"We're never going to build anything on this land. We just want to own it so you dont anymore." - America - Because freedom is always free when other people pay for it
Tyni 2short Try looking for contact the information of Cynthia Copeland at 3:17 - shes the director of the Seneca Village Project. She could probably help you! That’s really cool. You might be able to figure out your whole family heritage! You should REALLY contact them though bc they say they haven’t yet found a single descendant from there! You could be the first! That’s awesome!
How’s your search coming along? I’m here bc of a tic tock video. I had no idea about this! Why don’t they teach us this in school? Instead why get cheating ass Christopher Columbus
Let's just make it plain and simple , they didn't want Black folks to have anything . Racism is everywhere even now . A museum should be built there so people know the history of Seneca Village and not Central Park. Maybe they should change the name to Seneca Village Park .
Seneca village was also made up of Irish and German immigrants who were treated equal to blacks, there were Irish slaves too ya know and they sold for 25% of what a black slave was sold for lol Im Irish
Clearly schools aren't teaching this, you have to become a journalist and seek the truth on your own these days and not believe everything people say. I graduated high school 11yrsv ago, never even heard of this until today
Manhattan is where many of the most popular restaurants and high rise builders are present today. This land belonged to African-Americans. Gentrification is not brand new, but is still happening today.
@@314jrock same shit ALL ILLEGAL . pilgrims dont owe shIt to be gentrifying or emiment domian on OTHER PPL LAND!! Where tf is THEY land at tho????thats the Real question. We get n OUR Land back period AmErican Origines will Rise back to thier Normal Wealth and Land they come from
@Not Me “blacks” “native Americans” and Latino descent are all from Israel. No need to argue if the two are different. The only thing that separates the three, is the destinations they arrived to in the 1500s slave trade
How do you get Reparations past due from this documentary? The residents were played for their land just like in all cases when the state takes over land. The state always tries to pay the least since it is working for the tax payers both black and white.
@@kevinchambers1609 in this case and the year and time, do you think that the state was working in the interest of Blacks(ADOS)? Do you understand what Redlining is, or Jim Crow.
WAY PAST DUE! America actually gave The Jewish community, living in Germany, reparations but there's always a problem when it comes to Black Americans, who live in America may I add, getting our reparations. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
@@jjryan1352 it's descendants, there is another video with one of Andrew Williams, one of the residents of Seneca Village at that time, 4th grand daughter.
Seneca Village was recognized development from 1825-1857! Boundaries from 82nd-89th street between 7th and 8th avenue. The community was comprised of not only a Black population but an Irish and German population. In those times the Irish were also discriminated against because of their Catholic religion,they spoke Gaelic their native language, Irish need not apply signs flourished and were characterized as monkeys in Irish clothing style! The Black and Irish population both had adequate little homes which spared them from living in the overcrowded and crime infested tenant buildings! The City of New York used eminent domain falsely stated this group of people lived in squalor! The City was able to claim and clear this area. You can visit this area in Central Park!
How big was the area… how many ppl we talkin? Like how many legit owned buildings destroyed? Or were they just sort of squallerinf but maybe they should’ve gave them houses… it’s impossible tk imagine what it’s like back then really without living it.. this was not mentioned in the Olmsted documentary I watched:. But if there is a way to find out I would want to
The interesting thing about Seneca village too was that during this time Irish and German immigrants also joined and was an early example of racial harmony in the country at that time before the goverment swooped in and used Eminent Domain. Even though they were compensated for the land, I still don’t like that it’s constitutional for our goverment to just seize land for any reason they see fit regardless of if there is compensation at all. In addition to that, regardless of if you’re apart of a black power/progressive movement or not the fact that things like this was always done by a government throughout history should make y’all question any proposals to expand the government’s power.
Those immigrants coming here were poor so they had no choice in where they had to live but a little money and their skin color changed all that real quick .
There is a book about Maritcha Rémond Lyons and it's based on her memoir. It's called "Maritcha: A Nineteenth-Century American Girl". The author is Tonya Bolden.
Loving this one thanks for sharing very important information giving thanks blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work 🙏🙏🙏🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲💪💪💪
This is my family I'm a descendent of Albro Lyons Sr. WE OWNED OUR PROPERTY! If you live in Ohio, New York, Georgia, Florida, Pennsylvania you are as well Lyons My family is black and Iroquois Indian. I've done my research. AND IM COMING FOR WHAT BELONGS TO MY FAMILY!
Thank you for this enlightening glimpse of Central Park. We learn too late in life the true history of how our nation expanded. Without knowledge of the past we are doomed to make mistakes in the future.
Please help find all the descendants. 🙏Reparations are super important! This was generational wealth that was striped. I feel the pain. My family has lived in NYC for 5+ generations and I recently found out I have mixed blood. My great great grandfather Pop Carrol played piano in the silent theaters.
@@kevinchambers1609 Not paid the actual, proper value of their property. In addition, just because one is paid, doesn't mean the forceful moving of families out their homes without choice, was warranted.
@@kevinchambers1609 You know damn well they were not paying African-Americans the proper value for that land. People like you always want to sugarcoat history they had no choice they took their land by force and gave them pennies to relocate.
I tracked some of my relatives living with an African American couple and their young children who I think actually owned the building or living space, as well as a young Irish Catholic man from Dublin who I think ends up getting married while living there, two Italian children/teens (they may have actually been friends visiting with a couple of the other children), and a Chinese family as well... I believe the husband was listed as being from Shanghai and his wife was listed from Canada, and they had a son close in age to the Italian kids and the African American family’s oldest child (I think a son), as well as a younger child close to African American couple’s youngest child. The husband was listed as a freed slave with no place of origin I can remember and I think his wife was born in the northern part of the United States and I thought their last name was Whitehead. On the side of one census sheet, I noticed “help” written near the African American family but it was crossed out. So, I’m pretty sure the census taker wasn’t expecting them to be landlords, which it seemed that they were. I also think the census taker had to redo the sheet a couple times, I always like to imagine about five different languages and people of all ages talking over each other at the same time to the guy at the door. Lol The last name of the elderly couple I am related to was Romani and I believe they were Catholic or East Orthodox, on each census I was able to find (they were free previews on Ancestry before I bought a test kit for my now passed Grandpa) I noticed a couple misspellings, some sounding more Yiddish and others actually spelled like Romanized Chinese names, one was “Hu-Men Yi” I believe, but I think the first name on that census was Julius or Michael (for the man) and those are actually namesakes in my family, on that side to this day. I think the entire dwelling was trying to understand what their name was and wrote down their best guesses. At the time, I think they were from Austria-Hungary but that empire switched names and even leadership so much. They likely spoke three languages and probably had very heavy East European/Russian accents with heavy trilling so, I think that would have caused some healthy confusion. I’ve been teaching myself a both Korean as well as Japanese pronunciation and I noticed in most East Asian languages there are no heavy R sounds... so I assume their son was trying to navigate both Chinese and English from his parents and whichever East European languages (plus Latin) my relatives were tossing into the mix. Romani is actually labeled surname for people who were traveling as/with or were born a “Gypsy” in parts of modern day Eurasian countries. There were laws against renting or selling property to people who were given that last name as a label, often forced to go through surname change laws that happened throughout those countries. The United States also took part in Gypsy discrimination, especially for land ownership or housing, and I believe some laws exist to this day that are so outdated they still maintain a clause for Gypsy or Nomadic people to be excluded from certain rights in renting or purchasing property if a landlord chooses to enforce that. Also, my Mom remembers her Grandma talking about where her family lived growing up (her family had to move more than her own Grandparents did) and she always would talk about all kinds of people living together from around the world in a few rooms helping each other with housework like washing clothes, cooking and taking care of the smaller children. Most of my Mom’s Grandma’s family ended up moving to Pennsylvania and other neighboring states in the second half of the 1800s-1930s to work in the coal mines and a lot of the women were dressmakers or housecleaners as well.
This was great, but it would have been nice if one of the main ppl being interviewed was actually an African American history professor or expert on Seneca Village. But again, really nice to see this story. 😎
They need to have black people heading up and deeply involved with the archeology, analysis, historical forensics, and narration of this story. Racism has always been practiced and propagated in science, history etc... by well known thinkers from around the world - therefore we’ll always get a friendly watered down version that will not expose the atrocities and violence of white supremacy. Black experiences have to be told through a black voice. Very tone deaf!
Wow.. They we’re not African Americans they were Seneca Indians how do I know my dad was one.. i’m so sick of the lies and the deceit the United States is cursed .. truth be told
The Seneca Indians were located in Western New York state not in Manhattan island, so how do justify your statement? Besides all Native American presence was effectively gone by the time Seneca Village was created
Smitty 110 Of course do you remember the “trail of tears...” It’s call relocation many Indians were relocated from one state to the next. Every inch of this land belong to the Indians so it doesn’t matter where they were it was stolen👁wow.. Through treaties X TAW👁 Fork 🐍 Tongue..👑🐢🌴
@@isartoraplatz The Trail of Tears involved tribes from Georgia, Florida and other southern states to the Omaha reservations, not Native Americans from New York State or from Manhattan Island. Your father was a Seneca Indian? I don't get what you mean.
Smitty 110 I know that 👁 let me break it down and simplified it for you so you will understand what I am saying they were... They were Continuously moving Aboriginal natives I know because my great grandmother is Cherokee this is what she told me; this is what happened to her ancestors My great grandmother was separated from her mother .. It was all about controlling people same as they’re trying to do today👁 They were moving people one place to the next; this is what she told me she was from North Carolina and her family was moved and separated from her 🤔 This is merely an “example” Of what was actually going on.. natives were moved around a lot; from one place to another You read into it however you Want.. they were constantly changing demographics to control people.. It was the only way.. To steal land that they wanted Wow 😮 sorry you misunderstood me I myself am Cherokee.. I am fully aware of the “ Trail Of Tears” Journey I only use this as an example of what was happening.. satisfied 🐢👁 And exactly what you’re fishing for Mother grandmother and ancestors Cherokee father on his side Seneca Indian.., “You sound exactly like someone who speaks with a fork 🐍 tongue” now you’re going to want to know how they met right👁 is it genealogy you’re interested in you’re creepy.. now go and slither under the rock you came out of🐍
It was very common in the 19th century for African Americans to marry into the Indian culture. This is probably why the name Seneca village. New York had a large free black population as far back as the 17th century. It would be interesting if the Williams family could trace their family that far back.
How you gonna marry into a culture, better yet, your own culture lol, “it was very common in the 19th century for Indians to marry into the Indian culture”.
Would you be alright with us sharing this video with our students? We have researchers doing a presentation on Tuesday and would love to teach future leaders more about Seneca Village!
OK this is very interesting. They keep talking about the history of Seneca Village and how it doesn’t exist anymore but what they’re not talking about is who made that not exist who made Central Park what it is today that’s what I wanted to know what are the names of the people that made this Central Park? What is today?
Only thing that’s sucks is that I came to know of Seneca village through a dream, the people of the village were getting signatures to prevent them from losing that plot of land but were slaughtered
Why do these historians always solely focus on the negatives / bad things that happen to my people ? Or constantly comparing us to only whites ? What could be their motives ?
The name was senegal village but thy change all the history and stole the land. thy come from in Senegal west Africa look at the maps from new york to Senegal you will understand more.
Few blocks down South of Seneca Village next to Central Park West Ave lies underneath a garden an Afro-American cemetery ,its about time NYC unravels its roots and History,archeologists will find out lots of interesting history and facts
Funny how they're not mentioning that they were the indigenous Indians there and Seneca Village not African-Americans the original keep doing that was already here
Why don't u make a video on that and allow black people to learn their history natives dont even claim mixed native people with black blood racist as hell
@@keyme52525 when I say native I'm talking about the original black Indians everybody has the perception of an Indian looking white that is not true the original Indians are black the Indians that you see on the reservation all white people and they are not the original Indians if you want to know how this happened when the paper genocide was going on you have to look up $5 Indians this is true a part of real history that was hidden
I have a friend he is Native American, he told me 2 stories of how his ancestors (family) were tricked, murdered and displaced. As a white male I try to remember "EVERYDAY" what it would be like in live in North America if you were NOT white and looked like it, like me!! 😣
Why would they be reclassified as African American? I've never heard nothing like this. Do you actually think that the Natives would go for that? Plus by then they were already on their reservations. Nobody really care (d) for black people, so of course we couldn't buy land and build on it🤦🏽♀️. Please, I think that they were a thriving group of black people who brought that land and was forced out due to eminent domain and early gentrification. If you know the history you would know that once they were forced out of Seneca Village they moved up to a place called Harlem, and they really thrived and was living good.
Same story all over then country it’s because this country was blk before anybody else got here 💯 why else would they go so hard to try make this they’re home and change our history
LOL, who says "African American" anymore? What is this, 2002? We went back to "black" a long time ago. Maybe this woman didn't get the memo...in her AOL email account.....
@@jeffreyd508 once again smh. Speak on what u are and prefer to be called or addressed as... and u should address a person as they choose... and why don't u get approval from the actual culture before u make dumb assumptions. All of us are not black. All of us are not African American. Some of us look "black" but are Indian or Hispanic. Migroaggression... and stereotype threat... research it
@@ckris108 Understood. But I'd like to add that we can't simply impose our will upon others. I can't make everyone call me the queen of England, bc I'm not. It's very selfish to try to do so
@@ckris108 How should police reference people when looking for a fugitive for example? They want us to be on the lookout for an offender. If it's me, they shouldn't call me "a white male"?
They were Americans... Likely from central/South america and Caribbean maybe even Europe... The Africans(the few that there were) went to Caribbean and brazil. Ships of commerce were used for all sorts of cargo including slaves but most slaves were shipped around the continent itself
5:08 true, I also feel the city erases history in the name of profit , EX: look at 5points , a mecca of art ...gone. And for what > a hotel location (sad times fr)
@Naggaprime check the records - the Dred Scott supreme court decision of 1857 states that people who are not white have no rights. therefore, at that time, only white people could be citizens of America. Read the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the U S constitution for when Africans became Americans.
@Naggaprime what point are you trying to make? you make no sense. there were different ethnic groups living in Seneca Village. Africans were not considered U S citizens and were not Americans until the passage of the 13, 14 and 15th amendments to the U S constitution. Please take the time to do some research. At best, you have anecdotal information
@Naggaprime the point I made is that whether the people who lived in Seneca Village were aboriginal or not they were not Americans and were not citizens of the U S . I am sorry you missed this point.
First of all there's no such thing as a African-American there's no such thing as a black man or a black woman there's no such thing as an Indian or native American and I want to add I never heard of of this story before
Ask yourselves... what was really happening in the 1860s if n. Carolina had over 3000 black slave owners from 1790 till 1860... the reality was indentured servitude... all races were involved, adopting the euros ways of life... Louisiana had the largest population of black slave owners... remember, this is before the landlines... America is, and will always be black Americans original land, with the exception of mixing and black foreigners that came worldwide... the rabbit hole is deep.... the only way is up
These people werent African they were the original Indians. None of these people in this video telling this story are BLACK. YOU CANNOT TELL OUR STORY YOU DO NOT KNOW YOUR OWN.
Naaaa stop trying share our struggle we was native here not from Ireland Irish are very very racist and don’t group our struggle they didn’t want us to have anything and it’s our story alone
"We're never going to build anything on this land. We just want to own it so you dont anymore."
- America -
Because freedom is always free when other people pay for it
AmErica belongs to the Copper Colored Indigenous
This is crazy my grandfather had Seneca village on his obituary how do I found out more
Tyni 2short Try looking for contact the information of Cynthia Copeland at 3:17 - shes the director of the Seneca Village Project. She could probably help you! That’s really cool. You might be able to figure out your whole family heritage! You should REALLY contact them though bc they say they haven’t yet found a single descendant from there! You could be the first! That’s awesome!
How’s your search coming along? I’m here bc of a tic tock video. I had no idea about this! Why don’t they teach us this in school? Instead why get cheating ass Christopher Columbus
Tyni you look familiar 😩
Tyni smh
Archaeology research center in NYC... NYC Archaeological Repository google it, and go from there...
Let's just make it plain and simple , they didn't want Black folks to have anything . Racism is everywhere even now . A museum should be built there so people know the history of Seneca Village and not Central Park. Maybe they should change the name to Seneca Village Park .
American history course full of racism and tragic dark history.
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Seneca village was also made up of Irish and German immigrants who were treated equal to blacks, there were Irish slaves too ya know and they sold for 25% of what a black slave was sold for lol Im Irish
@@DTB3378 indentured servants* they signed up for it
@@541turbo learn your history lol
Education is powerful
Clearly schools aren't teaching this, you have to become a journalist and seek the truth on your own these days and not believe everything people say. I graduated high school 11yrsv ago, never even heard of this until today
Manhattan is where many of the most popular restaurants and high rise builders are present today. This land belonged to African-Americans. Gentrification is not brand new, but is still happening today.
And Native Americans
This is eminent domain, not gentrification.
@@prtynsunshine we are the " Native" American, Aboriginal Indigenous to this land.
@@314jrock same shit ALL ILLEGAL . pilgrims dont owe shIt to be gentrifying or emiment domian on OTHER PPL LAND!!
Where tf is THEY land at tho????thats the Real question. We get n OUR Land back period AmErican Origines will Rise back to thier Normal Wealth and Land they come from
@Not Me “blacks” “native Americans” and Latino descent are all from Israel. No need to argue if the two are different. The only thing that separates the three, is the destinations they arrived to in the 1500s slave trade
So glad they re-discovered this part of nyc’s history and that they’re giving it the well deserved merit and recognition it deserves now.
Reparations are PAST due!!!
How do you get Reparations past due from this documentary? The residents were played for their land just like in all cases when the state takes over land. The state always tries to pay the least since it is working for the tax payers both black and white.
@@kevinchambers1609 in this case and the year and time, do you think that the state was working in the interest of Blacks(ADOS)?
Do you understand what Redlining is, or Jim Crow.
WAY PAST DUE! America actually gave The Jewish community, living in Germany, reparations but there's always a problem when it comes to Black Americans, who live in America may I add, getting our reparations. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
For who? They said they couldn't find any descendants.
@@jjryan1352 it's descendants, there is another video with one of Andrew Williams, one of the residents of Seneca Village at that time, 4th grand daughter.
Seneca Village was recognized development from 1825-1857! Boundaries from 82nd-89th street between 7th and 8th avenue. The community was comprised of not only a Black population but an Irish and German population. In those times the Irish were also discriminated against because of their Catholic religion,they spoke Gaelic their native language, Irish need not apply signs flourished and were characterized as monkeys in Irish clothing style! The Black and Irish population both had adequate little homes which spared them from living in the overcrowded and crime infested tenant buildings! The City of New York used eminent domain falsely stated this group of people lived in squalor! The City was able to claim and clear this area. You can visit this area in Central Park!
How big was the area… how many ppl we talkin? Like how many legit owned buildings destroyed? Or were they just sort of squallerinf but maybe they should’ve gave them houses… it’s impossible tk imagine what it’s like back then really without living it.. this was not mentioned in the Olmsted documentary I watched:. But if there is a way to find out I would want to
@@Dillonmac96 its not the central park website
Central Park needs to be haunted like Lake Lanier in Atlanta
What do you mean NEEDS to be😭😭😭
The interesting thing about Seneca village too was that during this time Irish and German immigrants also joined and was an early example of racial harmony in the country at that time before the goverment swooped in and used Eminent Domain. Even though they were compensated for the land, I still don’t like that it’s constitutional for our goverment to just seize land for any reason they see fit regardless of if there is compensation at all.
In addition to that, regardless of if you’re apart of a black power/progressive movement or not the fact that things like this was always done by a government throughout history should make y’all question any proposals to expand the government’s power.
Those immigrants coming here were poor so they had no choice in where they had to live but a little money and their skin color changed all that real quick .
Love this post, especially the last part.
Damn this needs to be a movie or a Series asap
They have found a descendant Andrew Williams family
Can we have access to the memoir of the girl who documented everything?
There is a book about Maritcha Rémond Lyons and it's based on her memoir. It's called "Maritcha: A Nineteenth-Century American Girl". The author is Tonya Bolden.
Loving this one thanks for sharing very important information giving thanks blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work 🙏🙏🙏🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲💪💪💪
SENECA village was probably so lit
This is my family I'm a descendent of Albro Lyons Sr. WE OWNED OUR PROPERTY! If you live in Ohio, New York, Georgia, Florida, Pennsylvania you are as well Lyons My family is black and Iroquois Indian. I've done my research.
AND IM COMING FOR WHAT BELONGS TO MY FAMILY!
Central Park - should have a built out space within the park to recognize Seneca Village to date.
Na the whole area should be given back to the linage of the people as it once was. Dig deeper
Thank you for this enlightening glimpse of Central Park. We learn too late in life the true history of how our nation expanded. Without knowledge of the past we are doomed to make mistakes in the future.
Please help find all the descendants. 🙏Reparations are super important! This was generational wealth that was striped. I feel the pain. My family has lived in NYC for 5+ generations and I recently found out I have mixed blood. My great great grandfather Pop Carrol played piano in the silent theaters.
They took it away by force
The homeowners were played for their property. And in fact, they were payed a sizable amount for the day.
@@kevinchambers1609 Not paid the actual, proper value of their property. In addition, just because one is paid, doesn't mean the forceful moving of families out their homes without choice, was warranted.
Welcome to Eminent Domain.
@@jjryan1352 that's right, by force.
@@kevinchambers1609 You know damn well they were not paying African-Americans the proper value for that land. People like you always want to sugarcoat history they had no choice they took their land by force and gave them pennies to relocate.
Loved this thank you
I tracked some of my relatives living with an African American couple and their young children who I think actually owned the building or living space, as well as a young Irish Catholic man from Dublin who I think ends up getting married while living there, two Italian children/teens (they may have actually been friends visiting with a couple of the other children), and a Chinese family as well... I believe the husband was listed as being from Shanghai and his wife was listed from Canada, and they had a son close in age to the Italian kids and the African American family’s oldest child (I think a son), as well as a younger child close to African American couple’s youngest child. The husband was listed as a freed slave with no place of origin I can remember and I think his wife was born in the northern part of the United States and I thought their last name was Whitehead. On the side of one census sheet, I noticed “help” written near the African American family but it was crossed out. So, I’m pretty sure the census taker wasn’t expecting them to be landlords, which it seemed that they were. I also think the census taker had to redo the sheet a couple times, I always like to imagine about five different languages and people of all ages talking over each other at the same time to the guy at the door. Lol
The last name of the elderly couple I am related to was Romani and I believe they were Catholic or East Orthodox, on each census I was able to find (they were free previews on Ancestry before I bought a test kit for my now passed Grandpa) I noticed a couple misspellings, some sounding more Yiddish and others actually spelled like Romanized Chinese names, one was “Hu-Men Yi” I believe, but I think the first name on that census was Julius or Michael (for the man) and those are actually namesakes in my family, on that side to this day.
I think the entire dwelling was trying to understand what their name was and wrote down their best guesses. At the time, I think they were from Austria-Hungary but that empire switched names and even leadership so much. They likely spoke three languages and probably had very heavy East European/Russian accents with heavy trilling so, I think that would have caused some healthy confusion. I’ve been teaching myself a both Korean as well as Japanese pronunciation and I noticed in most East Asian languages there are no heavy R sounds... so I assume their son was trying to navigate both Chinese and English from his parents and whichever East European languages (plus Latin) my relatives were tossing into the mix.
Romani is actually labeled surname for people who were traveling as/with or were born a “Gypsy” in parts of modern day Eurasian countries. There were laws against renting or selling property to people who were given that last name as a label, often forced to go through surname change laws that happened throughout those countries. The United States also took part in Gypsy discrimination, especially for land ownership or housing, and I believe some laws exist to this day that are so outdated they still maintain a clause for Gypsy or Nomadic people to be excluded from certain rights in renting or purchasing property if a landlord chooses to enforce that.
Also, my Mom remembers her Grandma talking about where her family lived growing up (her family had to move more than her own Grandparents did) and she always would talk about all kinds of people living together from around the world in a few rooms helping each other with housework like washing clothes, cooking and taking care of the smaller children. Most of my Mom’s Grandma’s family ended up moving to Pennsylvania and other neighboring states in the second half of the 1800s-1930s to work in the coal mines and a lot of the women were dressmakers or housecleaners as well.
That is very important information. But we were never African(AfricanAmerican), that separates us from our birth rights.
This was great, but it would have been nice if one of the main ppl being interviewed was actually an African American history professor or expert on Seneca Village. But again, really nice to see this story. 😎
i need this video for a school project.. lol ty
They need to have black people heading up and deeply involved with the archeology, analysis, historical forensics, and narration of this story. Racism has always been practiced and propagated in science, history etc... by well known thinkers from around the world - therefore we’ll always get a friendly watered down version that will not expose the atrocities and violence of white supremacy. Black experiences have to be told through a black voice. Very tone deaf!
📢🎯Exactly..
it's not friendly. They're flat out describing a fucked up situation. You want them to cry???
Just look at the smile she had on her face.
@@theewildrose You don't get it and you never will.
@@marisutton334 I get it just fine.
This was great!
Never heard of this before. This is crazy. I’m reading a book called “How the Word is Passed” which mentions this.
Nas sent me here!
So they just took the land and didn't even pay the owners for it? AMERICA.
They were paid just not the true value.
who else came here after watching Central Park? :D
Wow..
They we’re not African Americans they were Seneca Indians how do I know my dad was one.. i’m so sick of the lies and the deceit the United States is cursed .. truth be told
🎯Bingo, they try and keep running with that AA lie, I'm sick of it too.
The Seneca Indians were located in Western New York state not in Manhattan island, so how do justify your statement? Besides all Native American presence was effectively gone by the time Seneca Village was created
Smitty 110
Of course do you remember the “trail of tears...”
It’s call relocation many Indians were relocated from one state to the next. Every inch of this land belong to the Indians so it doesn’t matter where they were it was stolen👁wow..
Through treaties X TAW👁
Fork 🐍 Tongue..👑🐢🌴
@@isartoraplatz The Trail of Tears involved tribes from Georgia, Florida and other southern states to the Omaha reservations, not Native Americans from New York State or from Manhattan Island. Your father was a Seneca Indian? I don't get what you mean.
Smitty 110
I know that 👁 let me break it down and simplified it for you so you will understand what I am saying they were...
They were Continuously moving Aboriginal natives I know because my great grandmother is Cherokee this is what she told me; this is what happened to her ancestors My great grandmother was separated from her mother ..
It was all about controlling people same as they’re trying to do today👁
They were moving people one place to the next; this is what she told me she was from North Carolina and her family was moved and separated from her 🤔
This is merely an “example”
Of what was actually going on..
natives were moved around a lot; from one place to another
You read into it however you
Want.. they were constantly changing demographics to control people..
It was the only way..
To steal land that they
wanted
Wow 😮 sorry you misunderstood me
I myself am Cherokee..
I am fully aware of the
“ Trail Of Tears” Journey I only use this as an example of what was happening.. satisfied 🐢👁
And exactly what you’re fishing for Mother grandmother and ancestors Cherokee father on his side Seneca Indian..,
“You sound exactly like someone who speaks with a fork 🐍 tongue” now you’re going to want to know how they met right👁 is it genealogy you’re interested in you’re creepy.. now go and slither under the rock you came
out of🐍
It was very common in the 19th century for African Americans to marry into the Indian culture. This is probably why the name Seneca village. New York had a large free black population as far back as the 17th century. It would be interesting if the Williams family could trace their family that far back.
@ I was about to say that 👏
Well native isn't a race.Most natives were black Asians seeing as the original Asians we're black.
How you gonna marry into a culture, better yet, your own culture lol, “it was very common in the 19th century for Indians to marry into the Indian culture”.
Would you be alright with us sharing this video with our students? We have researchers doing a presentation on Tuesday and would love to teach future leaders more about Seneca Village!
The video is public. You don't need permission to share it.
Hi can I repost this on my channel?
For education purposes
OK this is very interesting. They keep talking about the history of Seneca Village and how it doesn’t exist anymore but what they’re not talking about is who made that not exist who made Central Park what it is today that’s what I wanted to know what are the names of the people that made this Central Park? What is today?
Me 5th great grandfather founded Seneca Village his name was William Thomas Hamilton,he was an abolitionist and a slave activist.
Crazy
Only thing that’s sucks is that I came to know of Seneca village through a dream, the people of the village were getting signatures to prevent them from losing that plot of land but were slaughtered
😆 keep dreaming,.cause none of your victimhood claims are real. They were paid to leave through eminent domain. Nobody was "slaughtered" holy fak! 😆
This is what happens when history is written from one point of view
Why do these historians always solely focus on the negatives / bad things that happen to my people ? Or constantly comparing us to only whites ? What could be their motives ?
What wicked people.
The name was senegal village but thy change all the history and stole the land. thy come from in Senegal west Africa look at the maps from new york to Senegal you will understand more.
Not true.
Pangea
African people owned real estate in New Amsterdam.
In the beginning of the 17th century.
(Institute of New Netherlands)
Our issue was always trying to include others when we need to move like them and be for US only .
Few blocks down South of Seneca Village next to Central Park West Ave lies underneath a garden an Afro-American cemetery ,its about time NYC unravels its roots and History,archeologists will find out lots of interesting history and facts
This is almost as bad as Brooklyn zoo
Funny how they're not mentioning that they were the indigenous Indians there and Seneca Village not African-Americans the original keep doing that was already here
Why don't u make a video on that and allow black people to learn their history natives dont even claim mixed native people with black blood racist as hell
@@keyme52525 when I say native I'm talking about the original black Indians everybody has the perception of an Indian looking white that is not true the original Indians are black the Indians that you see on the reservation all white people and they are not the original Indians if you want to know how this happened when the paper genocide was going on you have to look up $5 Indians this is true a part of real history that was hidden
@@lisalovely7259 thank you for the correction
I have a friend he is Native American, he told me 2 stories of how his ancestors (family) were tricked, murdered and displaced. As a white male I try to remember "EVERYDAY" what it would be like in live in North America if you were NOT white and looked like it, like me!! 😣
Seneca’s are (native Americans) from NY also so… Seneca village?…. Dig a bit deeper misclassified people
It is what it is. Every culture has a point in their history that they may not want to remember. Whites are not exclusive
That’s so fucked up!!! First it was Native Americans, then black men , women and children!
Pain
seneca people are ancient americans i.e. Indians, reclassified as african americans!
@ exactly. check out this site, more to come loppal.info
Lies
Bro shut up they were ex slaves in the 1870’s how could you think they where natives at this point in NYC, question and learn
Why would they be reclassified as African American? I've never heard nothing like this. Do you actually think that the Natives would go for that? Plus by then they were already on their reservations. Nobody really care (d) for black people, so of course we couldn't buy land and build on it🤦🏽♀️. Please, I think that they were a thriving group of black people who brought that land and was forced out due to eminent domain and early gentrification. If you know the history you would know that once they were forced out of Seneca Village they moved up to a place called Harlem, and they really thrived and was living good.
@@missg1727to hide their identity and steal their land… duhhh.
Imminent domain and now Central Park. America is doing this al over the world.
Interesting until I read the comments. Wokeness ruins and destroys everything it encounters.
Same story all over then country it’s because this country was blk before anybody else got here 💯 why else would they go so hard to try make this they’re home and change our history
One of my Irish ancestors lived there after coming to NYC during the Great Hunger.
Smh
There’s another place in the middle east where this also happening
What part of the middle east?
The white lady sounds so ... mad
Hi
Today 1800 Hall st
pisses me off
LOL, who says "African American" anymore? What is this, 2002? We went back to "black" a long time ago. Maybe this woman didn't get the memo...in her AOL email account.....
Um are u "black"? 😳don't speak on what we prefer to be called.... microaggression... research it
@@ckris108 I'm not black. I'm white. People call me "white". Because I am. If I were black. People would call me black. #truestorybtw
@@jeffreyd508 once again smh. Speak on what u are and prefer to be called or addressed as... and u should address a person as they choose... and why don't u get approval from the actual culture before u make dumb assumptions. All of us are not black. All of us are not African American. Some of us look "black" but are Indian or Hispanic. Migroaggression... and stereotype threat... research it
@@ckris108 Understood. But I'd like to add that we can't simply impose our will upon others. I can't make everyone call me the queen of England, bc I'm not. It's very selfish to try to do so
@@ckris108 How should police reference people when looking for a fugitive for example? They want us to be on the lookout for an offender. If it's me, they shouldn't call me "a white male"?
They were Americans... Likely from central/South america and Caribbean maybe even Europe... The Africans(the few that there were) went to Caribbean and brazil. Ships of commerce were used for all sorts of cargo including slaves but most slaves were shipped around the continent itself
5:08 true, I also feel the city erases history in the name of profit , EX: look at 5points , a mecca of art ...gone. And for what > a hotel location (sad times fr)
Why do these historians always solely focus on the negatives / bad things that happen to my people ? Or constantly comparing us to only whites ?
they were not African Americans (dred scott) they were Africans.
@Naggaprime check the records - the Dred Scott supreme court decision of 1857 states that people who are not white have no rights. therefore, at that time, only white people could be citizens of America. Read the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the U S constitution for when Africans became Americans.
@Naggaprime they were born in Africa,eslaved and brought to this country. all life comes from the continent know as Africa. get a spell check!
@Naggaprime what point are you trying to make? you make no sense. there were different ethnic groups living in Seneca Village. Africans were not considered U S citizens and were not Americans until the passage of the 13, 14 and 15th amendments to the U S constitution. Please take the time to do some research. At best, you have anecdotal information
@Naggaprime the point I made is that whether the people who lived in Seneca Village were aboriginal or not they were not Americans and were not citizens of the U S . I am sorry you missed this point.
@@BILLHENRY239 what ethnic groups only 3 races? Asian mongoloid white Caucasian black African the rest mixed.
Seneca Village… Seneca Indians of New York Iroquois nation… dig a lil deeper. Misclassified people
Gentrification in in the mid 1800s...
I meen is senca villge dead
That becas no body lives thar now is senca villge dead tell
Stop pushing if you want to stop this stop talking about it
Is it se
It's no secret that past and current mzungus have no souls or redeeming qualities.
Sounds like blacks are racist af!
America is so sad
I have been a victim of racism but since I am brown I have not gotten justice which even brown people have protection
First of all there's no such thing as a African-American there's no such thing as a black man or a black woman there's no such thing as an Indian or native American and I want to add I never heard of of this story before
Ask yourselves... what was really happening in the 1860s if n. Carolina had over 3000 black slave owners from 1790 till 1860... the reality was indentured servitude... all races were involved, adopting the euros ways of life... Louisiana had the largest population of black slave owners... remember, this is before the landlines... America is, and will always be black Americans original land, with the exception of mixing and black foreigners that came worldwide... the rabbit hole is deep.... the only way is up
These people werent African they were the original Indians. None of these people in this video telling this story are BLACK. YOU CANNOT TELL OUR STORY YOU DO NOT KNOW YOUR OWN.
Why do you keep saying african American. That term is horrible and I wish I knew who changed us to that term. I hate it.
What are you then ?
Jesse Jackson
@@melechdomeyhwh Aboriginal. We were here first got it?
@@truthtruth3717 here where ? Aboriginal isn't a race
Naaaa stop trying share our struggle we was native here not from Ireland Irish are very very racist and don’t group our struggle they didn’t want us to have anything and it’s our story alone
Real talk
😆 yep,.more false victimhood, keep crying though..😂
Its actually Senegal village. whites made sure to spell it wrong.
bullshit.
Seneca Village… Seneca Indians of New York Iroquois nation… dig a lil deeper. Misclassified people