A Lukewarm Defence of Fifty Shades Part 3: Freed
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 лис 2018
- Clickbait Title: A Eurocopter EC135?!
Well, here we are. I want to say I'm done with Fifty Shades forever, but given the legacy it's leaving behind, the upcoming slate of fanfiction-turned-novel-turned-movies, I'm sure we'll be back sometime. There's always more that I can say. I just can't stop talking about it.
Also Charlie Tango, Eurocopter EC135, is played in the film by a Eurocopter EC130 because Seattle noise laws prohibit civilian use of a helicopter as large as the EC135 within city limits. I do not know how this impacts Charlie Tango's safety rating.
Ana: Crystal Rhoney
Christian: Mike Rugnetta
Taylor: Mikey Neumann
Kate: Lindsay Ellis
Dr. Flynn: H. Bomberguy
SnowQueen’s IceDragon: Jenny Nicholson
“Charlie Tango” written by James Fairlie, Performed by Crystal Rhoney
Camera: Kara Artym
GarBox art: Magdalen Rose
Special thanks to Jenny Trout for her amazing read-along blogs and Anne Jamison for both her writing on the subject of Fifty Shades and fanfiction and for tolerating my emails.
Jenny Trout: jennytrout.com/
Anne Jamison: / fic
Written and performed by Dan Olson
Twitter: / foldablehuman - Розваги
Her whole story about how she ‘heard of this thing called fan fiction’ is so funny to me because you do not end up as a 30-something year old woman with the screen name ‘SnowQueen’sIceDragon’ if you haven’t been deeply in the sauce since middle school
I don't know if this makes things better or worse, but she was in her late 40's when she wrote the original MOTU fanfic, not her 30's
@@HotCrossJuns this woman was 100% on Usenet groups and, like, super excited she didn’t have to get fic through the mail anymore. Edit: for the record I’m pro-fandom grannies (not derogatory, this is just the term that’s used for women who have a history with fandom) and I would think her writing a fanfic that became a book series as a 40-something was really cool if she weren’t a deeply unpleasant person.
To be fair, not that the woman needs defending, I had heard about fanfic but never understood its merits until after I graduated from school. Though, arguably speaking, I may still be a ways off from understanding it. Every fanfic I have started has been in direct conversation with the original source, usually as a criticism or 'solution' to a perceived problem with the original.
And then, the longer I continue working on them, the more confused I come to be about whether they actually count as fanfiction, an informal essay, or a technically original work inspired by a few separate sources.
A slight tangent there, but basically it is possible that she is telling the legitimate truth. My very first 'fanfiction' was a school imposed assignment in middle school where I had to rewrite the ending of a perfectly serviceable short story. Not understanding why I had to do so when it was fine as is, I ended up basically writing an 'extended edition' of the ending of the story. It's something I can easily see someone unfamiliar with the point of fanfiction doing.
It’s pretty clear EL James is lying about how she first encountered fanfiction. There’s nothing inherently shameful about writing or reading fanfic but that woman is shameful for lying about it and being a massive fandom bully.
Help
A Lukewarm Defense has slowly transformed into a Merciless Dragging.
as it deserves honestly.
it was inevitable
More growth than the franchise itself ever showed, I dare say.
The defense was of the first movie, I'm pretty sure, as that's a position he maintains even in this video.
It's everything else around it that gets dragged.
Petition for Dan to start a series called, "A Merciless Dragging of..."!
"...Erika Mitchell, who hates women in general and blondes in specific," is such a good line.
It is, it didn't hit me until I saw it written 😂
So clean, so precise. I love it.
@@lastquarter3992😊
18:11 for people looking for this
"I read about something called fanfiction." Sure you did, lady. And I heard about something called furries and had a go at it myself, you know, for a goof.
Me to
Same tbh
i was just doing it for the bit
for a woof- I mean goof
Haha same, I sorta vaguely heard about this thing called “MLP” or something idk, and I just kinda had a go at it, for neighs and giggles.
I always dreamed about a dominant man that would start a petty argument over an email address...
I know! Petty arguments and abuse are the essence of happy relationships, after all! 🙄
*I T B O U N C E D*
But but but... He's pretty and rich...
i'd like this comment but it has 699 likes and that is too perfect
That’s what really made the “Christian is the real self-insert.” statement actually click.
"Baby, it's gonna take more than a malfunctioning 135 to keep me away from you."
Oh, I love Africa by Toto.
In this song they're experimenting with unusual time signatures.
omfg!! internet, do your thing!!!
"I bless the rains down in St Helens!"
best I could think of
“Gonna take a lot to drag me awaaaaay from youuuuu
Much more than a malfunctioning 135 could ever doooo”
♫Gonna take the time for some abusive behavior!♫
OH MY GOD I just realized that Christian’s freakout about the baby isn’t from a nervous father-to-be, it’s an only child finding out that Mommy’s having another baby and you’ll have to share her from now on.
It is, I'd wager, THE BIGGEST RED FLAG for abuse I can think of in that scenario. It's honestly literary malpractice that it's not addressed in-text with more urgency.
Holy shit, you're exactly right.
my goodness this is so freudian
so he's jealous of his new baby brother?? "No abuse in fifty shades #readthebook"
OH GOD EW EW EW EW YOURE SO RIGHT THO
I admire that costume designer. He put a lot of thought into subtle symbolism as well as selecting nice clothes.
Yeah, for something he likely knew was bad, and didn’t care about.
That’s the mark of a pro.
I agree!! I really appreciated his thought process🥺
yeah, a lot of people worked hard on this movie! the set designers also. a couple who run a polish movie review channel joked in all their grey reviews that they were watching the films for the really nice furniture in all the sets lol
That's Mark Bridges. He was the Costume Designer on The Artist, 8 Mile, Joker, Silver Linings Playbook, and I believe every single one of Paul Thomas Anderson's films (which includes of course There Will Be Blood, Boogie Nights, and Magnolia) just to name a few. He's one of the best Costume Designers in Hollywood. He too did not return for the sequels, and is another lost talent when it comes to this trilogy.
He spared us the jorts with swim trunks and that’s very good
I love that the major antagonist of this series is a guy that critiques and modifies other peoples ideas to make them better, and that the author seems to hate him so. much.
XD XD XD XD I didn't even think of that
I was literally going to point this out, but decided to check if someone had done so already.
The question is, is this more or less childish than the film critic in Lady in the Water being eaten by a shrub-dog?
I love that too! The author is so insecure! "YOU CALLED MY PROSE AWFUL! TAKE THAT YOU MEANIE!"
This makes Shyamalan look dignified in comparison.
Well. The idea that Christian is a self-insert is sufficiently horrifying. Thanks! I hate it.
In this scenario, we like to say: "Yikes"
Or "jinkies"
What can I say but YIKES.
We're fine! It's fine. Were fine. It'll be fine. We're FINE.
As soon as he said it, I thought "Damn! That makes so much sense."
What's chilling is that by writing a series of books that lionizes a narcissistic abuser, Erika Mitchell has gained the power to bully people in real life on a scale that she could only dream of before. She managed to become her own self-insert!
Well, at least until 'Fifty Shades' loses its "cultural moment" and Mitchell sinks back into obscurity. I checked, and she's got a new book coming out. We'll see if she can do it again.
My favourite part of Christian only employing blondes because they don't look like his Mother is that it implies that both Christian and by extension, Mitchell forget WOC exist unless explicitly reminded, and I have no trouble believing that implication.
+
I just want to give this comment more agreement that a thumbs up can do. I have NO DOUBTS that she didn't think of any ethnicity except white people and then... the one Hispanic guy who was a rapist, oh no.
+
Sequel called “50 shades of black??!?” Where Christian and Anna find out black people exist, and yes, it’s will be as offensive as you think it will be.
Or just like…he could have hired men…
Jack Hyde, fiction editor: at the library, taking out twenty books on How to Sabotage a Helicopter
Librarian: Ummmm
Jack Hyde: It's for a book.
Personally I think he joined a super secret spy agency for about a week to do in depth research for a spy thriller he was editing but maybe that's just me.
as a writer, this would have been pretty accurate XD, but not anymore bcs the internet is so much more convinient than going to borrow physical books
Did she wrote this before or after she is angry at Fiction Editor for wanting to change her book?
You are missing the point folks, it's a well known fact that all English Lit University courses include helicopter mechanics in their first semester.
Technically, it is.
"I like that line, it's funny on purpose." That.... is the most adorable, flatteringly savage insult I have heard in a while. Backhanded compliment done 100% right.
YES! This!
Time stamp?
Ra the Sun God 19:10
I kind of took it as backhanded initially as well, but it could be positive (well, slightly less backhanded), like "its funny on purpose", as in it's a joke thats supposed to be there, rather than a scene or line thats humorous because of how garbage it is
NinjaNipple Dog and like, the joke works? It’s awkward and funny and weirdly human? So... one good line of dialogue out of all of this
The idea of Christian Grey having a child to look after honestly horrifies me more than any of the darkest implications in the entire series.
@Thao Dinh There's that, too.
@Regularshowman I shudder at how truly dysfunctional this "family" will be. 😣
Look on the bright side: Anna will probably work hard trying to keep her kids away from their unstable, potentially-abusive father when he's not in an ideal mood, both by coming up with reasons for them to stay apart at such times and by making sure he takes out his anger on her before times when she can't stop them from interacting! It's all a part of managing Christian's emotions. (I'm not sure why I started that sentence with "look on the bright side".)
Especially if they have a little brown-haired girl 🤔
@@timothymclean God. And given how toxic basically every other person in Anna's life is... She really has *nowhere* sane to turn to.
When you started talking about "Grey", my dearest wish was that the author had given him the same internal voice as Anna. "She puts a plate of potatoes on the table--my favorite! My inner god whoops and does a mambo, wearing nothing but a toga. Double crap, I dropped my fork!"
The phrase "inner god" makes me super happy and I'm not entirely sure why
my opinion of the entire franchise wouldve shot up exponentially
It would have turned a relationship between a sadistic*, diabolical abuser and a dorky ingenue devoid of agency into one between a pair of dorks, one of which happens to be abusive and the other devoid of agency.
*Not the fun kind
@@timothymclean appreciate the distinction. there's definitely a fun kind.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why is Anna so threatened by blonde women when she knows that her husband is _psychologically incapable_ of getting off with anyone but a brunette who looks like his mother?
On that note, why isn't Ana freaked out by the "I get horny for you and want to punish you because you look like my mother that I hated" thing? Like, girl should be running for the hills with that reveal... It's what I would do.
because the author is projecting her insecurities onto the characters
@@abbie_joan so i take it as a given the grey is the self-insert for the author.
grey.
"gets off to beating brown haired mother stand-ins" grey.
the author's self-insert hates and abuses, and gets off in the process, to beating physically similar characters to herself.
sadistic, psychopathic, self abusive tendencies.
Because Ana is ALSO terrible.
Anna is a sadist, too. She knew she could leverage power over that blonde and there would be zero repercussions.
But, that’s probably giving the author too much credit.
Dakota Johnson actually has really great comedic timing. She puts a lot of irony in her performance of terrible lines that I appreciate.
Not enough for my taste.
Kye Dysarthria i mean, there’s only so much an actress can do to make those awful lines work. Props to her for even trying
I mean by reviews of other films and films I've seen myself her and Jamie Dornan are not that bad actors. I just wonder why they wanted to participate in this train wreck.
@@moongirl8807 Contracts and dollars. This seems like the kind of project that you tolerate because you'll be financially secure for years off the back of it. Also, I guess this was more enticing when it was Sam Taylor-Johnson running the show.
For a Twilight comparison, Robert Pattinson could happily go off after those films and do all the weird stuff he wanted. Admittedly he's now doing two big--budget movies in the form of The Batman and Tenet, but those are both helmed by big-name directors and I figure he's interested in the stories they're looking to tell.
@@blokey8 given the way he talks about the craft of the movie, it sounds like they may have signed on to a project quite different from what the 2nd two movies ended up being.
I just realised Sam Taylor-Johnson is blonde. Could that be part of the reason why E.L. James couldn't see eye to eye with her? There's no evidence of that, so we're forced to assume it was.
I mean, I have a lot of hearsay and patterns that amount to her not working well with any women as creative equals.
@@FoldingIdeas ...Jesus. At least Ana in the books could work with redheads and African-American women (well, the only one that appeared, at least). I already thought you were right, but it's kind of depressing to see that yeah, Mr Grey really IS the real self-insert here.
To be fair, Sam Taylor-Johnson is obviously a temptress and deviant and will attempt to steal ELJ's highly sought-after husband away from her
@@madpierrot6265 no its just because Ana hates blondes in the books, so its a joke based on EL James hating blondes in general.
I like it. If Christian is the self-insert theres almost a conspiracy here. Christian is a sadist and his trigger is women who look like his mom and apparently hair color is the strongest physical characteristic that triggers him. Because of this he hired blondes to work for him so he wont be triggered. Blondes are also demonized in the book to justify Anna getting all jelly like his Christian does from any guy who breathes around Anna. ELJ hates blondes but it would be too obvious If Grey hated them directly so she hid it in Anna's problems! *X-Files theme plays*
Imo the worst part of these books/films is that my mother felt she had learned all about kink from it. Then she tried to chat about it with me and I had to explain why the book portrays abuse and not kink. Obviously she pulled the "you're not an expert" card and I had to bite my lip as to avoid explicitly informing her that I'm a regular Dom at the local bdsm club.
Aha that sounds terrible-
Luckily for me, my mother already knows I'm a Dom and I have long since complained about the atrocity that is Shades of Grey's depiction of BDSM to her long before she got a chance to watch the movies xP
the "wElL Akshually!!!" discussion she truly deserves, imo.
Honestly if you ever feel the courage I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you pull that Ace out of your sleeve
Do it 😈
wait, so she pulled the "youre not an expert" card whilst definitely not being an expert herself. that sucks ass LOL i hope ur mother sees the light
something about seeing "YOU OWE ME A LIFE" typed in like. 12 pt. center aligned times new roman in the middle of an otherwise blank page in an evidence bag just made me freakin lose it
Jack: *SMASHES THE ENTER KEY LIKE A LUNATIC* YOU👏 OWE👏 ME👏 A👏 LIFE!
I know right? Seeing that made my graphic design ocd go haywire.
@@gailengigabyte6221 Every time I see the contract typed in Bodoni I want to find the props master and smack the hell out of them
IT LOOKS LIKE A WEDDING TABLE CARD IM CHOKING
I want to imagine the crew in charge of the props forgot about that piece and had to make it in a Drive document in a rush.
"Fifty Shades Freed is a 2018 film...."
A 2018 film...
A 2018 film...
A 2018 FILM?! HOW LONG HAS THIS FREAKING YEAR BEEN???
2018 has actually been two thousand and eighteen years long
There was an olympics this year. Do you remember it? I don't. It's been that long.
At least two or three years long. No matter how much I try, I can never shake the feeling that this movie came out in February of 2016.
They've put a time dilation device on election years we're trapped
Awsamazing Eden Preach.
"Wait, her 'hot, beautiful husband' is wearing jorts?"
"WAIT, her 'hot, beautiful husband' is wearing swim trunks UNDER jorts?"
*Dan blue steels me and I die*
Maybe it's a clever plan to keep the paparazzi from photographing Anna. I can see the headlines now "Billionaire Christian Grey is losing his mind and going broke. Vacation pics prove his financial and mental struggles."
He’s a never-nude. There are literally dozens of us. Dozens!
Tobias Funke anyone?
I know this is four months later but I always thought she probably meant a swim speedo or something of the sort. Maybe a difference in... colloquialisms (I think) like how a jumper is a dress in the American English - like in school uniforms - but a sweater in British English.
Admittedly it's a lot funnier to see Dan in swim shorts shoved into jorts though.
@@annme_87 He's such a caring boyfriend!
I have literally never been more shaken than upon hearing 'arse' in an American accent
I feel you. I needed to act in a play where the dialogue was clearly written for a British person, but we were FORBIDDEN from altering the script.
Imagine three American dudes saying “buggered”, “bloke”, and “coconut shy”. Fortunately, I changed “arse” to “ass” without anybody noticing.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick I would definitely pay to see a play like that. It took me a minute to remember what a coconut shy even is.
@@ChristieBrewster You really wouldn’t want to.
He's Canadian but still works
@@arandomcomment1092 Eh, we're basically Americans in accents, it's fine
"A fiction editor sabotages a private helicopter and firebombs a server" jack hyde really was the right character in the wrong movie
hes an ace attourney character stuck in a bad adaptation of a bad book and it sucks. he needs to be a set of 5 poses who has a third act breakdown in the courtroom when phoenix reveals he has jacks book on how to sabotage a helicopter
@@appointmenteerthis absolutely works because ‘Jack Hyde’ would absolutely be a Phoenix wright villain name. Why does this work so well.
@@themadhoffer5802 I mean, he has a name that screams "I have an evil face I hide from the world", he performs wacky criminal schemes that have no right to work out as well as they do, and his motivations are beyond absurd. Seems totally viable as a case in an Ace Attorney game.
All of you don't under stand. Jack's position was Fiction Editor. Fifty Shades is a work of fiction. Jack was editing himself into the story and cutting out the parts where security would see him when he broke into the building.
Why didn't he edit an ending where he ended up with his obsession?
@@sharkofjoy He's an editor, not a director
@@sovietcanuckistanian This sounds like an amazing pitch for a novel actually. "A world where the character can edit the story in which they are living"
And the sequel where everything is mary-sue garbage-inferno. Nothing makes any tension and story is about two hives trying to outstroke it's queens. Until the climax.
Yes, I'm dead.
@@sharkofjoy Because, as has been established, everyone in the series is either (a) evil, (b) an idiot, or (c) both. Hyde is both evil and an idiot.
Middle aged woman writes about a middle aged woman sleeping widths fifteen year old and is defensive about it.
Yeah something feels odd there.
Fun fact: Said fictional middle aged woman's name is Elena Lincoln... EL.
@@neonyoneo it doesn't get better does it. Ewww.
@@neonyoneo ....Uuuuuugh.... Goodbye, dinner.
Oh good, I have nightmares.
She won't be. Because something something, women can't rape, something something.
Does anyone else think that Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan having to drink to get through the shitty days they had to film . . . actually kind of concerning? Why wasn't anyone on set giving a shit that they might be in a weird headspace during filming? If the first director put so much time into helping them during filming for the first movie, why didn't anyone care enough to help them in the sequels?
Or maybe it was just because they had to put up with Erika Mitchell day in day out and I can DEFINITELY picture needing to drink to get through THAT hell.
You’re assuming that they’re the ONLY people drinking on set.
A bit late to the party, but I can't believe they didn't bother to find an intimacy director/coordinator for THIS KIND OF MOVIE.
Like, you need a fight coordinator to make sure the actors don't get hurt (physically OR mentally) doing their job. Same thing for intimacy. Otherwise you just end up with actors drinking to get through scenes.
"Why wasn't anyone on set giving a shit that they might be in a weird headspace during filming" Because the people whose job that was had been fired and been replaced by hacks who were there to earn their paychecks with as little effort and as few fights with Erica as possible, and everyone else...it wasn't their job and Hollywood isn't exactly known for being full of people willing to stick their neck out for no conceivable personal gain. Say or do the wrong thing, even something completely inoffensive, and your career can end with one asshole who failed Up calling you 'difficult.' No one's willing to do it over *actual* brutal rapes, they aren't about to start over cruel and insensitive direction.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick If half the cast & crew were drinking on the job, it would explain a lot about the movies.
I'd never be sober around EL James, for sure.
I'm rewatching these, and the bit of the man explaining why the costumes were chosen for Christian practically causes me physical pain. So many people genuinely wanted to do their jobs as best they could on the first movie, and that was thrown away for petty squabbles.
On the bright side, Dan standing with shorts and swim trunks in poor lighting, lamp still in the shot, is hilarious.
"Ladies?"
13:27
Ladies, one at a time, please.
♦would
I'm low key proud of the ppl who worked on the first film. It's so clear from the final product that they really could've elevated this movie far above the original text.
Studios need go learn that giving authors too much creative control is not usually a good idea.
Her calling him Fifty is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard.. makes me imagine her talking to 50 cent
I think that is a 70' or 50' slang, like it was taken from The Great Gatsby. "Don't you like it, sport."
Keyser94 Wasn’t there a part where she says something about calling him that because he’s “””Fifty shades of fucked up”””?
Eff me, fiddy
Gotta get back her skull
@@JackgarPrime That reference makes me so happy.
Congrats to Jenny Nicholson on her amazing performance as Snow Queen ice Dragon
I didn't even recognise her voice. It's amazing what voice actors can do, she's not a professional voice actor is she?
8Rincewind I don’t think she’s professional per se, but I know she voiced (almost?) every pony in the parody series Friendship is Witchcraft. She’s really good!
SnowqueenS Icedragon. Careful, E.L doesn't take well to people altering her creative visions
She's very good at portraying insane terrible writers specializing in toxic romances
I wonder why
@@Tareltonlives pardon?
Honestly, the _least_ they could do for the cover of a book titled "Fifty Shades _Freed"_ is to have the handcuffs be, y'know... _open?_
Freedom through the enslavement of the other aka Ana in this case
This will bother me forever
"Baby, its gonna take more than a malfunctioning 135 to keep me away from you."
That's not a flirt, Anna.
*That's a threat.*
Call the police.
Police EXIST in that world???
XD
I always read that line like the lyric from Toto's "Africa" 🙃
It gives the same energy as "When I'm done with you, let's just say horses aren't going to be called horses anymore."
"You're a man of honor. And you treat people well."
Excuse me while I go throw up my dinner.
Anne Mehlfeld I know right! I actually almost choked on my own spit because I snorted so hard when I heard that. Never seen any of the movies and I really didn’t expect that XD
Honor? You call tying young women to your bed and controlling their lives because you have a punishment fetish attached to an Oedipus Complex HONOR?
(Laughs in Zuko)
Good old Mary Sues
The Dom destroyed a small galaxy because of that.
*Dinobot wants to know your location*
Jack Hyde must have an 11-year-old son who provided him with a step-by-step plan...
Plywood is only slightly thicker than the human skull.
This comment should be way higher
12, he's almost 12.
You can always get bail by dropping the name Dominic.
DYING
One day I will forget my family and friends but I will remember that a Eurocopter EC 135 is the safest in its class.
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell, and the Eurocopter EC 135 is the safest in its class.
🎶 CHAAARRLLEEEEEE TAANGOOO 🎶
It's insane how pretentious and just plain mean-spirited as a person E.L.James is. It's unbelievable.
It's so interesting that her fantasy was being Gray, and not Anna.
I can't believe that woman's personality is more vile than her grammar.
Sounds like she'd get along great with JKR
@@damien678 Yep. They’re walking middle-class British women stereotypes
Not really, she's part of the British bourgeois, so many of the worst people in history have come from that cursed island.
And now, Dan is “freed” of this series.
So say we all.
Unless "Grey," Fifty Shades in Christian's pov, gets made into a movie. (It's basically Midnight Sun, and Twilight fans will know what I mean by that.)
Also I've read Grey, and if you think Christian already sounds like a serial killer in the 50 Shades series, try actually getting inside his head and reading *that* chapter after chapter. He also has is own version of an inner goddess. It's...bad.
zombiedrea Ye gods. Christian has an inner voice too? Ugh.
For now.
Grey was written by someone else, wasn't it? You think there might actually be proper changes?
Realizing that Christian is Erica's self-insert makes way too much sense. It honestly makes me worry for her husband. Hopefully he wises up and dumps her and she finds someone more compatible with her. Like Onision.
Graham Kristensen Erika’s not 16, so Onion boi wouldn’t be interested in her lol
OH BUT WAIT she does have money so maybe he might
@@elvellarambles9151 you win the internets
This is the best comment period.
But Lainey/now Kai is still with Onision and have two children :(
@Crow oh, don't forget the child sex too, something they both have in common! But I think EL James didn't go into much detail.
the concept of Christian being the self-insert is honestly the scariest thing about this whole franchise, *especially* paired with the author's comments that "this isn't abusive how dare you" -- definitely sounds like the "Christian Grey"s I've known, that's all I'm saying.
So tbh I think the wedding scene is tinted green because the wedding in Breaking Dawn was set in a forest... which was visually more green than the wedding scene in Freed. Basically they had no concept of meaning of colour grading, they just wanted to look more like Twilight.
Just a theory.
...dammit, that's probably accurate.
And sad
tbh I was thinking the same thing
I still want to believe it was a passive-aggressive choice made by a disgruntled cinematographer. (I am here assuming that cinematographers are the people who decide on lighting choices.)
Timothy McLean it’s the color correction team, but I choose to believe their hatred for this work is what drove them to tint the scene green, as you’ve said.
whats up with the implication that being in the foster care system automatically makes you a terrible abusive person? thats so.... uncomfortable
I've heard way too many horror stories for it to feel unrealistic that someone went through shit in foster care.
@@missmelodies52 thank goodness for Shazam!
Foster Care = Childhood Trauma = Lifelong Psycho-sexual dysfunction = Alternately acceptable kink or psychopathic abuse depending on whether your author identifies with you or not
...Apparently
Miranda are u saying that if u go through shit you r automatically a terrible abusive person?
@@chelseacresswell5046 I don't think it is what they meant. But I do believe that trauma, especially childhood trauma, leaves you with psychological problems, going from the manageable issues people deal with, to the crippling illnesses that can turn you into a sociopath, psychopath, etc.
So, the higher the likelihood of abuse, the higher the likelihood of issues.
Kids in foster care all over the world (I'm from Morocco) have to work extra hard to "fit in" with society and lead normal lives, I believe. Some just can't.
Just my opinion though, I could be totally wrong, on this.
Cheers.
Topping from the Bottom, now we're here.
I see what ya did there!!!
We don’t deserve good comments like this.💀
Underrated comment. I nearly choked on my drink
okay at least in twilight bella had the sense to google things when she didn't know what was going on like a real person and she had dial up internet.
I love the scene when she asks him to take off her top entirely because you can see Jamie Dornan start to touch the tie but then he like, jerks away. Like he remembered what his character is doing. “Yeah, sure, I’ll get that for you, Dakota, anytime. WAIT.” It just makes me laugh😂
Honestly, reading it that way makes it even funnier, like for a second he forgot (Or wanted to forget) how much of an asshole he's supposed to be.
It does amaze me that in this garbage film there is a brief moment of kinda deep empathy. The edgy hero realizes that the bad guy is essentially just an unlucky version of himself, and has to grabble with his own dark side and maybe even consider the humanity of the guy who wrong him and his beloved. But then his beloved is just like... "Oh no you're a super honorable nice guy!"
Jackson Duruy emphasis on ‘nice guy’ please...we all know how those end up being
I literally laughed out loud at that line, even before the video replayed how much he is not an honorable person.
Would not surprise me if Christian said this purely to elicit that kind of response from Anna
So what you are telling me is that you read the fan-fictions Masters of the universe and Safe haven, the Fifty shades books, articles pertaining to the source materials and production of the movies, watched the movies and interviews, then made three one hour videos just so I wouldn't have to do it myself?
What a fucking legend.
He's a great person.
On top of that, it seems like he read at least in part Jenny Trout's exhaustive chapter-by-chapter reviews of all 3 books (plus half of Grey, which she abandoned when it became too depressing), since he quotes them at least once. It took me something like a week to read all those recaps -- though they're totally worth it. (jennytrout.com/?page_id=5720)
I had this realization about 5 minutes into part two and I had to pause for a full minute to appreciate both the bullet that was taken for me and lament his being the one who took that bullet. No one deserves this kind of torture. Except maybe EL James, but she'd probably think it was true love.
I realized this in part one and I felt so fucking bad, I wanted to write some amazing stories for him in that moment so he would be cleansed
intimacy coordinators are deeply undervalued for movies like these and it’s heartbreaking (and telling, both off-screen and on) the differences in comfort between the actors for movie one vs. movie two/three
5:03 Anyone else notice how she doesn’t just say that she wrote some fanfiction, she has to weirdly brag about writing a ‘70,000-word novel in three weeks’?
And, fun fact, there’s nothing to be proud of in writing a 70.000 words novel in 3 weeks. Writing a books takes ages. As a writer I always try to improve my works and I’ve been working on a book for months now and I’m still correcting it and changing it.
@@jessicagiori6518 Granted, there are some writers that are able to just shit out great novels (Jack Kerouac, Charles Bukowski, and a few others). EL James is not one of these lol
Yeah. Like, I’ve done a seventh of they work in an evening for a university class. If I had the proper creative inertia and her lack of standards I could’ve put that shit away in a WEEK.
To be fair as someone who enjoys writing I felt very inferior very quickly.
At least the things I write aren’t 50 shades of grey.
I've taken the last five years to write my book. It's taken so long that reading the beginning makes me want to rewrite the entire first half again. By the time I get to the last half, I'll need to rewrite that, too. Yay!
Wait? So out of all the possible antagonists she could have chosen, Mitchell chose, as her primary villain, a man who hates Christian because he's absurdly jealous of his success, leading Christian to a moment of doubt where he questions whether his success is deserved, but he's immediately reassured that no, he really is a good person, and he deserves everything he has, and they live happily ever after.
...interesting
Gillian Corn I mean, if Christian’s the author-insert . . .
@@elvellarambles9151 I see no parallels whatsoever. What on earth are you talking about???
Gillian Corn Not a parallel I had in mind. I meant, Christian as the author-insert isn’t ever truly wrong about anything. So this moment of self-doubt isn’t cast as a moment of accurate self-reflection as it is an opportunity for Ana to heap more praise upon Christian.
@@elvellarambles9151 Sorry about the confusion, I was being sarcastic. That was the entire point of my original comment. Dan points out other ways that Christian is Mitchell's self-insert, but while listening to the description of the plot, it occurred to me that this was yet another manifestation of her inability to handle criticism, and her need to dismiss all critics as insane, jealous "haters."
Honestly, that was probably one of my biggest take aways from this series. Not that the books are problematic and poorly written (I already knew that), but that Mitchell is at the core a nasty person. Controlling, bitter, hypocritical. Even Dan, who is usually so cool, starts to show some genuine disdain for her as a person.
It seems there is a strong correlation between undeservedly successful people and people who believe in libertarian meritocracy (the idea that material wealth is evidence of good character). Funny, that.
"reading a book about the collapse of the western banking system" sexy
literally the only sexy thing about him really
Tara Jones Maybe billionaires read stuff like that like you or I would read a horror novel.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick for men like Grey a book on the collapse of the banking system is a horror book.
That is the only even-vaguely attractive thing about Christian.
Especially because this was meant to take place after the last time that happened, and it's specifically a book about how that was going to happen in the near future. In other words, I'm sure E.L James wrote that just thinking it would make him seem super smart and sophisticated but in reality, it just paints him as yet another Ayn Randian billionaire that probably bitches about the Federal Reserve all the time off-screen.
When a Helicopter is the most likeable character, something is wrong. May Charlie Tango rest in peace.
I think my low-key favorite thing about these books is how low key "Americore" they are. Everything from the dialogue to the landmarks mentioned seems like a strange caricatures of Americans and American culture. And it leaves out bizarrely obvious elements like the realities of living in urban areas in the United States, the fact that there are in fact a lot of mountains that the helicopter could've crashed into besides Mount Saint Helens, etc. It's sort of hard to quantify but it definitely reads like EL James got all of her ideas about America and Americans from travel brochures.
Yes! Or the casually incoherent way two characters who grew up in foster care together in Michigan just happen to cross paths again in... Seattle? Of all places?
"In America, they think 100 years is a long time, and in Europe they think 100 miles is a long distance." Many foreigners, especially from countries with robust long-distance public transit (hello Japan) severely underestimate how dang BIG the US is.
@@crackerjackson Dan mentions that Christian and Jack were in the same foster home in Detroit specifically. EL James was probably using Detroit as a shorthand for “grew up in a really shitty place.” Adds to that idea of her only really having a surface level understanding of the US.
"He's not even listed on the wikia as a minor supporting character..."
So... kind of a missing Linc, then?
*BRUH*
Good one! XD
Though I actually kept thinking about Link from the Legend of Zelda series. Now I'm crying over a picture of the Hero of Wind to bleach my eyes and brain.
Green tunics are better than green weddings, y'all!
Lol
You truly are the hero we deserve.
Not gonna lie, I would kill to see the original reviews of the Master of the Universe fic with the author getting into fights with people and all. That alone would be interesting to read.
Same!
It should be up on internet archive
@@shershahdrimighdelih Apparently it's not. It was mentioned in one of these videos that she hired lawyers to have it removed from the archive.
@@BenNemec The actual sites were removed but the mirror sites and blogs which featured the stories are still in the archive
At least we still have My Immortal
I come back and watch these regularly, often when I'm cleaning my house and need something playing in the background that makes me smile. Dan, you have created a masterpiece. Long may it reign.
I do the same thing!! I play these videos while washing the dishes XD
@@tvpivm me three!
I'm literally cleaning right now too! I thought I was the only one :)
Really glad it's not just me! I've gone through the whole trilogy multiple times by just having them in the background while doing odd jobs. There's something about deep, lengthy analyses that is so good for that.
ahh yess! i also highly recommend Jenny Nicholson and Lindsay Ellis for this
The whole "green means something unnatural" bit just makes me wonder. Wouldn't it be pretty badass if someone working on editing the scene was like "this shit's f***cked up, and no one should marry this guy 'cause ewwwwww on so many levels, so I'm just gonna make it alllllllll greeeeeen!"
I really, really want this to be the reason that scene is so green and more than any other in the movie.
Also, thank you for reading and watching and torturing yourself with all of this so we didn't have to. You deserve all the props and all the praise for such a sacrifice.
Bygonya Raya I also super hope that’s how it went down! That would be so right and satisfying even though we’ll never know.
If it was I doubt E L James would have noticed.
If that's true, they should've used green for the ending scene as well.
Same, but I think they wanted it to be like that because Emerald City = Seattle, which while a total flatline creatively and poorly thought out, it's the level of attempted galaxy braining being done here.
I watched that clip and my first thought was sort of in line with yours. I figured the editor(s) were from Tornado Alley. lol
Ana having basically no autonomy and the book justifying almost everything Christian does (and pretty much rewards him despite how shitty he is) makes so much more sense if Christian is the self-insert.
It also bears some incredibly troubling implications in how Erica Mitchell might behave in her own life, given how defensive she is of Christian’s actions.
It is and it is terrifying.
Now I have the image of Erika Mitchell in a dominatrix outfit burned into my brain.
Thanks! I hate it!
I feel like I'm going to have to puzzle over this for a while. It's just so jarring to consider a female writer using the male character as a self-insert, especially when he's so abusive to women. It's the opposite of the majority of romances. Even in books with questionable power dynamics and misogyny, the author seems to identify with the female protagonist even if she's not an outright self-insert or Mary Sue.
@@TheSongwritingCat I don't think is that surprising in this case. Mitchell clearly hates women very deeply. She's alienated as hell.
The most confusing thing about the email argument to me is... why did Christian send a professional email to his wife? Couldn't he just text her?
Following the patterns of his controlling and obsessive nature, he sent it specifically to test whether or not she had spent the first 20 minutes at work changing her email to his last name as a show of ownership/submission/prioritizing his comfort, knowing she wouldn't have done this because 1) she just got to work and 2) he knew she was uncomfortable with the idea, and it gives him a pretense to be angry at her. This is a legit example of abusive behavior.
What the other guy says . . . but also I don’t think ELJ/Erika Mitchell actually understood that, y’know, people text these days. She did also write in Ana jumping for joy over having gotten an iPod (not and iPhone OR and iPad!) with twelve whole songs on it.
Because an iPod with twelve songs on it is proof that a guy loves a gal in 2011 (which is when this book is supposed to take place).
He was written by a middle-aged English lady is why
Yo, guys, remember in the first book when Ana had to use her roommate's email address? Because she didn't have her own email address? Even though she was supposed to be a twenty-something enrolled in an American university? Lol, ELJ has no concept of modern technology.
@@elvellarambles9151 Honestly a girl being overjoyed that her boyfriend gave her an ipod with 12 songs on it is exciting, if you're 12 😂😂
I van say that some good came from the fifty shades series. The BDSM comunity came out of the closet. Not in support of this series but in retaliation to it. It came out strong against all the unhealthy aspects and I learned so much about consent, talking things through outside the bedroom before entering the bedroom and discovering what after care was and its purpose both physically and emotionally.... it helped me in my only relationships which isn't even a BDSM relationship, the comunity as a whole has a very healthy view of sexuality, consent, and communication that I found surprising and helpful.
That's true, at the start when Fifty Shades came out, I was furious at the misrepresentation, but conversely, it has admittedly come up as an excellent way to correct misinformation when the series is brought up in conversation. Before, we just rarely had the chance to talk about how BDSM actually has some of the most healthy relationships because we take our partners' feelings incredibly seriously and always check with each other on our conditions. I'm really proud of that aspect of our relationship philosophy, and it's wonderful to hear that it's helped you!
I liked that you unapologetically and straight up call out Erica Mitchell for her hatred for women, especially blonde women. I've seen other people try to beat about the bush, and say that Erica Mitchell "seems" to not like blonde women and that there is some misogyny in the book. But you outright say that Erica Mitchell hates women and "blondes in particular", and I'm grateful you did that!
To make the email argument even weirder, he had to travel to Anna's office. This means she probably left the house, he immediately sent her an email, and then stormed down to the office.
In all likelihood, Christian probably outran his own email.
This story is set too early for smartphones so probably he was just sitting outside in his car working on his laptop and innocently watching her office through binoculars at the time. Hence the quick commute.
@@irrevenant3 "Innocently." SURE.😀😬😨
Oh my god I hadn't even considered that.
irrevenant3 as funny as this comment is, this was set in 2011. Dude’s got an iPhone and can’t think to text his wife 😭
the costume guy is delightful. costume and set design are things that are critically important for any visual medium, and I feel like they often get overlooked. A lot of really subtle work goes into what we see and I think it's really cool to hear somebody explaining their work like that.
One of the things that fascinates me most about bad movies and TV is how many elements can have thought put into them and work while the end product is still a total failure.
30:48
I've been thinking about it since it was first mentioned, but I now realise that this exact plot point, "guy being afraid that child will take pregnant wife's attention from him", literally happens in _Waitress_ ... A story about domestic abuse. I rest my case.
I remember that movie. She was constantly relating her life to pie, wasn't she?
It is a funny point when you think about how she was bailed out of her miserable situation by a customer she was nice to, but because Christian is the guy with wealth he could bribe Ana into the prison. Since I have only watched the movies and listened to reviews of it, I am half convinced Ana is deluding herself about Christian and has been silently writing a parallel narrative to suit her tastes in such a way that keeps her chained to him when she ought to be running. Either that or she wandered into Tartaurus and is taking an experimental course of psychological torture.
It's also literally what happened to me. I was abused because my father couldn't accept that a child needs care. It's.. sadly real.
@@tangentfox4677 I hope you're doing alright. Masha ala.
Chapter 23:
-Christian and Ana argue about food.
Chapter 24:
-Ana and Christian argue about food (different argument).
LOL
This video series had more effort put into it and has more artistic integrity than the original fan fiction. And beautiful ending to it all.
The only thing in this whole tale of E. L. James that genuinely surprises me is how old she is. I think most of us who read fanfics at 13 swooned over overprotective and rich boyfriends who only cared about us and our safety so if this was written by a teenager i could totally understand the sloppy style and possessive behavior but this is a grown woman, she should have grown out of that expectation for a male protagonist and I'm concerned she is still perpetuating that type of toxic man in her stories
Nah, I used to part time in a book rental store and Harlequin monthlies with overprotective male protagonists are fairly popular among the middle aged mom crowd too. Doesn't have to be fanfic.
My theory for this: busy mothers and wives, especially if they work too, often feel underappreciated by their loved ones in our patriarchal society. So someone obsessing over them day and night, noticing their every move can be an enticing fantasy. It's like how bored kids daydream about epic dangerous journies or or a zombie apocalypse. You don't REALLY want to be in danger, but it's a fantasy that exaggerates an emotional need deep within yourself. In this sometimes quality doesn't matter. I've read my fair share of garbage fics just because I liked the concept
A grown ass woman who wrote weirdly misogynistic fanfic under the name SnowQueen IceDragon :S
@@fortheloveofketchup you've put into words what i have been thinking. fair point, well made. :)
I know, right?? I remember writing/reading overprotective bf and thinking it was cute when I was like 11! This women was what 45?? 47?? How can she not see how abusive her main guy is??? Is she brain dead or something?
i never really saw the fun in an overprotective boyfriend but ive been a (fanfic) writer since i was 12?? weird how a 12 year old wrote healthier relationships than an adult married woman...
After watching these videos back to back, I realized there might be some narrative purpose to the BDSM stuff being forced on Anna/not actually consensual: like the wealth thing from the previous video, it allows the viewer to engage in the "dual fantasies" of enjoying BDSM while still maintaining propriety and a sense of innocence. The viewer really likes the idea of expensive gifts, but doesn't want to seem like the kind of person who wants expensive gifts. If Christian forces the gifts, we can have it both ways.
The viewer likes the idea of spanky stuff, but don't want to seem like the kind of person who likes spanky stuff. If Anna never actively agrees to or pursues the kink, we can have it both ways.
It's still the worst and only makes sense if you wrongly assume only deeply damaged people would like BDSM. It's still bad storytelling, and Mitchell handles it poorly because she does not recognize it. It's still a dangerous way to portray the relationship. But it's there, I think. It's also why Anna is so oblivious all the time: she's not a perv, you guys! She's a nice girl! And nice girls don't do weird sex stuff, duh!
It's telling that my first thought about that interpretation was "oh, like all those old films about foreign villains raping white women as a way to satisfy old-timey ladies' interracial fantasies." That's some fucked shit.
I think this really makes sense. It’s the same impulse that gave us bodice rippers.
@@noesunyoutuber7680 jesus christ that's fucked up but makes so much sense
Agreed, that's why there's so much r*pe fantasy in the romance genre, even though it's largely written by women who probably very much dislike r*ape and SA. When female sexuality is so demonized sometimes women feel like they can only enjoy sex without feeling guilty if they pretend they don't actually enjoy it (set the scene up as SA). When you remove the choice, like you said, they get to have it both ways and don't have to reflect on what they want not going along perfectly with what society deems acceptable for them to want.
@@ericale9700 the reality is that it’s no more fucked up than reading or watching horrors, spy genres, biographies, crime docs, anything really. Do we really want thanos to destroy half of earths population? No. But it’s interesting to play out concepts that we would never want to live through. Dan actual explains this really well in the first episode of this series. I’ve never read or watched fifty but that’s cos the one page photo someone sent me suggested it was horribly written, not because there was some kind of bdsm fantasy in it. Ppl who don’t want to experience bdsm find reading about it interesting, just like they don’t want to actual experience the hunger games personally. It’s the experience without any of the risk. It’s tumbling into wonderland.
Why didn’t Harry just want to fight Voldemort because he digs fighting, or because he thought he could beat him? It’s a writers trope, you want your character to be basically forced into a corner but essentially make the choice themselves. I bet jk Rowling included that (pretty convoluted) scene where dumbledor says it’s Harry’s choice because authors know that readers prefer their characters to at least appear to make those kind of choices for themselves, even when the whole story has been written to imply they don’t have a choice. It’s just sex stuff that makes ppl uncomfortable.
Sorry, I’m going on here. I’ve suddenly become seriously interested in this. But think about neo choosing the red or the blue pill in the matrix. A famous scene, a great scene. Now imagine Christian saying that to Ana. No explanation, just here are two options with very little context. We only met recently under traumatic circumstances, pick a path and then die by it. It’s really interesting, if you consider it in a sexual context, consider what neo had just seen, how much of choice was there really? And they even make a point in the matrix of that dude whose name escapes me saying that if he had known he would have chosen to stay in the matrix. Imagine if the one pill was bdsm, no hold barred, and one was to move on with her life and never see Christian again. BUT she doesn’t know what each pill actual is, one is just ‘the truth’ or whatever.
Cheers for this. I enjoyed myself. Sorry if I rambled. The part where Dan explained this in the first video really interested me (if you missed it I recommend watching) it made me consider what media I enjoy and consume in a whole different light.
Most famous One-Liner of our generation; "Baby, it will take more than a malfunctioning 135 to keep me away from you." Stand aside E.E. Cummings, we have our true winner here.
Really makes "We'll always have Paris" pale in comparision
Can someone please explain that joke to me? How is it funny? I haven't watched the movies.
@@subrsubrr334 it's just really awkward, clunky, overly specific, and tonally odd. The phrase "it's going to take a lot more than X to Y" is a cliché phrase at this point, both because it involves a character voicing usually internal thoughts in an odd way, and also having been so overused by poor writers in the past. To take that phrase, which itself is already a little silly, and insert such an overly specific and weird thing ("a malfunctioning 135 [helicopter]") just heightens the absurdity even further. It's so cliché, so cheesy, and so over the top, but it's also too absurd to be familiar and heartwarming. It's the perfect storm of poor writing.
@@jayfraser3188 Umm . . . a little disappointed to be honest - I thought it had some kind of significance in the plot. I mean, it's not good, but it's not SO bad that Dan kept referencing it so much.
@@subrsubrr334 I think part of that is because it is so arbitrary. Dan mentions it a lot because it's a key plot point: it's how Christian almost dies, and is supposed to be a huge dramatic movement that pivots the villain into absolute evil. However, it's given so little build up, and when the threat occurs, Christians safety is established so immediately that rather than providing tension and raising the stakes, it just falls flat on its face. It could have been a story about Christian getting slapped in the face with a fish, for all the narrative takes it seriously. Dan plays on it a lot because it encapsulates so much of the absurd, arbitrary, badly paced and handled structure of the entire thing.
I literally gasped when I saw that this was up; I couldn't believe it. This series has been so oddly captivating for me and I have no idea why. let's DO THIS.
I genuinely started hyperventilating i was so stoked
“Anna more or less excepts that her life now consists of managing Christian’s emotions for him” This video series has done more to teach me about toxic relationships than the 50 Shades series as well as the majority of romance novels in general.
Anymore, when I'm refilling my water bottle, I remember "mm mmm, good old municipal tap water" and laugh. Thanks, Dan!
I've incorporated "good old municipal tap water" into my normal vocabulary tbh
that reveal at the beginning of the video killed me and sent me to heaven
This is true I was there at the funeral I gave the eulogy
Well it was really one of several eulogies but you know what I mean
@Maeve B
My smile couldn't have been any wider lol! 😂❤️
"It bounced. There's no xX_SSJ5GOKUVEGETA420_Xx at SIP. There is no SSJ5, PERIOD!" Christian was livid. His eyes darkened. His hands clenched and unclenched. He knew that I knew that he regarded Dragonball canon as sacrosanct. I knew there was only one way to defuse this particular spirit bomb.
"There is in my fanfic! Vegeta is mortally injured in a skiing accident, thus triggering Goku's ascending to a higher level! Besides, in Super..."
I faltered as I spoke the words, knowing it was too late as well as I knew the wrath that was soon sure to issue forth.
"Stop!" I could see the energy sparking from him. This was serious. He was on the verge of unleashing his Final Explosion! "Not. Another. Word" he growled. "You know I haven't watched Super yet and fan fiction doesn't count-" the words died on his lips as the realization of what he had uttered dawned on him. Neither of us had the capacity to understand any of what transpired in the microseconds that followed as our entire universe collapsed under the weight of the ultimate taboo.
this... this is a masterwork
fofalooza This is glorious. Half of me is utterly confused, but it’s glorious.
Incredible!
😂 wonderful
What ?
How ?
No, wait, WHY ?
author lady acting like she has no idea what fanfiction is, yet being a celebrity in twilight fandom gives me life
The discovery that Christian is EL James’s self insert is really incredible and definitely accurate.
Also imagine fighting this much with your partner.
Imagine fighting this much with your partner and NEVER fixing it, and then having CHILDREN??
If Dan has deduced correctly, I am fearful for E. L. James' poor husband.
Right? That's just- I can't even imagine- like why??? They should just break up for everyone's sake at that point-
I think something I found additionally infuriating in regards to Anna's naiveté about anything sexual is that, if I'm remembering correctly, Christian literally gives her a list of all the things wants to do to her, /and/ a laptop, and tells her to google anything she doesn't know....AND ERIKA LEONARD NEVER HAS HER DO THAT!! ANNA JUST GOES "HUH, WHAT'S THAT? GUESS I'LL NEVER KNOW ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
Yeah I've learned more about BDSM and niche sex acts by stint of 1. being an anthropology major, 2. just being around on the internet, and 3. natural, aimless curiosity.
@@FiddlebirdBlue same, except for the antropology major part
That'd be comedy gold
Just picture that - Anastasia, young, pure, innocent Anastasia sitting in front of her computer, eating a snack and reading the list, and then she googles something she doesn't understand and then she just chokes ( -that's kinky- ) on her crackers or something at the search results XD
Forget that, I found it more baffling that a literature college student like her didn't have a laptop in the first place. How the fuck did she graduate then????
if she googled any of it she'd realize exactly how psychotic christian is and the movie would be over.
Hah, this was amazing! And Jenny's British accent is really good!
👌👌
Yeah I didn't even recognise it was her. When I saw her name in the credits I went back to listen to it and I can just about hear her through that stereotypical American pantomime of an English accent.
It's you! You're awesome! And lol yes it was.
Holy shit, I didnt even notice it was her, but yeah, when I went back and listened, you can totally pick out Jenny's laugh. Wow!
Mind giving a time code for where you went back to? ;)
Four years later and I still screech with uncontrollable laughter at Dan's "Mr. Gray will see you now" with the cut off shorts on. I'm in tears!
I legitimately didn't know until right now that Erika Snowqueen L Jamesdragon was British this whole time. I feel ashamed for my people, which admittedly isn't new.
Creating E. L. James is at least in the top 5 worst things Britain has ever done
Is it kind of telling that the fiction editor is the bad guy or is that just me?
Telling that EL James has the mental maturity of a 13 year old on deviantart that hates any sort of criticism? Yes, yes it is.
Firemoon Alice31 Yo don’t drag 13 year olds on Deviantart like that!
Holy shit. This blew my mind, Cameron.
Absolutely! This is some Chris-Chan shit
Hmm. Good point but that one's probably a coincidence. As far as I can tell, she wrote Jack Hyde as an editor long before the possibility of publishing herself was even a blip on the horizon...
"and Christian insinuates that Ana is cheating on him with her client"
Well, to be fair, Dan, that client IS Clark Kent.
He is so damn attractive. The eyes!
To be fair it's Derek from Teen Wolf who is HOT so... I mean... xD Plus the image of him in glasses like Clark Kent in Supergirl is just... love. I love it. XD
Ladies, if you find yourself torn between a Clark Kent and a Christian Grey- choose Kent. Every time.
Ol' bunny teeth sourwolf
Very salient point.
I don't know why the belting of "CHARRRRRRRLIEEEEEEE TAAAAAAANGOOOOOOO" was so much funnier the second time but I'm still chuckling
Here’s what I’m curious about, did Mitchell write all of the “Ana impresses the publishers with her innovative ideas, like online hits translating to sales, etc.”, while she was trying to shop her fan fiction to real world publishers?
Do you think she consciously or subconsciously wrote Anastasia as what real life Mitchell believed about publishers?
For example, was Mitchell thinking, “I could come in here, with no experience & I’d be running this company in a week, because I’m the smartest person in the room”, so Ana’s meteoric rise in SIP was more a commentary of how Mitchell viewed publishers?🤔
And a fiction editer is the main villain. It all makes since now
Robin Hood (2018) and Fifty Shades are in the same extended universe.
Can't wait for your coverage of the Battle of Charlie Tango.
Why would you say something so brave yet so controversial.
what? why would you hurt me this way
Top 10 Channels I Didn't Expect To See in This Comments Section
😂🤣😆
Go. Away.
"That was good for us as producers because he lived with... these books" gets me every single time.
Anonymous: "This is not a book to be lightly tossed aside. It should be thrown with great force."
Dan: I got you.
I'm kinda whispering into a hurricane of stupidity here, but there's an overlooked but to me incredibly annoying inconsistency with the helicopter: someone with the knowledge and means to sabotage the engine should probably know that engine failure is survivable, and something that helicopter pilots routinely and explicitly train for. It's called autorotation. Also, the EC135 is dual engine, so losing both would be a little suspicious even before coming in for a controlled landing, albeit on rough terrain. Not a good way to kill someone, and not a good way to make a murder look like an accident.
Well, it is the safest in its class after all
"Yes, let's bulldoze the house my wife likes" us quite amazing.
Jack Hyde may have been a fiction editor, but he worked as a high level CIA operative to put himself through college. It's all in the backstory.
Bloodshark123 Oh no. He strayed from the lore of Fifty Shades of Grey. Whatever will he do?
Because that was a serious statement and not an incredibly obvious joke, you special little man, you. Good sleuthing.
Now seen in the new spinoff series, HYDE.
fifty shades in hyde-ing: the jack hyde story, coming to bookstores summer 2019
Jack Hyde was played by Colin Farrell in The Recruit (2003).
Erica is honestly the worst kind of writer. Feels entitlement about her property. Thinks she controls the fans and she does. Is allergic to adaptation changes. All while copyrighting someone elses work.
Now we know where addison caine gets it from.
Katalin Eszter Tóth both of them are huge hypocrites too. They were fanfic writers, they of all people should know the value of transformative art and interpretation and the importance of fans.
@@xxgirl101xx A thief will cry the loudest when they are being stolen from.
Katalin Eszter Tóth honestly fanfic writers who just change the names of their fanfic then publish it kinda suck. They give the rest of us a bad name and make people think that every professional writer who’s written fanfic in the past is just repurposing old fic.
Even worse, she clearly thinks her work is above reproach. There's no other explanation for her extreme resistance to changes to the work in general than that she believes nobody could do a better job than her.
Jack Hyde, Fiction Editor: *exists
Every single hacker, technician, electrician, kidnapper, and kingpin in the world: Why do I hear boss music?
All I got from this is that E. L. James is insufferable, her books are shit, her characters are horrible, and Jenny Nicholson is awesome.
Okay, but really thank you so much for putting yourself through the torture of reading/watching Fifty Shades of Crap to analyze for us all!
I was looking to the comments and waiting for someone to compare is video to Jenny Nicholson's.. So you noticed that his video is almost verbatim to Jenny Nicholson's then? In my comment I went as far as to say that I would almost call this video plagiarism.
Jenny Nicholson is one of my faves, she's so great.
@@MrAdryan1603 chill, they're friends. They probably have similar opinions because they discussed it together. But this video is still very different from Jenny's, I watched them both.
@@crazyweirdgirl115 Oh, okay. Thank you for that bit of information, that makes more sense now. Cheers
@@MrAdryan1603 no problem dude
I'm not even a minute in and i'm dying of laughter. the swim trunks description. the following image. 12/10 most attractive look to exist
Why couldn't that have been the thumbnail? I died
That was puuuuurrrrre perfection. :D
As somebody who actually works in publishing, the thought of any of my colleagues doing absolutely any of this shit is incredible. It's like Armageddon but instead of miners they're all marine biologists. WE'RE ALL A BUNCH OF BROKE NERDS OKAY. WE DO NOT OWN HELICOPTERS. WE BARELY EVEN FUCK. I GUESS SOME OF US ARE KINDA KINKY BUT 1/3 AIN'T GOOD.
I cannot think of a group of people less likely to engage in this sort of behaviour than publishing folks. It's absolutely buckwild.
Like idk maybe it's like RELX or something and "publishing" is covering a bunch of general data analytics etc so it's more of a tech company and that's why they have highrise offices and they're able to pay $500k bail but I never got that vibe.
Are you telling me you don't all have half a million in bail on hand?
The reason for Christian never getting over his other "damage" is actually pretty self-explanatory if you keep in mind that it's just Twilight with the serial numbers filed off. Edward is also wildly controlling, and only relents a little when Bella becomes a vampire in the last book. It even explains Christian's "safety obsession" when buying Anna a car from the previous book. There is a whole sub-plot in Twilight about Edward getting Bella a "rocket-proof" car to keep her safe. Christian is the way he is, not because he's a fully fleshed out character with his own motivations and rationalizations for his actions, but because that's how Edward was in Twilight.
Honestly, the "accidental" pregnancy thing is also cribbed from Twilight, as is Anna's lack of ambition. Bella doesn't have any goals or plans for her life post high school other than "be a vampire". Anna can't become a vampire, so she just doesn't have *any* goals or plans at this point in the novel. Honestly, Christian's fear that the baby will split Anna's attention instead of just fearing that she'll die in childbirth (I realize that this is relatively uncommon now, but the US *does* have the highest rate of maternal death from childbirth in the industrialized world) is the only thing in the entire series that isn't either stolen whole cloth from Twilight, or meant to replace a fantastic element of the original.
there's something to be said here about how sometimes fanfiction using existing characters can be to the story's own detriment as it tries to fit a square peg into a round hole
That shot of the book flying was wonderful. And the song. This was a treasure.
I love that he reused it for the NFT video, too
I think Erica Mitchell has a vendetta against fiction editors, since she kept arguing with the editors who were trying to do their job with her fanfiction. Jack Hyde feels like a manifestation of that, from how creepy and wreckless he is.
jenny's been killing it as "haughty author" since 2018
Watching this video series for the 691st time, I noticed for the first time this text in the video description: "Also Charlie Tango, Eurocopter EC135, is played in the film by a Eurocopter EC130 because Seattle noise laws prohibit civilian use of a helicopter as large as the EC135 within city limits. I do not know how this impacts Charlie Tango's safety rating."
How could this not have been in the video?! This changes EVERYTHING!
Anyway, thank you, rewatching your media analyses and documentaries are the best possible use of my time.
"An EC130 can't depict an EC135!" It's called ACTING buddy look it up
Natural green ambient lighting is sometimes a warning sign of a tornado, or a severe thunderstorm. It is pretty off putting if you experience it in real life
I've seen it once in my life. A tornado was on its path to destroy the area in which I was living--there was an actual tornado warning, I believe. By some miracle or whatever you want to call it, it went back up into the sky and touched down somewhere else. I really thought that I was going to die that day. The area that got hit after it touched back down was devastated. I wish it had just disappeared. I never want to see the sky look like that again. It was saying, "This is it, this is Doomsday. Prepare for annihilation." Now whenever there is just a thunderstorm, I'm afraid that it will lead to a tornado. I'm not sure I'll ever get over that fear.
@@HououMinamino It can be hard to get over. You definitely got lucky. Tornadoes are so weird. They'll take one person's whole house, but the one next to it will be intact. The unpredictability of outcome is part of what makes them so traumatic
The severe thunderstorms can be pretty tho, so long as youre in a safe area.
I have experienced it, before I knew much about color theory, and let me attest that it is genuinely, viscerally, instinctively, undeniably frightening to experience ambient green light IRL. I felt this terrible, intense sense of foreboding, to the degree that it felt surreal. I remember looking down at my hands, thinking that it looked like I was underwater, turning my hands over, and wondering if I was having a vivid nightmare. Thank God for instinct because I was playing outside at the time and only this animal fear and accompanying, unconquerable urge to hunker the f***k down got me back inside in time.
It wasn't a tornado, it was an epic thunderstorm. I would almost definitely have gotten hurt if not for instinct putting my butt in gear. It felled seven or eight trees on our property and dropped hail the size of concord grapes, which wrought considerable damage too. Flash floods, wind speeds exceeding 35mph. Thunderbolts and lightning, very, very frightening.
I headcannon that its to signal how awful Chris and Anna's relationship is