Sam Shamoun Accuses Shabbir Ally of No Longer Being Muslim?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Shabir Ally in a debate with Anthony Rogers spoke in a way that really made my mouth drop. Take a look at what he said
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Shabir Ally became an ally. Jokes aside he is a much more reasonable muslim than Im familiar with (at least considering those particular arguments). Lets hope his life isnt in danger now, that would simply suck.
Don't think so, but he can be "cancelled". But maybe he already is
Shabir is just a sneaky liar. It takes careful attention to catch him
@@worshippers3590 how do you know?
@@schorpioen7466 for example, in the debate, Shabir quotes a quran verse suggesting that Adam was taken out of a community of people to make islam consistent with evolutionary view. He deliberately did not reference the verse. Why? As others have exposed, the verse was about Noah (surah 68:50). So he quotes a verse about Noah to explain Adam. It takes careful attention to catch him
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Shabir is trying to make sense of his traditions in the light of newly available knowledge. It's a step in the right direction. As always, Abdullah treats the discussion with kindness and respect. Good work Abdullah. Thank you for your contribution to helping the world be a better place for us all.
Thank you
I used to think Shabir had extreme views about 10 years ago, he really is changing in recent years..
Keep up the good work Abdullah
He gets a lot of pushback from conservative Muslims nowadays. I've seen some pretty damning criticisms of him on Muslim forums.
He gets a lot of pushback from conservative Muslims for it though. I've seen damning criticisms of Ally on some Muslim forums.
His views had always been like this. I have been listening to him for last 15 years. And he is not the only muslim who has this view. In fact, Jamal ud Din Afghani from Afghanistan accepted possibility of Evolution as cause of life on this planet some 150 years back. The opinion that there is a link between Apes and Human was presented by muslim scientist some 800 years back.
@@laurameszaros9547 well, as a non muslim that's what would i expect. U can't just hide the fact that it's clear in Quran adam was made out of clay, and started to make it fit into evolution theory. He knew he contradicting himself and he ignores it 🤦
@@omerali2690 and yet they keep believing adam and eve story. Or maybe just like some of us, they knew the religion is false but keep being muslim just for identity
Never heard a Religious Muslim speak like that before.
I was shocked too
@@FriendlyExmuslim
I am too shocked, shocked whether there is future for Shabir Ally in the Muslim world.
Actually I know a lot of Muslims who accept human evolution. Most mainstream scholars still reject it, but there are a growing number of ordinary Muslims who accept it. Shabir Ally may well be moving further away from orthodox Islam but I think he realises many ordinary Muslims are moving away from classical views. He also made a video recently where he rejected the notion of eternal Hell. Again this puts him at odds with mainstream scholars but is probably closer to where many ordinary Muslims are moving towards.
The Bible has already answered Shabir Ali's question before he asked it. It's unfortunate that people who don't know the Bible think that they are smart when they ask such questions but they are not unfortunately. We have got your questions answered even before you ask them. Jesus Christ died for everyone assuming that there are creatures elsewhere. This is what the Bible says below:
Colossians 1:19, 20:
19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Also, it's repeated in Revelation 5:13:
13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
So, whether things on earth or above the earth ( heaven), everything and everyone is covered. To all ex-muslim atheists,Abdulla Sameer, Apostate Prophet, Abdulla Gonda, Apostate Aladin, Harry Sultan,etc please don't miss it twice. You were born into Islam and you later grew up and discovered that it's a scam and left it but don't miss it a second time by becoming an atheist. THIS IS BECAUSE THE HISTORICITY OF JESUS CHRIST DESTROYS ATHEISM AND EVOLUTION. So, Atheism is equally false like Islam and you are missing it the second time which is not good. If Jesus Christ were not historical, Atheism would still not be right. So, come to Jesus Christ, the saviour of the world.
@Art Becher that is a lie. You muslims like to reinterpret the quran everytime it contradicts reality. The quran speaks of 7 literal days. Sahih Muslim 2789 confirms this.
When Shabir claimed that Adam was selected and not created, it caused my jaw to drop.
He quoted from a verse that referred to Jonah, not Adam. What does that say about his honesty?
@Chris Azure *LOL* I literally yelled at the screen, when he came with this nonsense about galaxies, and other intelligent beings in the universe. "Hey, Slave of Allah, who says if they are out there, that that did the very same thing Adam did, eating of the forbidden fruit, whatever that was? That they did not take it, and adhered to the commands of God, if God had given them the same commandment. What the earthly Adam did, must not have been repeated by other Adams, if they even exists.
@fafaf afaf Please put your reply in the form of an English sentence.
Dr . Zakir naik
"Brother believe me i am medical doctor"
Your videos are honestly amazing. Thanks to you, I’m an atheists at 18. I’m so glad the truth reached me early on in my life so that I don’t have to waste my entire youth being shackled by Islamic rulings.
Atheism is a step towards the truth.
@Jamal Ramadan time will tell you how. Each ones journey is different. You will not end as an atheist.
@Jamal Ramadan just mark my words. When you leave atheism at the end of your life, remember. Along lifes journey, you are bound to discover the truth.
Well, im atheist at 15 tbh but keep it secret to my hear. Bc i knew my parents would hate me for it
Same here man. Live free and prosper.
You cannot put creationism and science on the same speech without ending up in a train wreck.
Not true.
You can put creationism and science (evolution) in the same speech if you're a deist.
@@Mannequeer im a creationist and i have no problem with evolution if is apply the right way .
@@kronos01ful a deist is also a creationist. The question is are you a deist or theist?
That's generelizing theism, to begin with 57-60% of christians are evolutionists theists or theists that accept evolution, yes just because the majority accept it doesn't entail it's true with their world view, but with Christianity theirs no violation with it and big bang+evolution, people bring up the English version of genesis but I think John Walton has amazing material on this and why you shouldn't read genesis English in a literal sense the Hebrew is vastly different, on top of the near eastern context, I'm happy to have this discussion in a friendly manner if you want
Shabir Ally seems like a nice person and a decent human being. That is what is important to me.
I think he blatantly lies and he knows it.
He is nice lier
@@goddessr3065 Do you have any evidence of that?
@@MrLosches Evidence please
Thanks, Northern Light! You seem like a decent and nice person, also!
you can not be totally honest with yourelf and be a muslim at the same time … you just cant
I disagree
WOW I hope you do not expect to be quoted in the future with "powerful" statements like that!!!!!! I mean Socrates look out.
I love Shabir Ally.
And Shabir Ally loves you . 🤣
@@hearthat1334 🤣
Hassan, will you be posting any new content soon? For some strange reason, YT had unsubbed me from your channel!
@@jblasutavario9549 I'm not planning to make any more videos - but Allah knows best 😉
@@HassanRadwan133 lol Understood. Have an awesome weekend.
Being a Sikh (a panenthiestic religion), I personally feel that he isn't going towards the atheist/agnostic side, but is just someone who thinks deeper into thinks and expands his mind beyond the Islamic belief, yet seems like a fearful Muslim as he continuously rationalises with the limited teaches that Islam can provide.
I think you're right. I've seen similar struggle with Christian Academics.
I need to read more about sikh. I am more familiar with the parts they have played in history than the filosophy. Any good startingpoints for in english?
@@northernlight8857
Guru Granth Sahib
How is that different from any other religion? Humans are fearful of death and the uncertainty of heaven very day life .. we can’t deal with sufferings and loss of loved ones, despite having spiritual books…
@@northernlight8857 well here on UA-cam theres channels such as Basics of Sikhi, Nanak Naam, Sikh2inspire, Sikhnet, Sharechairty. Just a few that I know of.
Omg his beard literally looks like get got it at a halloween dollar store
You guys should watch the video on Hadith by Dr. Shabir Ally. It was eye opening for me when I was still a Muslim.
Link?
If you are looking for ancient texts that clearly describe existence of other multiple universes, trillions of eons of time, infinite planets, multiple bodies, and universal consciousness, seriously, go read the Mahayana Buddhist Sutras, like Lotus Sutra, Flower Ornament Sutra, Brahmajala Sutra, Amitabha Sutra, Avalokitesvara Sutra, etc... No joke. They really make that Bible and Quran look like simple Harry Potter kids books. And all with NO god in the sky.
@Hosanna Exactly. Dumb simpleton kids fairy tales like that. Go read Buddhist Sutras like the Lotus Sutra and Flower Ornament Sutra. They totally blow that childish simpleton bible out of the galaxy.
@@gula_rata Could you give a passage from these sutras? And thanks for barking.
Muslims scholars especially those those from academia's knew the problems of the Qur'an, they knew there is hole, but they can't come out because of the respect, money, and honor they enjoying from the Muslims community.
Also because if they openly left islam they would receive an insane amount of death threats
Great video brother!!! Great points… Religion just Don’t known!!! The same we ALL DON’T Know…
First serious comment thus far. WE JUST DO NOT KNOW! We are all equally ignorant.
The most consequent way is to be fundamentalist, but it keeps you stuck in time. So i prefer this
Is that Shabbir's real beard or is it a false one on his clean shaven face....anyways it sure looks soooooo funny😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shabir has publicly stated that using your captive females for lust is OK. That was with an interview with his daughter. He has no morals. This recent debate was just more of his deceit; he is supposed to be defending islam but instead denies everything about it. At the 1min 20 sec mark he makes a quote from the quran to evidence that allah chose Adam - but if you look up the quote it refers to Jonah, not Adam. So he is dishonest all the way through. He follows the principle of taqiyya, that it is better to "win" an argument by lying than losing by truth.
Dr Ally also loves to talk about Christianity- and the way he talks about Islam - always changing and adjusting as to have it sound better … more rational ….. if anyone has stretched the boundaries of apostasy- that would be dr. Shabir Ally
by your definition of apostasy
“The closer that man looks at the stars, the farther away they appear.” It is only determination and with a strong view of faith can one exit the atmosphere and begin one’s journey in the Heavens. Religion was only the beginning and Science is the middle and the spiritual understanding of one self is the end of the final journey or path.
We are all here to learn. Christianity has two major faults... Thinking Jesus is Allāh and that you works are not necessary for salvation.
Shabir was merely trying to show that Christians are on the verge of arrogance in thinking we are the only loved by Allāh and besides Christians no one else is worthy of Allāh's love when it is clear that Allāh loves all who seek Him and strive hard in submission to His will.
And the argument Shabir brought up (although not the best argument) is to get Christians to realize there is a bigger plan for humanity and if Allāh willed He would have destroyed every single one of us and made a new creation submitting to His will. We are not that specail and we need to learn our place.
Christians seek to extinguish the Light of Allāh with their tongues...
And Shabir and many others like him are sons of God... We represent our Lord and we won't allow His name to be tarnished and His Glory to be shared by anyone.
Praise be to Allāh forever and ever for He alone is worthy of all worship.
Isn't Shabbir Ally a Quran only Muslim these days?
Or he is at least an Inconsistent Sunni.
Yes,and he's the one who admitted there's different qurans.
May allah guide shabir to other galaxies. Lalalala ha ilallah.. Xenu rasul allah.
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I think you nailed brother , he should apply the question to Islam,
Drawing figures of people is prohibited in Islam. Even 20-25 years ago, muslim schoolers were very enthusistics about this doctrine. They used to apply and preach about not taking photos of people,specially of women. Now the scenario has entirely changed and you would find mulla's of all sorts are uploading their photos on facebook and other social platforms. It is essential to update outdated beliefs so that the system can thrive. Like drawing photos, there are many such examples where muslims abandoned their old belief. Even the Talibans are claiming they will ensure women rights in islamic limit and Won't prohibit them to work outside of their home. Usually, muslims accepts these unrelegious things for two reasons,fisrt,they want to keep themselves updated with the changed time and to keep followers. In the case of this imam, he is trying the same, introducing new ideas in islam. And after 20 to 30 years, you Won't be able to say this relegion is outdated 😁,Let's abandone it. You will find yourself in difficult situation to criticise islam then 😀😀😀
Yep 10-15 years ago, poor abdools could drink liquor publicly in many regions.
But they can't do publicly these days.
Izlam is changing a lot.
I was shocked when Shabir said that.
I’m all for a modern, moderate Islam. Much better than those crazies who want to live in the 7th Century.
There is no way you can be modern and moderate muslims everything Quran says and Mohammed says you have to do it if you don't do it you are not muslim what is the point of pretending to be Muslim
Question : are you muslim
Answer. : Yes I am a modern and moderate muslim I do some of the things and I don't do many of the things well you see it's easier this way but I'm not giving up on my Islamic title just in case there is a heaven seriously I don't want to miss out on 72 virgin huries and little boy servents and most importantly I want to talk to Allah cc and want to see Allah cc 🤣😂🤣😂
Oh shabir I know now Adam is ahomosapien, finally we know why Adam was about 90 feet tall 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hmm, well now. First of all, in the Hebrew, the name Adam is not actually his name. He was called Adam because in our language we typically give proper names to certain individuals. Thus, Adam simply means man or mankind. That is all it means.
Secondly, biologist and geneticists do indeed say there was one man and one woman, that they call Genetic Adam and Eve. That does not, however, describe them as other than man and woman. We don't know what they looked like, but a lot of assumptions are made.
I believe those ancient writers were speaking about the whole of human history and not just one couple. For instance, the agrarian vs. domestication of animals did happen in that order. They went from hunter/gatherers to farmers and then to domestication of cattle, sheep and goats. As the agrarian culture became dominant, it did spread East, as the Bible says it did. "And Cain went eastward to the land of Nod" meaning wandering. So that actually did happen, farming culture went east from the Levant.
The stories the quran borrows from the Bible are not necessarily to be taken literally, it should be in the historical context. However, in the 7th century, people did believe in the literal interpretation and that is why nothing in the quran is revelation from allah nor given from allah because those were already written, studied and taught ideas long before mohammad. Islam cannot take credit for what was before mohammad, but in order to justify some false notion that mohammad must be a true prophet, then they make the claim that "how could mohammad know 1,400 years ago?" Which the answer to that is "How did the ancient Hebrews, Greeks, Indians, Romans, Persians, Egyptians and Chinese know thousands of years before that?"
See, when they reference the Bible in trying to interpret the quran, they are actually giving credence to the fact that the Bible came first, and the Bible taught these things. BUT, and here is a huge but, the Quran actually does not reference the Bible but very little, it references the Talmud. The Talmud is nothing more than legal rulings and opinions of rabbis. How do we know this?
Several hundred years before mohammad, the Talmud had written in the stories of Iblis (Satan) refusing to bow down to Adam, that Adam learned how to bury Cain from watching a raven, and the stories of Noah, Moses and the other prophets. All one has to do is look up the Talmud, Midrash and other rabbinical literature. It's there. So islam cannot be from allah nor from mohammad if the rabbis were already telling these things hundreds of years before.
Does that mean God does not exist? No. It means the progress of humanity went forward. And it is very logical that it would happen the way it did. The Bible is indeed correct in those things, but the Hebrews then were not focused on merely the religion of the ancients, only the history and how history led to the patriarchs to the modern Jews. And their own knowledge of the world and observations led them to that understanding.
Shabir Ally is indeed an atheist because he does not believe in allah, mohammad or the quran, otherwise he would not be desperately trying to find mohammad where mohammad is not at, he is trying to justify his culture and his culture's place in history.
Actually what he said isn't that nonsensical. In the Old Testament book of Genesis, it explains briefly that at some point God had made many other humans other than Adam & Eve. When Cain, a descendant of Adam, is heading into the world, he exclaims that he 'fears being killed by someone' meaning there would have been other humans already living even in a very primal state without much civilization. Christian and Muslim apologists really should lose this idea that God made only 2 humans and from them every single human on earth came from directly. Rather, from them, we can trace the Israelite lineage and many people are related to them, but not the entirety of the world. Which again is why the Genesis explains there were already other humans made across different regions by the time Adam's sons were adults.
His views had always been like this. I have been listening to him for last 15 years. And he is not the only muslim who has this view. In fact, Jamal ud Din Afghani from Afghanistan accepted possibility of Evolution as cause of life on this planet some 150 years back. The opinion that there is a link between Apes and Human was presented by muslim scientist some 800 years back.
even 1000 yrs back....
@Jamal Ramadan just google al jahiz kitab al hayawan or ibn khaldun evolution
I watched a video of shabir ally refer to the buddha as a “great man” which is surprising, most muslims have no respect for buddhism especially because of statues, id take him over mojab any day
I think he sees that islam needs to adapt to the modern world and not be so disrespectful of other beliefs, which is a hard thing to do considering what muhammad did to the kaaba
I used to listen to a Muslim apologist called Adnan Ibrahim, he was making almost the same points, trying to conciliate religion & science, religion & human rights. It is indeed nonsense, but it is better than fundamentalism. Hope Muslims can buy this smoothly
Maybe this is the part of the galaxy and location in the universe God wants it in. Just sayin...
shabir ally forgot allah go down to the lowest heaven on 1/3night...on which galaxy??? and how which direction qibla to mecca on the other planet/galaxy???
Some Muslims do believe in other living communities outside of this earth with their own prophets, and that is substantiated by a Hadith. Regarding what Ally said, I can’t judge someone from a 2-min excerpt of debate without any context.
Actually if we were in the center of the universe it would seem more evident or at least used that way, that the big bang with all its effects and laws brought about life in this one planet in the center of the universe. Now, knowing where we are (so to speak...), it seems more likely that we were chosen by a Creator that fine tuned everything that needed to have been fine tuned in order that we live, survive and prosper. Do think about it, before shooting yourself in the foot; it's a liitle deep, BUT IT'S A GREAT ANSWER.
I don't think we as Christians should believe that we're the center of the universe and that we're so special. I believe God created the universe for His glory. He created it for us to experience the awesomeness of who He is. I think when we look up at the night sky and think about the vastness of the universe (and the deadness of space) it should make us realize how much God loves us... It should remind us of the colorful life He created for us on this earth.
An average galaxy like ours has about 200-300 million stars. There are likely 100-200 billion galaxies in our universe. Most stars have planets (massive stars don't) and some of those planets are solid like the Earth, some have atmosphere and some will be able to have life. How many planets are there? Well, if you just give 1 planet per star (our Sun has four solid planets, the outer four are made of gas so you can't walk on them...) in a galaxy, that gives you about 10^20 planets, or ~100,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets. Most won't have life of course, or intelligent life, but still, this puts into perspective how "unspecial" the Earth is (and, how many "final" prophets Allah needs...).
I remember reading a science report a few years ago pointing out we have an extremely unusual star even unusual for a G2 star. It's extremely stable star with very weak and stable solar flares compared to other G2 stars. Other G2 stars solar flares are too strong and would strip away the planet atmosphere. Also unlike what you see in Star Trek over 80% of solar systems have more than one star.
Put both we have very unusual stable G2 star and single star solar system makes us very unique. Also the star need to be at the right place in the galaxy as too close to the center is not good. Put it all together Earth is extremely special.
@@smidlee7747 Hi there. You make important and correct points, I was just giving an idea to the rough number of planets. Ones that could host life would of course be much less, but still astronomically large!
About 80% of stars may be binary, so you can take 10% of the number I gave. Most stars are main sequence stars, but you can take another 10% for stars similar to ours, and then let's say 10% have low flare activity etc etc, you'll still end up with trillions or more of habitable planets.
Also, remember that our Earth would not be able to start life if it were to begin in ~4 billion years because it will be leaving the main sequence, but other stars like it will be born over that time. Also, if a civilization develops, in a few thousand years of being technologically advanced (we're only just over 100 years past that point!) it will likely live in space and colonize other planets in it's planetary systems. It's all very interesting and one can only guess how many other worlds are out there with life on them.
Either way, to think that some "god" made a silly revelation that talks about tribal issues of the 7th century Arabia and that's supposed to be some moral guidance for all mankind on a planet is simply ridiculous. The Quran says that the stars are missiles for the devils, that the Earth and heavens were separated (a well known Sumerian myth), it doesn't seem to understand that the Earth is round because in 2:187 it tells you when to fast but you can't use that verse everywhere on Earth and Muslims had to come up with man-made solutions to this problem, in a book from a god that is supposed to know everything! And, this god also allows Muslim soldiers to r a p e married women captured in battle (confirmed by sahih hadiths, tafsirs scholars and the Sharia manual). And so on. This ignorant god had very bad morality, allows slavery, and doesn't know basic science. Astronomy etc are MUCH more interesting to know and study than ancient religions. Cheers!
I hope he shaves off that beard 🤣
Where/When did Yasir Qadhi say that evolution is a silver bullet to islam?
I'll look for it
Shabir ally vs Zakir Naik debate on evolution 🧬🧬 🧬
Sharbir seems a nice fellow, but I wouldn't trust him not to cut my head off if Islam came to power, or to stand up for me when others tried. Not saying he definitely wouldn't... just that I wouldn't trust him to.
I see that the final Prophet Darwin has many followers even though he does not have a clue about genetics. People believe everything that popped into his head.
If one believes in evolution and simultaneously believes in the Koran,Bible or whatever...than I guess it's better than believing ones religious book is absolutely correct. How such holders of contradictory beliefs reconcile their beliefs is beyond me..😕
Inside his heart Dr. Shabbir Ally has rejected Islam. He is Ex Muslim.
Why would God choose Earth? More importantly, why would he demand you perform all the daily prayers (whether you like it or not) and fast for a month in Ramadan (whether you like it or not)? Doesn’t that ever occur to any of these mullahs? How ludicrous such demands are?
Because Muslims all should evolve and accept science. They are so afraid of scenice. There are some verses in the quron that can be "interpreted" to confirm that we're not alone
الشوری 29
"And one clear sign of the god is the existence of skies and earth, and the creatures that have" been scattered among them.
Key parts = "Skies" & "Them"
Or some hadith indicating such.
بحار الانوار 54/319
Immam Sadeqh: The god has created 7 more creature species that are not originating from Adam(humans). He has created them before men and has sent them to their unique words.
Also
بحارالانوار 27/45
Immam Sadegh: and there are creatures in there that do not anger god and are not aware of our existence at all
BTW I'll be glad if you MCJA+ (Muslim Christian Jew Atheist 😂) brothers have additional things to mention
I'm sorry to say it. But Sam Shamoun is a very disrespectful person by nature.
The video is not about Sam Shamoun. Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.
Shabir was using a verse that wasn't about adam and didn't justify it. So shamoun called out his lies. Sam can be very respectful if you are not lying or insulting christianity etc.
@@ramanavell988 Christianity is a pure pagan religion. Why should it be so respected?
Ty! I agree.
Muslims do leave Islam but few percentage of them do revert back why this happen? is that any addiction to Islam or something?? im an ex Muslim but i fear what if i reverted? any suggestions for me??
Good point, Shabbir Ally is no longer a Muslim indeed
Atleast shocking! Nice to hear....
Dr Shabir Ally is right. Adam wasn’t the first man. He was the first “leader” for humanity ; from a Quranic perspective. Infact , the meaning of Adam means someone who is made of mud / blood and water , depending on which translation you follow, thus implying evolution.
Come on man even as a Muslim I have to admit that this video as a point
@@theguyver4934 the Quran mentions all living things are made from water. Scientists have said we were sea like creatures before venturing on land to evolve.
Adam was made from “clay”, in a figurative language, as depicted in the Quran. To get clay , you generally mix mud and water. Thus implying evolution that we came from the sea and ventured onto land.
Hence his name , in Hebrew , means someone who was made from mud/dark red blood / or red skinned and water.
@@aleefmohammed244 - The holy Bible says that exact same thing about creation if not more so second if it makes you feel better there are many Christians who believe that Jesus pbuh was only a human and that God is not triune but one hence Christianity is completely rational
@@theguyver4934 yes , it does mentions something along the lines of Adam being created “from the dust of the ground”.
Just one thing wanna say 😂 abu-jahil was ,karun was ,paraun was all of them has gone but still truth Remain .
Obviously he is still Muslim.
However, I would say he is one of the first more "liberal" or "moderate" Muslims.
Since the rise of Islam, Muslims have taken the islamic version of Genesis too verbatim.
An error many fundamentalist Christians did in the last 300 years.
We Christians as a whole never took Genesis as 100% literal. This movement kind of started with i.e. the Young Earth Creationsist. Watch InspiringPhilosophy's latest video on the YECs.
That being said, many Muslims will fall away from their faith the more Islam opens up for science.
I personally think, the more we find out our Earth, Solar System, Galaxy and Universe, the more it showes how unique we actually are. 👌
Keep up the good work, Shabir….believing in a wider concept of the universe or in evolution would not make u an atheist..
I don't understand the significance of being in "the center of the galaxy" in the view of the religious. If you get a new house, and you love to watch TV more than anything, does that mean you're going to put your TV in the center of the house? If I have a milkshake, do I gain anything by putting my straw in the center of the milkshake? No, I don't, because it's all milkshake, so it doesn't matter at all where I put my straw.
Im muslim n i do accept darwin theory of evolutions...but it just applied to creatures on earth besides human n djinns...n i also believe human were non earth natives as were originated from heaven n banished to earth as we failed to obey god order..there also some theory like humans height decreasing since adam came to earth,our nonadaptibility to uv light,skin cancer,etc
your videos are very ineresting Sameer 😊
I am an agnostic. I am Irish and was brought up Catholic. I have not heard anything in Dr. Shabir Aly's statements that would make him an atheist.
I mean you build a platform to be negative toward people and religion and that's how you make your living. So sad
Are we the only one in the Universe ?
Probably not.
@@FriendlyExmuslim Hello Abdullah Sammer can you react to Farid Responds . He made videos debunking you and Apostate Prophet . Can you make a video about it
Shabir starts off sounding like an ahmadi and then uses an argument many atheists use....and it's a strong one. Shabir will do anything to undermine Christianity, even if he he undermines Islam as well.
John Waltons interpretation of Genesis shows that Adam and Eve is not necessarily 1st man and women.
Why can’t he pronounce the letter r properly?
Evolution is not a silver bullet for Christianity/Judaism as it falls within the realm of interpretation of the ancient text. Gerald R Schroeder makes such and argument in "The Science of God".
@Jamal Ramadan Some people are dogmatic and strongly opinionated on the matter. Often they lack knowledge or the ability to see beyond that. None of us were around back then to observe. We are only left with evidence we can collect and human interpretations of ancient text. Being dogmatic is a form of arrogance and is a sin.
It's a problem for fundamentalists, yes. Along with everything we know in astronomy, geology, parts of chemistry and so on. Fundamentalist Christianity is intellectually impocerished
Monotheism is defeated by other arguments. Feel free to Google them.
Deism is tricker to argue against. But it's been done.
It is so amazing how you're taking what Dr. Shabir said out of context! The main point is no matter where you go with science, Islam always makes sense! For example, if your "god" shose his son to be kild on earth this means "god" has other sons to sacrifice in other planets in this vast universe! See ! Use your brain and don't take what he said out of context!
Islam makes you stupid, I am now convinced. Thanks Shabir.
Ostensibly to eliminate all idolaters, pagans and non muslims from the face of Earth that's why Allah's last Messenger was sent to Arabia on
earth. Why then did Allah find it impossible to accomplish this mission planning, plotting and killing along with his beloved prophet and believers for more than 1400 yrs ?(though all his creation was brought into existence by him in an instant? )
This Allahs will prevails in a parallel universe. Not ours. Deport all his belivers there.
I wish you'd say : Stay away from islam at the end of each video :D
Shabir wearing a fake beared ?
It looks so weird
Are those beard of Momin for real ?😵💫
The glasses are off! Abdullah sameer is super cool now! Like his boyfriends David wood and Apostate Prophet!
I am an atheist i think this all happened to other planets also all prophets and jesus also but knowledge not disclosed between planets only one planet no outside connection
Adam dropped out of heaven. Then God removed 99.999% of Adam's gene pool except for NOAH through a catastrophe that almost impossible to survive without divine intervention. Then final termination of 99.9% of Noah,'s gene through pockets of natural disasters and famine except for Abraham.
Wow !! Shabir Ali is becoming apostate
Soon Shabir Ally will leave Itslame.
Folks who say we're not unique, just another planet, etc., don't live like that. Just ask yourselves if you plan to dismantle every humanist organization while telling people advocating for human rights to go home. While you're at it, tell people running mental health organizations, care-related organizations, every support group known to man that we are not unique and really, you're just a number. Please be consistent. Don't talk as if life matters, while also implying that it doesn't, and criticizing theists for asserting that it does. Life matters, and that is consistent with the beliefs of Muslims and Christians. It's atheists whose words don't match their actions.
Not what I said
@@FriendlyExmuslim It's the implications of your criticisms. Only, you don't see it, or you don't want to see it. And that's the internal contradiction of our present secular-humanist society as a whole. They want to use the historical Christian influence in the culture, when convenient, and attack and mock it, the rest of the time. If there's no God, why do you live as if there is? Why do you talk as if there is? Please be consistent, and if you can't be consistent, at least admit it, that everything we say and everything we do means absolutely nothing if all we are is highly evolved primates living on borrowed time on a pale blue dot. Do you spend your free time criticizing monkey societies too? Amoeba societies? What makes us so special? Did you think we are God's favorite species living on "God's favorite planet?" You talk as if things matter, Abdullah, when the reality is that if there's no God, you have no anchor for anything you say. It's just one person's opinion.
@Jamal Ramadan This was the core of my criticism Jamal, that secularists criticize religion, at the same time, secularists in the West are largely dependant on a historically Christian or Judeo-Christian culture, on which they base many of their assumptions. They are cultural Christians themselves, but they don't admit it. Instead, they openly mock Christianity while simultaneously depending on it. They assume that everywhere is like the West, that we can just be good without God, as they commonly say while ignoring that the West has been influenced by 1700 years of predominantly Judeo-Christian influence. If you're not from the West, that's a different discussion to have, isn't it? I'm happy to discuss anything you like, but I'm pointing out the inconsistency of culturally Christian secularists in the West, to be very clear.
As I said to Abdullah:
"If there's no God, why do you live as if there is? Why do you talk as if there is? Please be consistent, and if you can't be consistent, at least admit it, that everything we say and everything we do means absolutely nothing"
Margaret Harvey
@Jamal Ramadan Jamal, having thought more about what you said, if I thought the god of Islam was the God of the Bible -I would agree with you, but I don't. Feel free to ask me why I think that. I do generally agree that these arguments would be consistent across the board again, if it was the same God -but I don't think it is.
I'm sorry the whole backwater planet or galaxy argument seems a bit lacking in any logic if you ask me, if God chose any place in the universe any skeptic will then say that place is a random arbitrary place in the universe, same with if there was other planets with life, going there would still entail this same skepticism, and I think anthony as much as I disagree with him as he says "because God chose us that makes us special and stick out$
I agree I always found this a little weird argument. To God why would the "center" of the galaxy be any better than the edges. we apply a human city metaphor to a galactic structure, how do we know what is the most important parts. for all, we know life is impossible at the center because that supermassive black hole eats everything and makes the orbits of planets and stars too erratic to support life maybe the edges ( arms of the galaxies) are the important parts). We should not assume that life is so inevitable in our universe or galaxy. yes, the universe is large beyond our understanding but it is also extremely hostile to life. there is a good enough chance we are it, the first emergence of life, the first emergence of intelligent life. Life does not mean that intelligent life will appear. remember intelligence of our sort as so far occurred only once on our planet. evolution does not care about intelligence or consciousness and does not care about the life it is building it can easily build complexity as well as lose complexity. it an unconscious random process if we believe the scientists.
Yeah but it does not seem planned does it. It seems very random considering where we find ourselves. Almost like it happened by... chance
@@FriendlyExmuslim but there are no natural processes or chemistry that would give rise to life on a pre-biotic earth. The astronomical odds required to give rise to the most basic life molecules required for a simple cell seem like for example a simple lipid, sugar or amino acids. all these molecules require a very experience chemist to make in a very controlled process lab. it is difficult to see how these processes take place under a rock somewhere. Randomness as an explanation for the ever-increasing complexity of life and the world around us seems like a crop out. why there is something rather than nothing and randomness still seem a weak explaination. I know a" plan" does not seem an sufficient explaination either but does a child always understand everything a parent does. A lot of processes look random until we work out there is a pattern in there somewhere.
@@FriendlyExmuslim but it's not random the only thing you can say maybe random are the laws of nature, if you have laws, within any system then whatever happens within that system isn't random
@@FriendlyExmuslim but saying the laws of nature are random is an assumption, the assumption being g that they could have been any other way without the evidence, we'd need a few more examples for us to then say yep the laws are arbitrary
ex muslim? bet he doesnt even know kalima shahadut
Obviously, Shabir Ali has lost the plot.
Abdul thameer
I would reccomend you to debate Micheal Jonez of IP on the Topic of Genesis He's Got a solid case.
I think that Shabir Ally's approach is useful, it will make a bridge and help Muslims to stop not using their minds and then they can go to the next step.
(It happend to me)
Dr Dave once said, that Sams channel, was the cure for insomnia!😂🙌🇬🇧
Definitely a better approach too often educated people in the West hold onto irrational scientific positions for the sake of their faith stories. However there'll be groups of Muslims happy about this, and we're slso familiar with the predictable dawahganda, and the traditionalists typical response.
Nothing wrong with Shabir's position. In fact you (Abdullah Shameer) are the one who raised the wrong challenge and question. Muhammad never claimed to be divine. Islam teaches that Muhammad and the other prophets were sent for humans on earth, not for creatures on other galaxies. Christianity, on the other hand, claimed Jesus to be divine. Thus the questions raised by shabir is quite valid. If he was divine, why chose only earth as the place for the divine mission?
Nothing going on for God to visit the centre of our galaxy as science has it that the is a super massive black hole at the location of Sagittarius A according to prophet google. According to God in the Bible He has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; personally speaking having experienced the overwhelming love of God when I baptised myself in the name of The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit in the sauna in a gym in Godalming many years ago now I can report that Jesus is indeed the Son of God. - a messianic Jew
Shabir, Why would Allah send/reveal the most perfect religion (Islam) book (Quran) and Prophet (Muhammad) in the middle of a dry fruitless desert 😄.
Btw, Adam (as) being chosen from a prehuman species (on whom miracles were performed later) was the opinion held NOT BY SHABBIR ALLY alone. It was also held by Dr Israr Ahmed (a very prominent scholar and Qur'anic exegete from Pakistan). They believe that evolution and Islam have zero problems, as long as you believe in miracles; I and many in my circles hold the same theological view as well.
Try updating yourself on academic stuff rather than sticking to dogma like Shamoun.
Yeah I know about this from many years ago. Not about Israr Ahmed, but about pre-existing humans theory. If you listen to my video you'll notice this wasnt even a big deal for me. The other stuff he said was more surprising
Poor guy
Was always going to happen. He is too spiritual for them.
😂 let me correct you Mr nice ex Muslim , Yes prophet Muhammad is indeed sent for the WORLDS yes WORLDS.
Quran 21-107 And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.
BINGO , and by the way Jesus is not God and never claimed to be God I hope you learned something today that Prophet Muhammad was sent to the WORLDS and not just world.
Sound like lousy Lah wasn't good in recruiting newbies
He is dishonest. Why try bring science into religion. Just leave it if you find science more convincing.
Firstly: even the father of evolution couldn’t prove evolution as a fact, it’s only a freaking theory and that’s how it’ll remain till the end of time. All these years and it’s still a theory? 😂 for advanced intellectuals to dumb down just to be able to fabricate a lame theory about the creation of man is clown world!
Secondly: As a Muslim Qur’an comes first (as the criterion for judgement ) and Allah specifically said he created us from a single soul and from it created it’s mate thus you can’t use a theory to disprove what Allah has established in the Qur’an!
For God to select from a community or group of already existing people creates more problem than it solves. Who made the group of people? How did the first man came about? Are we now admitting that evolution is the rational explanation for mankind? If this is right, quran is wrong and religion has no basis. I think the doctor have some more explaining to do.
Biggest Kafir = Muhammad
Biggest Shatan = God/Allah
Biggest Kufr of this world = Islam.
I'm an Ex-Muslim and a Revert Atheist. And I hereby agree that Islam is indeed the real Kufr and Mohammad is the biggest kafir in the history of man kind. It is 100% true that someone who leaves Islam is punishable by death (ordered by none other than the real terrorist and kafir The Mohammad himself throughout his life). In Islam if someone questions Muhammad, Quran, or Allah's controversial, evil, unethical, contradictory, scientific flawed acts and stories he/she will have his head chopped off by the Islamic law - let alone disrespecting the Islam. No wonder why When you're a kid it is discourged to debate on Islam, Since the Islamic Scholars know that in Islam there are countless evil things and people rise against it. No wonder why Islam is the most growing religon of the world. It is not because of the will of MAN MADE Allah, but, it is due to the cunningness of Fundamentalism of Islam.
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3327
Sahih al-Bukhari 268
(Surat Tawbah)
(Surat Azab, ayat no. 37)
(Surah al-Baqarah, verse 2:230)
(on countless occasions in quran we come to know it was only meant to arabic people)
(Sahih al-Bukhari 5134)
(Sunan an-Nasa'i 3327)
(Sahih al-Bukhari 3017)
(Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059)
(Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1458)
Read some of these above-mentioned Evil Verses and Hadees's of Cancer religion of Islam. Please read it West (USA) we need your help, please help us bring out of this Hell of Islam. Majority of muslims are pressed to follow Islam, they don't question it due to the fear of losing their lives - let alone speak against it. The majority of muslims (99% of them) get conditioned throughout their lives that Islam is perfect, which is the biggest lie. In fact, the entire Quran and all its Commentary is laughable and grotesque in nature. What else can you expect from (an uneducated Shepherd Muhammad, who couldn't even write and read his own name)?