Yea they are tainted with Forbidden Knowledge so preventing them from returning to Irminsul(afterlife) is literally the optimal solution to save Teyvat. Khaenriahns really are the fault for their own destruction and causing the cataclysm.
If, by their memories, you mean any sort of forbidden knowledge then that wouldn't work, since they can still write it down and irminsul records everything written.
Immortality is a two edged sword: you can do whatever you want and whatever time you can take. It is also a form of effective punishment because it prevents them from dying and eventually escaping the wrath of a God. Death is a great passcard when you are dealing with such.
It could be not intentional also.. As in those who think life is important so pain is to be tolerated, like in cases of fatal diseases. Which can mix with the psychological torture idea and the keeping the leylines clean or quarantine idea. Like what the God of Love in Teyvat might have done before she lost her love for her people and "they have no love left for her". Venti and Zhongli in certain ways suggested that the details we ask of may not be as vague or detailed as we imagine. I saw something recently where I think Nahida says directly that it isn't as hard as our questions make it out to be..
When you mention how faruzan was locked in a stasis without needing food or rest, the exactly same thing happened in Perilous Trail where everyone in that quest gets locked in an adeptus domain in the chasm that pauses their physical needs of eating, drinking and phyysical fatigue but doesn't stop them from being mentally fatigued. I think this is something similar to what happened to faruzan in those ruins, perhaps Deshret had some technology similar to the adeptal domains.
Agreed but with the added note that whatever the chasm quest was it wasn’t an adepti domain, it’s been a year so I don’t remember exactly but I think (and this is a mix of what I remember from the quest and my own interpretation so take with a grain of salt) that since that was the place the abyss was spilling out into the chasm that once it was sealed off it existed as a domain outside of teyvat, extra-dimensionally so, governed by the laws of the abyss; which according to Nahida make absolutely no sense to anyone from teyvat but does seem to have a creepy amount of self awareness o-o.
@@mclaire9447 Yeah it's been a while, from what I can remember is it was a domain created by using human exorcist magic from yelan's clan and the Yaksha's adeptal powers and it was created as a trap for the abyss monsters during the cataclysm as a last resort by yelan's ancestor and bosacius because they were losing to the monsters and so they just trapped them all in there. The domain utilized personally tailored illusions to inflict psychical damage upon the beings trapped inside but it kept them alive. I don't know maybe you're right and it's related to abyssal energy or "forbidden knowledge" and some of king deshret's ruins turned into that after the corruption with forbidden knowledge or maybe it's something made to keep corrupting energies and monsters inside and slowly kill them and wither away their life essence. I will have to read the quest again to remember what's the case but either way there's deffinitely a connection between faruzan and that place.
@@mclaire9447 Well apparently it's called "The Chasm's Bed" it's in the wiki, it's not an adepti/human magic domain but it was indeed sealed by those powers and it's not an abyssal domain either as it was said to have existed before the cataclysm. So it's like an SCP location in genshin. Considering how old it is, my theories it that it's either - a place created by the dragons - the original inhabitants of Teyvat, a place created by some god be it teyvat born like the archons and the other gods from the archon wars or a descender like the primordial ones, a layline anomaly location where the laylines are so close they try to entrap the souls of creatures and suck them into them (the most plausable in my opinion), thus explaining why they can read their minds -because laylines are connected to the memories of all living things and the illusions we fight there and the compass artifact we use to escape are memories of the characters in there, or it's really an abyssal domain. I think it's a layline domain though.
@@Zarozian the abyss twin died thu, their data is within the 🌳. And they finished their first cycle and saw everything thats why they went to the abyss
The new stuff for 3.6 adds to the conversation by saying the Pari are also essentially undying creatures that never have their memories sent to Irminsul. That whole theory about Khaenri'ahns being stopped from having their memories contaminating Irminsul got a shot in the arm there. The Pari can't return to irminsul but instead they have their own sub-system whereby they die and get recycled through the Amrita and the big tree stump god to get rid of their filth before they can go out clean again.
Well, that's certainly a good failsafe for the creatures that are the second known method of purification that works against the Abyss. I wonder if it was developed as a result of observing the problems immortality caused to Kaenri'ans.
Deshret's accidental corruption of Apep and Rhukkadevata/Irminsul might have been the *reason* they went with immortality this time around, if you subscribe to the "trying to prevent the leylines from being corrupted by Forbidden Knowledge" hypothesis.
@@carolineribeiro9063 Apep was not in the best mindspace for the last few thousand years, and I'm pretty sure that Deshret didn't want to die and poison his best living friend and the world when he made that original agreement with it.
Considering the Adepti thought that reviving QiQi and in effect making her immortal was a way to make up for past mistakes (IE killing her) should it really be surprising that perhaps this mindset isnt something found in just the Adepti? What if its a combination of reasonings? Say Khaenri'ah was "cursed" by the abyss during the cataclysm and thus were so polluted that they couldn't be allowed to enter the leylines? Death in this case could very well destroy Teyvat so what would be the best way to make sure that pollution doesn't enter the leyline? Make those cursed being immortal so they can't "die." It could be a case of being forced between Damning the Khaenri'ans or Damning everyone and if your job is to protect Teyvat as a whole, the choice seems to be an easy one to make.
Idk but the Khaenri’aen immortality and wilderness curse occurring at a higher level of reality sounds very suspiciously honkai like since honkai is higher dimensional. Also death means a return to the leylines so the immortality curse keeps the corruption out and denies that they ever exist once they erode away. Also I think the immortality curse and the wilderness curse are the same curse. I also think the curse is definitely beyond the archons and likely beyond celestia. Forbidden knowledge seems like radioactive waste in certain ways. It’s also implied that the souls of hilichurls are trapped in the sustainer’s cubes.
the curse of the purebloods reminds me of a certain character in honkai who cannot die either fu hua, also the abnormal resistance that the purebloods have reminds me of the resistance that was sought in humans to fight against the honkai. It's just that in genshin they don't fight against the honkai but rather joined him, where coincidentally the gods that are protecting humanity have the appearance of the herrschers that they tried to destroy in other universes, leaving the phrase "You were the chosen one! The one who would destroy the abyss, not the one who would join them! You were supposed to bring balance to the a teyvat, not sink it into the abyss!"
It actually sounds more like a "blessing" of Yaoshi, Aeon of Abundance. In HSR this is the deity that wants to "cure" all living beings from mortality by spreading immortality. HSR and GI exist in the same universe, so there is a possibility that when Khaenria'h tried to get knowledge from beyond, Yaoshi as a higher dimensional being noticed them and decided to bless.
I think that the Curse of the Wilderness is "just" a side effect of extreme exposure to Forbidden Knowledge and the Curse of Immortality is there to keep them from further contaminating Irminsul upon their death. And I think that pure blooded Khaenri'ahns are just somehow extremely resistant to Abyssal energies, which should be explained by the theory that the Travelers actually providing in Teyvat extremely long ago and pure-blooded Khaenri'ahns are descended from their version of humanity.
If you read the text on "mourning flower" (found in 3.6 area) via the archive it has an interesting story that talks about beings being BARRED from samsara (the cycle) because they were tainted by the invasion war from the abyss. Which sounds eerily familiar to what happened when the curse was laid down on BOTH types of khaenria'ns. Also given that the celestial nails TRANSFORM forbidden knowledge into other forms it's possibly a nail WAS used to transform the forbidden knowledge tainted non-full blood khaenrians and in doing so changed them from human to hillichurl.
When I stumbled upon the scattered records in the tunnel leading to the door to khaenri'ah, from reading them I got the impression that being turned to monsters was merely an effect of contact with daylight after escaping the underworld - much less a curse...
Hey Aster, I just played trough the Khaverna of good and evil quest in the newest zone and while exploring there's a ton of hidden lore in random messages throughout the zone that connect to the main zone quest. I'd love for you to do a video on the new zone and how it's possibly the starting point of the cataclysm of Khaenria'h and also on the Schwannenritter knights and the Order of Skeptics. The quest has some awesome lore potential but the dialogue and the fact that they hid much of the dialogue in encrypted interactable notes, makes it really hard to fully understand. But you're quite good at doing videos on hidden and complex lore so that's why I'm suggesting it. Also the most confusing thing about this quest are some notes of Fontaine researchers we're handed trough the quest which talk about a few interesting topics - the fact that this new power Khaverna is the opposite of the abyss but has identical properties of the abyss power, the fact that the notes are seemingly written by a researcher but he talks about how he is a child and how his fellow expedition members are children, the fact that he mentions he and his friend's bodies are similar to the "sacred lotus" of the pari forest which has me absolutely confused (are they human or some other creatures, what's this sacred lotus anyway is it the god tree?), them talking about how khaenri'ahns used compacted lay line energy as a power source before the abyss cores and some other stuff related to fontaine that these notes mention. I believe they're teasing fontaine with this as this is the last sumeru zone and fontaine's next, perhaps most of the questions that these notes raise and the identities of those who have written them will be revealed in future storylines in fontaine but they've confused me a lot. Anyway gread video, keep it up!
Interesting.. I think you are on to something! I think Celestia didn't kill them because they had no way to seal away so much abyssal influence. They are quick to drop a nail on early civilizations that tap into abyssal energy (forbidden knowledge), but in each case we can see that the nail only suppresses the encroaching darkness but can NOT eradicate it. Each and every nail we have found was still accompanied by a presence of abyssal energy. Khaenri'ah was one of the most developed and advanced civilizations that worshiped no god while hidden deep underground they had surpassed what Celestia expected and that made it too late for just a nail to suppress the abyssal contamination. Hence why Khaenri'ah had to be destroyed manually (as we see in the cut scene at the beginning of the game). That destruction was done by "the 7" and NOT by Celestia. But Celestia did the curses, and that was to prevent the spread of Abyssal contamination reaching Irminsul. My question is how did Celestia force "the 7" to do that destruction? Was it some string connected to the gnosis or was it the same method they used to force all the gods to fight in the earlier war to see who would be the 7? Do they just threaten each god that they will throw a nail in their area of dominion and kill all their people if they don't do as told? Anyway I talk to much, good video!
Good point. Tho some folks in Teyvat messing up "Celestia" and "Archons" in one entity, it's more than clear that things are not that simple. I wonder *whom* Celestia really consists of - surely not only that lonely slumbering Sustainer of Heavenly Principles(tho it can be the option... but that'd be too boring, so I don't think so). Also we have that "gnosis-archon" concept, but as we can see now - Archons can exist and function pretty much without their gnoses, tho game swiftly implied that there *is* some sort of control/power from(or at least - link to) Celestia over one who possess gnosis. Tho it's not quite sure which % of power Archons have(-d) consisted of their own ones(and their's nation belief), and which "bonus%" from those gnosi. "How did Celestia forced the 7" is nice question indeed. Seeing how reluctant Barbados and Morax to even give hints to us in regards of such questions there for sure were some actions they made that they either: 1 - not proud of themselves doing those and don't want to share about that[but maybe there just wasn't better option atm]; 2 - Celestia did threaten them enough both to do what they done and to keep their mouth shut about that. Option 1 refers more to the Abyssal outbreak of hideous creatures all over Teyvat which was[by the info we have rn] Khaenria`hn's fault. Archons were forced to defend themselves both from Abyss and their rivals who used that opportunity trying to overthrow their rule, taking huge losses and losing their comrades, or even - friends... And then Celestia said "you know, those khaenrian prick are the one responsible for this?". I easily imagine them going rampage over Khaenria even without any "forcing" in such case. [2] Or, maybe they fought back and that was it, but Celestia said "no, that's not enough, you should lay waste that entire nation or *yours* will be next one". In this case, seeing with their own eyes what Celestia can do to their people - they maybe decided to chose "lesser evil" than daring to risk to have same outcome... If you rewatch Ei's story, fear of things happened repeating AGAIN was the only reason why Ei decided to declare her "Eternity"... So I think it perfectly answers to your question "how did Celestia forced?" - by showing example of what it can do and hinting that this can re repeated, if there will be need.
@@NightLancerX that’s true, only after witnessing what happened in Khaenri’ah’s, Ei decided to pursue eternity to the fullest. To prevent whatever happened to Khaenri’ah’s to happen to her nation. She became fearful that something would cause her nation to be destroyed by the heavenly principles
You know I always thought that the gnosis also act like inhibitor chips that either compelle or make the Archons more suggestible to orders from celestia even if they abhors the orders
The 3.6 world quest actually touched on this topic and made me think a lot, spoilers from reading documents during quest: We basically had first hand accounts detailing what happened during the cataclysm, Khaenriah broke through the barrier between realms unleashing Forbidden Knowledge into Teyvat. At some point in the quest I also thought that Celestia might be trying to preserve Khaenriahns, but then at the end I'm starting to think that maybe Celestia wasn't even the ones who cursed them because Celestia was not even mentioned by anyone including the Khaenriahns themselves. A first hand account said that Khaenriahns who escaped to the surface were met with a disease that turned them into monsters, this disease slowly spread to others and back underground to where other Khaenriahns were still around. It doesn't sound like Celestia used a curse on the entire civilisation, but something spread and turned them one by one. Whatever happened above ground, likely the spillage of other realms, Forbidden Knowledge into Teyvat turned Khaenriahns into monsters/hilichurls. But the documents didn't mention immortality, maybe because nobody knew at that point that they've become immortal or maybe this was a separate thing from Hilichurls and was actually Celestia "cursing" them with immortality sometime later. Whatever the case is, Khaenriah caused the cataclysm and had to pay for it even without Celestia cursing them, their hunger for power and defiance against nature and the divine brought destruction to the land and civilisation.
Iirc, aren’t they trying to find an alternative energy source aside from Azozite to power their nation? There’s notes left in the underground factory where they found a way to combine the power from the heavens (celestial power) and the abyssal power to produce a perpetual energy output. I don’t think Khaenri’ah was trying to actively rebel against the gods. The field tillers are also specifically mentioned to be used in agricultural means rather than fighting the gods, which we thought they were doing. The cataclysm happened likely because they couldn’t control the abyssal power thus causing Rhinedottir to unintentionally create alien monsters. They inevitably had to clean up their own mess; more evidence shown in the notes left within the ruin golems where Khaenri’ahn soldiers were at the forefront of fighting against the “onslaught of dark beasts.”
So in other words and correct me if I'm wrong because while I didn't play the world quest. I played the act 2 for nahida quest which basically confirms that the nails from Celestia aren't made for wiping out outside civilization but are made to stop and purify areas of forbidden knowledge at the cost of Terra forming teyvat.
Stfu christian I do think celestia cursed them to prevent them becoming abyss heralds and lectors And the reason why pure-blooded Khaenrians aren't turned into hilichurls? Because they haven't been under celestia's light for millenia, so celestia does not have much authority over their souls
I always thought about the curse of Immortality and the monsterfication of Khaenri'ah is a cruel joke in the Teyvat story trailer Dain said something in this line "But we Humans have our Humanity we'll defy this world with the power from beyond" it seems like Khaenri'ans are very proud of their Humanity and what humanity can achieve (getting powers equal or even surpassed Gods which Celestia didn't like) so they gave them the Ultimate punishment taking the one thing Khaenri'ans are very proud of their Humanity
My theory after Sorush world quest: Khaenri'ahns wanted the god's power and longevity so they started creating the ruin machines powered by a perpetual energy source. They tried to apply it to humans and screwed up bigtime so Heavenly principles said "I got you fam, you get immortality, everyone gets immortality!"
No, the non native Khaenri'ans definitwly had it better. They havr essentially already "died" and are unaware of what's happening. I'd rathee have oblivion than a slow descent to madness
Teyvat is hell --- creatures of hell that are tormented forever and cant die. Also if you did everything from Hu tao, she works as a spirit cleanser pretty much and she guides the souls to leylines to be deleted, reseted and reborn as new beings, just to suffer again :D
Actually, the should have killed them option, would perhaps have turned all of teyvat opposition to the gods... Leaving the Khaenriahns alive but forever cursed would serve as a warning threat to anybody else who would step out of line. With such a punishment, I have to admit Tsaritsa and the Harbingers have got grit to defy the heavenly principles. But you know what? I think you might be onto something when you suggested that maybe the gods granted eternal life to Khaenriahns. The gods have shown over and over to not completely understand humans. Venti is so far the one most familiar with the humans because he lived with them, through all the bad and good. Meanwhile the rest of the gods, even when very understanding of humans still lacked some understanding due to living as gods and elevated above the humans... Like kings who never seen the slum. I do not think this was the curse of the archons but that of the heavenly principles... and if it is so above everyone else...he probably wouldnt understand his own creations, so in his eyes, a curse like that is a gift... We have seen a few people been given gifts by divine entities and it turned into more of a curse for them, like Diona. But if Phanes created everything like time... then did he create the corrosion too? If not...how is he withstanding the erosion? And Apep? how is she handeling it? Her memory seemed more stable than Azdhahas...
@ChillwithAster , remember in the genshin trailer Dainsleif narrated "Yet buried in this world lies smouldering remains, a warning to those who dare trespass." this could be they get the Khaenrians alive."
the new update talks about seal and purification of corruption, maybe the abyss (I have not finished it yet). The power is called Khvarena, similar to Aranara cleansing Marana. But some notes say Khvarena and the Corruption cancels eachother out which is interesting..
I have this whole theory that the curse of immortality and the curse of wilderness is tied to their ambitions, or lack thereof for the Wilderness, and the stillness of ambition for Immortality. Loooong theory short, Rukkhadaveta in her Farewell says that only dreams can awaken the consciousness, and we can see this take effect in Caribert. Dreams are a very important thing in Teyvat, especially since even Makoto thinks that Dreams are important to the ideal of Eternity as well. And another word for Dreams is Ambition. Ok, so that’s the long theory short, for some miscellaneous explanation, please read on through :3 Ei shows us that she is capable of taking away ambition (well … hope you get what I’m saying.) So Gods being able to take away ALL of a persons ambition is also possible. And if being stripped of ONE ambition does that much damage, then being stripped of ALL ambition must be a much worse thing to go through, this would be the Curse of Wilderness. As for an ambition being stagnant, well a we are often found associating ambition with flames, a flame can get bigger or smaller throughout its life, and if that flame stays constant, it … well, it stays. Using this analogy, the Curse of Wilderness and the Curse of Immortality, have nothing to do with making one Wild or Immortal, they aren’t really even Curses to begin with … it’s quite literally manipulation of their ambition. The intent behind this manipulation judges if it can be called a Blessing (positive intent) or a Curse (negative intent). And we aren’t really told who did this Manipulation to begin with, and despite whatever the intent would of been, this manipulation still brought a lot of pain with it, so even if it was for the “greater good for (insert whoever here)” it will still be seen in a negative light, especially by those who are experiencing it. Ok, enough about the technicalities of what’s able to be called a Curse or Blessing. Someone out there, messed with Khaenri’ahn’s ambition on a National Level for currently unknown reason. This … is the fact. … I think that’s all I wanted to say? Well then, have a good day!
I saw a theroy that the Khernian nobililty dont have a different curse but that they are the theoretical "human like vishaps" we learn about in Enkanomiya and that Apep was talking trash about. Would explain the whole pupil thing and they would be resistant to Celestias powers because they arent descended from the Primordial One like Calibert would be.
Maybe it wasn't choice. The goal was to transform them into monsters but Kahenrians could be immune to this, and ended up only being immortal. I find it weird that they have a specific type of eyes and the game like to remind us that a lot of Kahenrians have "pure blood", so maybe like Klee they aren't human but... Something else ? The last artifact set from Fontaine we got mentions a hero who wanted to build a realm that doesn't depend on elements, but it also said that the dragon didn't kill the hero but disappeared with him. What if Kahenrians were the descendants of dragons ? Or maybe they could be a species artificially created like Albedo was, but with an energy that doesn't mix well with the power of Celestia. After all the dragons are against Celestia and Gold used to live in Kahenriah.
I also feel like that Khaenri'ahnians do not have a place in the world now. Every nation serves an Archon, and they probably would never live in a nation ruled by an Archon. In addition, remaining unchanging in a city for centuries isn't feasible. Someone is gonna know that something is up. Celestia ultimately took away their place in Teyvat. They are trapped not only in their bodies and minds, but they are also trapped in a world in which they have no place in. Their punishment continues for eternity or until their souls are eroded away. Truly horrific imo.
Spoilers for Nahida story quest 2: What I found fascinating was that the forbidden knowledge that's entangled with Khaenriah existed back during the primordial one's takeover of teyvat. Apep was heavily implied if not outright stated to be one of the original dragon lords. And it admitted to trying to use forbidden knowledge to combat against the primordial one and it's shades. So is it something that existed during the reign of the dragon lords or something the primordial one brought with them?
@@Jack_Ss I understood it as something along the lines of the dragon lords and king attempted to weaponize Forbidden knowledge against the primordial one but the king died and the dragons lost. And as Apep was trying to gather more the celestial nail fell from the sky and we got the desert portion of Sumeru. Later Deshret obtained Forbidden knowledge that Apep failed to properly gather with the help of the goddess of flowers and infected Apep with his death. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
@@Nightshade860 that could be it. Maybe that's the origin of Forbidden Knowledge in Teyvat in the first place is the Dragon King bringing it into Teyvat for power
I believe Irminsul have it's own sense of time, there is a god of time. If the Khaenrians are rejected from Irminsul they stop aging (if that is controlled by irminsul) but they still experenses corrosion and follow the time around them. Teyvat time might move at a much faster rate than everything around it so when the traveler was gone for 500 years he might been outside the time barrier for 5 minutes. What if Teyvat and everything around it is extremly poluted and that cause corrosion. Then a faster sense of time would make the average human to die of old age before they experiense corrosion while everything older experience it (for example aranara and archons). The quest in the Chasm where they get trapped might be outside (or in the center) of Irminsul where time seemed to stand still but everyone there got affected by corrosion. So faster time means less corrosion and slower time a lot of corrosion.
They should have killed them all...unless it was a side-effect. Spoiler :- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . In the new story quest related to pari we learn, that dainsleif teamed up with Nagarjuna(the one handed sage) and the Pari to fight the corruption. Theory:- Maybe Khaenriah was the last line of defense, against corruption. Corruption taints living beings, but what if the enemies weren't living? Hence come the field tiller and ruin machines. When the heavenly principles saw that even the last line, Khaenriah is crumbling, they couldn't wait any longer and sent all archons to aid the khaenrians, but during this expedition, hydro and electro archon met their end(these are the only two confirmed to have died during cataclysm) and the heavenly principles lost their patience and decided to seal the entirety of the place, along with the khaenriahns trying to protect teyvat. Natural born khaenriahns probably had some sort of resistance to the abyssal power, but others didn't, and hence hilichurls were born from those who couldn't resist the abyssal power. Others were tainted with a state of stasis. This betrayal by the heavenly principles broke off whatever trust khaenriahns had on celestia. It even disillusioned the archons who were fighting against corruption along side khaenriah. Thus the archons allowed dain and other sibling to freely go around teyvat on a pilgrimage(I mean why would you let the two of the most important figures of khaenriahn history roam around freely if they were your enemies?). Thats why the archons haven't banded together to destroy abyss already(I mean at least zhongli, tsaritsa and shogun were more than powerful enough to launch an expedition) and why they are breaking off their connection with celestia, by giving away their gnosis.
If that's true then the archons are stupid and petty, what else could Celestia do? They where losing and the nails were the only choice while they were in one place, instead of letting them spread all over and because harder to deal with, if that reasonable action in a desperate Situation, was enough for the archons to go against Celestia then they didn't deserve to have seats there to begin with,
“Both good things and bad things can be called gifts. After all. Gods have never needed to be reasonable.” I wander wether that is supposed to be a hint. The other cryptic things that Scara says are meant to be believed and with Apap stating clearly that the heavenly principles care about humanity, as well as other evidence coming from the fact that they assisted humanity for a very long time makes me wonder whether in their eyes, it was ‘ maintenance compensation’.
For those who finished the 3.6 Pari's quests: we know now that Dainsleaf was already cursed and fighting monsters of the abyss during/before that Cataclysm ended. So the strongest theory for me is: Khaerian'ahs cursed top agents in order for them to find a way and prevent the Cataclysm from ever happening. It is even possible that Dainsleaf even managed to manipulate the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles into binding the twins to Teyvat. As for the monster, it is definetly Celestia's curse as a way to cleanse forbidden knowledge and reabsorbing all corrupted humans into the Irminsul.
Khanri'ahns treat immortality as a form of torture. Death is actually a kindness for them. Otherwise, they wouldn't be yearning to die. If you want a special punishment for someone, denying them death while living a life of torment would be the worst sentence to pass.
The curse was chosen so that heretics would live an existence similar, but twisted, to that of archons. That's why some hilichurls have elemental powers and a primitive lifestyle, having a compulsion to worship practically anything, totally different from humans who sought science and perfection and were not subject to worshiping the archons and their elemental blessings. Is there worse torture than living eternally attached to everything you've repudiated the most?
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I am pro immortality and would like to be immortal myself, there are many things I'd personally like to be able to witness one day out of sheer curiosity, and more things I want to do than what can fit in a single lifetime, and my most purest ambition is not possible with our current technology. But in regards to ideas surrounding immortality, think about this; Our concepts, philosophies, and general consensus on life and death is based on our already existing knowledge that our lives are finite to begin with. We can only assume how immortality would be based on these preconceived biases, but we'd never know unless it happened. Sure its possible that the initial immortal generation has some issues dealing with it, but as the generations go on we'd adapt. Furthermore people always paint immortality as if you'd be a single person immortal by yourself when in reality you would not be the sole immortal person meaning you'd always have people to talk to. Chances are at least for a long time the type of immortality it would be would simply be an infinite natural lifespan, but you could be killed, which means people wouldn't be forced to stay forever if they truly didn't want to, though that is a separate can of worms venturing into assisted suicide. Now its true that the infinite amount of time immortality would bring is impossible to grasp as a concept, but that applies both whether you are for or against it. Some people may say you'd run our of things to do, but there is quite literally infinite things out there, the idea that you'd be able to see and do everything is literally impossible, but with infinite time it being impossible wouldn't matter. You only run out of things to do if you limit yourself.
LET'S just take roosvelt's theory as facts about the vishap people... what if inmortality//becomming monsters it's just a consecuence of clensing forbidden knowledge with the nail? Celestia counted on the abyss monsters part, paying no mind about it, but didn't count with Khaenriah'ns being some sort of past legacy of dragons/seelies/whatever they might come from (since the primogem is very moon connected to belong to humans) that was actually clensed with the nail and became inmortals as their ancestors.
It seems to me that the reason Celestia cursed them with immortality is the same reason why Greater Lord Rukka needed to be erased: If they die with corruption from forbidden knowledge, that gets written into the Irminsul tree too. We had to literally erase Rukka from the tree to help protect it from the corruption. I think that those who were cursed with immortality were done to prevent them from dying and therefore embedding the corruption into the tree. At least until the next samsara reset.
If to believe the theory of samsara (that this world lives in endless repeating cycle) dying means release and starting everything anew. So killing them all means letting them freely start everything all over. So they were ripped of the cycle and were cursed to suffer without relief. And the pure citizens were left with their appearance to make them suffer from guilt and despair as more cruel punishment. Regular hilichurls are like stupid and don’t feel deep pain or regret. (Sorry fr my eng)
After the sumeru chapter, if nothing changes too much (like, that khaenriah actually returns in the present) what we are gonna do in the khaenriah chapter is entirely see the abyss sibling's journey in this nation, and from it the title of "the dream yet to be dreamed"
Hello i come here with a probably dumb question but to anyone who played the Pari quest, there are notes mentioning one armed priest (not sure if that is correct), could that maybe be Pierro ?
If pure blooded khaenriah such as dain were cursed with immortality like clothar why does in pari quest mention that dain literally already half monster when he was found?
Plot twist: 10:00 No aster that was their plan all along. "The slow knife". Muhaahahahha Also so are the archons lesser gods? Cause the heavenly principles sounds like the real "gods" or something. At least with how genshin characters talk about her/him
@Harry Shade are they demon gods in the actual lore? Cause if your referring to the arts goes goestia (spelled it wrong you know what I mean) then I don't understand why we use a completely different book from something completely different as a reference for power
honestly, i always thought as it the gods saw death being too easy of a punishment for the sinners and needed a much heavier one like immortality. maybe they were aware that this could backfire on them. we just maybe havent seen any action taken from them yet
Nice lore theories, Take it slow and don't be pressured by time limits. Because as what I understand about lore content theories, its the quality of the presentation and not how fast a content creator upload a content 😅. Your at your best when your not being pressured by due dates ❤❤❤
When i reached Sumeru and i learned of the word Samsara, we obtained a new possibility. The cycle of life, death and rebirth. Samsara is a cycle, a loop. And so, what if each person that dies gets reincarnated? Then this curse of immortality would prevent said characters from going through the cycle. For what reason? I don't know.
Possible, but what? Intended or unintended.. and from who? Until we know that we can only theorise so far. As it involves Kheanriah it is central to the story.
Immortality, is it a curse or blessing? depends on the person. I will try different things if i ever become one. Like jumping off the highest building just to test it then i will use this ability to protect people.
someday, the monster curse will shed its curse to become free of the curse and return the people to its original form or ascended to afterlife. an mercy best ending i would hope for
Hey Aster, have you seen the theory that zhongli is a dragon sovereign that was defeated by phanes and made to sign a contract, which is why he can't speak of anything to the traveller? Its rlly interesting. There is also the theory by wei that he is a descender
My assumption has always been that the Khaenr'ians weren't killed because of forbidden knowledge. If they had forbidden knowledge, then if they died normally it could get into Irminsul when it absorbed their memories. But by cursing people to become hilichurls and lose their minds before dissolving, any forbidden knowledge they had wouldn't enter Irminsul. I'm not sure why the full Khaenr'ians weren't cursed to become monsters, but they still seem to lose their minds eventually. Maybe Celestia inflicted it as a harsher punishment since they would have more of their faculties, meaning that the slow descent into erosion would be more horrifying to them.
Perhaps they wanted to preserve the Khaenri’ahns for some future purpose? It’s been hinted that Teyvat has a cyclical history, perhaps the gods keeping around a group of vengeful people is their way of fueling this. What’s their endgame though?
i know you said you havent done some of the newer quests do to the slight burn out of genshin. So is it ok to use later knowledge you dont know to discuss in comments or is it not a problem??? Cause i feel like the part where you said celestia 'cursed' khaenriah to help them actually has validity because of one of the newer quests talking about evolution and the cost of it when forced which could be the side effect of the 'curse'. As to why it affects everyone differently honestly no clue it could be the abyssal energy was too strong and warped the 'curse'.
It has been a long time since fans have discussed the Elements of Light and Darkness. I don't know if they'd ever be added (I think Hoyoverse stated that Dendro would be the last). But, it was fun seeing the discussion. If they were to add them; how would you explain new enemies having these Elements and new Visions? Both Light and Darkness are among my favorite Fantasy Elements (I'd love it if Avatar added them too).
No matter how often everyone says that "immortality is a curse", and "erosion will get you", immortality is the only thing I want, everything else can be achieved through work. You only "erode" if you stand still, you only forget things that are waaaaay back in the past. Just enjoy the day, dont think about yesterday or tomorrow and immortality is the best thing that could ever happen to you. What if your husband/wife died 300 years ago? Like every living being, immortal or not, you move on, you forget, and time will wash the past away. You can propably start a family every hundred years and everytime, you get to see the world in a new light. Maybe its just the researcher inside me, but there are so many things to do, so many things to see, so many things that are still in the distant future. You can have em all if you are immortal. (also I think "immortal" is not "immortal". If you jump into a black hole, you propably wont come back, no matter what. You just need to wait until spaceships are good enough to reach one^^)
If you are immortal then time we'll fly by and before you know it you'd be floating in space becuse we experience time faster the longer we live, Sooner than later entire decades well flow by then hundreds of years well feel like months, you child is born and in a blink of an eye you're standing next to their death bed dying from old age, and you'll be there to watch the end of humanity,and then the end of earth and finally you'll find your self in a time where all the stars died out and a the black holes corroded from Hawkang radiation, you'll still be alive in a black void, until the heat death of the universe,
@@mitab1 Why would you be floating in space? By the time 'everything' dies, you will already have turned into a godly being through the power of technology. When you're in control, there is no emptiness unless you decide you want the emptiness to be there.
@@mitab1 Time does not move faster if you are older, you just precieve it to be moving faster. And even that does not accelerate into infinity. If you (age 10.000) have a child, and you wake up next to it every day, and do stuff with it every day, your "time" wont accelerate because "stuff is happening". Time only moves fast if you have a full time job, or nothing to do at all, because in both cases your entire reason for existing is to wait until it is over and something new/interesting hopefully appears.
@@mitab1 It's 2023 and we are already a few steps away from becoming living gods. Unless the world ends this century, I'm 100% positive there'd be nothing to stop humanity from progressing even further.
I don't think it's a punishment, neither is it a psychological one, and I think the last one is different. The abyss, because I think it was the abyss that "cursed" him, he was looking for servers, his own army or minions, so he used the same humans and turned them into hilichurs, these against their will, their memories were corrupted, now they serve and adore the one who is called a sinner, and this began during the first cataclysm. Now the question is why were the purebloods only immortal? I would say that it is because they possibly have a connection with the original humans who obtained resistance to the abyss or have a connection with humans who already had a natural resistance and that was not equal to the humans. It is where 2 points come in, first the twins that they show to have an abnormal resistance to the abyssal energies in an ignata way. What was their world like for them to have these resistance?- and the second is that in honkai impact 3 he tells you that after losing the war against the honkai, a project was made for humans to gain a resistance against the honkai and they would fight against him when he returned and that's how the valkyries were born, it would be those of Khaenria its equivalent only that they ended up joining the abyss, believing that they must fight against the gods that coincidentally look like the hersschers in honkai.
This is the Dark Souls of Genshin Impact theory videos. But seriously, the ideo of taking death away from people to stop them from challanging the rule of the Divine and/or from spreading their "darkness" is similar to the curse of the undead from Dark Souls, even the whole mental and physical deteorioration that monsters like hilichurls suffer after they die and respawn is similar to going Hollow. I do think that the idea of preventing the Ley lines from getting contaminated with the "wrong thinking" from Khaenri'ah was one of the reasons for cursing them with immortality, letting time destroy them slowly instead.
Great video as always. Im interested in hearing you talk about other games or whatever with your analysis. I came for genshin but I'm staying for your outlook on the world.
what if the idea to curse Khaenri'ahns was taken from Lumine and Aether? Their world was destroyed, but they still are alive somehow. And they do not die after being (repeatedly) smashed and slapped against walls. And the fact that they can never find a home yet are still alive after leaving so many worlds (maybe the worlds were even destroyed so they couldn't stay there even if they wanted to). It's just weird how LONG they have survived and how unscared they are of death, even if they're in a whole different world with a whole different afterlife in which they shouldn't be included. Maybe, when they find their home, they will die instantly (like the inteyvat, yk?). + clothar could've meant the curse of immortality as the thing our sibbling brought to khaenriah in "but what did you bring us instead, oh prince/ss of khaenriah"
The Hilichurls most definitely got the short end of the stick compared to the pure Khaenri’ahns. Both still suffer from Erosion, the gradual degradation of their minds and bodies over the course of centuries. But unlike pure Khaenri’ahns such as Dainsleif, Hilichurls lack the intelligence to find ways to stave off its progression, or even to truly understand what’s happening to them. They’re left with no option but to helplessly wither away for eternity. They’re not mindless or insensate, we know they're smart enough to have their own language and sentient enough to feel the pain and suffering that Erosion inflicts, they’re just powerless to do anything about it, other than simply curling up and waiting until they fade away into the darkness. Furthermore, in concert with the fact that Celestia (or whoever it was who cursed Khaenri’ah) not only created two different curses, but also singled out one subset of the Khaenri’ahn population for the crueler variant based purely on their ancestry, I strongly suspect that whoever was responsible was motivated by spite and sadism, not necessity (e.g. quarantining Forbidden Knowledge from the Irminsul) or justice (e.g. punishing those personally responsible for unleashing Forbidden Knowledge and/or causing the Cataclysm). Why else would Chlothar, a grown man, only be burdened with immortality, when Caribert, a young child, was stricken with transformation into a Hilichurl? What could Caribert possibly have done to merit a more extreme punishment than his father?
In regards to long life spans... I mean, there are some elderly who can't wait to die and some still want to live forever. So it kind if depends on what kind of life you have...😂
For me, they were spared to make them suffer forever, in a quest it says that they aren't immune to erosion. They have to live knowing ''their sins'', they are the living to not try to rebel against gods
yo what if the immortality thing is just a mental thing, theyre like ah im cursed i cannot die no matter what, but if they truly want to die they will, like maybe clothar?
And people still think Khaenri'ah would ever stand against celestia,making unrealistic theory about them using robot to beat celestia. Even with abyss power,ppl need to remember if they can purified it,they is unstoppable
Now that you mention the twins ability of purifying, what if they were originally summoned by khaenri'ah because they were supposed to use that ability in order to get rid of the pollution that affected the nation? That would explain why the Sibling lived with Pierro at the time (I think), as they would work on doing a massive purification thing that may or not triggered Celestia.
Or may be if the second one who came won the first war phases and his shades curse them and pretending to be them self and they pretending to be the second one But. If first one who came won the war second one may curse them and pretending they don’t do it😂
I think immortality is the lesser of the punishment just like how not all criminals are not given the death sentence but imprisonment, it could be that Celestia is taking the moral ground by saying "reflect in your actions" As for the curse of wilderness is quite worse because it's the punishment humans received after betraying their Gods, being turned into a monster left to be killed by humans or the Gods they betrayed As for why Celestia decided to make such an odd choice instead of going for the Extermination i can think of two reasons 1. Either they're confident that no matter who comes for revenge there's nothing they can do to harm Celestia's rule 2. It was a rushed decision by whoever came down from Celestia to dish out the punishments because there's no one incharge up there ☝️
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After the Sumeru chapter, I assumed that Khaenrians were made immortal as a sort of quarantine to keep their memories out of Irminsul.
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Yea they are tainted with Forbidden Knowledge so preventing them from returning to Irminsul(afterlife) is literally the optimal solution to save Teyvat. Khaenriahns really are the fault for their own destruction and causing the cataclysm.
If, by their memories, you mean any sort of forbidden knowledge then that wouldn't work, since they can still write it down and irminsul records everything written.
@Bogdan It can be censored tho
Immortality is a two edged sword: you can do whatever you want and whatever time you can take. It is also a form of effective punishment because it prevents them from dying and eventually escaping the wrath of a God. Death is a great passcard when you are dealing with such.
It could be not intentional also.. As in those who think life is important so pain is to be tolerated, like in cases of fatal diseases. Which can mix with the psychological torture idea and the keeping the leylines clean or quarantine idea. Like what the God of Love in Teyvat might have done before she lost her love for her people and "they have no love left for her". Venti and Zhongli in certain ways suggested that the details we ask of may not be as vague or detailed as we imagine. I saw something recently where I think Nahida says directly that it isn't as hard as our questions make it out to be..
When you mention how faruzan was locked in a stasis without needing food or rest, the exactly same thing happened in Perilous Trail where everyone in that quest gets locked in an adeptus domain in the chasm that pauses their physical needs of eating, drinking and phyysical fatigue but doesn't stop them from being mentally fatigued. I think this is something similar to what happened to faruzan in those ruins, perhaps Deshret had some technology similar to the adeptal domains.
Agreed but with the added note that whatever the chasm quest was it wasn’t an adepti domain, it’s been a year so I don’t remember exactly but I think (and this is a mix of what I remember from the quest and my own interpretation so take with a grain of salt) that since that was the place the abyss was spilling out into the chasm that once it was sealed off it existed as a domain outside of teyvat, extra-dimensionally so, governed by the laws of the abyss; which according to Nahida make absolutely no sense to anyone from teyvat but does seem to have a creepy amount of self awareness o-o.
@@mclaire9447 Yeah it's been a while, from what I can remember is it was a domain created by using human exorcist magic from yelan's clan and the Yaksha's adeptal powers and it was created as a trap for the abyss monsters during the cataclysm as a last resort by yelan's ancestor and bosacius because they were losing to the monsters and so they just trapped them all in there. The domain utilized personally tailored illusions to inflict psychical damage upon the beings trapped inside but it kept them alive. I don't know maybe you're right and it's related to abyssal energy or "forbidden knowledge" and some of king deshret's ruins turned into that after the corruption with forbidden knowledge or maybe it's something made to keep corrupting energies and monsters inside and slowly kill them and wither away their life essence. I will have to read the quest again to remember what's the case but either way there's deffinitely a connection between faruzan and that place.
@@mclaire9447 Well apparently it's called "The Chasm's Bed" it's in the wiki, it's not an adepti/human magic domain but it was indeed sealed by those powers and it's not an abyssal domain either as it was said to have existed before the cataclysm. So it's like an SCP location in genshin. Considering how old it is, my theories it that it's either - a place created by the dragons - the original inhabitants of Teyvat, a place created by some god be it teyvat born like the archons and the other gods from the archon wars or a descender like the primordial ones, a layline anomaly location where the laylines are so close they try to entrap the souls of creatures and suck them into them (the most plausable in my opinion), thus explaining why they can read their minds -because laylines are connected to the memories of all living things and the illusions we fight there and the compass artifact we use to escape are memories of the characters in there, or it's really an abyssal domain. I think it's a layline domain though.
And happened to the cubeifyed sibling.
@@GiantBUThead i think it's from the War with Primodial One and Second Throne. And the nail is right above it too. To seal it I guess.
My gut instinct tells me that the reason they were spared is the same reason the twins weren't killed
To save Teyvat and purify the corruption. The twins are meant to lead Khaenri’ah and the immortal Khaenri’ahns as their Archon.
@@Zarozian the abyss twin died thu, their data is within the 🌳. And they finished their first cycle and saw everything thats why they went to the abyss
@@vilvethope Dont say it like its a fact. We know that there are creatures powerful enough to manipulate the tree.
I’ll screenshot this comment and get back to you after we find out
@@Azzywrld224 You're gonna have way too many screenshots until then , probably delete it by accident...
Ahh the pain
The new stuff for 3.6 adds to the conversation by saying the Pari are also essentially undying creatures that never have their memories sent to Irminsul. That whole theory about Khaenri'ahns being stopped from having their memories contaminating Irminsul got a shot in the arm there. The Pari can't return to irminsul but instead they have their own sub-system whereby they die and get recycled through the Amrita and the big tree stump god to get rid of their filth before they can go out clean again.
The pari don't return to Irminsul, but the Khaenri'ahns would have.
Well, that's certainly a good failsafe for the creatures that are the second known method of purification that works against the Abyss. I wonder if it was developed as a result of observing the problems immortality caused to Kaenri'ans.
Deshret's accidental corruption of Apep and Rhukkadevata/Irminsul might have been the *reason* they went with immortality this time around, if you subscribe to the "trying to prevent the leylines from being corrupted by Forbidden Knowledge" hypothesis.
Was it accidental? Apep made it sound like Deshret planned it.
@@carolineribeiro9063 Apep was not in the best mindspace for the last few thousand years, and I'm pretty sure that Deshret didn't want to die and poison his best living friend and the world when he made that original agreement with it.
Considering the Adepti thought that reviving QiQi and in effect making her immortal was a way to make up for past mistakes (IE killing her) should it really be surprising that perhaps this mindset isnt something found in just the Adepti? What if its a combination of reasonings? Say Khaenri'ah was "cursed" by the abyss during the cataclysm and thus were so polluted that they couldn't be allowed to enter the leylines? Death in this case could very well destroy Teyvat so what would be the best way to make sure that pollution doesn't enter the leyline? Make those cursed being immortal so they can't "die." It could be a case of being forced between Damning the Khaenri'ans or Damning everyone and if your job is to protect Teyvat as a whole, the choice seems to be an easy one to make.
Idk but the Khaenri’aen immortality and wilderness curse occurring at a higher level of reality sounds very suspiciously honkai like since honkai is higher dimensional. Also death means a return to the leylines so the immortality curse keeps the corruption out and denies that they ever exist once they erode away. Also I think the immortality curse and the wilderness curse are the same curse. I also think the curse is definitely beyond the archons and likely beyond celestia. Forbidden knowledge seems like radioactive waste in certain ways. It’s also implied that the souls of hilichurls are trapped in the sustainer’s cubes.
the curse of the purebloods reminds me of a certain character in honkai who cannot die either fu hua, also the abnormal resistance that the purebloods have reminds me of the resistance that was sought in humans to fight against the honkai.
It's just that in genshin they don't fight against the honkai but rather joined him, where coincidentally the gods that are protecting humanity have the appearance of the herrschers that they tried to destroy in other universes, leaving the phrase "You were the chosen one! The one who would destroy the abyss, not the one who would join them! You were supposed to bring balance to the a teyvat, not sink it into the abyss!"
It actually sounds more like a "blessing" of Yaoshi, Aeon of Abundance. In HSR this is the deity that wants to "cure" all living beings from mortality by spreading immortality. HSR and GI exist in the same universe, so there is a possibility that when Khaenria'h tried to get knowledge from beyond, Yaoshi as a higher dimensional being noticed them and decided to bless.
I think that the Curse of the Wilderness is "just" a side effect of extreme exposure to Forbidden Knowledge and the Curse of Immortality is there to keep them from further contaminating Irminsul upon their death. And I think that pure blooded Khaenri'ahns are just somehow extremely resistant to Abyssal energies, which should be explained by the theory that the Travelers actually providing in Teyvat extremely long ago and pure-blooded Khaenri'ahns are descended from their version of humanity.
@@alexpav845 isnt it just a theory that they exist in the same verse?
@@breezysuperfam4578 nope, developers themselves confirmed this.
If you read the text on "mourning flower" (found in 3.6 area) via the archive it has an interesting story that talks about beings being BARRED from samsara (the cycle) because they were tainted by the invasion war from the abyss. Which sounds eerily familiar to what happened when the curse was laid down on BOTH types of khaenria'ns. Also given that the celestial nails TRANSFORM forbidden knowledge into other forms it's possibly a nail WAS used to transform the forbidden knowledge tainted non-full blood khaenrians and in doing so changed them from human to hillichurl.
When I stumbled upon the scattered records in the tunnel leading to the door to khaenri'ah, from reading them I got the impression that being turned to monsters was merely an effect of contact with daylight after escaping the underworld - much less a curse...
I think you should play the 3.6 world quest. It has very important lore about Khaenri’ah and trust me it is totally worth it.
Hey Aster, I just played trough the Khaverna of good and evil quest in the newest zone and while exploring there's a ton of hidden lore in random messages throughout the zone that connect to the main zone quest. I'd love for you to do a video on the new zone and how it's possibly the starting point of the cataclysm of Khaenria'h and also on the Schwannenritter knights and the Order of Skeptics. The quest has some awesome lore potential but the dialogue and the fact that they hid much of the dialogue in encrypted interactable notes, makes it really hard to fully understand. But you're quite good at doing videos on hidden and complex lore so that's why I'm suggesting it. Also the most confusing thing about this quest are some notes of Fontaine researchers we're handed trough the quest which talk about a few interesting topics - the fact that this new power Khaverna is the opposite of the abyss but has identical properties of the abyss power, the fact that the notes are seemingly written by a researcher but he talks about how he is a child and how his fellow expedition members are children, the fact that he mentions he and his friend's bodies are similar to the "sacred lotus" of the pari forest which has me absolutely confused (are they human or some other creatures, what's this sacred lotus anyway is it the god tree?), them talking about how khaenri'ahns used compacted lay line energy as a power source before the abyss cores and some other stuff related to fontaine that these notes mention. I believe they're teasing fontaine with this as this is the last sumeru zone and fontaine's next, perhaps most of the questions that these notes raise and the identities of those who have written them will be revealed in future storylines in fontaine but they've confused me a lot. Anyway gread video, keep it up!
Interesting.. I think you are on to something! I think Celestia didn't kill them because they had no way to seal away so much abyssal influence.
They are quick to drop a nail on early civilizations that tap into abyssal energy (forbidden knowledge), but in each case we can see that the nail only suppresses the encroaching darkness but can NOT eradicate it. Each and every nail we have found was still accompanied by a presence of abyssal energy.
Khaenri'ah was one of the most developed and advanced civilizations that worshiped no god while hidden deep underground they had surpassed what Celestia expected and that made it too late for just a nail to suppress the abyssal contamination. Hence why Khaenri'ah had to be destroyed manually (as we see in the cut scene at the beginning of the game). That destruction was done by "the 7" and NOT by Celestia.
But Celestia did the curses, and that was to prevent the spread of Abyssal contamination reaching Irminsul. My question is how did Celestia force "the 7" to do that destruction? Was it some string connected to the gnosis or was it the same method they used to force all the gods to fight in the earlier war to see who would be the 7? Do they just threaten each god that they will throw a nail in their area of dominion and kill all their people if they don't do as told?
Anyway I talk to much, good video!
Good point. Tho some folks in Teyvat messing up "Celestia" and "Archons" in one entity, it's more than clear that things are not that simple. I wonder *whom* Celestia really consists of - surely not only that lonely slumbering Sustainer of Heavenly Principles(tho it can be the option... but that'd be too boring, so I don't think so).
Also we have that "gnosis-archon" concept, but as we can see now - Archons can exist and function pretty much without their gnoses, tho game swiftly implied that there *is* some sort of control/power from(or at least - link to) Celestia over one who possess gnosis. Tho it's not quite sure which % of power Archons have(-d) consisted of their own ones(and their's nation belief), and which "bonus%" from those gnosi.
"How did Celestia forced the 7" is nice question indeed. Seeing how reluctant Barbados and Morax to even give hints to us in regards of such questions there for sure were some actions they made that they either: 1 - not proud of themselves doing those and don't want to share about that[but maybe there just wasn't better option atm]; 2 - Celestia did threaten them enough both to do what they done and to keep their mouth shut about that.
Option 1 refers more to the Abyssal outbreak of hideous creatures all over Teyvat which was[by the info we have rn] Khaenria`hn's fault. Archons were forced to defend themselves both from Abyss and their rivals who used that opportunity trying to overthrow their rule, taking huge losses and losing their comrades, or even - friends... And then Celestia said "you know, those khaenrian prick are the one responsible for this?". I easily imagine them going rampage over Khaenria even without any "forcing" in such case.
[2] Or, maybe they fought back and that was it, but Celestia said "no, that's not enough, you should lay waste that entire nation or *yours* will be next one". In this case, seeing with their own eyes what Celestia can do to their people - they maybe decided to chose "lesser evil" than daring to risk to have same outcome... If you rewatch Ei's story, fear of things happened repeating AGAIN was the only reason why Ei decided to declare her "Eternity"...
So I think it perfectly answers to your question "how did Celestia forced?" - by showing example of what it can do and hinting that this can re repeated, if there will be need.
@@NightLancerX that’s true, only after witnessing what happened in Khaenri’ah’s, Ei decided to pursue eternity to the fullest. To prevent whatever happened to Khaenri’ah’s to happen to her nation. She became fearful that something would cause her nation to be destroyed by the heavenly principles
You know I always thought that the gnosis also act like inhibitor chips that either compelle or make the Archons more suggestible to orders from celestia even if they abhors the orders
The 3.6 world quest actually touched on this topic and made me think a lot, spoilers from reading documents during quest:
We basically had first hand accounts detailing what happened during the cataclysm, Khaenriah broke through the barrier between realms unleashing Forbidden Knowledge into Teyvat. At some point in the quest I also thought that Celestia might be trying to preserve Khaenriahns, but then at the end I'm starting to think that maybe Celestia wasn't even the ones who cursed them because Celestia was not even mentioned by anyone including the Khaenriahns themselves.
A first hand account said that Khaenriahns who escaped to the surface were met with a disease that turned them into monsters, this disease slowly spread to others and back underground to where other Khaenriahns were still around. It doesn't sound like Celestia used a curse on the entire civilisation, but something spread and turned them one by one. Whatever happened above ground, likely the spillage of other realms, Forbidden Knowledge into Teyvat turned Khaenriahns into monsters/hilichurls.
But the documents didn't mention immortality, maybe because nobody knew at that point that they've become immortal or maybe this was a separate thing from Hilichurls and was actually Celestia "cursing" them with immortality sometime later.
Whatever the case is, Khaenriah caused the cataclysm and had to pay for it even without Celestia cursing them, their hunger for power and defiance against nature and the divine brought destruction to the land and civilisation.
Iirc, aren’t they trying to find an alternative energy source aside from Azozite to power their nation? There’s notes left in the underground factory where they found a way to combine the power from the heavens (celestial power) and the abyssal power to produce a perpetual energy output.
I don’t think Khaenri’ah was trying to actively rebel against the gods. The field tillers are also specifically mentioned to be used in agricultural means rather than fighting the gods, which we thought they were doing. The cataclysm happened likely because they couldn’t control the abyssal power thus causing Rhinedottir to unintentionally create alien monsters. They inevitably had to clean up their own mess; more evidence shown in the notes left within the ruin golems where Khaenri’ahn soldiers were at the forefront of fighting against the “onslaught of dark beasts.”
So in other words and correct me if I'm wrong because while I didn't play the world quest. I played the act 2 for nahida quest which basically confirms that the nails from Celestia aren't made for wiping out outside civilization but are made to stop and purify areas of forbidden knowledge at the cost of Terra forming teyvat.
@@rushalias8511 yes
Stfu christian
I do think celestia cursed them to prevent them becoming abyss heralds and lectors
And the reason why pure-blooded Khaenrians aren't turned into hilichurls? Because they haven't been under celestia's light for millenia, so celestia does not have much authority over their souls
I always thought about the curse of Immortality and the monsterfication of Khaenri'ah is a cruel joke in the Teyvat story trailer Dain said something in this line "But we Humans have our Humanity we'll defy this world with the power from beyond" it seems like Khaenri'ans are very proud of their Humanity and what humanity can achieve (getting powers equal or even surpassed Gods which Celestia didn't like) so they gave them the Ultimate punishment taking the one thing Khaenri'ans are very proud of their Humanity
My theory after Sorush world quest: Khaenri'ahns wanted the god's power and longevity so they started creating the ruin machines powered by a perpetual energy source. They tried to apply it to humans and screwed up bigtime so Heavenly principles said "I got you fam, you get immortality, everyone gets immortality!"
We don't know a lot about Pierro but Dain and Chlothard don't seem to seek revenge on the gods even if they obviously don't like them
Umm abyss order literally wants to tear down the heavens
@@ManiyaVinas that why I precise Dain and Chlothard, I didn't mention the Abyss order
Even relative longevity has its implications, but full on immortality could really become agonizing.
I’m glad to see you still uploading aster after your last video, remember if you need to take a break take one ❤
No, the non native Khaenri'ans definitwly had it better. They havr essentially already "died" and are unaware of what's happening. I'd rathee have oblivion than a slow descent to madness
Teyvat is hell --- creatures of hell that are tormented forever and cant die.
Also if you did everything from Hu tao, she works as a spirit cleanser pretty much and she guides the souls to leylines to be deleted, reseted and reborn as new beings, just to suffer again :D
Actually, the should have killed them option, would perhaps have turned all of teyvat opposition to the gods... Leaving the Khaenriahns alive but forever cursed would serve as a warning threat to anybody else who would step out of line. With such a punishment, I have to admit Tsaritsa and the Harbingers have got grit to defy the heavenly principles.
But you know what? I think you might be onto something when you suggested that maybe the gods granted eternal life to Khaenriahns. The gods have shown over and over to not completely understand humans. Venti is so far the one most familiar with the humans because he lived with them, through all the bad and good. Meanwhile the rest of the gods, even when very understanding of humans still lacked some understanding due to living as gods and elevated above the humans... Like kings who never seen the slum.
I do not think this was the curse of the archons but that of the heavenly principles... and if it is so above everyone else...he probably wouldnt understand his own creations, so in his eyes, a curse like that is a gift... We have seen a few people been given gifts by divine entities and it turned into more of a curse for them, like Diona.
But if Phanes created everything like time... then did he create the corrosion too? If not...how is he withstanding the erosion? And Apep? how is she handeling it? Her memory seemed more stable than Azdhahas...
@ChillwithAster , remember in the genshin trailer Dainsleif narrated "Yet buried in this world lies smouldering remains, a warning to those who dare trespass." this could be they get the Khaenrians alive."
the new update talks about seal and purification of corruption, maybe the abyss (I have not finished it yet). The power is called Khvarena, similar to Aranara cleansing Marana. But some notes say Khvarena and the Corruption cancels eachother out which is interesting..
I have this whole theory that the curse of immortality and the curse of wilderness is tied to their ambitions, or lack thereof for the Wilderness, and the stillness of ambition for Immortality. Loooong theory short, Rukkhadaveta in her Farewell says that only dreams can awaken the consciousness, and we can see this take effect in Caribert. Dreams are a very important thing in Teyvat, especially since even Makoto thinks that Dreams are important to the ideal of Eternity as well. And another word for Dreams is Ambition.
Ok, so that’s the long theory short, for some miscellaneous explanation, please read on through :3
Ei shows us that she is capable of taking away ambition (well … hope you get what I’m saying.) So Gods being able to take away ALL of a persons ambition is also possible. And if being stripped of ONE ambition does that much damage, then being stripped of ALL ambition must be a much worse thing to go through, this would be the Curse of Wilderness. As for an ambition being stagnant, well a we are often found associating ambition with flames, a flame can get bigger or smaller throughout its life, and if that flame stays constant, it … well, it stays. Using this analogy, the Curse of Wilderness and the Curse of Immortality, have nothing to do with making one Wild or Immortal, they aren’t really even Curses to begin with … it’s quite literally manipulation of their ambition. The intent behind this manipulation judges if it can be called a Blessing (positive intent) or a Curse (negative intent). And we aren’t really told who did this Manipulation to begin with, and despite whatever the intent would of been, this manipulation still brought a lot of pain with it, so even if it was for the “greater good for (insert whoever here)” it will still be seen in a negative light, especially by those who are experiencing it. Ok, enough about the technicalities of what’s able to be called a Curse or Blessing. Someone out there, messed with Khaenri’ahn’s ambition on a National Level for currently unknown reason. This … is the fact. … I think that’s all I wanted to say? Well then, have a good day!
I saw a theroy that the Khernian nobililty dont have a different curse but that they are the theoretical "human like vishaps" we learn about in Enkanomiya and that Apep was talking trash about. Would explain the whole pupil thing and they would be resistant to Celestias powers because they arent descended from the Primordial One like Calibert would be.
Maybe it wasn't choice.
The goal was to transform them into monsters but Kahenrians could be immune to this, and ended up only being immortal.
I find it weird that they have a specific type of eyes and the game like to remind us that a lot of Kahenrians have "pure blood", so maybe like Klee they aren't human but... Something else ?
The last artifact set from Fontaine we got mentions a hero who wanted to build a realm that doesn't depend on elements, but it also said that the dragon didn't kill the hero but disappeared with him.
What if Kahenrians were the descendants of dragons ? Or maybe they could be a species artificially created like Albedo was, but with an energy that doesn't mix well with the power of Celestia.
After all the dragons are against Celestia and Gold used to live in Kahenriah.
THE KHAENRI’AHNS WERE CHOSEN TO SAVE THIS WORLD!
And to do this they need to be immortal! An army of immortal heroes!
I also feel like that Khaenri'ahnians do not have a place in the world now. Every nation serves an Archon, and they probably would never live in a nation ruled by an Archon. In addition, remaining unchanging in a city for centuries isn't feasible. Someone is gonna know that something is up. Celestia ultimately took away their place in Teyvat. They are trapped not only in their bodies and minds, but they are also trapped in a world in which they have no place in. Their punishment continues for eternity or until their souls are eroded away. Truly horrific imo.
Dying you get relieved quite quickly cursed to suffer is a whole other form of punishment.
Spoilers for Nahida story quest 2:
What I found fascinating was that the forbidden knowledge that's entangled with Khaenriah existed back during the primordial one's takeover of teyvat. Apep was heavily implied if not outright stated to be one of the original dragon lords. And it admitted to trying to use forbidden knowledge to combat against the primordial one and it's shades. So is it something that existed during the reign of the dragon lords or something the primordial one brought with them?
No Apep wanted to use it after King Deshret fell. Not during the war against the Primordial One
@@Jack_Ss the dragons wanted to use it against the primordial one. The one apep got infected by from king deshret was another thing
@@Jack_Ss I understood it as something along the lines of the dragon lords and king attempted to weaponize Forbidden knowledge against the primordial one but the king died and the dragons lost. And as Apep was trying to gather more the celestial nail fell from the sky and we got the desert portion of Sumeru. Later Deshret obtained Forbidden knowledge that Apep failed to properly gather with the help of the goddess of flowers and infected Apep with his death.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
@@Nightshade860 that could be it. Maybe that's the origin of Forbidden Knowledge in Teyvat in the first place is the Dragon King bringing it into Teyvat for power
I wont go too much into detail, but can the presence of forbidden knoowledge imply that there are eldritch gods in hoyoverse?
I believe Irminsul have it's own sense of time, there is a god of time. If the Khaenrians are rejected from Irminsul they stop aging (if that is controlled by irminsul) but they still experenses corrosion and follow the time around them. Teyvat time might move at a much faster rate than everything around it so when the traveler was gone for 500 years he might been outside the time barrier for 5 minutes.
What if Teyvat and everything around it is extremly poluted and that cause corrosion. Then a faster sense of time would make the average human to die of old age before they experiense corrosion while everything older experience it (for example aranara and archons).
The quest in the Chasm where they get trapped might be outside (or in the center) of Irminsul where time seemed to stand still but everyone there got affected by corrosion.
So faster time means less corrosion and slower time a lot of corrosion.
They should have killed them all...unless it was a side-effect.
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In the new story quest related to pari we learn, that dainsleif teamed up with Nagarjuna(the one handed sage) and the Pari to fight the corruption.
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Maybe Khaenriah was the last line of defense, against corruption. Corruption taints living beings, but what if the enemies weren't living? Hence come the field tiller and ruin machines. When the heavenly principles saw that even the last line, Khaenriah is crumbling, they couldn't wait any longer and sent all archons to aid the khaenrians, but during this expedition, hydro and electro archon met their end(these are the only two confirmed to have died during cataclysm) and the heavenly principles lost their patience and decided to seal the entirety of the place, along with the khaenriahns trying to protect teyvat. Natural born khaenriahns probably had some sort of resistance to the abyssal power, but others didn't, and hence hilichurls were born from those who couldn't resist the abyssal power. Others were tainted with a state of stasis. This betrayal by the heavenly principles broke off whatever trust khaenriahns had on celestia. It even disillusioned the archons who were fighting against corruption along side khaenriah. Thus the archons allowed dain and other sibling to freely go around teyvat on a pilgrimage(I mean why would you let the two of the most important figures of khaenriahn history roam around freely if they were your enemies?). Thats why the archons haven't banded together to destroy abyss already(I mean at least zhongli, tsaritsa and shogun were more than powerful enough to launch an expedition) and why they are breaking off their connection with celestia, by giving away their gnosis.
If that's true then the archons are stupid and petty, what else could Celestia do? They where losing and the nails were the only choice while they were in one place, instead of letting them spread all over and because harder to deal with, if that reasonable action in a desperate Situation, was enough for the archons to go against Celestia then they didn't deserve to have seats there to begin with,
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This is just prove that the cosmology of teyvat is a faulty construct
“Both good things and bad things can be called gifts. After all. Gods have never needed to be reasonable.” I wander wether that is supposed to be a hint. The other cryptic things that Scara says are meant to be believed and with Apap stating clearly that the heavenly principles care about humanity, as well as other evidence coming from the fact that they assisted humanity for a very long time makes me wonder whether in their eyes, it was ‘ maintenance compensation’.
For those who finished the 3.6 Pari's quests: we know now that Dainsleaf was already cursed and fighting monsters of the abyss during/before that Cataclysm ended. So the strongest theory for me is: Khaerian'ahs cursed top agents in order for them to find a way and prevent the Cataclysm from ever happening. It is even possible that Dainsleaf even managed to manipulate the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles into binding the twins to Teyvat. As for the monster, it is definetly Celestia's curse as a way to cleanse forbidden knowledge and reabsorbing all corrupted humans into the Irminsul.
Khanri'ahns treat immortality as a form of torture. Death is actually a kindness for them. Otherwise, they wouldn't be yearning to die. If you want a special punishment for someone, denying them death while living a life of torment would be the worst sentence to pass.
Glad to see you making more videos ❤️
The curse was chosen so that heretics would live an existence similar, but twisted, to that of archons. That's why some hilichurls have elemental powers and a primitive lifestyle, having a compulsion to worship practically anything, totally different from humans who sought science and perfection and were not subject to worshiping the archons and their elemental blessings.
Is there worse torture than living eternally attached to everything you've repudiated the most?
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I am pro immortality and would like to be immortal myself, there are many things I'd personally like to be able to witness one day out of sheer curiosity, and more things I want to do than what can fit in a single lifetime, and my most purest ambition is not possible with our current technology. But in regards to ideas surrounding immortality, think about this;
Our concepts, philosophies, and general consensus on life and death is based on our already existing knowledge that our lives are finite to begin with. We can only assume how immortality would be based on these preconceived biases, but we'd never know unless it happened.
Sure its possible that the initial immortal generation has some issues dealing with it, but as the generations go on we'd adapt. Furthermore people always paint immortality as if you'd be a single person immortal by yourself when in reality you would not be the sole immortal person meaning you'd always have people to talk to. Chances are at least for a long time the type of immortality it would be would simply be an infinite natural lifespan, but you could be killed, which means people wouldn't be forced to stay forever if they truly didn't want to, though that is a separate can of worms venturing into assisted suicide.
Now its true that the infinite amount of time immortality would bring is impossible to grasp as a concept, but that applies both whether you are for or against it. Some people may say you'd run our of things to do, but there is quite literally infinite things out there, the idea that you'd be able to see and do everything is literally impossible, but with infinite time it being impossible wouldn't matter. You only run out of things to do if you limit yourself.
LET'S just take roosvelt's theory as facts about the vishap people... what if inmortality//becomming monsters it's just a consecuence of clensing forbidden knowledge with the nail? Celestia counted on the abyss monsters part, paying no mind about it, but didn't count with Khaenriah'ns being some sort of past legacy of dragons/seelies/whatever they might come from (since the primogem is very moon connected to belong to humans) that was actually clensed with the nail and became inmortals as their ancestors.
Glad to see you make genshin videos after you said you might quit😢
It seems to me that the reason Celestia cursed them with immortality is the same reason why Greater Lord Rukka needed to be erased: If they die with corruption from forbidden knowledge, that gets written into the Irminsul tree too. We had to literally erase Rukka from the tree to help protect it from the corruption.
I think that those who were cursed with immortality were done to prevent them from dying and therefore embedding the corruption into the tree. At least until the next samsara reset.
Just shows how shitty the cosmology of teyvat it
What an imperfect world, gnostic like
If to believe the theory of samsara (that this world lives in endless repeating cycle) dying means release and starting everything anew. So killing them all means letting them freely start everything all over. So they were ripped of the cycle and were cursed to suffer without relief. And the pure citizens were left with their appearance to make them suffer from guilt and despair as more cruel punishment. Regular hilichurls are like stupid and don’t feel deep pain or regret.
(Sorry fr my eng)
After the sumeru chapter, if nothing changes too much (like, that khaenriah actually returns in the present) what we are gonna do in the khaenriah chapter is entirely see the abyss sibling's journey in this nation, and from it the title of "the dream yet to be dreamed"
Celestia making enemies out of everyone: Is it me? Am I the drama?
Hello
i come here with a probably dumb question but to anyone who played the Pari quest, there are notes mentioning one armed priest (not sure if that is correct), could that maybe be Pierro ?
No the one armed sage and his fallowers where from the academia, not khaenri'ah, and they formed the order of sceptics
Oh I get it now, thank youuu
If pure blooded khaenriah such as dain were cursed with immortality like clothar why does in pari quest mention that dain literally already half monster when he was found?
Plot twist: 10:00
No aster that was their plan all along. "The slow knife". Muhaahahahha
Also so are the archons lesser gods? Cause the heavenly principles sounds like the real "gods" or something. At least with how genshin characters talk about her/him
@Harry Shade are they demon gods in the actual lore? Cause if your referring to the arts goes goestia (spelled it wrong you know what I mean) then I don't understand why we use a completely different book from something completely different as a reference for power
honestly, i always thought as it the gods saw death being too easy of a punishment for the sinners and needed a much heavier one like immortality. maybe they were aware that this could backfire on them. we just maybe havent seen any action taken from them yet
Nice lore theories, Take it slow and don't be pressured by time limits. Because as what I understand about lore content theories, its the quality of the presentation and not how fast a content creator upload a content 😅. Your at your best when your not being pressured by due dates ❤❤❤
When i reached Sumeru and i learned of the word Samsara, we obtained a new possibility. The cycle of life, death and rebirth. Samsara is a cycle, a loop. And so, what if each person that dies gets reincarnated? Then this curse of immortality would prevent said characters from going through the cycle. For what reason? I don't know.
I do wonder if the curse was just immortality, or if immortality is a side effect of something else...
Possible, but what? Intended or unintended.. and from who? Until we know that we can only theorise so far. As it involves Kheanriah it is central to the story.
hehe could have thought so thanks for the video after telling us u quit i was already scared =)
Immortality, is it a curse or blessing? depends on the person. I will try different things if i ever become one. Like jumping off the highest building just to test it then i will use this ability to protect people.
Aster, thank you for staying with us. We're thankful for every video.
Sometimes death is not a punishment but a gift. "Death is too good for what has he done". Maybe there is more than we think?
THank you for the vid Aster!
Could a perpetual energy machine be the "forbidden knowledge"?
someday, the monster curse will shed its curse to become free of the curse and return the people to its original form or ascended to afterlife. an mercy best ending i would hope for
I am leaning towards keeping them out of Irminsul myself. Great video as always!
Hey Aster, have you seen the theory that zhongli is a dragon sovereign that was defeated by phanes and made to sign a contract, which is why he can't speak of anything to the traveller? Its rlly interesting. There is also the theory by wei that he is a descender
Interesting theory, I wonder if it holds any water later..
Because cursing someone with immortality is just parts and parcel for spiteful/self-righteous deities
I gotta say, that thumbnail with the phrase "Why not kill them all?" and Dainsleif's poker face is a special kind of unhinged.
Please don't stop making these amazing Genshin videos
is khaeinra the belka (from ace combat) of the hoyoverse?
you know the video is gonna be fire when aster suggests genocide
My assumption has always been that the Khaenr'ians weren't killed because of forbidden knowledge. If they had forbidden knowledge, then if they died normally it could get into Irminsul when it absorbed their memories. But by cursing people to become hilichurls and lose their minds before dissolving, any forbidden knowledge they had wouldn't enter Irminsul. I'm not sure why the full Khaenr'ians weren't cursed to become monsters, but they still seem to lose their minds eventually. Maybe Celestia inflicted it as a harsher punishment since they would have more of their faculties, meaning that the slow descent into erosion would be more horrifying to them.
Perhaps they wanted to preserve the Khaenri’ahns for some future purpose? It’s been hinted that Teyvat has a cyclical history, perhaps the gods keeping around a group of vengeful people is their way of fueling this. What’s their endgame though?
Hey Aster, with Honkai Star Rail coming out next week, which character are you most excited for?
i know you said you havent done some of the newer quests do to the slight burn out of genshin. So is it ok to use later knowledge you dont know to discuss in comments or is it not a problem??? Cause i feel like the part where you said celestia 'cursed' khaenriah to help them actually has validity because of one of the newer quests talking about evolution and the cost of it when forced which could be the side effect of the 'curse'. As to why it affects everyone differently honestly no clue it could be the abyssal energy was too strong and warped the 'curse'.
immortality is genuinely terrifying 😭
glad I subbed
It has been a long time since fans have discussed the Elements of Light and Darkness. I don't know if they'd ever be added (I think Hoyoverse stated that Dendro would be the last). But, it was fun seeing the discussion. If they were to add them; how would you explain new enemies having these Elements and new Visions? Both Light and Darkness are among my favorite Fantasy Elements (I'd love it if Avatar added them too).
No matter how often everyone says that "immortality is a curse", and "erosion will get you", immortality is the only thing I want, everything else can be achieved through work. You only "erode" if you stand still, you only forget things that are waaaaay back in the past. Just enjoy the day, dont think about yesterday or tomorrow and immortality is the best thing that could ever happen to you. What if your husband/wife died 300 years ago? Like every living being, immortal or not, you move on, you forget, and time will wash the past away. You can propably start a family every hundred years and everytime, you get to see the world in a new light.
Maybe its just the researcher inside me, but there are so many things to do, so many things to see, so many things that are still in the distant future. You can have em all if you are immortal. (also I think "immortal" is not "immortal". If you jump into a black hole, you propably wont come back, no matter what. You just need to wait until spaceships are good enough to reach one^^)
If you are immortal then time we'll fly by and before you know it you'd be floating in space becuse we experience time faster the longer we live, Sooner than later entire decades well flow by then hundreds of years well feel like months, you child is born and in a blink of an eye you're standing next to their death bed dying from old age, and you'll be there to watch the end of humanity,and then the end of earth and finally you'll find your self in a time where all the stars died out and a the black holes corroded from Hawkang radiation, you'll still be alive in a black void, until the heat death of the universe,
@@mitab1 Why would you be floating in space? By the time 'everything' dies, you will already have turned into a godly being through the power of technology. When you're in control, there is no emptiness unless you decide you want the emptiness to be there.
@@fantalone666 what makes you sure that you'll have, "the power of technology" by then?
@@mitab1 Time does not move faster if you are older, you just precieve it to be moving faster. And even that does not accelerate into infinity. If you (age 10.000) have a child, and you wake up next to it every day, and do stuff with it every day, your "time" wont accelerate because "stuff is happening". Time only moves fast if you have a full time job, or nothing to do at all, because in both cases your entire reason for existing is to wait until it is over and something new/interesting hopefully appears.
@@mitab1 It's 2023 and we are already a few steps away from becoming living gods. Unless the world ends this century, I'm 100% positive there'd be nothing to stop humanity from progressing even further.
Just watched the D&D video then this. The change of tone is like hitting a wall at 60 mph.
I don't think it's a punishment, neither is it a psychological one, and I think the last one is different.
The abyss, because I think it was the abyss that "cursed" him, he was looking for servers, his own army or minions, so he used the same humans and turned them into hilichurs, these against their will, their memories were corrupted, now they serve and adore the one who is called a sinner, and this began during the first cataclysm.
Now the question is why were the purebloods only immortal? I would say that it is because they possibly have a connection with the original humans who obtained resistance to the abyss or have a connection with humans who already had a natural resistance and that was not equal to the humans.
It is where 2 points come in, first the twins that they show to have an abnormal resistance to the abyssal energies in an ignata way. What was their world like for them to have these resistance?-
and the second is that in honkai impact 3 he tells you that after losing the war against the honkai, a project was made for humans to gain a resistance against the honkai and they would fight against him when he returned and that's how the valkyries were born, it would be those of Khaenria its equivalent only that they ended up joining the abyss, believing that they must fight against the gods that coincidentally look like the hersschers in honkai.
I get it, spiral energy transforms into primogems when you slaughter the hilichurls
This is the Dark Souls of Genshin Impact theory videos.
But seriously, the ideo of taking death away from people to stop them from challanging the rule of the Divine and/or from spreading their "darkness" is similar to the curse of the undead from Dark Souls, even the whole mental and physical deteorioration that monsters like hilichurls suffer after they die and respawn is similar to going Hollow.
I do think that the idea of preventing the Ley lines from getting contaminated with the "wrong thinking" from Khaenri'ah was one of the reasons for cursing them with immortality, letting time destroy them slowly instead.
Great video as always. Im interested in hearing you talk about other games or whatever with your analysis. I came for genshin but I'm staying for your outlook on the world.
Glad to see a video after your last one
what if the idea to curse Khaenri'ahns was taken from Lumine and Aether? Their world was destroyed, but they still are alive somehow. And they do not die after being (repeatedly) smashed and slapped against walls. And the fact that they can never find a home yet are still alive after leaving so many worlds (maybe the worlds were even destroyed so they couldn't stay there even if they wanted to). It's just weird how LONG they have survived and how unscared they are of death, even if they're in a whole different world with a whole different afterlife in which they shouldn't be included. Maybe, when they find their home, they will die instantly (like the inteyvat, yk?). + clothar could've meant the curse of immortality as the thing our sibbling brought to khaenriah in "but what did you bring us instead, oh prince/ss of khaenriah"
The Hilichurls most definitely got the short end of the stick compared to the pure Khaenri’ahns. Both still suffer from Erosion, the gradual degradation of their minds and bodies over the course of centuries. But unlike pure Khaenri’ahns such as Dainsleif, Hilichurls lack the intelligence to find ways to stave off its progression, or even to truly understand what’s happening to them. They’re left with no option but to helplessly wither away for eternity. They’re not mindless or insensate, we know they're smart enough to have their own language and sentient enough to feel the pain and suffering that Erosion inflicts, they’re just powerless to do anything about it, other than simply curling up and waiting until they fade away into the darkness.
Furthermore, in concert with the fact that Celestia (or whoever it was who cursed Khaenri’ah) not only created two different curses, but also singled out one subset of the Khaenri’ahn population for the crueler variant based purely on their ancestry, I strongly suspect that whoever was responsible was motivated by spite and sadism, not necessity (e.g. quarantining Forbidden Knowledge from the Irminsul) or justice (e.g. punishing those personally responsible for unleashing Forbidden Knowledge and/or causing the Cataclysm). Why else would Chlothar, a grown man, only be burdened with immortality, when Caribert, a young child, was stricken with transformation into a Hilichurl? What could Caribert possibly have done to merit a more extreme punishment than his father?
time may be a filter
Please elaborate
In regards to long life spans... I mean, there are some elderly who can't wait to die and some still want to live forever. So it kind if depends on what kind of life you have...😂
I CHOKED FROM THAT TITLE BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
just the brutal out of nowhere "why not just kill them all"
With every new quest with Dain I'm more and more convinced that Celestia and the gods are a bunch of assholes
For me, they were spared to make them suffer forever, in a quest it says that they aren't immune to erosion.
They have to live knowing ''their sins'', they are the living to not try to rebel against gods
I’m really confused about kaeya
Like when was he born and how does he age with diluc if he is cursed
Why does he not talk about the curse like Dani
man how i luv this chnnel
Tsk i wanna be cursed with immortality bro I don't want to die
"Chalk mother"
yo what if the immortality thing is just a mental thing, theyre like ah im cursed i cannot die no matter what, but if they truly want to die they will, like maybe clothar?
With the title, the blue theme, and a guy with an eye patch as the title card, I thought for a second this was a Fire Emblem 3 Houses video.
The eternal question we have been asking ever since we learnt about curse ngl
I would add my five cents, just like immune system swallow virus.
And people still think Khaenri'ah would ever stand against celestia,making unrealistic theory about them using robot to beat celestia. Even with abyss power,ppl need to remember if they can purified it,they is unstoppable
Now that you mention the twins ability of purifying, what if they were originally summoned by khaenri'ah because they were supposed to use that ability in order to get rid of the pollution that affected the nation? That would explain why the Sibling lived with Pierro at the time (I think), as they would work on doing a massive purification thing that may or not triggered Celestia.
Life is defined by its limits or so do I think if you don’t have them are you reallly living?
Or may be if the second one who came won the first war phases and his shades curse them and pretending to be them self and they pretending to be the second one But. If first one who came won the war second one may curse them and pretending they don’t do it😂
I think immortality is the lesser of the punishment just like how not all criminals are not given the death sentence but imprisonment, it could be that Celestia is taking the moral ground by saying "reflect in your actions"
As for the curse of wilderness is quite worse because it's the punishment humans received after betraying their Gods, being turned into a monster left to be killed by humans or the Gods they betrayed
As for why Celestia decided to make such an odd choice instead of going for the Extermination i can think of two reasons
1. Either they're confident that no matter who comes for revenge there's nothing they can do to harm Celestia's rule
2. It was a rushed decision by whoever came down from Celestia to dish out the punishments because there's no one incharge up there ☝️