Sonic 1 FM - But does it work on Real Hardware?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Who loves the PSG music that Sonic 1 creates? Me too! But have you heard that the tune can be improved to us FM quality sound? It's quite an achievement, but does it work on real hardware? We put Sonic 1 FM created by ValleyBell to the test... more than once! Special thanks to my wife for her help on... telling me off.
Live stream of Sonic 1 FM on Sunday 29th March 2020 9pm BST - • Let's Play Sonic 1 FM ...
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro
1:39 - Checking the modded SMS health
2:14 - Sonic 1 FM on the modded Master System
3:49 - PSG Vs. FM Comparison
5:14 - Sonic 1 FM on the Sega Mark III with the FM Unit
8:03 - Sonic 1 FM on the Japanese Master System
9:51 - Results and conclusion
SOCIALS:
Subscribe to my UA-cam channel! ua-cam.com/users/redhotso...
Sponsor me and receive some goodies! More information can be found here: www.redhotsonic.com/#sponsor
redhotsonic's website: www.redhotsonic.com/
Discord Server invitation link: discord.redhotsonic.com/
Twitter: / redhotsonic_rhs
PayPal: paypal.me/redhotsonic
CREDITS:
Title Intro animation by Bryan Salter: / bryansalter
Intro music jingle by Funk Fiction: / funkysynths
SOURCES:
Tim Worthington's etim online shop for SMSFM kit v3.0 - etim.net.au/shop/shop.php?crn...
Simon Lock (Aergan)'s Twitter - / a3rgan
Master EverDrive X7 - krikzz.com/store/home/51-mast...
SEGA Mark III commercial - • "SEGA" SG1000, MARKII,...
SMS2SG1000 Sega Master System (U.S. Version) to Sega MARK III (Japanese Version) Adapter SMS Adapter - www.aliexpress.com/item/32664...
DOWNLOAD:
Sonic 1 FM Download - forums.sonicretro.org/index.p...
Sonic Hacking Contest 2014 (SHC14) Download's page - sonichacking.org/vault/
HASHTAGS:
#Sonic1FM #Sonic18bit #BDIWORH - Ігри
It is incredible that Sega put an FM chip is such a limited console, it feels strange hearing megadrive type music with simple graphics.
GexoIsSad Wait till you hear and see Lagrange Point for the Famicom 😉
Well you see, I was alive back then and the Japanese government prohibited it, for fear that the Western nations would use our funky tunes (enhanced with all manner of cultural appropriation) to take over the world. For a while they were listed as export-banned munitions. I remember that the first time I heard this, I was wearing a Master System cartridge on my belt, as was the fashion at the time. They didn't have black cartridges at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big, yellow ones.
@@retro_boy_advance what the poop, this is dark witchcraft!! Actually speaking of Famicom/NES sound hardware, this is less impressive but I was deeply impressed that when Mario Maker made new snow music for the SMB3 style, and wanted to add sleigh bells, they confined the sleigh bell sample to what a NES sound chip could have replicated. Unlike my first comment on this thread this is actually factually true 😁
The Genesis/Mega Drive prototype was built from spare SG1000 and Master System parts.
@@tskraj3190 I would love to hear more about this, even in the form of "here's a link/search terms". Does this mean that there Mega Drive is backwards compatible with Master System FM sound? I was really hoping Red Hot Sonamy would say whether or not putting this on an MD Everdrive would work, but judging from the video they instead engaged in a tickling and/or smooching match. Which hey, not gonna blame them for, it must be great to have a beloved with you right now.
I've always felt that Master System FM music elevates 8 bit games much more than you'd expect. Some games actually feel like their Mega Drive counterparts.
Outrun 3D in FM, simply the best and would go well with your statement.
Hi Nostalgia Nerd!
Red hot sonic
Thunder Blade
@@redhotsonic come back! We NEED YOU!
Note to self: don't get married.
I don't need more stress making videos.
Hi there 👋😊
Knuckles channel 3 & knuckles can you react to redhotsonic's video where his mom plays manic miner?
Yup.
Hi
Don't get married & Knuckles
"You finally satisfied me" 🤣🤣 RHS got roasted
7:50 has got to be my most favorite RedHotSonic moment of all time
Don't get married
@@varganyamuvek Yeah I wonder if that moment aged at all after I made that comment 🙃
The master system is underrated.
The 8bit sonic 1 is very different despite being called sonic 1.
8bit sonic 2 has tails on the box but tails isn't playable he actually gets kidnapped by eggman.
The Sega master system 3 looks slick as hell it just looks so nice and cool.
Wow I never knew
I personally prefer the Game Gear version of Sonic 1, as it fixes a few bugs (like how you don't die by torching the bottom edge of the TV screen in Jungle Zone Act 2 >_
@@RadioTails it isn't a bug it was removed because the game gear has screen crunch
@@RadioTails That isn't a bug, it's a feature
Not in Brazil and Europe
In these places the Master System continues to survive until 1997 receiving numerous Game Gear ports.
In Brazil the Master System even won an exclusive version of Street Fighter 2 and Battlemaniacs, even with the PS1, Saturn and Nintendo 64 in places like Brazil the Master System (and Mega Drive) became cheap options for those who didn't have much money to invest in a console.
"Don't get married" says the guy whose wife gets mad at him to buy retro hardware from Japan. Weird, I have the opposite problem!
Don't you have enough?
Your husband is happy that you're buying new software from America??
Wow, I'd love a wife like that lol
@@Pavlinka__ Yes, I live in Asia and my husband (we're gay) loves it when I buy things from the west. Spot on, chap!
@@mscottjohnson3424 I'm with my wife (we're bisexual, in a lesbian relationship) and she likes seeing me happy with new stuff, as long as I am being responsible with finances too.
We're getting an N64 next month. I also collect Transformers too, and she thinks it's neat.
For Phantasy Star I think most fans actually prefer the PSG soundtrack to the FM one. Although hearing a couple of the Phantasy Star 1 songs remade in Phantasy Star 4 is definitely a treat.
9:56 says "Redhotsonic is sleeping on the sofa tonight"
No shit sherlock
I installed an FM mod in my master system, and it was definitely worth the money and effort.
The delivery from 8:19 to 8:23 cracks me up
I wish I could get a wife as supportive as yours; to tell you to go and bust like 500 GBP on two systems is something quite _out of this world._ Take good care of her and ensure she's happy - she's an extremely rare specimen.
7:58 "don't get married."
Wow. He just roasted his wife.
What a bastard.
I'm disappointed in him.
7:59
Then dies instantaneously afterwards.
@@ShadowtheUA-camr523 *bathtub
There was also a FM sound expansion for the NES called the VRC7. The only game to use it was Lagrange Point, but the soundtrack was really impressive.
*Famicom not NES. Because Langrage Point is the only VRC7 FM game for the Famicom, there are actually more homebrew VRC7 chiptunes than that! (I know of two: Tappy - Aquarius and Fearofdark - The Coffee Zone)
It's scary when your wife comes in the room and the Eggman theme plays.
8:18 Married Life in a nutshell
9:56 (At The Split Second) redhotsonic is sleeping on the sofa tonight!
The power of hardware modding at its finest to suit your tastes. Focusing on Sonic 1 FM, it's great to see these bonus changes or additions that spices the game a notch. Those interruptions and arguments from Millie were on point, especially at 7:59 😂 Luckily, digging deeper into this investigation was totally worth it.
The FM sounds great, but the PSG has so much nostalgia to me that I'd still go with it 😁
Alternative solution: Terraonion's Mega SD.
My guess is few people will go importing a Japanese Master System just to play MS Sonic 1 with FM sound. Another, much more practical, way you can do this on, technically, real hardware is to get a Mega SD from Terraonion for €232 (I'll link it at the end). If you know anything about the Mega SD, you know it's basically an Everdrive for the Mega Drive/Genesis that has onboard Mega CD/Sega CD emulation chips that allow you to play Mega CD games from an iso file off an SD card without needing the actual Mega CD peripheral (or the 2nd power brick). Of course it also lets you play regular Mega Drive/Genesis games (yes, all regions, though there can be speed issues when playing 60Hz NTSC games on a 50Hz PAL console, and vice versa).
But on to the main point. As you probably know, the Mega Drive is backwards compatible with Master System games and includes the same chips that are in the Master System, so playing Master System games on a Mega Drive is essentially playing on real hardware. The Mega Drive isn't using emulation to play Master System games. So if you load any Master System ROMs onto your Everdrive/Mega SD, the Mega Drive will play them just fine. However, even though the Mega Drive uses FM sound for Mega Drive games, the Master System FM sound chip is different and so no Mega Drive/Genesis can play the FM sound in Master System games. BUT, a feature of the Mega SD that gets completely overshadowed by the Mega CD emulation is that the Mega SD can also emulate the Master System's FM sound chip. And, of course, all Mega Drive/Genesis units support RGB out.
SO, since you'd have to use an Everdrive anyway to play Sonic 1 with FM sound, if you have a Mega Drive/Genesis you can get a Mega SD and play Sonic 1 with FM sound on your Mega Drive, which again is essentially original hardware. This seems to me to be the most practical way to play SMS Sonic 1 with FM sound without emulation. And wile €232 is steep, so is buying a Japanese Master System/Mark III + FM unit OR Master System FM mod + Everdrive. And you can also play all Mega CD/Sega CD, Master System/Genesis, and Master System games from any region.
Link to Terraonion's website:
shop.terraonion.com/en/products/16-megasd_megacd_segacd_fpga_cartridge.html
UPDATE: I just checked and the Mega Everdrive X7 also has a Master System FM chip. Again, this is to play Master System games on your Mega Drive/Genesis, not your Master System. Earlier versions of the Mega Everdrive (X5, X3) do not have this feature and no version of the Master Everdrive have FM sound chips. So with either the Mega SD or Everdrive X7 you can play Master System games with FM sound on a Mega Drive/Genesis.
One thing the FM version misses out on - at the end of the game, when the points are being totted up, there's a static effect that fades in and out on the original.
I died when your wife came in and dissed you.
Same 😂
“I’M A POET!”
“...AND I DID NOT REALISE THAT!”
best part of the video
8:00 It was at this point RHS Knew he f**ked up xD
no he F*cked up here 10:34
7:59
ValleyBell is the king of music hacking. His work really impresses me! Music hacking is the one thing that I cannot wrap my head around. :V Also haha hearing your wife in the background was great! xD
Long Live The King🤴
''Don't get married''
Lmao
I read this EGGSACTLY when he said it XD
I loved the sound of the master system. Probably the great songwriting helped a lot but I always liked the sounds as well. Phantasy Star, Sonic, Double Dragon, Master of Darkness, lots and lots of great soundtracks
4:44 that “Hey!” Really spooked me
That shot when the Mark III comes on the screen, my face involuntarily lit up with joy. Thank you for that. I needed it.
Great video! I love learning more about the Master System. Also the part with you and your wife joking around was hilarious and cute
7:59 "don't get married!" 😂😂😂😂
Hey bro love you're channel and stay safe
This was an epic video. 1 day sooner and i could have watched this on my birthday
Oh actually this is worth a second comment - I've just noticed you do _proper subtitles_ and especially since that's much rarer on UA-cam than television, as a partially deaf viewer thank you loads. I don't think I noticed that until now (though I kinda have the memory of a pensioner so I'm not sure), as I've usually been turning them off for the mobile app, since I didn't realise it had subtitle settings buried in it that (like the web player) let you remove the black background, shrink the text, add a drop shadow and generally make the subtitle display far less obnoxious.
This was extremely entertaining to watch haha
Oh lord, I wasn't ready for that Phantasy Star at the beginning there. Ugh, that pulled on the nostalgia cords pretty hard.
For those of you who haven't played the original Phantasy Star, I'm sorry, you missed it. Yes, you can still play the game today, but it's the very definition of "a game of its time". You had to be there. If you were, you know what I'm talking about. If not, go play Final Fantasy 6, it's just as good as it was back then.
Great video! I like the bits where you included your wife into the mix. She's funny!
Great video! Really enjoyed watching! 😁👍
Good stuff! Love your content
I was hoping you'd upload this at some point, and I'm really glad you did!
The McGuinness Experiment Hello! 👋
@@cm-ih1jb well hello there!
new subber here, this is fantastic. very entertaining without being obnoxious or annoying, where have you been all my life RHS?
What confuses me to this day is that I have clear memories of running Meka for DOS, enabling FM unit, and that enhancing game gear game music, including Tails' Sky Patrol. I went to a boarding school in like 2005, and I remember setting it up on old common use machines. Haven't figured how how to do that since.
I went to a boarding school in like 2005 too (2005-2008 actually).
On the residential side, there was a lot of gaming stuff going on if you counted everyone's stuff, like PC, NES, SNES, standard GameCube, modified GameCube (IcedCube), GBA SP AGS-001 (with GB/GBC/GBA games), DS Phat, DS Lite, PS one, PS2 Phat and Slim, PS3 Phat, PSP, original Xbox and Xbox 360. There was even some GBA emulation on the PC going on.
No Sega hardware unfortunately; pre-2001 Sega was only represented by Sonic Mega Collection Plus on the PS2, the Radica Mega Drive plug-and-play (Volume 2) and the PC versions of Sonic 3D and Sonic R (although I did go to one of the boys' normal homes 4 years later in 2012 and he had a Mega Drive 2 sitting next to his PS3, but yeah).
On the educational side, before the Windows 98 PC in one of the English classrooms (that we got to play on if we finished our work early) was replaced, it had a load of Sonic fangames on it! Like Sonic Robo Blast "1", and one which had the Sonic CD Quartz Quadrant "present" music in it which I'd like to know what it was called.
Hello redhotsonic! I love your videos!
I love this video, it’s comedy gold, and this rom hack is really impressive. Unfortunately I definitely prefer the PSG audio as that’s what I’m used to and I kinda prefer that sound anyway, but it’s a very nice attempt. Marble Zone sounds even better than the Mega Drive version!
Fun fact: The marble zone music in the original version of the game (without the FM music) was unused in the game.
This is a fantastic video, love to mixed in humor
Now we need RHS Ultimate Family Crossover!
But great video, as usual. Thanks!
I think the reason why FM and PSG mixing didn’t work is because the FM might have simply replaced the PSG, causing the sound effects to not be able to play as they did not change to FM.
It was the "you finally satisfied me" joke that made me laugh out loud and subscribe. Classic.
I doesn't understand
This also works on a Mega Drive using the Mega SD flash cart, that allows FM playback with MS games.
and Mega Everdrive X7 and Mega Everdrive Pro, but with all of those the YM2413 is in FPGA. You can use a db electronics Powerbase FM to get the Master System FM sound in real hardware on a Mega Drive / Genesis.
Nice giving the mark iii some love
LOVE YOUR VIDS!!
fun fact: the sms fm chip (YM2413 or OPLL) was the same used in the old Adlib cards (YM3812 or OPL2)
That's funny. haha
Good video!
6:33
Huh. I always wondered why none of the officially released games on the system used FM and PSG sound at the same time. Now I know.
The BIOS of the Master System MK2000 uses FM and PSG at the same time
Awesome Video
You can use RGB with the FM unit. Just don't plug the FM unit into the back of the console. Instead plug your RGB cable in there. Then use a second standard composite cable for the audio from the FM unit.
This of course doesn't fix the non-amplified RGB problem.
Great video
Great videos
3:06 Yeesh! The death jingle now sounds pretty terrifying.
Spooky fest
Sonic 2 SMS Much Creepier
@ItzBreakerless Really? Where?
@@CobaltChono Just Search It On UA-cam
Great Video
These vds are heavily underrated
That music is F'ing Awesome!
instant like when the v2.1 space harrier bios ost played. you got the best japanese SMS
I feel like most if not all games that use FM have all of their sounds set to FM as well. Are there any games that mix the PSG and FM officially back in the day?
2:05 the Mazda Everdrive? When did they make that car? 😂
Well That's How Us British Says Master So *DEAL WITH IT*
We say mazda, you say meastrr
Holy shit i forgot i left this comment
"Dont get married" Redhotsonic 2020
"You've finally satisfied me" Redhotsonic's wife 2020.
Girl you savage and hilarious LOL
Beautiful
you went above and beyond the call of duty. I probably just would have gotten the Power Base Converter and called it a day!
“I’m a poet and I did not realise that” gets me every time
I’m thinking of getting a Japanese Master System or Mark III, along with an adapter, did your official US/European MS game cartridges work on them or not.
They sure did (with the adapter) :)
I'm a little late to the party, but to anyone reading this, it does work on a Mega-SG using the SMS adapter and a Master Everdrive X7. However, the pause button crashes the game, freezing it indefinitely. So you can't pause. Otherwise it works just fine.
Good to see the RHS household is calm and tranquil during the Covid-19 situation and that you're not, for example, tearing strips off each other.
I watched this video once
I rewatched this in 2023 and...
We were too innocent to understand 8:18 💀
What does it mean?
I have wondered what kind of work needs to be done to get PSG and FM mixing on the MKIII. While only this one hack uses it I wonder if it's as simple as a PSG patch cable. Do games that are PSG only work with the FM unit?
4:11 i like how sky base zone sounds like with your American Master System model 3010
8:20 best moment ever 🤣🤣
I love Sky Base FM so much
So, here's a question I assume was answered a REALLY long time ago...
But still, I wonder. - Given that a Mega Drive with a Power Base Converter can run master system games, and the Mega Drive has both the PSG channels AND an FM synth chip...
Does the Mega Drive play FM sound with any master system games, or did they arbitrarily disable this in spite of the hardware?
Further, since FM synth was a standard feature of Japanese Mega Drives (and an add-on for the mkIII), does this vary at all between western and Japanese Mega Drives?
Thank you Red Hot Sonic, and more importantly Red Hot Amy (MVP PhD MD) for keeping us entertained during this apocalypse. You know, _I_ heard this virus was engineered in Robotnik Industries owned labs. Which explains why everyone who catches it turns into a terrifying cyborg.
More seriously though, is the Mega Drive backwards compatible with Master System FM sound, like if you run these games from an Everdrive or whatever?
*You can also buy a FM 8-Bit adaptor for your Mega Drive can also do the trick people!*
I like how he argued with his wife lol
Do FM games still have the sound using the power base converter on a genesis? or can the games not take advantage of the genesis's FM chip
When it comes to the SEEEEGAAAAAAA master system, the first character you see is a once forgotten princess with a sword 🗡
Sword🗡️
This is my first time seeing any Master System game. The ring sounds are in Nights GBA.
"You finally satisfied me"
"Wait what?"
😂😂😂😂😂
Are you gonna check out Sonic Triple Trouble SMS any time as well?
Oh yeah! I've heard about the mark 3.
Sonic Statue: "redhotsonic is sleeping on the sofa tonight!" RHS: Hello Darkness My Old Friend
Sky Base Zone sounds so cool
Will your friend also make these things for the NTSB-U market as well?
fm chips on master system reminds me of the msu-1 chip in snes cartridges
7:58 "Don't get married."
"WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!!"
You actually CAN get RGB out of the Mark III with the FM sound unit, but you have to use 2 cables. You just plug the big ribbon cable into the front of the Mark III and leave the AV adapter for the FM Unit unplugged. Then use the Mark III's video out for the RGB video, and use the FM unit's AV out for the audio.
The problem with that was I would then have to solder both cables together into one SCART plug which seemed like a hassle 😅
@@redhotsonic Ahhh SCART. I'm running the HD Retrovision component cables which makes it a bit easier. You've got like 6 Master Systems now though, so it sounds like you don't need to bother with all that hahaha
Badass
Tiene una exelente esposa como quisiera estar asi eres el hombre mas feliz del mundo ojala mi situacion pudiera estar asi como antes
Yeah Boi! Sonic on a System i never knew
Hi! How r u RHS! I really like this vid!
If there was a theoretical Sonic 1 hack that did FM for the SFX as well as the BGM, presumably that would resolve the issue with the Mark III, right?
In theory, yes.
7:50 Aww, that was wholesome. :3
Besides Phantasy Star, are there any other games that have FM support removed from the Rom or is it just Phantasy Star that does this unlike other games keeping it in code.
List of games with conditions here: etim.net.au/smsfm/smsfm.html
@@redhotsonic Thanks, but in addition, is there also a list of Genesis/Mega Drive games that use batteries (SRAM), because I can’t find any and I just got a JP copy of Phantasy Star 2 yesterday and that used a battery for saving.
Oh and do you replace batteries in your carts, is so, then do you use knife and electric tape or do you do soldering or do you replace SRAM with FRAM/FeRAM.