Going For a Walk With a Nervous or Distracted Horse
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This is part 2 of a series of videos where I take our four year old registered quarter horse, Macaroni, out for a walk at a local park with the goal of getting him used to water. In this video, we have left the trailer and are on the way to the water.
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When leading a horse, safety is number one priority. Leading a horse that is distracted or nervous and in turn not paying attention to you, can be very dangerous. It's important that they listen, pay attention and go where and when you want them to. This takes practice though.
This kind of exercise should only be done once you have confidence you can lead your horse in any direction in a calm and quiet environment. Somewhere that the horse feels comfort and security so that you have the best opportunity to keep their attention. Once that is good, it's time to move on to other places that they may not be used to.
In this case, it was a local park as he has never been in running water before and it seemed like a great day to go do it. Summer is obviously the best time as you're going to get wet too! Anyways, I hope this video is useful and interesting.
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So many YT vids talk about a concept then show a horse that doesn’t exhibit the problem they are discussing. This is an actual demonstration. Well done
Thanks! I appreciate that, glad it was a useful video :)
Thank you for being straightforward and clear. I’m working on breaking my filly, and I tried this for the fist time today . She was slightly confused at first, then went through a pushy “I will decide which tree we circle” stage - backed her up - and after a few minutes she lowered her head and started to enjoy the exercise. Thanks for the idea. We will do this again!
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed the exercise!
And... as everyone can see... Zeus has perfect ground manners. I love how the dog is always alongside.
He goes everywhere :) He has learnt a lot for sure and keeps his space when he needs to, he's a cool dog.
I use this technique with my stallion. It is very effective. He was bad about rearing and pushing into us when we would lead.
Today, was bath day. I tied him up to a tree so I could rest a bit. I walked out on the porch and caught him trying to untie the knot. When he saw me, he stopped 🤣
I really enjoyed your video!
I have a horse around here just like that, always trying to figure out knots and latches! Glad you liked the video, thanks for letting me know 😀
@@StableHorseTraining I have stallions in a field at the back of my house (not mine) me and my daughter give them apples and they sometimes come up to us. We tend to back off so there's a fence between us we're slightly gaining their trust but any sudden moves even if not they could dart off.. Any tips my daughter wants to walk up to them in the open field but I'm weary. Could it be dangerous?
@@stephen5638 I would have a hard time giving advice without being there. So I'd say, yes, that sounds dangerous and I wouldn't recommend going into any herd of horses, let alone a bunch of stallions without a solid understanding of horses and an escape route.
I didn’t appreciate how big and how beautiful Roni is until this clip. He is a beautiful horse!
Yes, like getting kindergarteners to face forward, look at the teacher for directions, start/stop, and listen for or watch my hand signal. It's amazing how consistency, patience, and clear directions will happen by the 1st grade.
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Fab, fab, fab video - just shows you can be assertive without aggression and violence. I'm working with a young mare who's got exactly the same mentality with an attention span of a flea and has improved leaps and bounds over the last couple of weeks. Great horsemanship x
Thank you very much :) Attention span of a flea? Have you every worked with a flea? you never know, they may have a long attention span! haha
@@StableHorseTraining Haha I'm only going by what I've been told..! X
Thank you for your comment. My mare is also very impatient and I’m always getting ridiculed for not being aggressive and violent with her. I can be firm if I have to. Apart from the impatience she’s super well behaved so I don’t think it’s all wrong approach to ditch the violence.
He's gorgeous. I like how you handle him. I was having to learn how to do this with my horse today and you helped me thank you.
Thank you very much! Yes, he's a good looking horse for sure. I'm glad this helped you out.
I know this video is a million years old and for fear of sounding like a stalker groupie but you are so good!!! I watch other trainers and there's bits in there I go hmmm but I have never seen you do anything bad! You keep your patience, never hit the horse and get them following you like the best behaved ever. Goals for sure!!
Thanks for the video. Just good to observe you working with your horses. Mac is beautiful! Zeus is never far from you. Sweet dog! Blessings.
You're very welcome! Glad you liked it. Yup, that little guy goes everywhere with me
Thank you. This is great!!!I am going from a more reliable horses (albeit quite strong) to a bigger and far more excitable one who’s stable companion is even bigger and more excitable 🙈. This is so helpful in giving me ideas to help set boundaries. I don’t just want to survive I want to feel comfortable that we are improving and there is an acceptable level of risk in handling both 🤓🤞 Gxx
You're welcome :) Glad it helped you out a bit and I wish you the best in your work with your horse. Time and patience can go a long way I think
Perfect timing for me and our 4 year old gelding. Thanks! Nice video.
Thank you! Glad it works well for you and your horse
I used this method for my STB mare. She is the best at leading now!! A pleasure. Rewatching this video because I just got a new horse who is young and is horrible at leading! Can’t wait to try this again.
that's great to hear! Glad it helped. Good luck with the new one :)
My pony just trys to eat everything when I'm trying to lead him...😂
Graeme that was an excellent example of teaching AND being so brave with a huge animal.
thank you!
hi great vid! i find that leading the horse to where hes a good distance behind you works great. if the horse spooks you wontbe right behind him and it gives him more space to move.
Excellent point, I completely agree with you
I lead in different types of horses on an evening. They’re usually hungry and quite bolshy and intimidating. Apart from my own pony who I’ve taught to respect me and wait patiently. One will bolt and be leg crazy and use his power against me, the other is anxious and will trot his way in, and the other is so anxious it walks into you all the time. Of course I feel overwhelmed when they’re not listening to me, I will try some of these techniques. I usually use a distraction technique of treats but I think these methods will be useful.
That's hard for sure. Each horse is different and they can be very scary and all in all overwhelming. I try not to use treats myself to get something done and just ask them to behave through the methods I show in this video and a few others. Essentially I never want them asking me to move my feet and should accept pleasantly when I ask them to move theirs. That's the key in the end. I hope it all works out well for you.
my horse acts like this. exactly.
i wish i knew how to be as calm and knew the same skills you have. she runs over me, rares up at me when we square up and i try to get her attention and calm down.
She's afraid, make her feel safe and it'll all go away.
Perfect! This is how my young horse walks, i let her pay attention to, it works very wel, she was rearing to and jumping in me.
Sometimes I get worried or I find myself protector of your horses and I want to excuse their behavior... as if I could even get my mom to follow the same regiment with me and her chihuahuas lol. I saw one of those video dash cams, the kind you can't forget; a simple outer/inner dialouge on dash cam, extremely distressed, driving a car through a fire surrounded on all sides with coals all over the road. With the caption and comments reading how she was able to get out safely and reunite with all the horses she had to get out of harms way before driving into her exit. * sigh of relief to say the least
It gives me sense that sense of wild urgency that any animal, even in a pup in the African grass lands, that any parent /guardian must instill to their young. All the lessons taught and passed down from any wild experience. The urgency in remembering.
Here in the US with my dad passing last year before thanksgiving, me realizing this year I couldn't just skip out on holidays lol, and Veterans Day happening. I thought of all the veterans my dad used to work with ( my dad a paratrooper/veteran, would side job on the weekends as bartended to a local club for disabled vets. He protected kids just trying to go to school in the south. He taught kids how to pay attention to everything and pack a chute before a drop. ) He was my hero, he probably had to break up a few pretty funny fights ... PTSD is real though and I feel that (especially in a city) I can understand the inner urgency to flee, to be hyper vigilant even if you might not appear to be the friendliest in a rushed state. Only exponentiated by a lot of trauma, even a little changing your entire life.
Its important to know they have that trust, not just been forced to listen, or pretend to listen at least when threatened by some others.
I look at it s a great bonded moment between two strong beings. I practiced set of experiences built with love and experience in both lives. I am proud of all your hard work: short, long, easy, boring it's all very good info and I enjoy it a lot, I know you all put in a lot of work and it shows. I hope you guys are having good frosty mornings.... Its 20*f and Im never going outside again!!. .. lol well at least for like a few hours, subway service sucks on Sundays. Who's got 15 minutes to wait for the train??!?! Thankful for spreaders of hope and strength with knowledge.
Holy smokes! What an amazing comment. I'm thankful and humbled by the time and thought you have put into writing it, thank you very much. I'm sorry to hear about your dad, he sounds like he was an absolutely amazing person.
Excellent and beautiful video in this superb forest, with little Zeus always so faithful 😍. Trees are magnificent with their roots, they must be pretty old I suppose. Thank you for this 🤩 this is the kind of thing I never learnt, so I failed and my horse did what he wanted
Thank you very much for your support and kind words. It can be very overwhelming in the moment and it takes a lot of practice to stay calm, and to remember all you have learned.
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Patience as well 😊
This is very true
That horse really acts like mine 🤣 I hope these methods will work and make my horse relax a little. She left her mom tooooooo early soo yea, she never had some kind of example so she can be really bossy. But she is also very kind, smart and curious
They can work and be a good tool in your toolset in dealing with horses that invade your space and make it dangerous to be around them.
Wow! Roni is so beautiful 😊 this was a neat video! Zeus is adorable!😍
Thank you and thank God for this. My 3 year old goes mad in thunder, x
You're welcome :) Hopefully it helps
@@StableHorseTraining it does, thank you for sharing, x
you made all that looks so easy but I know it is not 😂
Thank you for this; I'm having struggles with my three-year-old mare right now. She's aware that her trainer won't put up with her pushiness, but I have less experience and boy, does that mare know it. I was interested in your comment about the tail swishing. My mare uses her tail to broadcast her feelings about everything and I'm unsure what to do about it.
Move her feet. Even just a little. Make sure they know you won't settle for it, but not in a mean way, just as a reassuring firm parent would when a child starts to throw a tantrum kind of thing.
@@StableHorseTraining Thank you - I've learned this week that less is more when correcting a sensitive young horse. Great, really helpful video. Subscribing to your channel.
That sounds great, do as little as you can but as much as you have to. Build on the little things. Thanks for subscribing! Welcome to the channel!
Please help me with some advice with getting my mare used to passing cars
Cute, "you can lead a horse to water..."
I messed up today😕, the horse I help with on Fridays had a bit of a panic today, think it was a case of starting the walk on the path we take back to stable(owner said go that way) into the wind, plus the first time I'd took him that way an was bit my fault...he jerked his head in fright I stepped away arm length but kept hold under his chin an accidently let go of the other end (soft end) of the rope which hit his front leg an added to his fright an made him try to move forward so half turned upperbody stepped slighty into his shoulder an pressed the back of my upper arm a bit into lower neck stopped him a second I told him it was ok stroked neck where I pushed an owner said start walking which I did moved hand down lead so not right underchin an walked . He
walked with a raised head for a bit then calmed down an then lowered it I know I did loads wrong even if he is a gentle old man..im just glad he didnt get away an run off , he got some pieces of apple after walk an let me finish doing grooming stuff I had to leave doing coz we was going on a walk .
Wow that sounds like quite the adventure but try not to be so hard on yourself. We all have those moments and you have done the best thing which is stay calm and now you have evaluated what happened and figured out the missteps. That’s awesome and you should be proud of yourself for admitting you didn’t do everything right and just simply blame the horse. It sounds like you handled the situation great😊
@@StableHorseTraining thanks🙂👍 just feel a bit guilty coz he's 28 and upset him, not the first time though I've done silly things to him😳 been going since summer last year to help out /learn an love every minute of it😊. Our first meeting: accidently statically shocked him was removing fly blanket thing 🤦♀️ then another time accidently let the gate hit him on the bum 😳he wasn't to happy about that either then right after accidently clunked him in the face with his brush🙈😳....still suprised he lets me go near him but if i ever do need to kiss up to him I grab a load of carrots feed him a few an walk away with the rest till I'm ready to properly go a get him. The look on his face when I done that was funny hey!where u going??? . Sorry if I seem daft but I'm still learning an starting riding lessons next week at a school near by can't wait😊
It all sounds good to me, keep doing what you're doing!
look my mare is the same but i broke him from his problem he just needs to bond and learn. i like how you did this but you just need to break him from his problem and he just needs to bond with animals,trails,people and hes so bonded with nature he wants to be everywhere.
I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying. You want me to teach him to bond with trails and animals? The idea that he's bonded with nature makes him fearful? Sorry, I guess I just don't quite understand what you are suggesting that you're saying has worked for your horse.
Ola, would you please make a video on how to catch your horse from the pasture with another horse? Thanks so mucho!!
Sure. Do you mean being on a horse? or the horse is with another horse? Can you describe the trouble you're having? Or imagining?
I am doing ground work with an Arab mare (insecure) who is pasture mate to another Quarter horse mare (insecure). I walk into the paddock and ask her if she wants to come out. Normally, I get to practice my patience and after about 10 minutes of round about walking up to her and becoming interesting (non-direct line), she will let me catch her. I came out the other day on a hot afternoon, and she didn't want to go out, which was okay.
I'm getting her back into being separated from her horse buddy with confidence, since her human is experiencing life, and cannot come out. I get to practice my natural horsemanship groundwork on her and several other horses at the ranch that I am affiliated with. Plus, she is a "hot horse" and so I need to be able to learn techniques to display my dominance without aggression. Does that make sense? Any info is welcomed! Thanks so much ;-))
Ah, I get it. Ok, the best way to catch them isn't so much to walk around a lot but to be very particular as to where you are walking in relation to where they are going. You'll want to induce movement so you can cut it off. When you get what you want, chill out for a second to give an indication that they have done as you've asked. I might be able to replicate this here.. The steps are to walk into the area and walk up to the horse. They will walk away (or run maybe...), your goal is to cut them off by going into their drive line. So you then have them stop, you have to stop too, be very particular in your timing. You may have them turn and go the other way because they know you're cutting them off, keeping working the drive line. If they stall out and face away from you then you have to find a way to make them move, then keep at it. If you follow this and have really good timing then you'll be making them go and stop from a distance with accuracy. With patience in time they will turn to you instead of away from you, that's your chance to walk up to them straight. If they leave, start from scratch. It's not long before they just wait for you to approach. Don't let them approach though unless it's really slow and in an "asking" way.
Okay, got it. I think I've got it. I'll keep you posted. Thank!
I do a bit of this in a couple of upcoming videos.. Not sure if it'll show well but I tried to. Show the perspective of myself in comparison to their driveline.
There is a horse at the barn I work at who is a pretty energetic horse. He walks okay other than getting ahead of me occasionally but as soon s we get into a the roundpen or pasture he will stand patiently for maybe five seconds as i close the gate before taking of as I try to not get dragged. I not this he'll run around to my the opposite side he is standing next to me and rear. I am not really sure what to do to stop him from doing this. I know you can't help too much without actually seeing the problem but anything would help. Thanks.
Dolphin Joe the first thing that comes to mind is that standing patiently part as there should be signs right there that something is about to happen. I would wait to close the gate maybe and just watch. If something happened I would try to block it. If nothing happened then I would make like I'm about to close the gate and turn back. If something looks like it's going to happen then I would get the horse a bit busy, maybe by going back out and back in. My goal would be to have the horse more in tune with me and wondering what I want next. Horses rely on predictable and consistent behavior as thy have many of their own. I would be trying to turn that into what I want by providing inconsistency until the point that I'm ready to be consistent. Please let me know if that makes sense or not.
I understand. Thank you so much I'll work on this whenever I'm with him.
Sounds good. Let me know how it goes!
Hey Graeme I need some advice
What do I do if I wanna be a good horse back rider and a good horse trainer in the future
The simplest answer I can give you is to spend as much time with horses as you can. Observe. Think. Try. Learn from others as you go too. Make mistakes... fix 'em. That kind of thing :)
Do all these horses get to go on a trial ride on a regular basis i mean a out and about to see a different scenery? And especially your own horses. Do they have regular you riding them outside their comfort zone
Sometimes.
Any advice for doing this with a blind horse? Obviously I don't have the ability to use visual cues.
No personal experience, but if I think about it I would use touch and audible cues. I would have these cues really solid before going anywhere. Mostly things for stop/go/calm kind of thing and get the horse really solid with the lead rope cues. Probably consider carrying a flag.
I am working with a young three year old mare. We are trying to introduce her to new arenas so she can eventually be a show horse. What has worked so far is whenever she isn’t paying attention I back her up and go forward again. The problem is that the minute I go to the side of her (only in large open spaces or arena) she bolts and kicks almost like how she acts if she is being lunged. I don’t want her to become a danger to other people and horses. Do you have any tips?
I don’t think she is scared of the arena because she sniffed the ground and pooped. (If this helps)
Hi Darian. A horse that bolts and kicks is a horse in fear. While I'm not there to observe what exactly is happening or what is a common habit for training or her normal behaviours etc, I can say that the actions reflect likely fear. So.. you have to figure out how to make that horse feel safe. When safe they will just walk along with you like it's nothing. This starts with solid groundwork and having that horse understand that they need to connect up with you and watch your feet and movements. This takes time for sure. I would make sure I had it super solid in an arena that the horse is always worked in. I'm not sure what you mean by lunging, but if it's the usual long line lunging then I'd stop that immediately. We're looking for slow movements and any time you work with that horse it should be at half walk speed until that gets good. Slower if need be. There is an awful myth going around that you have to run a horse around and around to physically wear it out to get it to behave, this couldn't be farther from the truth. I NEVER lunge my horses and they all behave no matter how long they've been standing around waiting to do something or come out in the morning or whatever. It's the mind that needs working, we need the body to be able to respond most efficiently without being tired, so tiring them out is completely counterproductive. I would be curious of the feeding habits of the horse. I would make sure their tummy was full before working so that the acid in there doesn't bump up against any possible ulcers. Make them happy, safe and comfortable and set up every training session for the best success you can from that standpoint.
Thank you! Today I think I am going to do some ground work with her in the arena she is comfortable with. I got one of my friends who does natural horsemanship to come out and help me. I am thinking that she just needs a refresher on manners and groundwork, she did fine when I just got on her and walked her around the arena. She is a rescue so I don’t know exactly how she was treated or worked with in the past so it may just be something that her past owners did to her.
Sounds like a good place to start, good luck!
Stable Horse Training Thank you!
sometimes when I do this my horse jumps towards me aggressively. Do you think I should correct this or just leave it and go on?. When he does that I usually send him away and lunge him for like 40 seconds, then I let him think and when he's calm I go back to what we were doing. Would you say this is useful or no?
This is a tough one as I'm going to give you advice you've likely never heard before and you may not like.. But since you asked.
First is, NEVER EVER EVER EVER lunge again. Seriously. Ever. It has never in the history of time solved a problem, that's why people never stop doing it. Imagine doing an activity that you are dependent on to calm your horse or get it to stop attacking you? It's nuts that this habit has persevered in the horse world for so long.
The solution to your problem is to ask for space while asking the horse to stay with you. I know it's scary when they rear up, I just had a horse do that to me for half an hour the other day (not my horse), but the solution was never to send them away. Lunging is the exact same thing, you are sending them while keeping them tied to you.
A horse will jump towards you aggressively because it doesn't like you. It's that simple. It doesn't want to be around you, it wants you to stop what you're doing and is willing to risk it's health to do so. It's something to think on. What kind of situation would you need to be in where you'd risk your physical health to get out of?
Somehow you have to figure out how to convince that horse you are it's absolute best friend. When you get that done, your horse will NEVER do that again. Trust me. That's the key and driving a horse away is the perfect way to destroy that.
The thing is, he doesn't know what personal space is. He sticks to my side, stays right next to me wherever I am, always trying to interact with me or people in general, but he has no concept of personal space. He would simply run me over or stop with his feet at 1cm from mine, constantly reaching out with his head to nibble or interact in some way. He literally lays down and rolls on my feet. I need him to keep some sort of distance from me, and that's when he rears up.
@@elsss3125 yes he does. Do you find him doing that to another horse? Does he run over horses? Does he step on other horses? Once you stop blaming him for the problem you'll start searching for what you can do to make a change in his behaviors.
@@elsss3125 to put it simply, he doesn't know what your personal space is as you've never taught him. Get that done and keep him safe through the process and your problem will go away.
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This worked for me, but can't stop my horse neighing all time out riding on his own any answers
Just keep him as busy as you can, reassure and give trust kind of thing. In time it'll stop
Hi. What type of horse is it. Thank you
He's a quarter horse
@@StableHorseTraining His awesome .thank you for the response. Hello from Aus - Melb
You're very welcome and thanks for the compliment for him! He's a really cool horse
I'm doing this bit I make mine get further back ATM
further back is always safer
I just got a 14 year old mare who constantly gets away while anyone is leading her and so we might have to give her back if we can't train this outta her😕😔
That's hard. Mostly it's fear, so what you really want to do is create draw, safety and reassurance. Then the horse won't try to leave all the time. If the horse thinks it's better to be with you than away from you, it won't leave.
@@StableHorseTraining thank u
@@StableHorseTraining thank u
Curiosity: Is there a specific reason you like to lead from both sides, or is it personal preference? Another one of those old style ways that was pounded into me 50 years ago - You always lead on the left. But no one in 50 years has given me a reason why.
I tried to cover this briefly today in the live stream ua-cam.com/video/wnANFWkJFg8/v-deo.html but essentially I want my horses to be two sided. I've done a video on horses being one sided too, something you really really want to be careful about that a lot of people don't do.
@@StableHorseTraining What makes this interesting is that those of us who were trained for competition in the 1960s and 1970s had it literally pounded into us that everything had to approach our horses from the left side, whether it was tacking, saddling, or simply leading [you have no idea how badly a very proper female British coach can tear you up for not following that rule - the only thing that got a worst lecture was by providing any affection or approval by anything other that a pat on the shoulder, something we all ignored when not in lessons].
I know some of the riders I trained with are still active coaches [those who still can are all far too old for more than pleasure rides], and might still be teaching the same methods we were taught. I now wonder how many broke the mould and updated their practices.
Some horse cultures have been permeated by people who are really abusive. Sounds like you had one that was especially bad, I'm sorry to hear that, your experience with horses shouldn't have been that... Some people do still feel that way as it's all they know and have been taught, and for some it just doesn't occur to them to lead or do things on the other side because nobody else around them does it or talks about it.
@@StableHorseTraining That was the standard 50 years ago; and we were considered lucky to have been accepted by one of the best for training. Things have not changed that much: If you want shock value, check out the FEI show standards sometime. There is little to no difference from 1960.
I have... It's awful. The difference now is that there are many more people fighting it.