 Diesel electric ( the Blacksone diesel engine version of the class 08 ) and I had a Mary brake on my short engineers train , must get a model of one sometime .
This doesn't justify the modern asking price, but the reason for the lack of detail is that (I think) this first came out in the 1990s. I picked one up, boxed, 2nd Hand on Tuesday for £6 to be repainted from BR Bauxite into a slightly earlier version of SR brown (larger lettering). Also, I notice in that release Bachmann haven't picked out the lamp irons in white, which although not universal, seems to have been done and would have been that little bit more deserving of the asking price.
An interesting model Sam, the protruding sections on the sides, allows the guard to look along the train to ensure all is well, especially in poor weather conditions. Value for money, I'm afraid not...Bob
I've just bought a Canadian Pacific merchant navy on hattons, and it's missing couplings. Could you maybe do a video showing how to replace them because I have no clue.
Hey Dylan - it all depends on what fittings it has on board - it probably doesn't have NEM pockets, so you'll want to get some screw-on ones! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
3:05 they look like steps to me! 6:48 I beleive that's a lookout window! Because the British made their trains too short in height to have cupolas like American Cabooses! I'm surpsied they made this brake van so expensive! I wouldn't pay more than 20 quid for it (about $25 US)! Have you considered reviewing the Bachmann LMS Inspection Saloon? They are quite interesting, especially the EWS one!
I think they are yeah - most people have said that! I'd love to see one of these in real life, and maybe even try the lookout window! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Have you ever thought of reviewing the hattons warwell wagon? As that has a full diecast body and bogies and for not much more than the queen mary brake van
No NEM pockets...? Strange, considering Bachmann seemed to be the pioneer of sticking those on everything. It's still a very interesting van, though - I had no idea these were built on shortened coach frames! It somewhat reminds me of some of the open-sided tourist coaches built on flatcars here in the states.
haha absolutely - it just demonstrates how old this must be! Yeah they have a fascinating history - and you're right, it does have the same feel to it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Those boxes on the side of the van is so you can sit in in it and look around the side of the brake van without sticking your head out the side of it, which is dangerous because of signals and stuff
Ahh awesome - that makes a lot of sense, thanks for letting me know mate - I guess they wouldn't fancy loosing their head to a signal ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I feel like this is an ex mainline tooling or at least very old. Bachmann do a more modern longer wheel base toad and Hornby have recently re tooled the same design, hornby's is the same level as the Oxford one but Bachmann has moulded hand rails for the same price.
I'm not sure about that - I doubt it's as old as Mainline with couplings like that - but it's certainly similar in terms of detail! It's interesting when different manufacturers make the same models - that certainly shows Bachmann up! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Duly noted! And you are right - technically it isn't articulated.... I don't know a better term other than 'bogied' though, which sounds a bit naff ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I've noticed another difference between British and American rolling stock. In the U.K., it is uncommon for freight cars and caboose to be articulated. In the U.S., it is uncommon for them to NOT be articulated.
Yeah that's pretty interesting actually! I guess that says a lot about the size difference between British and American rolling stock! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hey Sam great video. I think the price is a bit steep I just wanted to let you know that I am totally blind. You do a great job of describing the locos and rolling stock really well. Keep up the great work🚃🚅🚂
Thanks Stewart - yeah I agree, but it's okay! Blimey are you really? I had no idea of that - glad you like these anyway mate! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains got 2 queen mary vans so it did not take long to just click and kinda a buggar i was thinking of doing a sorta timeline review oh my brake vans from old tri-ang to my Oxford toad (3 axle)
queen mary was a nickname given to any large vehicle, for example the RAF's large girder built aircraft transporter known as queen mary's from the 30's remember them from when I was little in the50's, the queen mary here was built on a former electric carriage/loco's chassis in reality
Good honest review Sam, The bulges on the side are look outs, they enable the guard to look along the side of the train without gong out into the elements.
The American ones had those too, but it was much more common for them to be on the top. This is because of our freight trains that were several miles long, and having them on top was the only way to see the whole line of cars at once.
hello sam I have been on a queen mary brake van at the NRM and I think it was a peckett which pulled the brake van and maybe queen mary had a ride in the first of the queen mary brake vans and I think you should have had a GWR king class pull the queen mary brake vans train and I love all your videos from david
Excellent review of the Bachmann Queen Marry brake van Sam 👍😉 I think Bachmann should do a much better well detailed Queen Marry brake van. I ride the Queen Marry brake van during yesterday on the Spa Valley Railway and it carried the War Department green livery.
Thanks very much Joe - I agree - it's definitely time to see a super detailed one, for that price! That's awesome - hope you had an awesome time - was it pretty massive in real life?! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Ooh that's awesome Lewis - they're not too bad, there are worse value models, and they are pretty unique too - but don't expect tooo much ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The protrusions on the sides were to help the guard to see forward around the train, otherwise they would have to stick their head out of the window to see past the train.
I like this van compared to some of the other ones even if it's a little older and more expensive I mean I do have five of them so I don't know what that says about me but I do really like it it honestly I prefer something that I don't have to fit a lot of parts on constantly let's be honest you're never really going to be working you're going to be working at it far away I never really close up unless you actually look at it close up so at that point the detail actually it's probably a little bit higher for me it's me It just fits a long freight train that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it
Yeah me too - it's pretty awesome looking - crikey 5 of them?! I bet they look awesome together! That's true though - it looks fine from any sort of distance, but there's no reason why it couldn't have been cheaper! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I think they may be 6 plank, or possibly more - they're from all over, I buy them whenever I spot them at train fairs or on Ebay! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
For your how many years on yt cN you do like what a heritage line would do and do a tiny fair or somthing with some locos giving break van specials that would be cool
Well I have never seen anything like this before, in model or real life. I have to wonder if the weight of it might cause derailments if you have a long train going around a curve. I have a good selection of coal wagons and always make sure that the heaviest (usually oldest) are nearest to the engine. I think the price is a bit steep and I would rather spend my money on engines.
I know - it's super unusual! I suppose it could do with very long trains - but it's not massively heavy, just more so than I expected! Me too overall mate - agreed! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I might do when they bring the new ones out - the existing ones are just too poor running unfortunately, otherwise I would! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Have two of these myself, i have also had the chance of working on one owned by spa valley railway. Great video too
That's fantastic to hear! What are they like to work with??
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I've worked on the spa valley one too :) a great brake van and very popular on running days with the puplic :) and it's in LB&SCR colours.
The "box-like" protrusions on each side had windows on them and were called Duckets, the guard could stick his head in them and look through the Windows down the entire length of the train to check everything was ok.
That makes sense Peter - thanks very much for the info, duly noted!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Duckets is what we call pigeon lofts up here in the north east. :-)
nice model and review. By the way, those separately fitted parts are steps.
Thanks a lot Mikey - yeah I think you're right actually, they do look like them!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam'sTrains no problem
A very impressive model, and captures the spirit of the real thing. And they have a fascinating history. In 1933, a prototype (56263) was built on the chassis of a redundant LBSR AC electric loco, -- hence the long bogie concept, which the SR saw was needed to give a smooth high speed ride (up to 75 mph) for an express brake van. Successful trials led to a further 20 rebuilds of redundant LBSR loco bogeyed chassis in 1934-35, and this initial batch were known as Gondolas. None were preserved. But the success of the new concept was so convincing that, in 1936, the SR built another batch of 25 bogeyed brake vans; but this time a brand new purpose built chassis and improved bogies were to be built at Lancing Works, Sussex, while the body was to be separately built at Ashford Works, Kent, and the completed brake vans were out-shopped there. It is this second batch that became known as the Queen Mary's.
As for the name, it's large size was seen as a comparison at the time to the Queen Mary Liner, which was actually launched in 1936. But also it is interesting to note that 1936 was the last year of Queen Mary's 43 year reign as Queen, as her husband (George V), died that year. Britain had a great affection for this woman of great character, and many special things were named after her, including the Ocean Liner, a Battle-cruiser and a University. Naming this Brake van after her was another affectionate tribute. Apparently, some guards commented at the time that the ride was so good that it was fit for a Queen! Like Queen Mary, the Queen Mary Brake has great character, elegance and strength, and has stood the test of time. Incredibly, of the 25 original vehicles of this second batch, 14 have entered preservation,-- largely because so many of them were taken into Departmental service. Widely seen as the best brake van ever produced in Britain.
My grandad will love this! He grew up in Brighton, he would catch a train to London. On the way he would see Q1’s hauling these, S15’s ETC...
Ooh that's fantastic - hope it brings back some good memories for him!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Another great review Sam, I’ve always found the Queen Mary brake vans to be one of the most interesting pieces of rolling stock to be built by the big four. If you’re wondering as well why they were mounted on bogies, it didn’t actually give them any extra braking power like I originally thought. In reality they were built by the southern to be used on their express goods trains, such as parcel trains and milk trains. Thus being mounted on bogies on what was essentially a carriage chassis was so that they gave a smoother ride at higher speeds and I think possibly decreased the risk of hot axle boxes. Hope you find this interesting, can’t wait to see what you do next.
Thanks a lot Hugh - I think they are too - fascinating history! I've heard that they are very smooth riding too - so that must be it - very interesting!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Watched your video again. Now have six Queens in my collection. Couplings were changed over to Hunt’s before going on display.
Hi Sam Louve Brake vans as much as you. The SR was the only railway company to build these two bogie (off passenger carriages) vans in any quantity, possibly just shy of twenty. Used on long distance freights. There is a tale that workers at EastleighWorks would chuck hunks of scrap into the underframe to increase weight
Glad to hear that Leroy - haha I've never heard that before!! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Excellent review as always and they are big. I had the chance as a Mid Hants & Bluebell member to get close and personal last year. They are big and with the brakes on it must have been like towiing a cement works!
Thanks so much mate - ooh fantastic, i bet they are impressive things! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Also, boxes on each end were usually used for sand. (Sorry if anyone else commented on this, havent read all way down)
Ahh duly noted - yes that makes good sense, thanks for letting me know! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Kernow has three liveries of these QM brake vans on sale for £19.99, which seems more in line with the level of detail you pointed out in this video. I purchased one in BR departmental gray and blue. Can't wait for it to arrive here in the States!
Great job Sam! :D I'm not really sure, but I think those things that attach to the bogie's are steps for climbing into the brake van.
Yeah I think you're definitely right Kameron - most people are saying that! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The sticky outbits on the side are Ducketts they allow the Guard to look down the side of the train while keeping his head safe and in some level of comfort.
That's very cool! I had a feeling it'd be for that! These guards getting all the luxuries ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hmm curious, I have one of these that I got around 15 years ago (at least) and I love it. It definitely is an older model but that said I'm pretty sure I got mine for closer to £15 back then! Presumably Bachmann have discovered it's still a good seller and keep churning it out while raising the price for inflation (and a bit)... or maybe I just got a great deal!
Thanks for the comment - yes that is very interesting - £15 for 15 years ago sounds very reasonable.... but the same model for £20+ in 2019 is borderline ludicrous, in my opinion! ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That is a large breakvan! The red on the ends looks amazing too - it really adds some colour to an otherwise pretty boring brown. I rode in one of these at the Scunthorpe Steelworks tour and at the NRM!
Great vid Sam
- Dylan
Thanks Dylan - yeah I agree - it's super cool looking - I really like it!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Had a ride in one of these in York recently. Was unglazed.
Is that so Rick?? That's very interesting! I've definitely seen photos of them glazed - I wonder if they varied??
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains has internal glazing for the guards area but front and sides open. I got the model from Hattons and was a bit disapointed with the detailing. I live near the old Dinting railway centre which i am modeling. They used to give rides in one of these behind locos such as A4 Nigel Gresley, Scots Guardsman, Flying Scotsman in addition to the societys own locos such as LNWR coal tank. They are based at the KWVR now and they srltill have rhe guardsvan. There are UA-cam videos of Dinting including a guards van ride so go and have a go yourself Sam!
6:52 - I believe those are called 'duckets'. They were used by the guard to keep an eye on the train in front of them. And alongside the Queen Mary, there's another type of brakevan which I feel has an amusing nickname - the 'Shark' brakevan. I believe Sharks were used on ballast trains. They had a plough between the wheels, which would spread the ballast over the track. Bizarrely, I've heard that there is a 'Shark' brakevan parked in a siding at Shenfield station (about 20 miles east of London Liverpool Street).
For some reason I get the feeling that if Hornby made a brakevan with the same level of detail as this Queen Mary, they would put it in the Railroad range.
One last thing before I finally shut up. I find it quite unusual to see a British brakevan with bogies, as - I believe - all the others were 4-wheelers. In New Zealand it was a very different situation, as I'm fairly sure we only ever had bogie brakevans, or - guard's vans - as we prefer to call them.
Ahh very interesting - thanks for the info on those, I think you're right, others have said the same! They certainly would do - this is comparable to the Hornby Railroad range!
That's very interesting - yeah it's odd to have any more than 4 wheels on a British brake!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Looks great! I'm not serious modeller, so not really that bothered about detail. I might look into buying one!
Sounds good! At the right price, I can recommend it! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Really nice looking breakvan! And you are right about the RMS Queen Mary reference, she was indeed the largest ocean liner in the 1930s, over 1000 feet long and 80,000 tons in weight! Although that record was surpassed by her sister ship the Queen Elizabeth that was about 11 feet longer.
Thanks a lot Kris - yeah I had a feeling it'd be because of that!! Thanks for confirming mate,
Cheers,
Sam :)
As a southern modeller firstly let me compliment you on an excellent review. As regards the price I have to agree with you that it’s a bit steep for a model that’s over ten years old. As for the prototypes; the rebuilt versions came out in 1931 and were known as gondolas, this is the actual Queen Mary’s 25 of which were built in 1936 at around the same time as RMS Queen Mary hence the name. These were extraordinarily long lived wagons some remaining in engineering service until the 2000s
Many thanks for that Iain, much appreciated! Thanks for the info too - I'm finding the history of these very fascinating!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Watched your review again. Obtained three from Kernow today, all different, at a cost of £62, including postage. I concur they are heavy for their size. Only downside, cannot fit Hunt couplings, even though they are primarily for display.
Hi Sam
I really enjoy these rolling stock reviews. I like how the models are quite affordable and if I like them it is something quite achievable to save up for quite quick.
Thanks for the great review Josh
Hey Josh, thanks a lot for that mate - yeah the rolling stock is usually nice and affordable! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Oh boy i didn't realize at first that I'm so early today! Cool Video!
haha you were!! Thanks so much for coming!! :D
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@@SamsTrains Yaay! Thanks for replying to me! :)))
The detail pack things are foot plates used when shunting, low level steps for workers to use.
Ahh of course - thanks for that, makes sense! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The protrusions to the side of the van were to allow the guard to see down the length of the train and if it separated they'd then apply the brakes, obviously for trains without vacuum brakes
Duly noted Nirate, thanks very much for the info!
Cheers,
Sam :)
I was about to say it's been a while since you've had anything southern! We've got a couple down at the mid hants railway, and I have the pleasure of operating on one, rides like a dream! Great video as always Sam!
haha it has indeed - it was high time! That's fantastic - glad to hear they're nice to work with - pretty spacious I'd imagine?? :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yes very spacious! And if you get a fire going in the stove it gets like a sauna!
Up next: the King Henry VIII break van a break van larger than the big boy
haha that must be done!! :D
Enjoyed the review Sam. Good quality. The side protrusion is called "ducket". Supposed to be glazed. Also featured in some of the "Thomas & Friends" episodes is a 4 wheeled brake coach with a ducket for the guard to see the distance/ length of the train.
Thanks a lot Nix - and ducket is the term I was looking for - thanks for this!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains pleasure share the hobby... Cheers
It is a beautiful model yet very expensive💰💰
And I also saw bullman behind one of the trains in the end🐄🐄
Thanks Richa - yes I'd agree with you there! Well spotted with Bullman! :D
Absolutely beautiful brake van.
I agree!! :D
It looks like the transfer cabooses we got here in the states.
I do like these rolling stock reviews it’s like a double break van
Thanks Ollie! haha it is actually - it's huge isn't it?!?! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That is a very nice model! The Queen Mary brakevans are really good looking pieces of rolling stock personally I feel the price is a little much.
Thanks a lot mate - I agree, very good looking indeed, but pricey! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Another brake van review, I love it! Keep up with the great content!
Thanks so much! I'm really enjoying the brake vans too!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Thanks for the tip for maintenance for the trains
My pleasure mate!
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Sam :)
Hey sam, you should get the Bachmann pillbox brake van, they were used on the southern railway, just like the queen Mary!
Thanks a lot for that suggestion Nicholas - I'll give that one a look! :D
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@@SamsTrains you are welcome sam!
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Is quite strange to have no glazing for the OO gauge version, and yes I can confirm that the N gauge version does have glazing and what seems to be NEM pockets, though not quite the normal N gauge NEMs as they don't seem to pop out that easily.
Still is a rather nice brake van with a fair bit of character, do agree it needs to be cheaper in both gauges.
Yeah I agree - I saw some photos of the N gauge version, and I was surprised too - it must be much newer! But yeah, overall - it's decent!
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Yeah Bachmann and dapol stuff is dearer usually than Hornby but even their stuff is expensive, I just bought some cheap spares though, 11 buffers at £4 altogether for two Lima compatible ones plus 9 unknown make ones, but they look OK now I glued the ones on tee though and had to drill some old buffers out as well as make holes bigger
Thanks for the comment mate! I don't mind them being dearer, as long as they're better.... but they very rarely are! That sounds good though - a good deal there! :D
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@@SamsTrains yeah and they were the type I needed for sncf tee dmu coaches i have which had 1 full buffer but rest were broke so need 5 from the £3 after making some adjustments and used the pair I got for £1 the used last 4 on my obb Austrian coach
I personally prefer them in Network South East or EWS livery, but this is a great looking livery too. Not sure why the price is so high but I think it my have something to do with other more detailed liveries being the same price and being more worth the price, yet all the Queen Mary brake vans are kept at a set price rather than each one varying depending on the livery. That's my theory anyway, but I absolutely loved your review as always Sam, Queen Mary brake vans are my favourite rolling stock and hope to ride one, I ony had pleasure in riding a Toad at Elsecar Heritage Railway which I'll be volunteering soon. I think Queen Mary would look great behind Percy and some milk wagons, I need to request that. Thanks for the review Sam, have a good day.
Yeah the modern liveries look quite interesting on these! Yes I'm sure that will be a factor, you're right, but even for a more complex paintjob, the price seems a bit steep!
Sounds awesome mate - hope you get to ride one! :D
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Hi Sam Your reviews are very interesting, and I really like the SR Queen Mary brake van, but I would question your description of it as being "articulated". It just has 2 bogeys, the same as nearly all normal-sized carriages. "Articulated" is when two carriages share a single bogey where they join together (as well, of course as the two end bogeys). Main examples being the Gresley Coronation and Silver Jubilee trains. The LNER triplet restaurant car and Quad-Art LNER carriage sets, all Gresley designs, are also articulated, but not the Queen Mary. If you have ever seen the early Hornby Dublo Southern Railway guards van (very rare!) it was like a small-sized Queen Mary in colour, with its red-brown sand boxes, marked "SAND". I don't think the whole of the end walls should be that colour, just the Sand Box, which should have "Sand" printed on the sloping lid. Maybe that's how the preserved one is currently painted. I am sure I once saw one in a Woking siding in the sixties, but that would have been in BR livery.
Keep up the good work. Cheers.
Many thanks Peter, yes you're right - articulated wasn't quite the right term! Thanks a lot for the info!
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Hi again Sam, Thanks for your reply. Glad you didn't mind my mentioning it, but I really like those Gresley articulated coaches. If it bends in the middle - like articulated lorries, and "bendy" buses, and of course the LNER Coronation carriage pairs - it's articulated! It is always a pleasure to watch your programmes - even if my collection is mainly Hornby Dublo 3-rail! Your enthusiasm is infectious. Best wishes. Peter.
Love these and been lucky enough to Drive a actul ex BR class 10 Diesel electric ( the Blacksone diesel engine version of the class 08 ) and I had a Mary brake on my short engineers train , must get a model of one sometime .
That's pretty fantastic Ian - I can recommend these for the right price!
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This doesn't justify the modern asking price, but the reason for the lack of detail is that (I think) this first came out in the 1990s. I picked one up, boxed, 2nd Hand on Tuesday for £6 to be repainted from BR Bauxite into a slightly earlier version of SR brown (larger lettering). Also, I notice in that release Bachmann haven't picked out the lamp irons in white, which although not universal, seems to have been done and would have been that little bit more deserving of the asking price.
I agree! You're right, it is quite an old model now - which makes the asking price even less reasonable.
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I've recently purchased an E2 on hattons in the southern black with green lining . It's B103
That's fantastic - really hope you enjoy it mate! :D
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The National Railway Museum always operate with a Queen Mary brakevan, it’s not bad at all for preservation use.
Ooh really?? I'd love to go and see it - I didn't realise they were using one!!
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An interesting model Sam, the protruding sections on the sides, allows the guard to look along the train to ensure all is well, especially in poor weather conditions. Value for money, I'm afraid not...Bob
Thanks a lot Bob, and for the info too! Yep - can't call this one a bargain sadly :/
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I've just bought a Canadian Pacific merchant navy on hattons, and it's missing couplings. Could you maybe do a video showing how to replace them because I have no clue.
Hey Dylan - it all depends on what fittings it has on board - it probably doesn't have NEM pockets, so you'll want to get some screw-on ones!
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3:05 they look like steps to me!
6:48 I beleive that's a lookout window! Because the British made their trains too short in height to have cupolas like American Cabooses!
I'm surpsied they made this brake van so expensive! I wouldn't pay more than 20 quid for it (about $25 US)!
Have you considered reviewing the Bachmann LMS Inspection Saloon? They are quite interesting, especially the EWS one!
I think they are yeah - most people have said that! I'd love to see one of these in real life, and maybe even try the lookout window! :D
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I always liked the Queen Mary's for some reason. I might get one to do a brakevan ride/ train.
Yeah me too - they're awesome looking things! :D
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Have you ever thought of reviewing the hattons warwell wagon? As that has a full diecast body and bogies and for not much more than the queen mary brake van
If you recommend it I'll certainly look into getting one of those! :D
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@@SamsTrains i very much recommended it!
I inherited one of these yesterday, but in a lighter brown and no red. I think a full sized one would be nice to live in XD
Ooh interesting - yeah it would make a good camper van wouldn't it?! ;D
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No NEM pockets...? Strange, considering Bachmann seemed to be the pioneer of sticking those on everything.
It's still a very interesting van, though - I had no idea these were built on shortened coach frames! It somewhat reminds me of some of the open-sided tourist coaches built on flatcars here in the states.
haha absolutely - it just demonstrates how old this must be! Yeah they have a fascinating history - and you're right, it does have the same feel to it!
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Wow that was great, bit expensive. but I do like the Queen Mary brake van. proberly my favorite brake van!
Well done Sam 👍
Thanks a lot George - yeah I really like them too - It'd be awesome to get a proper super-detailed version actually! :D
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Mr Sam are you going to do a review on the 2 m t iverts with tenders after this or soon
Hey James - yeah that one's on the list of engines to review soon! :D
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I think those boards are steps by the looks of things
yup, they are steps
Yeah they do look that way - thanks for that!! :D
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Those boxes on the side of the van is so you can sit in in it and look around the side of the brake van without sticking your head out the side of it, which is dangerous because of signals and stuff
Ahh awesome - that makes a lot of sense, thanks for letting me know mate - I guess they wouldn't fancy loosing their head to a signal ;)
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Very nice one quick question how do you enter that give away that is on your stream???
Hey! All will be revealed in the first stream on Sunday - full instructions & rules will be included! :D
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That’s a really nice brake van I always liked those because it’s so nice and big
Thanks Daniel! Yeah me too - I love how huge these are too! :D
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I feel like this is an ex mainline tooling or at least very old. Bachmann do a more modern longer wheel base toad and Hornby have recently re tooled the same design, hornby's is the same level as the Oxford one but Bachmann has moulded hand rails for the same price.
I'm not sure about that - I doubt it's as old as Mainline with couplings like that - but it's certainly similar in terms of detail! It's interesting when different manufacturers make the same models - that certainly shows Bachmann up!
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This Is Seen In A Thomas Fan Series. But I Didn’t Know This Is A Real Brakevan 😱😱
(Love The Video Sam 👍)
Ooh really?! I didn't know it was in Thomas!! xD
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Sam It Was Seen In NWR Tales. First Appearance Was Season 6
The things on the side are known as Duckets which were lookouts. Also I don't think 2 bogies on a vehicle means that it is articulated.
Duly noted! And you are right - technically it isn't articulated.... I don't know a better term other than 'bogied' though, which sounds a bit naff ;)
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I've noticed another difference between British and American rolling stock. In the U.K., it is uncommon for freight cars and caboose to be articulated. In the U.S., it is uncommon for them to NOT be articulated.
Yeah that's pretty interesting actually! I guess that says a lot about the size difference between British and American rolling stock! :D
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Hey Sam great video. I think the price is a bit steep I just wanted to let you know that I am totally blind. You do a great job of describing the locos and rolling stock really well. Keep up the great work🚃🚅🚂
Thanks Stewart - yeah I agree, but it's okay! Blimey are you really? I had no idea of that - glad you like these anyway mate! :D
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Those pieces are foot boards saves the guard a bit of a jump and they are impressive brake vans
That makes sense - I think most people are concurring with you on that!
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@@SamsTrains got 2 queen mary vans so it did not take long to just click and kinda a buggar i was thinking of doing a sorta timeline review oh my brake vans from old tri-ang to my Oxford toad (3 axle)
queen mary was a nickname given to any large vehicle, for example the RAF's large girder built aircraft transporter known as queen mary's from the 30's remember them from when I was little in the50's, the queen mary here was built on a former electric carriage/loco's chassis in reality
Duly noted Peter, thanks a lot for the info on this! Was it due to the massive size of the Queen Mary ship then?
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@@SamsTrains probably as the were massive
Woah that is one huge brake van with 8 wheels. Its like a wheel configuration for a Caboose for american brake vans.
haha absolutely - I couldn't believe the size of this!! :O
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Good honest review Sam,
The bulges on the side are look outs, they enable the guard to look along the side of the train without gong out into the elements.
The American ones had those too, but it was much more common for them to be on the top. This is because of our freight trains that were several miles long, and having them on top was the only way to see the whole line of cars at once.
@@plagued_inferno6059 yup, and bigger loading guage helped as well in the US
Thanks very much Jon, and for the info too - that makes sense!
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hello sam I have been on a queen mary brake van at the NRM and I think it was a peckett which pulled the brake van and maybe queen mary had a ride in the first of the queen mary brake vans and I think you should have had a GWR king class pull the queen mary brake vans train and I love all your videos from david
Ooh have you really?!?! That's very awesome - was it massive in real life?!?! :D
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@@SamsTrains it was massive in real life and it had a very big guards apartment inside as well from david
Excellent review of the Bachmann Queen Marry brake van Sam 👍😉
I think Bachmann should do a much better well detailed Queen Marry brake van.
I ride the Queen Marry brake van during yesterday on the Spa Valley Railway and it carried the War Department green livery.
Thanks very much Joe - I agree - it's definitely time to see a super detailed one, for that price! That's awesome - hope you had an awesome time - was it pretty massive in real life?! :D
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It is well & truly big in real life and plenty of room for 20 people plus guard on board.
Hi Sam I was planning on getting the arms queen mary and a brake van to go with it but for the price I am not sure
Ooh that's awesome Lewis - they're not too bad, there are worse value models, and they are pretty unique too - but don't expect tooo much ;)
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The protrusions on the sides were to help the guard to see forward around the train, otherwise they would have to stick their head out of the window to see past the train.
Cool! Thanks very much for letting me know! :D
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I like this van compared to some of the other ones even if it's a little older and more expensive I mean I do have five of them so I don't know what that says about me but I do really like it it honestly I prefer something that I don't have to fit a lot of parts on constantly let's be honest you're never really going to be working you're going to be working at it far away I never really close up unless you actually look at it close up so at that point the detail actually it's probably a little bit higher for me it's me It just fits a long freight train that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it
Yeah me too - it's pretty awesome looking - crikey 5 of them?! I bet they look awesome together! That's true though - it looks fine from any sort of distance, but there's no reason why it couldn't have been cheaper!
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@@SamsTrains the price didn't really bother me
Your Ocean wagons...
a) Are they 6 Plank?
b) where are they from?
Splendid video as always!
I think they may be 6 plank, or possibly more - they're from all over, I buy them whenever I spot them at train fairs or on Ebay! ;D
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Are yes what a nice review Sam.
Thank you Arthur! :D
Great review! That plank, detail part, is a step.
Thanks a lot Thom - I think you're absolutely right there!
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Hi Sam i agree with aperitor is right about them being steps, great model ,take care
Yeah I think so too - I should have thought of it really! ;D
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Looks pretty cool for a brakevan.
Thanks for the comment mate - I think it does too! :D
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I'm thinking if I collected British Trains, that I would get one but not two. I get it just to say I had it and maybe run it once in a while.
Sounds good Ray - I can highly recommend it! :D
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Tempted to buy this to be a brake van for my old hornby 040 called Queen Mary
Ooh that'd be awesome - a perfect match! :D
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Like the breakvan and the top! Might purchase the breakvan!
Thanks very much Austin - they are very awesome to own! :D
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I might make a custom wooden version of this brakevan
That'd be amazing - good luck with it mate!! :D
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They originally where built on the frames of ex LBSCR ac locomotives.
I thought they were built onto coach frames?! You may be right though! :D
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THEY ARE EVOLVING
haha they are!! :D
For your how many years on yt cN you do like what a heritage line would do and do a tiny fair or somthing with some locos giving break van specials that would be cool
That'd be great - I'd love to do that - good idea!! :D
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Well I have never seen anything like this before, in model or real life. I have to wonder if the weight of it might cause derailments if you have a long train going around a curve. I have a good selection of coal wagons and always make sure that the heaviest (usually oldest) are nearest to the engine. I think the price is a bit steep and I would rather spend my money on engines.
I know - it's super unusual! I suppose it could do with very long trains - but it's not massively heavy, just more so than I expected!
Me too overall mate - agreed!
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Awesome video! I love your videos and I was wondering if you could do a hornby duck review from Thomas?
Thanks so much mate! Sadly they discontinued them a long while ago, and I never got one :(
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I can’t help but imagine these on the Somerset and Dorset, behind a 9f maybe.
haha that'd be awesome! I'd feel sorry for any engine having to haul this along the S&DJR mind you ;)
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Love it and WANT it!!!!!!!!😁
Thank you!! I don't blame you!! :3
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Queen Mary Breakvans are the biggest in the UK. They weight are 25 Tons.
Yeah! Their size is pretty incredible! :O
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I got this one last Christmas to go with my Dapol a1x terrier
Ooh awesome!! I bet this looks massive in comparison!
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@@SamsTrains yea it's dose.
3:42
When you level up only 1 skill and forget the rest
And what would that skill be?!
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I've just ordered my second one from RoS for just £18.95. A great price.
Ooh fantastic - a very good price, enjoy it mate! :D
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The Queen Mary is also the name of an ocean liner, one of the largest built at its time.
It is indeed! It's a hotel now, if I'm thinking of the right one! :D
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Yep. In Long Beach, California.
And looking at pictures of it makes me want to rewatch TUGS again! God, that show is so nostalgic…
2:57 my quess is that those are footplates, but I'm not sure
Yes you're right - they're steps I believe! :D
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I love the bachmann queen marry but I’m not a fan of the price but it will be some what worth it
I agree Justin - it's a decent model for a silly price - as per lol ;)
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Hey sam can you do a review of the helijan class beyer garratt
I might do when they bring the new ones out - the existing ones are just too poor running unfortunately, otherwise I would!
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Just bought one of ebay and I unboxed it, picked it up and thought 'blimey that's heavy'!
Is it just me or does the F15 look like Merlin the Invisible? Maybe Merlin was modeled after it and two extra funnels were added but idk
It is very similar! Look up the N15 or King Arthur class - that's Merlin! :D
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Hey Sam what do you stream on is yt or twitch again great vid as usual
Tom
Hey Tom - I actually use both from time to time! :D
Mainly UA-cam though!
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Sam looking majestic in that blue shirt (insert plug merch)
haha thank you!!! Feel free to buy one if you want to look majectic too, lol! ;D
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More likely Queen Mary was a train spotter and she helped out at the local heritage rail site by operating the brakes in one of these. 🚂
haha that sounds very likely! ;D
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