First Listen -"House of The Rising Sun" - Bob Dylan's Debut Album (part 3)
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Dylan's arrangement of "House of the Rising Sun" owes a lot to a guy named Dave Van Ronk. They played together in Greenwich Village back in the day.
I always got the feeling that Bob pulled out all the stops when he recorded this album. For all he knew, this was not only his first, but maybe also his only chance to make it as a recording artist. Especially his voice, which he hadn't found the nuances of yet. Shredding his harmonica. Still finding his "voice" in his stories. I've read that his live performances before this album absolutely intrigued his audiences. They were apparently drawn to his difference as a folk artist. The "je ne sais quoi" that drew them in. "House" has such masterful guitar that mirrors his singing's emotions. That track is just about a perfect tale. A hint of what was to come.
@Mark Hodge, I'd love to have experienced one of his early live performances.
Or a Rolling Thunder Review or Slow Train era concert.
He said the audiences were drawn in or totally turned off by his singing.
Same as today...there's hard core fans and people that just don't get Dylan.
(I don't get harsh vocals so I understand, we all have our preferences)
@@michele-33 I'd sit enraptured by your description of it. So true that too many don't get Dylan. Not enough humans on this planet
Dylan is both Bobby Zimmerman and the rebellious rock star who performed Baby let me Follow you Down to booing crowds (during his 66 tour of England).
Hi Syed, the 'alienated and rebellious rock star playing to a hostile foreign audience' is Dylan himself - later, in 1966, when he turned 'Baby Let Me Follow You Down' into an electric rock anthem and went on his famous 1966 UK & European tour - facing hostile folkies who resented his new electric persona.
And he did it again at The Last Waltz
I knew you'd appreciate Bob's cover of "House of the Rising Sun". Masterful performance that stands the test of time.
There's a controversy. Some people think the Animals heard Dylan play this when he was in England and immediately recorded theirs...thus, beating him to the punch. 😉
He named Mary, Mark, Luke, and John as prophets, and I never noticed. No mention of Matthew. And, I love it. Since you are going back to early Dylan, you are getting such raw emotion. His version of House of the Rising Sun is so deep and sorrowful. You feel the pain. Bob is not afraid to sing it from the woman’s point of view. I think it’s a masterpiece. You are right about the transformation in his delivery. Magnificent.
Bobby Zimmerman is Bob Dylan, as is "the alienated and rebellious rock star playing to a hostile foreign audience," a nod to Dylan being chastised during his European tour for incorporating a more rock-like sound into his previous folk purity. (I"m sitting here in the heart of the American midwest enjoying the heck out of your reactions and analysis. You going through Dylan and The Velvet Underground has put a huge smile on my face.)
@Jeff Daniel, I should have read comments first. You already explained who the rebellious rock star was.
This is definitely my favorite music reaction channel. I rarely tune in to any others.
His voice... it's hard to believe he was only 20... sounds 100
The version of Baby, Let Me Follow You Down that Bob does during his 1966 tour might be one of his best live performances ever. His voice there feels so raw and the rewritten lyrics really speak to the moment. No track on that tour like this “traditional” gives a glimpse into what he was doing at the time
Syed, your reaction to House Of The Rising Sun is what makes this channel great watching for me. I feel like I recognise the expression on your face from around 12.00 - it looks like how I feel when I sit and listen to Bob. I think it means he's got to you and there's no going back.
I like how raw and gritty these performances are on this first album.
Dylan always makes me smile. Thank you 😊
So glad you're doing Bob Dylan in detail. You have so many amazing tracks coming up in the future.
This is one of the songs they electrified on the infamous Dylan & the Band 65 tour.
Yes. The version of this song on the "Live at Royal Albert Hall" album is off the charts! Well, the whole album really.
@@citizenghosttown You know it wasn’t really the Royal Albert Hall ? That bootleg album was recorded at Manchester Free Trade Hall. Didn’t bother anybody at the time ~ it was Dylan
@@stevewebster973 I do know😀
So delighted you get it: at his best Dylan is one of the best singers around! Learned from the blues singers of the '30s onwards that you can do whatever you want with your voice, as long as you produce an emotional effect on the listener. Expressive like no-one else.
Your comment made me think of a Sam Cooke interview..... I think it was Sam Cooke.
Anyway, after being told he had a beautiful voice he said, and I'm paraphrasing..
"...a voice doesn't have to be pretty as long as it convinces you he's telling the truth".
@@michele-33 Love this Michele.
Bob comes right out of the gate unguarded with his first album.
I think the alienated rebelious rock star playing to foreign audiences is also Bob. See Live 1966. He and the Hawks/Band had a rocked up version of Baby Let Me Follow You Down in the electric part of his concerts
At this rate it will take around 32 videos to get past Blonde on Blonde. Epic journey!
I agree, “House of the Rising Sun” best of the bunch
Love the playful sarcasm of the spoken intros on this album. Constantly commenting on the gap between rural/old/'real' folk and the more recent urban revival ('green pastures of...Harvard University').
My understanding is that he announced Ric Von Schmidt at the beginning of Baby Let Me Follow YOu Down because he had asked Ric if he could "borrow" his arrangement of the song before the recording and Ric said no... He recorded it anyway, but offered the introduction to give him credit as an appeasement or apology.
You might be confusing two stories. Eric Von Schmidt said in an interview that he was surprised that Dylan mentioned him on the record because he didn't play the song anything like him and he also added a verse. Eric also thought the chords Dylan used came from a Dave Van Ronk song. Eric thought his version came from Blind Boy Fuller but then felt it was more like Reverend Gary Davis version. Before it was "Baby Let Me Lay It On You" it can be traced all the way back to Big Big Bill Broonzy's "Don't Tear My Clothes" back in 1935. Eric didn't feel like he wrote it and pointed out Dylan says he first heard it from him, not learned from him. It confused the record company and they listed Eric as the composer on the album. A few years later they contacted him and were going to arrange to send him royalties, but he told them he had no rights to the song and he didn't write it. I learned this from an interview with him, and just checked and I see it's still on the internet. A search for "LARRY JAFFEE TELEPHONE INTERVIEW
(Eric Von Schmidt), SongTalk, 1993" will bring you to it.
The other story relates Dave Van Ronk's original 5 chord arrangement of the song House of the Rising Sun, which in it's previous history had only been played in two or three chord arrangements. Dave and his wife allowed Dylan to live with them when he first came to Greenwich Village and Dave, who became one of Dylan's earliest mentors, along with Ramblin' Jack Elliott, taught his arrangement to Dylan. According to Van Ronk, after Dylan had moved to an apartment with his girlfriend they later ran into each other and Dylan told him he was recording his first album, and he would like to use Dave's arrangement of Risin' Sun on it. Dave said to him that everyone knew he was going to be a star, but he'd rather he saved that for his next album, since Dave was also about to cut his first album and would like to release his version first. Dylan said, "Oh sorry, it's already in the can." Dave said he was extremely upset at first, but it passed and they did continue to be friends. The song had become considered a signature song for Dave at his gigs, but he stopped playing it and said he got frustrated when people came up and said "Can you do that Dylan song, House of the Rising Sun?". But also said he found humor and would say "a bit of poetic justice" when the Animal's released it after hearing the Dylan version (Hilton Valentine, the guitarist said "I just copied the Dylan chords and played them in arpeggios"). Then Dylan stopped playing it because people would ask him to play "that Animals song, House of the Rising Sun".
I love his "House of the Rising Sun." In fact, this album is on my very short list of albums with no filler songs at all. Every song is worthy. Along with "The Doors", Led Zeppelin I, Burl Ives, "The Wayfaring Stranger", :Blind Faith", and Judy Collins "In my Life"
Yo u owe it to yourself to listen to Dolly Parton's cover of "House of the Rising Sun", Her voice is magnificent on the track, effortlessly throwing off little note runs at the ends of words that Mariah Carey could only dream about. And done from the woman's perspective.
Isn't it a pleasure to hear this version of the Rising Sun after decade upon decade of the Animals? 🙂
Dylans vocal styles throughout his career has been his import instrument as much as its critiqued by singers . No one can copy his unique lyrical delivery which Danial Lanois describes as a Dylans unique stamp. His best attempt at purely vocals in my view is the duo’s he did with Johnny Cash he does only one I think on the Nashville Skyline Album but there are a whole bootleg series with Cash. To write long songs of many verses and compose musically in the many musical genre’s he covers is a feat in itself. Dylans discography is so extensive people make the mistake of trying to pigeon hole him. The amount of times he delivers the same song on his never ending tours is testimony to his immersion to the song and the emphasis he delivers on any performance varies musically and often lyrically. The new uncut Time Out of Mind compilation of takes gives some insights into his later era where his lyrics stand front and centre for recording purposes but to which Dylan does not do as often in his many live shows many of which can be found posted by fans on UA-cam. Dylan live is always a mixed bag of experiments
Your "platform... train" insight is outstanding.
Man...I can't wait to see your reaction to "Song for Woody" It shows dylans brilliant writing skills that are just blooming, and it's his homage to the greatest Folk Singer of them all.
The Animals also covered 'Baby Let me Follow you Down' under the title 'Baby Let me Take you Home', which pre-dated HRS. Great songs lend themselves to many different interpretations.
Baby let me follow you down, preformed live in "The last waltz ",
Really great version Syed!
Great Dylan performance. He really puts these songs across. And it's just him banging these songs out. House of the Rising Sun is an unforgettable performance. Everyone in the world has done this song, but Dylan's performance makes it his song. He delivers it completely different than anyone else. The Animals tried to get the Dylan feeling into their version but didn't quite make it. It's interesting that the Animals go out of their way to say they didn't base their version on the Dylan cover.
Some times I'm laughed at for enjoying reaction videos, but I tell them that I've learned a lot from them. Great example here, as I'd never knew of this Dylan cover of HRS. It is incredible. Chilling, and how young was he at this point/ debut album?
Just awesome, and thank you for it.
Syed my friend please please do all of Dylan albums from 60s and 70s you really really will not be let down
Because of the Lomaxes and the work of others, the Library of Congress has a huge catalogue of folk songs and field recordings. I believe I have heard it said that the Library of Congress has more recordings of House of the Rising Sun than any other secular song recorded for the project.
I'm loving you listening too a full album. This is Dylan VERY young , I would love if you did one of his 60s albums when he was changing the world
Excellent reaction.....your getting it!
Yes, that’s some good shit.
I’m really enjoying this series! Keep it up!
This album was released before he had even turned 21!
Bob was about 20 when he did House of the Rising Sun, but his voice sounded like he was 80 or 90. It give me shivers down my spine!
I don't think anyone would guess this was performed by a 20 year old with remnants of baby fat on his young face.
I'm glad his picture is on the album cover. Each album should have shown his likeness at the time of recording...
Great reactions but you're going to have to pick up the pace if you get through all of Dylan's albums because I'm almost 70 years old and I want to see them.
😂
masterful performance plus good comments mate
Eric Von Schmidt’s version was “Baby Let Me Lay it on You”. Late in his life he rerecorded it and sang the lyric “Bobby Dylan, he put me in the song/The song keeps rolling along/ I don’t get no royalties/But that’s okay”
The rebellious rock star playing to a foreign audience was himself.
He played 'electric' with The Band during the infamous 1966 world tour.
They were booed, people walked out, he was called 'Judas'....
I'm grateful some performances were filmed, especially Bob shouting *Play it Fu*king Loud* lol.
Wow, Dylan ❤️💯
Love this version hy bob
Baby Let Me Follow You Down is one of the best on the debut album. Even better live.
Awesome dude! On to the other original song
I really enjoy your insight, I am also so glad I heard Dylan's more accurate version before any other. Though the Animals cover is a great listenable track it does rather betray the girl & her tragic story.
Rising Sun: Never heard this version. Spectacular. Emotive. Excellent.
Contrast this song's feel and delivery to the pop-shlock (garbage) of so much music today. At least the stuff I've heard. Beyonce? Taylor Swift? Give me a break.
Dylan - genuinely good, genuinely popular. Genuine.
Dylan had exposure to different kinds of folk traditions while living as a poor folk singer in Greenwich Village. The influence of the blues and Appalachian ballad singing is well known. Less well known is his interaction with Irish folk singers like Liam Clancy and Tommy Makem. The least well known is the influence of Irish language, sean nos singer Seosamh Ui Heanai from Ard Thiar, Carna, Connemara. Some of the inflections, phrasing and pulse of his singing came from this ancient tradition.
Less than a year later he recorded an album of his own songs, The Freewheeling Bob Dylan, the most influential folk music album in modern times. He kind of regretted the selection of songs of his debut album as soon as it had been recorded and marketed.
I'm guessing he made a judgment call, appealing to the folkies, to ensure some popularity. His hindsight was 20/20, like all of us. He wouldn't do that again.
I'm glad he made the choices he did. It gave him recording studio experience and life experience in general without yet becoming a household name.
I'm glad he listened to his instincts and 'didn't want to give too much of himself away yet'.
Peace 🕯️
@@markhodge7 Yes, there were a lot of prestige and jealousy around in the Village at the time and he soon realised that he had material for his own album. After Freewheelin nobody could question him, not even he himself.
This is a challenging album for new listeners. You’ve really pinpointed the tension: while the voice may never sound more pure, the entire record is really the process of him discovering what it’s supposed to say. He hits the ground running immediately after with a string of about six or seven of the best albums ever produced.
Freewheelin is easily my favorite album by Dylan. You're going to see similar songs from this album but also a totally different side as well.
As others have pointed out, I hope you will compare this version of "Baby, Let Me Follow You Down" to his electric version of it just a few years later (official bootleg series vol.4: Live 1966 - The "Royal Albert Hall" concert
HIS NEW ALBUM IS GOOD SHADOW ...
Joan Baez does an amazing - and quite different - version of House of the Rising Sun
When Dylan was asked why there were so many covers on his first album, supposedly he said “I didn’t want to reveal too much of myself yet.” I’m pretty sure this is the version of “House Of The Rising Sun” The Animals used for theirs. Ironically, Dylan’s wasn’t original either but taken from Dave Van Ronk.
G’day Syd .
A couple of months ago , I was checking out the story of how a musician ended up as part of Dylan’s band.
Stumbled across another musician who found the actual House...... it is still there in New Orleans.
Apparently, at the turn of the 19th century into the early 1900’s it was a refuge and last resort for women with no future...... a hostel.
If your husband died or you were released from prison etc, you had no support and no hope..... only prostitution to survive or...... take refuge at the House of the Rising Sun.
The rising sun plate is still above the main entrance door....... not really a plate or a plaque, more of a mortar picture built into the bricks.
The article delved into the songs origins , who was known to perform it etc and who changed it into a man’s song rather than a woman’s.
👍🏼
Note that Bob Dylan recorded Rising Sun two years before The Animals. So who influenced who? And I think Woody did a country version of the song.
Dylan's sources for this LP were other contemporary white folk singers, or records "borrowed" from other contemporary white folk singers.
Another well-known folk singer of Greenwich Village, Dave Van Gronk, claims that he developed this particular arrangement of House of the Rising Sun (if you listen to Leadbelly's version, the arrangement was different). Then Dylan basically repeated Von Gronk's version. Don't know if that, for certain, is true. Of course, these folk songs, likely had a wide variety of arrangements, most of which were never recorded, and have been lost forever. Brilliant stuff.
Love his timing in this song.....he rushes the endings and then throws in a big accent on the guitar. It's a bit erratic. It works.
try Dylan's 'Make You Feel My Love". Dylan has a such folk background that he seems to go more to original roots of old songs. "Make You Feel My Love", is Dylan's, but covered by many including Adele and Garth Brooks and so many, but Dylan's version is different.
OK, Dylan was living on Dave van Ronk's (VERY famous early NY folkie) couch at this time & heard Dave rehearsing "House.." for his next album. Bob stole his arrangement & his album was released before DvR's causing a well known rift for a long time. Dave was a HUGE deal among folkies pre-Dylan. Best version: The Animals (1964), an immortal rock classic.
I couldn't find Dylan's most powerful on your list: "Masters of War"
I heard that the Animals learned of the House of the Rising Sun from this version by Dylan.
It was so funny what ric von schmidt said (in no direction home, i believe it was)) about how when bob dylan strated doing house of the rising sun everyone started accusing him of getting it from bob.. and dwhen the animals started doing it, everyone started accusing dylan of stealing it from them xD
In general., I don't think Dylan's debut is one of his better albums, but I love his version of "House of the Risin' Sun". For me, it's easily the best track on the album.
Dylan heard and liked chord changes Dave Van Ronk made to *Rising Sun*
Here's a short clip with Van Ronk ~
ua-cam.com/video/2LgFHGBu8NY/v-deo.html
Bob's first world tour in 1966 with *The Hawks aka The Band* after "going electric" was HATED by many folk music purists feeling he turned his back on his musical origins
Robbie Robertson played lead guitar. Here's a short comical clip of his memories ~
ua-cam.com/video/wXtow6a4E-k/v-deo.html
That Robbie clip is great. Thanks! Maybe Dylan was all about "doing something wrong", to shake everybody up. Get their attention, anyway possible. Ain't Bobby so cool?
@@markhodge7
I agree, he did like shaking things up at that time but he really enjoyed playing with a band.
He said being on stage by ones self can be a lonely place.. he enjoyed the camaraderie of having bandmates.
Some people think '66 Dylan was the coolest Dylan 🕶️
@@michele-33 The Band was his home
I never actually listened to his debut. Pretty much All the rest up til around 2000.
What happened to your dive into the beatles catalog? Seems like you forgot about them!
I think he needed a break from the boys. Too many lovey-dovey songs for him to handle.😂 He needed to branch out a little. His dive into early Dylan is actually good timing, because he's almost up to the point in the Beatles' path when they met Dylan, which had an effect on their songwriting.
Leadbelly has a version of House of the Rising Sun check it out.
ua-cam.com/video/y5tOpyipNJs/v-deo.html
And then there's the version by Joan Baez from about the same time period. Give that a listen and see what the purity of her voice does for you.
This version is much more traditionally American folk than the Animals version. The lyrics are much closer to the original.
Please listen to Ballad of Hollis Brown, With God on our side, and Only a pawn in their game.
Syed, bro, I know u know my name, ur the best at this, and so I suppose, because I can’t afford to donate, years now asking you to do ‘locked in the trunk of a car’ by the tragically hip, my names Tim btw, I expect you never will,just know the hip have an amazing following, more good songs than uve covered yet.. kk peace bro✌️🍻
"Green pastures of Harvard" -- weed.
Bob Dylan's original last name was Zimmerman.
I'm a musician and I just realized this. I've reacted to a lot of your reactions. And there's something that seems to annoy you about music being repetitive. And yet if you go back to even the earliest baroque music and music, you will realize that music is one-hundred-percent built on repetitiveness. It's just how you do it.
So I think when you're feeling that, you're not understanding the context of it, which of course how could you if you're new to it you know. But yeah it's not that it's repetitive that is ultimately bothering you.
Because all music is repetitive, including notoriously, hip-hop. So it's not the repetitiveness, it's the repeating of something that you're unfamiliar with and not sure about.
Dylan stole the arrangement of House of the Rising Sun from Dave van Ronk, who was a little chuffed cuz every time he played it after this, people asked why he was doing Dylan’s song. Then a couple of years later, the Animals electrified van Ronk’s arrangement and it was a huge hit, so Dylan couldn’t play it anymore, much to van Ronk’s amusement.
@Dan Jardine, I shared a link earlier of Van Ronk discussing Dylan and Rising Sun chord changes
Dave was also an awesome performer and unique character.
It's not surprising that he and Dylan got along..
Haha... Van Ronk was amused when Bob was accused of copying the 'Animals track'...
@@michele-33 peas in a pod. Van Ronk was a Dylan mentor, I think. Very funny man.
Bob used the original lyrics and then the delivery from Dave Von Ronk's version. Then the Animals used Bob's/Dave's version and had the hit !!!! Dave forgave Bob for using his version
this is his greatest cover , he doesn't cover much lol why would he 😂
Hate to burst your bubble but Bob Dylan wrote the song it's not a cover.
"House of the Rising Sun" is "sung" BY a prostitute. And it's about New Orleans. Reference to "Appalachian" and "English" is based on the fact that "American" folk music is based larger, often directly, on British/Scottish/Irish folk music forms.
Again: he "stole" Dave Van Ronk's arrangement, for which Van Ronk was PISSED until the day he died. If Dylan was anything he was ambitious; and he used people --- including Joan Baez -- to get where he wanted to go.
To hear Dylan tell it at the time, he travelled all over the country and actually learned the songs from the old bluesmen who wrote them. This is addressed in the "No Direction Home".
This first Dylan record is a bit rough. Promising, but ultimately not satisfying. He hadn't found his voice really. Too much Woody Guthrie and copying of other people.
dylan stole his version from DAVE VAN RONK
I believe that Dylan actually wrote House of the Rising Sun.
One of those old Folk songs that's passed though many hands and some rewrites but the core remains the same.
@@alphajava761 Original was written in the 30's but changed from artist to artist. Truly a dynamic song