Green Beret CQB Clearing Tactics (New Channel
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The position that Mike introduced we called it “Rifle retention position”. No matter what rifle position you like, this is the most effortless position you can possibly have that still has the muzzle point to the potential threat. Cqb is never just one room. It could be a whole factory or an entire floor of a hotel. I know most of you guys are tough, but you will have a sore arm at some point eventually. So this technique has usually been used when you are isolating the threshold while your teammates handling stuff inside the room to save you some energy but still being alert. It's really good to see people disscusing different tactics. And the more you learn, the more you will know what tactics are most reasonable to use under what circumstances.
Yeah holding On a threat area for a while or multiple floors of an office building it could certainly be a viable option in place of the best option because may the best option has become a non option
@eenzyme898 Well-said.
I may be mistaken but I’m pretty sure Christian Craighead, Obi-Wan Nirobi, talked about using this when he had to clear that hotel building for hours on end.
@@Forward_Concepts I noticed both of you are demonstrating inside of some sort of public space, where it looks way more spacious than inside a typical house with doors 29-30" wide. I guess the 'best method' would highly depend on the specific situation, and often has to be retracted when you are entering a 29" doorframe from a 42" hallway.
Green berets, Seals, and Marsoc would sometimes have to clear city blocks in Iraq which could take hours on nighttime raids. Nobody can hold up a rifle for that long especially in kit.
As a Marine vet and active police officer, I follow you both and appreciate the professional interaction of the post on each others views.
DJ's display of this tactic has been 100% meme gold. And for that, I'm very thankful to Mike.
DJ is the type of guy to call the police and have his black employee arrested for stealing a package that is actually in his own desk drawer. Then fire him because he can’t look him in the face every day after doing such a thing. Look at this dudes real track record. IMO POS.
@@ballinonabudget1130 to be fair. He'd probably have you arrested regardless of race.
@@KarlHungus.yeah he will probably even throw his own son under the bus for another 40 of ❄️
@@nightmarecat16 calling out facts is one thing. Spewing out statements like this just make you look like a hater. Comfortably hidden behind your keyboard I might add.
@@KarlHungus. Shipleys reputation is in the toilet after multiple incidents now either calling the police on friends and employees and also stealing artwork from Slades daughter and abandoning his own son. This is all on record. He isn't going to sleep with yu either so stop glazing him.
Sometimes advanced techniques break the fundamental rules a little bit.
Like jazz.
But also like jazz, you have to actually know what you're doing, otherwise you're gonna fuck up real bad.
I love and study Jazz. You just hit the right note on the right chord at the right time. 🤌🤌🤌
Thank you, Sir! ✊
This is an artful explanation. Love it man
Regular office guy/civilian here so feel free to ignore my opinion. I did a few runs with the under arm and over top short stock with my 16in rifle. I found short stock to be the easiest and most comfortable technique. The two main things I disliked about the under arm is how restrictive my body gets when trying to maneuver the rifle as the rear of the gun is sandwiched to my side. Short stocking allows me to use both hands to gimbal the gun as needed whether it is to avoid bumping into things or to get through a threshold. The 2nd thing is due to my weapons and my arms length I am bumping into the doorway during my attempts to expose as little gun-before-body on entry. For example, if I am trying to clear left corner, I could be a bit left of the doorway on entry and my left forearm hits the doorway, or I'm a bit to the right and my elbow/stock hits the doorway. The only option then would be to enter more at an angle instead of already facing your body towards the corner before stepping in. Short stocking brings in my arms and allows me to curve the gun around the doorway easier and making entry smoother. My 2cents.
Interesting take. I didn’t invent the technique, as I stated in your cropped video I was taught it. I was taught this as someone that’s done team CQB in various organizations. I like many of the members of GRS/CIA from various backgrounds of SOF, thought at first glance it was very odd and seemingly silly. But after learning the technique over two weeks of isolation in various scenarios and as a singleton, I thought-well at least we have a technique. As single man CQB isn’t taught. The men that taught us were from all backgrounds and had more operational experience in the job and we trusted their take. The techniques you’re demonstrating don’t take into consideration multiple threats in a hostile circumstance, nor real behavior of role players. The nature of your video albeit short in nature because of the platform don’t explain things as we were taught. I appreciate the analysis, maybe you should take this up with an entire organization teaching this for over a decade, that are also operating in harms way.
I appreciate the comment. I worked with what I had. I clipped out the parts not related (necessarily) to the actual tactic itself…It would be a 30 min video of watching something not related to the points I tried to make. As I stated it’s not about you…it’s about ideas and information. I realize by providing parts of the original video there’s no way around it feeling that way, but I tried my best.
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Also… open invitation to come on my podcast and to my place in Utah and do some knowledge sharing. I’d also like to show you the entire methodology from the GRS vetting and training course to see what you think.
@@Forward_Conceptsunderstood. Look when I went to vetting I was with unit guys, dev, SF, rangers, I was an SF SGM in 19th at the time… we literally looked at each other and said wtf. When we were told to go into the warehouse and rescue the hostage (case officer) alone, there was a lot to cover-upper level. Hallways, intersections, opposing threats, etc. when I had a case officer connected to my back and tried to get him out I was shot to hell because there was a lot to cover. The tactic albeit not perfect gave us the opportunity to rapidly move and engage threats. On several runs I remember (ten years ago), all of us coming out and going, dang it works. Again, it’s for a specific mission set, GRS-our jobs was typically alone or in twos and saving case officers in a worst case scenario. Just giving some context… like I said I don’t want to further divide a genre of humans that are greatly divided. These things we need to communicate about, share information, agree or agree to disagree and be better from it. Love your content. Keep doing you. If you want to come out hit me up Mike.Fieldcraft@gmail.com
Mike glover I knew that was you from that damn hat 😂
I teach all 3 methods to our swat guys over the shoulder, under the arm or coming through already with eyes over sight. I got the opportunity to train a day with will chesney and he was an advocate of under the arm when going through the threshold, but he was aware of both techniques, under thr arm and over the shoulder. What i teach my guys is if you criss cross or button hook often you will have to break your rifle down one way or the other. But if they center check or check center for their entry method and they position their back close to the opposing side of the frame of the critical corner they are about to dig out as they enter, you can go smoothly through the frame of a door with the rifle up and head just above sights. I demonstrate this with 16in rifles and the butt stock fully extended. But it takes practice and proper footwork to move it through the theshold correctly. Great video and explanation. You and mike both demonstrated your points well. Time and place for everything, and often the best technique is the one you train the most, but its always good to have more tools in the toolbox.
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@@terryduffield5860 generally speaking if you are going through the threshold by collapsing your rifle doing a criss cross, you probably pied or panned across the threshold prior to entry and saw most of the room from the outside prior to entry. So more than likely if you do engage, you are engaging during your pie across the threshold. Most guys bounce to the far side of the door frame when they are engaging if also being engaged. If there is a threat that is scene in the threshold and the officer has the drop on the threat or ahead of the ooda loop, they often engage while outside the threshold similar to a center check and then move in after the threat is down or going down. More often then not if they engage a center threat on force on force they go through the threshold hold and immediately clear the most unknown corner in a center fed room and then collapse their sector of fire back to the room. Center check usually allows almost no rifle collapse due to the style of entry. In law enforcement in CQB their is rarely multiple shooters in the same room unless your training specifically multiple shooters in a hostage situation. If it's HRT you are using NFDDs and other distractionary devices or methods and moving through the threshold as quickly as possible and getting to multiple points of domination on the suspects to get depth and angles and multiple angles of fire. Most of our guys if they do collapse are generally going over the shoulder and punching out. As long as they are going over the shoulder correctly they can still engage a threat without ever acquiring sights as most CQB distances are 7 yards or shorter.
I love the analising every detail and possiblity logically, asking yourself if it would really be the best approach in each situation, not just repeating the "common sense", simple content yet rare.
Yeah that’s the idea…so many good ideas are never accepted by egos
@@Forward_Concepts egos also have a bad way of reacting poorly to constructive criticism as well. Challenges to an idea aren't necessarily ad hominem attacks yet many times they are received (and responded to) in such a way. Ideas are great, discourse about said ideas are even better.
Two way street. So many times we only expect the other party to listen ;)
Short stocking and under the arm high ready is a solution to the problem of trying to fit a rifle through normal sized threshholds while keeping your hips and plate facing the uncleared corner.
Also to note, Mike seems to have a 14.5 with a suppressor making the length overall much longer than the review/demonstration. Though, using an sbr with suppressor to simulate length in the demo review. Having the rifle already shouldered would likely get caught up with the added length.
@@LRSSkySoldier I was trying with my 16 inch barrel with no suppressor last night. If I keep it shouldered, and keep the muzzle oriented toward where I want to go, I can't fit through any of the doorways in my house.
@@simonsundy518 we’re on the same page for sure.
@@simonsundy518 Common house doors are often 29-30" wide. Even a suppressed MK18(k-can, stock extended 2 clicks is over 32") won't be able to fit through when completely sideways. You would need something like a Rattler or X95 SBR to do that.
So yeah, the longer the rifle, the more you will have to work with all the retracted techniques, plus the earlier you will have to stick your muzzle into the room as you are pivoting. For using a 16" rifle in common residential you will likely need to both retract the rifle and stick the muzzle into the room just a tad earlier when you're entering. Often you can't aim down sight when you have to enter a door in a tight hallway. That's exactly why something like MK18 with K-can and loaded with appropriate ammo is so valuable in such a situation.
A 16" AR (stock extend 3 clicks for handling) with regular-sized can is ~40". A Rattler with Woflman-short is ~28". So techniques aside, I hope you have something more CQB-oriented than a 16" AR.
@@JohnZ556 you simply reiterated my point
In the instruction mike was simply making the observation of someone being able to grab the gun and retracting that would give u the ability to break shots from the hip while simultaneously coming up firing shots until your gun is shouldered collapsing your sectors I get what your saying as well though
A thing to note too is they have similar barrel lengths but Mike has a can aswell, its easier to enter the room guns up with the can-less setup, you can pretty much enter the room sideways through the door dam near, with a longer gun it needs a method that breaks it down for just that few seconds then throw it back up to bussiness as usual
That facility looks awesome for indoor practice
I like the retracted method for tight hallways where you really dont have alota room to move. If i have a ton of space in a non residential building I feel like it isnt as necessary.
This is an age old question that as far as I've known has been discussed since WW2. Over 80 years of history and individual experiences has changed things a lot, and I think this video is great. Nails a LOT of details that are generally glanced over. Great video.
One thing for people to remember is there is doctrine level training which is the basics of how to perform close quarters battle (CQB) and then there are the tactics, techniques, and procedures (TTPs) when you get to your specific organization. No one organization is wrong its just how they teach/train. I would say find one that fits you best and roll with it.
Very good breakdown. I'm impressed that you got Glover himself to comment. The best thing about yours and his video is that it gets you thinking and that's probably the strongest weapon you can have when conducting CQB (single & team). I appreciate Glover's response, but as you have stated in previous videos, "it's the way we've always done it" doesn't mean its right & stifles evolution. And that's not to say Glover is wrong either. He's probably one of the few people in the world I would ever question on tactics.
I think you said it best in the beginning with "use what you like and don't use what you don't like." But definitely try everything in training.
I've been following you for a few months now and I definitely feel like you think about this stuff 24/7, so I truly appreciate and trust your analysis. You would definitely be an asset to Glover's channel if you did his podcast.
Also on a side note, I am not a fan of the dudes he had with him in that video (won't mention names/company). My unit trainers actually tell us to pass on their instruction. Maybe Glover got a bit caught up in them being there on set.
I love and trust Glover though. I want to make that clear.
Thanks for posting and stay safe!🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍
I respect that he approached it the way he did, because that’s not what most dudes do. They usually don’t. The “community” goes after peoples livelihoods and takes a considerable about of time trying to discredit people instead of ideas.
Been to multiple courses over the years including SWAT/SRT instructor level and Active Shooter Instructor level ( ERASE, ALERRT ), every single one had their own gimmick , and usually they all worked for specific situations but not all . Ive used high port , low ready , shoulder pocket and everything you can think of and they all work but what i have found (for me and im a huge dude) is best to keep the weapon in a modified low ready/ CQB with the tip of the butt resting on the trap and entering as he did on this video for single level room clearing . Seem to be faster and more importantly smoother for me . Now you go to multi level clearing and that all goes out the window . We saw in multi-level clearing retracted or high port gave us the fastest and best chances to engage tartgets on multi level . BUT in a team or multi person clearing you have the advantage of designating work areas and that itself changes everything. The first and best thing to always ask is , " hey why am i doing what im doing ". If you're one man cqb it to retireve high value personnel because of circumstances and there is an imminent time window for that objective then alot of tactics and techniques will go out the window , because your mission is already a shit show . Also all these are hypotheticals and hopefully anyone doing this for their mission has other tools available to them ie. FBs , gas , or other distractionary devices/ techniques. I hate how this always comes to a pissing contest between well intended individuals who are trying to do work for good . Really hope we can see more training groups colab .
Spot on, Sir. ~ from a fellow Neanderthal knuckle dragger-sized breaching guy
Damn good comment 👍🏼
@Gun_Nerd negative but I ironically know a guy with them . He's at one of the new storage plants they put in Nevada. Interesting question why do you ask ?
@Gun_Nerd lol well grew up as Tommy so man you were at least half right . I'm in the Southeastern US . Recovering from shoulder reconstruction so I've been out of the game for the past 8 months and just getting fat lol but I'll be back at it before too long . Be safe brother .
All of this.
All of your approaches to the door are from center on which is generally a no-no, and an easy approach with a rifle. If you are entering the room from the side of the door as you should, then the retracted method allows you more mobility while keeping the rifle pointed where your plates and eyes are pointed. It’s not perfect but it’s a good tool for the toolbox.
I don’t necessarily agree that entering the door from a centered position is bad as long as when you cross the threshold you are in the best position to attack your corner. As stated in the video you can clear 80% of a room upon entry, it makes more sense to flash 12 (or the center of the room) to give you as much situational awareness of that room upon entry. If you are clearing as an individual or as the 1 man in the stack I would argue that it should be done and then you would dig your corner following that. With that being said though you can flash 12 before entry and if there is an immediate threat you can engage from outside the threshold but if there is not an immediate threat as you enter you would position yourself to dig your corner. All of this would happen simultaneously.
Not sure how long your rifle is but probably 90 percent of the time I can enter a doorway at any angle without needing to collapse my rifle
Cool, I am still using the low ready or high situation depending.
It's always good to get both perspectives from police standpoint and military stand point. It's also very important to note, that tactics can differ from civilian areas and areas. Of said war in terms of training both get.
Outstanding analysis. Flows nicely from your One Man CQB Room Entry Methods video
Thanks!
This is one of the CQB channels that actually makes sense. The retracting method should only be used for confined spaces where the shoulder method would not be suitable.
I’ll show that on my live tonight I forgot to add that in the video
@@Forward_Concepts excellent content brother. You are saving so many lives with your videos. God bless you sir.
Really appreciate you breaking this down and offering some other thoughts and demonstrations. I watched this video sometime ago and tried out what was described for myself. It just didn't really make that much sense to me as I tried clearing my home and just ended up short stocking because I want my muzzle to get to the threat ASAP and it's faster to do that if my muzzle is already up. Basically if you're always ready, you don't have to get ready. Maybe there are certain situations where the tactics from the other video are more advantageous, but I couldn't find the relevance in my preparation. Thanks again.
Yeah that’s my logic, closer to the fundamentals of marksmanship. You will like the next video …I got into more detail on the methods and considerations
@@Forward_Concepts Looking forward to it!
Dj, Cole amd Mike damn sure know what they are doing.
A couple months back a youtube channel called Daisho Tactical did a video presentation titled Deliberate Vs Dynamic which method is better? Or something very close to that, but you'd probably really want to see it if you havent had the chance yet. I'm old school so i only apply a dynamic technique to a very limited group of scenarios. There is a dichotomy to dynamics that i feel every person needs to individually understand during their introduction to it in the training phase, so they can better decide whether to apply it or not. Once you cross a threshold using a dynamic entry you basically have bought the room and everything in it. There are alot building clearing bodycam vids from Ukraine available right now too, which is good because they have some factors like multiple trained and equipped opponents, booby traps, improvised obstacles, even friendly and enemy air support. These sqaud level firefights kind of have a way of going not as either group expected. Thanks for this presentation.
I saw his stuff and subscribed. He has great info
There are scenarios where there is efficiency realized with these techniques. However in general I think shouldered is more efficient in most situations. Yet there is also the reality of HUGE clearing operations and fatigue factors in where this is almost as good with much less fatigue so that’s also valid. It’s something to train on some and consider.
One thing I noticed at 4:50 or so that I think is relevant that wasn't touched on is the distance of protrusion of your muzzle in reference to your support hand. In Mike's video he's dealing with a can, adding a good 4-6" of barrel to maneuver around the barrier, wheras your handguard is maybe 2" from the muzzle, which allows you to keep the weapon in a more uncompromised techique.
I personally run a 20 inch barrel, and train entry techniques as seen on channels much like the two of yours, and what I've found is that Mike's technique of short stocking under the arm makes a better product for not slamming my muzzle into the doorway, botching the whole movement. I've noticed similar results using a Government issue M4, with a short handguard, and higher distance between hand and muzzle.
I love that you took the time to have this dialogue with demonstration. The only way we as shooters doing close quarters get better is this kind of debate and discussion. Iron Sharpens Iron. Great video.
I don't understand why you would choose a 20' barrel for cqb. Is that because you first attack the building from 600 yards? Are you expecting your opponents to be wearing plate armor?
So much information!
Great vid, showing the opps perspective is very interesting, please do that more
I plan on it
I liked my own comment
Same
I gave you a thumbs down to be a contrarian.
Ballsy bro
I do that all the time also.
Hah, we see what you did there!
Great content and explanation man. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Honestly, this is the kind of content I like and am here for. Genuine analysis of pros/cons, no definitive “X way is better because Y”. Keep it up. 👍🏻
I appreciate that!
Truth, excellent instruction
Thanks!
Great video, I have not been a fan of these "new" cqb techniques but give them a fair evaluation. I adopted the compressed ready and back strap tech, but still adhere to low ready and switching l to r depending on entry point. Again, solid no suit analysis by you.
Thanks!
@KineticConcepts_Group I whole heartedly agree with what you said, take what you like and toss what you don't. We trained with the likes of LAPD and LASO, among others. We tended to adopt SO techniques more than the renowned LAPD. How they did things just did not work for us.
Well usually the "short stocking" or "gun compressing" is done so that your eyes and barel will see the unkons at the same time, barel entering first doesnt really matter as usually youre not shooting blind, you want to actually see what youre shooting at so gun compression helps shortening the time between barel coming in and then your eyes, for the opponent, the moment he sees your muzzle his reaction timer starts (i think its 180-200 ms for an average person) and youre trying to minimize that as much as possible, you can start identifying it only when you see it, not when your barel seeing it.
Now the idea behind retracting the gun between transitions is to bring the weight youre holding clower to your center of mass, like when you try to pick something heavy with your arms straight or hold it when its close to your body and try to lift it then, its basic biomechanics and physics and turning your head and gun without your whole body will be faster and will let you shoot earlier and at these distances you dont really need the rifles shouldered (my personal opinion of course) which is why retraction is used in transitions between target as well.
Overall though, i enjoyed the video, i love seeing different ways of doing different things and always learning from them.
Very valid points. Of course, you do not need to shoulder the gun, to take effective shots.
Your shoulder tactic seems to assume that you will be facing a standing target that is easily identifiable. Running the gun high like that with the arm high like that means you are blocking a lot of your vision so yes, it's faster when you know exactly where the target is to point your gun at it but when you don't know the exact target, you will be slower when the target needs to be identified and is not standing in front of you.
the things that most people forget to mention is that in cqb is that walls don't protect you and taking cover behind one you will most likely been shot.
It makes senses for the people that are trained but most people would assume that a wall = safety
nice context to understand and not like copying stuff and doing weird things, awesome analys
Doing my best
If you do the retracked position, utlize the hi power green laser on your IR.
Don’t give up the critical eye and independent thought. Mike and others always deserve respect, but tactics are always fluid and changing, and your method may actually be the best and others haven’t caught up yet. That’s how techniques improve. Keep up the good work. Sub!
Shouldered entry may work with 26”-34” doorways, but there have been instances where 19” doorways were encountered. Try shouldered entry with only 19” of clearance
Awesome video. Stay safe and God Bless .
What length barrel are you using, and can you maintain the shoulder method going thru a doorway with a 16" barrel, or a suppressed weapon? Also, can the shoulder method still be used when you can't come in at that perfect angle? Not attacking the technique, just think it's the perfect technique for the perfect scenario i.e. wide hallways with no obstructions, wide doorways with no doors, large rooms etc. Maintaining shouldered is the most efficient and best for accuracy for sure. Just want to dive deeper into this. Good content, gets the brain going.
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You cannot shoulder a 16 barrel rifle and walk through a standard doorway without your barrel being visible. The enemy in the corner will see your barrel first and the barrel won’t be oriented to him.
The whole premise of collapsing the rifle before entering a room is so that your barrel isn’t visible to an enemy in the corner until the barrel is facing the target.
I agree with you 100%. I was not surprised, but did find it odd that Glover immediately had to name drop and call out his training for this, when all he had to say was, "There are many variables and many ways to execute this move". For me that is a no go for an instructor! I now understand why you turn off comments in some videos! Keep up the great work your doing, it helps the new guys, and gals to get good dope from those who know.
You can move a shorter lever much faster than a longer one, so technically speaking if you short stock your rifle you can move it faster from one side of the room to the other. Now do you need to have your rifle in your shoulder to start engaging a target especially in Close Quarters Battle? Or for Example on a ship? I have maneuvered my rifle out of my shoulder in room clearing situations hitting my target for the purpose of being faster, however, I was maybe 8 feet away from my target. Also this was in Military operations not law enforcement. All that being said I don’t teach CQB that way and prefer to always have my rifle in my shoulder, unless you absolutely have to short stock your rifle like clearing a camper trailer, but you can transition to pistol as well.
The type of room clearing being taught by the GBRS video would make sense in an extremely confined area such as in VBSS, but not for everyday application.
I think the application is for moving across thresholds. It does look contradictory, but the method Mike is trying to show is very specific for moving to an area without the time to enter every room. At the end of the day, as my mentor taught me: eat the meat; spit out the bones.
Well, they showed it and demonstrated it entering a room. Just have to work around that dilemma.
I'm just your everyday citizen that likes guys and even I identified the flaws in that video when I first saw it, highly appreciate the respectful way you went about explaining how it didn't make sense and showing how it is best done, keep up the great content man, sure you earned more than just my sub from this one.
What does you liking guys have to do with it? I mean did you just want to throw that out there??
@@iPaintCars very confusing indeed
@@iPaintCars LMFAO.. I guess I just came out.. I mean I meant to say likes guns but the gig is up..
Putting under the arm is called the under arm assault position, been used for decades in the UK. Takes more practice to become competent which is why the guys will go back to the shoulder for the collapsing of the room and you can’t hit small targets like you can with aimed shots as it’s a type of point shooting.
Yeah exactly. Thats why I don’t advise anyone to be doing that. There’s tons of stuff you “can” do…and a lot of stuff you could sacrafice for military stuff. But cops shouldn’t be doing it for the reasons you mentioned
The width of the doorway and the size of the room make a difference. Know your max range accuracy at various distances to determine what techniques are viable in a given circumstance.
Yep
I love your content, man. Glover has a ton of knowledge and experience, DJ too. No denying that, no matter what your opinions are or the drama is.
But the fact is many LEOs and their agencies don’t practice at the level of CAG or DEVGRU and it’s impractical to assume they will be able to perform these techniques at equal speed and proficiency overall. That being said, you break it down really well - between the videos from overseas and the applications to real world situations that saturate the reality of most situations; I.e, hostage rescue, barricaded subjects, warrant service.
Again, all respect to the guys you are using as examples. Same to you.
As a SFARTAETC certified Green Beret, I can attest that I’ve NEVER seen Mike Glover’s goofy-ass rifle retention technique that you eloquently emulated at the beginning of the video 🤣👌🏼
Additionally, Mike’s clearing technique IS NOT the Army Special Forces standard of CQB. It’s sad that it’s been represented that way. I appreciate you tearing this apart with skill, experience and common sense. 👍🏼
Ahh a Brother CIF-Lord. I ask what would Ed W. Say 🤔
Dude I lost it at the beginning because I immediately knew who he was mocking 😂
@@TerminalM193 IKR
A jarhead to the defense? WTH?
@@Jarhead20didn't he say that devgru taught this tactic to him when he was in the unit
Regarding exposure to the room/threat, you said folks are seemingly worried about that, but that it's happening so quickly that it's not really an issue (I'm paraphrasing). I would say that you're correct, and if people are worried about exposure during a committed breach, they're worrying about the wrong thing. My opinion is that exposure matters prior to that committal. My preferred strategy of single-man clearing is methodical. I'm almost always pieing off a room as much as I can from the outside before committing to a breach, sort of like a step center method, just more exaggerated. I go to the opposite side of the door frame. That allows me to deal with a threat or retreat while at the same time, allowing me to take a majority of the room's information at my pace, not at the pace of the threat. I don't want to expose my gun through the door until I'm ready to conduct that breach.
Mike and the GBRS guys have given out tons of information that has helped me immensely. I look at CQB like I look at my K9 Training: Everyone has THEIR way of doing it or the way THEY were trained. That doesn't make them wrong, and I don't like to poopoo their methods. I try to look at what they do that I do like and mold that into my methodology. Like recruits that have more than one instructor during their learning phase. They're a combination of their instructors, plus a little bit of themselves.
I could see this being beneficial while under NV. You would be able to to much more mobile while passive lazing targets.
But that’s me kinda forcing this to work. Under NV that’s almost the stance you would take anyway
Just throwing this out there. Mike's way could also make sense if you're the DMR guy in the unit and your 22" barrel literally doesn't let you fit through the door like a smaller rifle would. If it's the rifle you have and you had to do it, it's good to know your options.😂
Well done. We always need to challenge tactics. Over the last 30 years CQB tactics have evolved, circled-back, and even contradicted themselves. CQB will never be perfected.
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I appreciate that
Good video. As much as I appreciate Mike Glover, I agree with you. In all my training and serving search and arrest warrant while on SWAT, I preferred keeping my rifle shouldered as long as my surroundings would allow it. Some doorways are too small and I had to place the buttstock over my shoulder and snap it to the threat area. Efficiency of motion is extremely important. Video tapping individual and team movements is also helpful as this video demonstrates. Stay diligent out there!
But keeping your rifle up blocks your view of things below rifle sight view. Remember LAPD Officers Randall Simmons and Jimmy Veenstra were hit by a guy crouching under a dining room table hidden amongst the dining room chairs. I don't know how or if their rifles were up and mounted, but anything blocking high and low view of a threat area is bad practice.
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You can keep the buttstock or toe of the stock touching your shoulder and be at a low ready, or high ready allowing for almost full view of the area and suspects. It's a very common technique.
@@whiskeyandammo It's the technique I used during my entire career. The toe never left my shoulder, almost at clavicle height, so all I had to do was roll it up into my cheek weld, where my head was straight up, no crouching. It was very fast and effective, as it sounds like you know.
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Yes absolutely correct. We're talking about the same technique. I recall it being taught to me 25 years ago as, "Toe in the Hole." Stay safe my friend!
@@whiskeyandammo I'm happily retired from "the game" now. Stay safe, Brother.
When watching this, I think the real tell is in what Mike Glover said about grabbing the barrel. I can imagine the birth of this technique came from "I saw my brother get the barrel of his gun grabbed and then get shot in the face. How do I stop that, How do I reduce that likelihood to near zero?" That's my two cents.
Great video! I'd love to see the rifle in your shoulder method shown in different doorway sizes with longer rifles. Because from your demo it seems like it might not work with a suppressor, longer barreled rifle, or smaller threshold. I've always found I have to break my rifle down slightly off my shoulder
Yeah it happens you just have to play with it to see if it works
Not a professional door kicker so I'm not qualified to say who is right here, but my observation is having a suppressor can on the end of the rifle might be a relevant difference here. If the total length of your rifle while shouldered is wider than the doorway you need to enter, then you can't enter sideways parallel to the wall as ideally desired. So you are either poking your way through the door at an angle, exposing your barrel for a split second before you're eyes on target for your corner, or you have to unshoulder to come through the doorway first, and then assume a firing stance. If your rifle doesn't have a can on it then you can slide through doors much easier without the need to unshoulder or compromise your entry angle.
Yes there are situations where you would need to short stock your rifle…I do it over the shoulder.
When your clearing the right side of the room how can you have your back turned on the enemey behind you thats on the left side of the room i dont get it you can probably clear it slowly while not going in the room but you cant really see it all cus your simply not in the room all the way and while your doing it slowly you have to be aware of the noise you make and other stuff so i do see the fast way being sufficient but i just dont get it having your back turned on the target
I agree with this video not the other one that was being compared
I mostly agree that there is minimal difference so long as you have the space and your arm isn't super tired from holding your rifle up for a while.
However, the small section where you were timing the first shot on target i don't believe is accurate. My understanding of the technique is that you can fire while it's in the retracted position rather than waiting to shoulder the rifle before pulling the trigger, since you're not usually dealing with high recoil platforms and you're at extremely close range...
Edit: Forgot to mention, just as a brief aside, there is also something to be said for margin of error. The technique you demonstrate as your preference has less of it for avoiding getting your muzzle accidentally caught on the frame. Not a problem when you're fresh, but again maybe the under arm technique is nicer when you're getting fatigued...
My point is that while you “can” shoot from a retracted position …it’s probably not a good idea from an accountability perspective …especially when there is a potential for other people to be present who do not need rounds. As expressed in the original video .
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I see. I'll admit I missed that bit of explanation.
I'd be interested to see a test comparing accuracy at that range when firing from retracted position vs. shouldered, just to see if it's a substantial difference or not.
Context is the important piece missing. going into a house under nods full of high threat targets and little to no civilians its is a effective technique. However, going to serve a search warrant, active shooter, or home defense it becomes less viable but still useful for close in spots like closets if you dont want to transition to a pistol.
Utilizing an active aiming device you can get away with a lot. I don’t disagree with you.
A personal observation is that not all doors are the same size, explosions tend to disorganize a room prior to entry and balance to traverse obsticles on the ground while trying to identify threats is harder than it looks.
See my most recent video where I adjust the size of the door ways. Yea, typically in real life there impediments…but there doesn’t have to be whole demonstrating a technique
The whole point to me is making the rifle smaller while still being pointed down range so you don’t give yourself away breaking thresholds and if your on a boat (have you ever done cqb on a boat, Mr. Cop) this super low ready is beneficial
N remeber being super accurate when your super close is perfect but the concussive effect of the muzzle blast from a 5.56 in a super close quartered environment( where’d you use this) is enough to knock someone backwards
So your sacrificing point accuracy for surprise n speed in super tight spaces.. cuz your shooting from that low port before/ as your shouldering.. makes sense to me
Definitely wouldn’t fire from the hip in a hostage situation
I really appreciate you breaking down pros and cons of different techniques!!! And taking it a step further to use different camera angles and the timer as well!
You’re welcome!
Subscribed because of this. Great analysis and interesting takes. My favorite was the badguys' perspective with both techniques.
One thing i think is important for anyone who may like either technique. Is the efficiency you have getting through the doorway and not over exposing. With either shoulder mounted or that turret style technique, making sure you dont over expose seems to be a huge factor. This alone will take time, reps, practice and more time reps and practice.
I thought this was only in cases where the rifle+you might not pass through in narrow doorways, not every damn doorway. Even then I always kinda liked the stock above the shoulder, at least then your eyes are lined up even closer to the barrel so 3ft bodyshots seem like they'd be easier.
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Dang I didn’t know you could do that! Thanks!
I have a lot of respect for the guys that were in your video, but your way definitely makes more sense.
I think we are all creatures of habit and we all learn ways that just work for us and we tend to not fix things if theyre not broke. I can tell what Mike and those operators in that video are saying as they have done it for decades and theyre still here. Mike is a class act and liked how he explained it whilst not being unable to understand your points. This mutual respect and admiration and constantly critiquing and analyzing and debriefing are how we ALL get better and develop newer, safer and more lethal techniques. Not everything comes from the battlefield and or the streets. Im 55 and a head of a national organization composed of many civilians as well as veterans. Ive seen some pretty bad ass civies who are competent folks who have made some interesting innovations. That being said yes even in a milsim or force n force training evolution, they know theyre not going to be killed. Doing it for real in the very most dangerous of situations also tends to be the exclamation point. I like what you did here and its honestly something I have been doing since I was an active duty cop. Now retired, I still train and try to stay up on this because I feel these skills are going to be needed not long from now! I pray Im wrong!
This is why short barrel rifles and bullpups exist.
Both techniques have there place and both could be used on the same mission, on the same objective. There are two things I see when retracting the weapon when entering a room would be superior to shouldering it. 1) A lot of doorways are not that wide, to get the angle you're getting when keeping the weapon shouldered. This technique really is good for a commercial building, but not a trap house, an old home, or a home in another country. 2) When entering a room, not everyone falls under lethal in your ROE for the mission you're doing. Retracting the weapon allows you to really punch out, getting more power on your muzzle strike to a target that is unarmed and not complying etc...
The shadow gives away movement and your imminent entry at the same time regardless of the position. Lighting is a consideration.
But we can’t not do anything
So many factors. Shoot houses are always so large, open, and empty. Simple, predictable layouts. Empty as fuck. Wide ass doorways.
What works beautifully in a huge office building may work like shit on a ship, or in Trashcanistan, or in cluttered conditions, and vice versa.
But if you’re well versed and practiced in a variety of techniques, you have tools to pull from the toolbox.
Just asking because I don't know. Could you not just engage from the retracted position and shoulder as needed? That wasn't said when I watched Mr. Glovers video, maybe it was just my assumption. At most we are saying 10ft, I've point shot with my handgun at that distance, doesn't seem like it would be any different with a long gun...add in a laser and nods it could surely be mastered and used.
You definitely can, it's called point shooting or snap shooting. It was actually a quite popular technique for quick engagement from WW2 through the 70's.
So that's my main point. Yes as this video explains you aren't saving any time or signature by retracting...but from my perspective upon entering a room as Mr. Glover was explaining it only makes sense to be prepared to engage and/or point/snap shoot. Then as I'm transitioning to collapse my part of the room I can go to full extension and shoulder the rifle. I don't think, again if I'm wrong, sorry, but there are rules in CQB that would prevent me from snap shooting my section of the room should a threat present itself....or even worse be crouched and waiting for me to enter.
I understand your notion for this, and Mike Glover is awesome person to pick his brain or knowledge. Now he isn't the end all be all like this video you have. I say its person who is doing this CQB or clearing. Speaking as a Army Vet repetition and rehearsals are key to be effective. CQB in real life has its variables and be ruthless and never go according to plan especially speed and violence of action. I take this video as a grain of salt. Much obliged.
Good on you mate
Good stuff, they learned cqb from us anyhow, lets not lie. Once you have cleared you need to search to find the target, and it sucks because you are one man clearing, just my thoughts though. Keep it up and stay safe bro.
Keep up the good work! I've been sharing the CQB videos with coworkers
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Never been so early! Great information and I feel that this Green Beret CQB technique is more fuddlore.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hip style is good and flexible 👌
Hope your channel takes off 😊
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@@Forward_Concepts I share your videos here and on ig.
5:10 with a can on the rifle and the house being a crack house... I'd bet you'd get stuck in that door 😂. I like your "cqb method" you called it, I think. Where the stock leaves the pocket. 🤘🏼🤘🏼 another good breakdown video 🔥
Facts bro! Use case is key here
this is giving me csgo tactics 101 where how you can secure the kill especially if the opposing team already is watching the angle you are gonna peek out of and how you can give them the least amount of time to react and push thru the angle.
In csgo, you can outplay the enemy by "jiggle peeking" which overloads your nervous system to where it takes away the quick reaction time to shoot back because if the enemy is using a weapon that is 1shot such as AWP. that split second it takes to reload the awp is enough for you to peek again and pop em. Same with "shoulder peeking" which leaves very little time to react and also very difficult to get a good shot on the enemy because a limb shot or legshot is 80 damage, bodyshot anywhere is 105 damage.
Here the principle is roughly the same except its called "telegraphing" and "slicing the pie" which allows for minimal exposure/coverage that allows you to push and engage the threat because the human being has only between a .125ms to .260ms to react to a threat or stimuli that dictates whether to shoot or no shoot. Also you are playing against the mind of the threat and most of anyone who is in this world of career criminals usually are not as adept at manipulating firearms and marksmanship to be able to combat a well-trained gunman sent out by the government to carry out law and order.
You know their guns are typically pointed at the floor because it is "easier" for them to hold the weapon for long periods of time. You know they're not "prepared" for a quick and violent gunfight.
You know they're not thinking clearly. You know they're probably not equipped for the situation and maybe have "forgot" things.
Such as batteries in optics making sure their gear works. Might have loaded the wrong ammo, or might not have any loaded in the firearm at all. or its the wrong caliber.
Their slings are not adjusted. Their optics are not "dialed in" or "zeroed" They have never "run n gun" with their firearms and dont know their stuff very well.
While a well-trained SRT highspeed low-drag guy got lvl 4 plates, his rifle is dialed in and zeroed, his pistol is topped off and his laser/light and rmr are all "g2g", he has done this run before, hundreds of times. Not only that, its not his first response to a barricaded and armed suspect situation. And he has a team behind him. There is an absolute guarantee one side always wins.
And its not cletus holed up in his trailer home loaded up on percs and jackD and the only firearm he has is his pappy's pump-action.
What’s the width of that doorway? Seems pretty wide compared to the avg residential door
See more recent video on “does size matter”
I can appreciate and respect this vid even though I have absolutely no realistic use for cqb anymore.
Let my add my 2 cents (from someone that THANK GOD has never been in a firefight, but, sadly, had to use my shotgun in a non lethal way): I´ve got a single shot 16 gauge. That´s all I can have where I live. I´ve been practicing moving around the house with the shotgun for a while. My house has corridors where sweeping with the shotgun on my shoulder is not possible. I´ve tried and I end up stuck in a wall. The method shown at 2:11 is the only way I can kinda move around the house with it.
Idk if you know who Matt Pranka is or not, but he talks about a similar technique commonly used in CAG. They figured out that keeping the rifle shouldered was quicker than all this breaking the rifle up and down.
This isn't a technique we practice on my LEO team, but I do believe it to be a superior way of entering a room.
You don’t say…!
Well, high port retraction and jerking the gun means more views and likes, not to mention footwork and mindset...
As I have mentioned several times on different site Military tactics have their place, however they are very different that Civilian Law Enforcement LE are not all ballistic covered as military are. I recently trained some military and showed them that some of their tactics taught don't work in civilian application. They don't have MRAB and Humvees as protection. Flooding a room with soul purpose of taking out a suspect isn't viable in civilian application or safe. JMO
Got a new sub. Great video and cheers from captured 🇨🇦 😅
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great video new subscriber It's always good to have different approach And angles. Once you dominate something you always should Try different stuff. But in the real making Between life and Safety the basic always prevails. Practice memory memory practice
I prefer the stock over the shoulders (retracted method) when entering a common house doorway. Rifle is slightly canted. The doorways both you guys are using are huge. My duty rifle measures 36 inches fully extended, (16inch barrell), and common door ways are shorter than my rifle, using your method is quite difficult because it is hard to just step in the door, unless you are using an sbr. However, this info is good.
That doorway is the same size of the threshold on my front door…it can be done on small doorways…it’s about technique and setting yourself up properly, that rifle is 31 inches as demonstrated. So if you collapse your butt stock (not fully) extended then it should be ok. Either way if you are capable it’s personal preferenxe
@KineticConcepts_Group haha noice. I have tried to retract my stock and it feels awkward. Also, I do like the over shoulders because my eyes are slightly over my optic and the C clamp method is pretty accurate in a CQ situation. Luckily I havent had to dynamically enter a room yet, plus normally shit is always in the way lol. Keep the content coming, big fan.
I will add both view points to my tool belt for further operations, which I kind of already have, lol. These are both techniques we have practiced for a long time. We had an op last night. Not every scenario is going to call for one specific technique, in my opinion. I am also LE. This was a drug raid with a bunch of meth heads in a house that I am pretty sure was on the show, "horders". Sometimes we get nice houses in the higher income areas that allow us to flow though with ease, and then there are ones like yesterday. And yes, it probably took just as long to clear the structure as it did to search it after it was safe, lol. Threshold sizes and clutter around those areas will definitely change what you are going to have to do, in my opinion.
Just became a subscriber after the first minute of watching this.
That’s what’s up…glad to have you….