I feel like the reason they are having such a hard time coming up with good things is just because of man power. You see in the recent warriors den of how JP is so hyped to show off his new co-workers hard work and I applaud them all but it’s obvious how it could get messy with new people even if they’ve been there for 2 years. Especially when you consider some have been working for more than a decade!
Oh yes, that is almost deffinatly the case, but since it makes sense. The communitly would rather go "waaah waaah they dont care wahh they are ruining it" While being critical of the product you pay for is good. Alot of what i see in dc, reddit and youtube are people malding over non issues. So the real issues never get fixed
I hate when I enter a game with 2 bots on my team and enemy team with 1 (from the begining), and the game decides to put a player first on the enemy team while we have 2 literal punching bags dying in B zone (and probably only 1 of them will be replaced, what makes it easier to the enemy team to win teamfights, control points and get feats) Its even worse when those bots are not even replaced with players in the whole match or your team starts with 2 bots and the enemy team with none [Plus idea: They should put a "Watch all" or something in the hero select. I hate seeing that yellow thing everywhere just for emblems or colors, specially for the hero fests when you get for free the emblems of the hero in fest for EVERY HERO. Its not even that important but annoying]
Bro I feel you I remember playing a game of breach and someone leaves right away and I was like I just need to wait for someone to appear I can tell you that the whole game I had a bot that didn't do shit making all my teammates leave so I had to suffer because I don't want to wait 14 min for no fucking reason Or even worse when I enter a game of breach and the game is already in the second part but when I play and we have a bot the game doesn't give us a player it's so dumb and once more everyone just gets mad and leaves
Your idea exists allready. But its located somewhere else. Options->Interface->Nearly at the bottom you have an Option to remove all New Indicators. After it removed them, its turned off again.
When I quit playing this myself in 2021 I figured that this game is actually impossible to balance unless 1v1 and 4v4 get separate balancing. Balance it for 1v1 (more unreactable offense, fast bashes etc.) and 4v4 becomes a chaotic spamfest full of unreactable things surrounding you that you can't even fight against if they are coordinated well, but when you make 4v4 less of a chaotic spamfest, 1v1 becomes a staring contest, as it was in the early years because nobody dares to attack, since they will just get countered.
That is exactly the problem once the bash changes go live we will be back into gank meta but this time it’s nothing but unreactable bashes that 100-0 from cent and shino
It is difficult to balance, but not impossible. I think there should be heroes that are specialists in certain areas and doesn’t need to excel in everything. Make every hero unviable in someway, have some hero able to counter a different hero better. Make every hero unique in their play style instead of making 10 equally powerful and “viable” heroes. A perfect balance cannot exist for both 1v1s and 4v4s, but there are definitely methods to make the gameplay more varied and fun.
@@jameslawn6159 it’s because we already are fighting BP all the time because we can react to it anyways. Only now the reaction gods will also be fighting BP all the time with us since they aren’t able to react to it too
@ahhhsothisishowyouchangean162 I play highlander so I can just kick to grab bps alot I just find it really annouying to be bashed 5 times in a row and now we basically can't stop it luckily I play dom heavy so bashing isn't great in that
The biggest problem I have with the game right now is revenge. It feels like one of the most essential mechanics for a fun and balanced experience is completely outdated.
@@Ry777Ro Revenge is an outdated mechanic, whose core function is essential for a fun experience. Revenge is made for anti ganking, which can be very frustrating, yet it isn't able to fulfill its role, because it is outdated
@@spinnenmannderballernkann I don’t think it’s outdated mate, it just needs touching up, sometimes you get it when you shouldn’t and sometimes you should. The problem I think is bots or literal BOTS 😀 feeding it. It’s not revenge bro it’s the game overall
in the last of us multiplayer theres a "parties not allowed" option and a "parties allowed" option. so if u had a friend with you, were force to play with other people with friends. Also if you leave the game mid match ur supplies (aka currency) would take a massive hit and all ur settlers would get sick. for honor should do something like this tho the que time would be really long probably
@@dogma4590 I've had some heated moments as, despite the fact that I agree that the game is one of the best MP out there, it still has some flaws but overall I completely agree. It's such a good MP, no others can rival it.
the biggest nail in the coffin for me was the jorm rework. jorm was my comfort pick. i put 11 reps into him and no matter how my game went,i still enjoyed playing him. he felt in depth and difficult in a fun way. now jorm just feels both unrewarding and unskillful to play.
@@jtr4256 it went from a character that noobs can do well with against other noobs, but when you get into higher play you open your third eye and realize that jorm is a defensive hero. into a character that is just entirely based around feinting big attacks and just mashing to get reward. (hamar slam used to be the eagles talon jorm was built around, but now it does less damage than a finisher heavy, only accessible in the moveset via a super slow low range bash which cant be chained after a whiff, and now the feat that made it a really unique move lasts like 2 seconds so you dont even get reward for landing the move)
The problem was jorms design promoted stale gameplay by his bash only doing stam damage and his overall kit being meant for either ooga booga wall splat or ooga booga stam bully and he wasn't even the best at being stam bully because most the time you would get you and the other person to low stam which forced you and the opponent to sit there and regain stam so you both could actually do something. Unfortunately instead of making jorm work with his whole stam bully part of his kit they scrapped that and instead wanted a more viable kit of a bash opener that guarantees damage and a more throw 1 attack then throw a read chain kinda like kyoshin which yeah is more boring and takes less skill but the dev team only really cares about making characters more viable in teamfights and that's what they thought would make him viable
let's not forget that it has been 3 years if not more that Aramusha hasn't had any fast heavies and yet they dare say "fast attacks" in his description
@@jtr4256 that isn't fast at all it's basically the same speed as other infinites. and that is also not even close to enough to match a description at all.
@@Dinka_hit's not fake. He has one of the fastest dodge attacks in the game. He has 400ms light fients and faster than normal chain heavys. Also almost everything he has can infinitely chain.
I started playing again about a month and a half ago, after not playing since centurion was the newest character. I have to say, my experience has been far from this negative. I'm for sure just at average skill level so maybe these are issues more noticeable at high level. I tend to not really get a lot of leavers. Maybe one in five matches, and almost never the whole team? The feats also dont really feel like a gamebreaker to me, I dont see where you are coming from that. I always take the passive feats or health/shield feats anyways. Another thing I want to say is that there is a dominion tutorial. Not multiple levels, but one of the tutorial missions is literally playing a round of dominion. I dunno man, maybe I'm just not burnt out cause I haven't been playing for years, but I feel like if all you focus on is the negative you aren't going to see the positive.
I don’t blame people for leaving matches all the time, getting queued into games where your teammates are bad and lose every team fight makes the game incredibly unenjoyable.
It's so demoralizing knowing that there are so many issues with the game, from feats, to reworks, that these things never seem to get fixed or noticed, because they devs only care for comp play, but even that doesn't make sense as like you said, cents tier 3 is banned in pro play Plus the matchmaking being god awful really doesn't help the games case in being "fun" or "rewarding" It just hurts because as someone that's played FH since launch, I know that FH could be a good game, and be received really well, but with every passing update/change, they're going further away from that each time, like for example, we haven't had a new 4s map since Harbour, back when BP was released, you realise how bad that is? I pray that something good changes soon
Keeping interest going in a game, especially a live service one, is rough. I agree that the updates should definitely be better, but I feel like all of these issues come from three main sources. 1: The dev team is not as "hardcore" as their dedicated players are. Gonna be real, in my experience, a lot of the people they're looking at to bring in are people who just did an eight hour shift and want to play a videogame. They're gonna play maybe five games, either because that's all the time they have or because real life stuff comes up and they need to bow out. They're not gonna figure out optimal gank setups; most probably won't even play with friends. 2: Balance is fucked because of the roster. I remember at launch, when there were a total of 12 characters, and balance was ALREADY an issue. Now, we've got so much DLC that I have to google who the OGs were. But releasing new characters gives people a reason to pick up the game. Don't like Knights, Vikings, or Samurai? Here's a group of Chinese Warriors. Don't like them? Here's a Pirate, here's an Egyptian Warrior, here's an Aztec Warrior, here's an Arabian Scholar; stuff the community has been BEGGING for, for years. More characters = harder balance because there's more stuff to look over and test. Changing damage values should be easy, so there has to be another reason it's not getting done. Boss saying no? Corporate saying no? No clue. 3: Making and releasing new content so players spend money on Steel. What gets the most hype? Badass customization options and new heroes. Executions, emotes, skins, outfits; that's the bread and butter of this game. That's what they hype up to get people who haven't been playing to buy the game or come back for a bit. If the game managed to become as balanced as it could be, and everyone loved the combat, gamers would still find a way to optimize their fun and diminish the enjoyment for new players on virtue of the learning curve alone. What happens when someone really likes Warden, and they hit the skill ceiling for Warden, but then are told they can never be good as an S-Tier, because those players had to work harder to learn that particular hero? Guess that player has to give up Warden if they don't wanna lose everytime they face an S-Tier. Who's gonna put up with that? I agree with all your points, though. These updates should be better. The dev team should add more dedicated and skilled players to it who can offer proper input on game balance. The quality should all be higher, but For Honor was designed to make money as a live service game, even from day one. Before the original mind behind the game got sacked, there was hope for gameplay heavy enjoyers to carve a permanent home out of this game. I'm no game dev, but it's a job that these folks get paid for, and the amount of money For Honor rakes in might just not be worth the upgrade cost. Like you said, the game is 7 Years old, and Ubi doesn't have the reputation of being a good game company. They're like...C-Tier, to most. I'm gonna eat up that Monkey King Shaolin skin though; holy baubles.
I often times have my teammates just watch me get ganked in dominion. Its fucking infuriating. Ill be fighting three people and the other person will just watch me get my shit kicked in
2:30 I would like to point out that people leaving isnt only caused by them losing, what if their power went out, what if they work a type of job where they call they go, all though you are correct that people do leave cuz there losing but there are several other reasons to why they might leave
My WiFi disconnecting and it giving me a matchmaking penalty is just an easy excuse for me to play another game rather them doing a huge steel penalty rather than a matchmake timer ban
@el_slander not to mention the fact that in the for honor development team they have a hema practitioner and yet warden still lacks versatility the giy even said it in the stream
I really appreciate the way you speak up about the problems this game has. I love For Honor but it’s not perfect by any means. More people should be speaking about that
Honestly I was playing this game for a long time. I looked forward to each new hero and was excited to see what they would be like. When heroes were unique and different play styles. The skill needed to play was awesome and rewarding for people that could get it. I miss the differences that each character had. I understand that preccu was not the greatest but it still felt great to counter whatever bs was thrown at you and come out on top. Even then the bs wasn’t that bad because it you had good reactions you could win the spam. It was more skill based then. And the ccu hit and changed everything. I was annoyed with this but I thought it would help the game and it did. Then marching fire hit and the updates went downhill from there. I loved the way lawbro get played then because he was under powered. It felt rewarding to win with him. After the update and all other reworks it feels like the heroes get to be more and more like the same dude with a different skin. It has just been saddening to play lately because before the ccu I remember when people stayed till the end most of the time to get that sought after clutch moment. Now people leave after the first fight is lost. This games path has been genuinely upsetting and continued to disappoint and under perform with updates. I loved this game only to watch it slowly get poisoned to death while I watched.
Feats should compliment a heroes playstyle. For example give a certain move in the heroes moveset a small buff or something like that. Nothing big but something nice to have. Another problem that For Honor has is that characters have too little defining traits. The heroes are just boring and the last few reworks and new heroes have not been a improvement. There are a few exceptions like shaman and pk with their bleed mechanic or Nuxia with her traps and Shaolin and Highlander with their stances. But having like 5 or 6 unique heroes out of like 30 is just too little.
thing that really kills this game for me are the ppl that try and tell me "stop complaining just dont play the game if you dont like it" whenever i or someone else legitimate criticism abt the game
True the for honor community is just as delusional as the dead by daylight community. Games full of people with the IQ of a beanbag chair. For honors downfalls really comes down to trying to makes the game esport competitive while trying to “balance” ( I use that word loosely) a combat system that hadn’t been seen or done in a fighting game before. They fucked up when they tried to make every character “viable” when they have class base characters: assassins, heavy, vanguard, etc. the ccu update is controversial too personally I think it’s was a bit of a mix bag of garbage and gold because it lowered the skill gap a lot so it’s hard to tell if you’re winning or losing to someone with game sense and experience vs someone who’s just mashing buttons on a character with a ridiculous kit. I stopped playing because this game started to get repetitive as hell and doesn’t offer any kind of reward system to work towards or having any real content to be excited about. Covid kinda plays a part into some of the heros that are on the game but idk it’s been about 6 months since I played and it’s been a very healthy detox and playing games that I can actually feel engaged in for both competitive and fun experiences. For honor isn’t bad of a game but you just have to call it quits if you just get on and mindlessly play without really enjoying the state of the game.
Yall forget that ubisoft literally is taking the money for honor makes and distributing it to other area's (for NO reason) and had laid off around 700 staff members in 1 year. With a net loss of 500 million euro's in the past year alone. Ubisoft isn't ignoring for honor, its just a crumbling company because they had to fire alot of their important staff.
For Honor is my favorite game that I don't play, but I want to play. I boot it up, then realize why I stopped after a few games. You didn't say anything about the community, toxicity is not enough to describe most my interaction with people, with a sprinkle of wholesome interactions, mostly in 1v1 duels though. Dominion is actual cancer, even from your own teammates. They can do so much with this game and they either can't or refuse to, I know Ubisoft is struggling right now, and I think they only reason they haven't stopped support for this game is because Ubisoft really doesn't have much going for them.
Rotating In itself is infuriating if your foes know how to “juggle” you. Essentially two enemy players fight you like one enamy unit: you reduce one to half hp, his full hp ally swaps in and the other guy rolls away to heal/ intervene when he goes to quarter hp. Despite slandorus moaning and bitching about projectile feats, I would not have to use them if people wouldn’t just fuck off as soon as a gank is going slightly south for them to a healing point. It’s so hard trying to anti gank when the renown you need to get feats is locked behind renown, renown they get to control via rotating with no punishment other then losing a point possibly. It’s happens to me weekly to the point I’ve done a 180 on projectiles as a I need to punish the swap. Also Afeera, orochi and nobushi having the ability to “read a read” is absolute cancer to characters who cannot compete with the amount of shit they can react to, playing Highlander against nobushi feels so lop sided in her favor because she could see that you made a read like her kick for example, say “lol I got more moves I can do” and just side doge attack it. Actual bullshit.
The first issue is laughably horrible in Breach. One time all of my team left in the first 3 minutes, so it was me and the rest of the bots getting crushed for the next ten minutes
Every time i've quit the game it's because i have responsibilities outside of the game, not because i want to quit or am losing (though they might overlap) but if the kids are breaking shit, that's more important to deal with than the game. Not to mention it kicks you if you spend 1 minute or more idle
This game gives me depression the fact that im paired with the most brain dead team and when they get on the other team they suddenly get so good. Im matched with the most high skilled players and then i get shit on and get messages telling me that I suck ass.
2:28 Quitting early isn’t always because we’re losing, you ought to be honest in this. Sometimes something comes up out signal is lost. The game doesn’t tell us that they lost signal, but we ALL KNOW it happens.
alot of these changes would take months of work to implement (no content for MONTHS for a single update that isn't major and is a rework to an already existing system) and would end up making people mad. Imagine waiting 7 months for a patch that helps reduce the amount of people leaving matches? Then the next one is more bug fixes and foundational reworks to the internal software instead of actual content. The issue is that its a 7 year old game and probably has as much if not more spaghetti code than tf2 and atleast tf2 has community access, for honor aint got jack. And it probably should allow community made maps in a seperate section (who else agree's)
Also just FYI- There is no real punishment for leaving. not even the 15 min timer.... If you Alt-Tab and END TASK on Task Manager you get no punishments. you can do this infinitely
Okay saying people quitting is a problem is fair, but to say dominion is ranked is stupid. Saying random teammates are monkeying for kills isn’t a criticism, even with tutorials people are gonna say that’s dumb. What it sounds like is you want the entire team to be coordinated but want to complain when the enemy team is more coordinated? 4 stacks fight 4 stacks. Also imagine complaining that other characters should be INHERENTLY worse than others. Get good and practice against other people. Warden is one of the best in duels and in dominion, he has only a couple mixups but if you want to play someone who does that (you have the right to) it also makes it simple to be learned in a fight vs someone who has more tools in their kit. Stop complaining about characters that you PERSONALLY don’t find fun, the casual players are having a good time. Just because you don’t like warlord doesn’t mean others don’t. Your only W opinions are quality of life changes, and Afeera needing a change. Making a skill ceiling too high or hard to pick up discourages new players. Feats are meant to be cool moments you do something sick. Some tweaks are needed but a lot of your complaints are personal. Not everyone agrees with the same stuff meaning it’s hard to balance. Not to mention 1v1s vs 4v4 or even breach to dominion.
Quit for honor almost a year ago, it was strictly due to matchmaking. The matchmaking was draining my sanity. Either the enemy team was horrible to the point of being boring or coordinated to the point of being infuriating. Teammates worse than level one bots. Lawbringer was my favorite hero and after hoping for years that they would make him fun, they just ruined him.
Idk if you’ve seen breach but holy shit. I’m starting to think most people don’t know how to play the second phase because they all leave the first phase so often. Closing application is a serious thing on console everyone does it since it doesn’t count. The problem is you’ll always get bad team mates. Now what I disagree with as a cent and afera main they both get really solid damage. Aferas heavy should be like 8 damage tbh. Cents wall splat with two punches and the extra damage from the throw since the throw it’s self triggers haymaker again brings out to 45 I think and he still gets into his chain. Also his tier one punch is not gb punishable off a heavy from him hitting your guard.
Fun fact: Even if you leave a Breach match and get the 15 min matchmaking penalty, you can still just go play ranked duels for a bit bc for whatever reason the penalty doesn’t apply to that lmao
i agree harsher punishments are needed for leaving but they can't take people's steel away as its a purchasable currency. I personally don't spend money on steel but if someone does ubi doesn't have the right to take their money because they play in a way that displeases people.
I think for honor could really use some new maps and like more permanent game modes, i love to play modes like the 2v2 but the respawn has timers. New characters can be hype, but nothing hyped me up about ocelot or whatever, i think maps and game modes would make me stay
I started playing like a week ago and playing 4v4 for only 4 days and I noticed almost all the points you make. Match making is really a mess. When it says I'm better than my team mates and worse than my opponents we pretty much always crush the opposing team. When it says I'm better than the opponents and worse than my team mates, my team mates keep rushing into certain death situations over and over again. When we finally manage to outnumber them, they keep feeding revenge and make it worse than being outnumbered.
Ubisoft has a monopoly on this game genre. Usually monopolies end up way way worse than this. Obviously its still kind of bad but they clearly dont listen to us or play their own game
I think you punish people by not playing for an hour(not 15 minutes) would get a better response than taking steel. What do you do when someone doesn’t have any steel to take? Plus, I would like them to rework some feats as well.
@@Pow3rsprunk maybe a 25 percent xp and steel gain penalty for an hour and if you keep quitting it goes up an hour every time, and this would reset every week or month. i feel a system like that would help
@@disparu6007 And on PC you can just DC internet. Just start sending people on 2 week vacation from breach everytime they quit and it will fix the issue. Id rather wait 10 min for game then waste 30 with fools that push/outpush ram rather then fighting for objective of the game that is rampart and flag.
Just passed 2 weeks of play. i've had a really, REALLY bad stretch recently. Like, consistently going 2-8 and such. Matchmaking is still putting me against rep 200+players, i'm rep 8 lol
I agree , but the changes your suggesting require extra effort, and we’re talking about Ubisoft, so it might be a while before even one of these things happen
I know quitting is a problem But when in five matches I have teammates that doesn't stay together after 3 minutes of getting ranked, I think I wanna have the chance of not loosing my time in a loss match
Well for my games, it’s usually if I or my friend and I both don’t carry and play dam near perfectly nearly each game, we just lose. It sucks to have to work that hard almost every game but it does also feel good when it works out. We’ve won 2v4. I’ve won 1v4. We’ve brought back entire games from breaking and still somehow managed to win. Our teammates leave and we won’t get a new one while the enemy team will immediately get a replacement. I guess that’s just our relationship with for honor lol. Love hate relationship
In Xbox and I’m sure it’s the same in any device, I just have to close the game in it negates the 15 minute penalty. I personally don’t use it unless I get a 4 jormen match up lol but I think they need a penalty for lots more things
LMAO, a few problems ? Lawbringer's forward dodge heavy has been in the game since forever. It isn't a new thing. Matter of fact they broke it with the rework, despite finally putting it as a move on the character's move list. Also Lawbringer's wall splat heavy damage is 21 because of the 3 hit stun rule, not only do you waste more stamina to do what the rest of the cast gets for granted you also deal less damage. They did not address his openers, his combos after a light are still atrocious, his zone is still 700ms instead of 600ms for some reason. This what 7 years of experience on a game looks like. Let's see how they are gonna massacre the HIghlander rework.
1.) I get it. 2.) You're taking the game too seriously. It's a comedy game; always has been. Enjoy it as such like I do. 3.) For Honor is full of actual children. The majority of quitters are those children.
If anything they need to increase the amount of steel you receive overall in 4v4 and bounties and give you penalty like 1h of no steel after games on top of 15min penalty Just opinion: feats should all be passive’s cuz them off screen 50+ dmg are really boring and kai being kai
Honestly replacing bots/joining mid match in this game needs a overhaul. You see how other games allow for them to be replaced WAY later in the game yet FH can’t do it? They can easily find people too, after a match has been completed it is immediately filled yet they can’t do it after 500 points in game have been won?
People are also really bad at dominion in general. The number of times I hold minion land and 1 point. At this time there is no reason to go to the other teams point and you should defend but people just have to go to the point they don't have and die and we lose everything. They people leave.
1 thing that needs to change is the fact that when you get kicked from ranked matches for server reasons you can still get penalized from it by losing rank progression, in my opinion that's just stupid you get kicked from the game for Server reasons so you lose a rank because it thinks you quit the match, it's stupid
Steel generation outside of 4v4’s is still laughably small
yeah I wish i could just play brawls but i will never get anything
imagine spending steel
@@dubstepaztec3573 Just Save it up. Who knows what might happen?
Still not great in 4s either best way is doing orders
@@dubstepaztec3573Bruh i only play for the fashion
Mfw the enemy whose direct order is to oppose my victory, decided to act against my goals (an unforseen complication, i must rage quit.)
I feel like the reason they are having such a hard time coming up with good things is just because of man power. You see in the recent warriors den of how JP is so hyped to show off his new co-workers hard work and I applaud them all but it’s obvious how it could get messy with new people even if they’ve been there for 2 years. Especially when you consider some have been working for more than a decade!
Oh yes, that is almost deffinatly the case, but since it makes sense. The communitly would rather go "waaah waaah they dont care wahh they are ruining it"
While being critical of the product you pay for is good. Alot of what i see in dc, reddit and youtube are people malding over non issues. So the real issues never get fixed
This doesn't explain how incredibly idiotic their reworks are. More people wouldn't suddenly make the director better
@@jarl_filip2617
For honor dev crying 😂😂😂😂
I hate when I enter a game with 2 bots on my team and enemy team with 1 (from the begining), and the game decides to put a player first on the enemy team while we have 2 literal punching bags dying in B zone (and probably only 1 of them will be replaced, what makes it easier to the enemy team to win teamfights, control points and get feats)
Its even worse when those bots are not even replaced with players in the whole match or your team starts with 2 bots and the enemy team with none
[Plus idea: They should put a "Watch all" or something in the hero select. I hate seeing that yellow thing everywhere just for emblems or colors, specially for the hero fests when you get for free the emblems of the hero in fest for EVERY HERO. Its not even that important but annoying]
Bro I feel you I remember playing a game of breach and someone leaves right away and I was like I just need to wait for someone to appear I can tell you that the whole game I had a bot that didn't do shit making all my teammates leave so I had to suffer because I don't want to wait 14 min for no fucking reason
Or even worse when I enter a game of breach and the game is already in the second part but when I play and we have a bot the game doesn't give us a player it's so dumb and once more everyone just gets mad and leaves
Your idea exists allready. But its located somewhere else.
Options->Interface->Nearly at the bottom you have an Option to remove all New Indicators. After it removed them, its turned off again.
When I quit playing this myself in 2021 I figured that this game is actually impossible to balance unless 1v1 and 4v4 get separate balancing. Balance it for 1v1 (more unreactable offense, fast bashes etc.) and 4v4 becomes a chaotic spamfest full of unreactable things surrounding you that you can't even fight against if they are coordinated well, but when you make 4v4 less of a chaotic spamfest, 1v1 becomes a staring contest, as it was in the early years because nobody dares to attack, since they will just get countered.
That is exactly the problem once the bash changes go live we will be back into gank meta but this time it’s nothing but unreactable bashes that 100-0 from cent and shino
It is difficult to balance, but not impossible. I think there should be heroes that are specialists in certain areas and doesn’t need to excel in everything. Make every hero unviable in someway, have some hero able to counter a different hero better. Make every hero unique in their play style instead of making 10 equally powerful and “viable” heroes. A perfect balance cannot exist for both 1v1s and 4v4s, but there are definitely methods to make the gameplay more varied and fun.
Idk why people want this bash update its gonna be like fighting bp all the time
@@jameslawn6159 it’s because we already are fighting BP all the time because we can react to it anyways. Only now the reaction gods will also be fighting BP all the time with us since they aren’t able to react to it too
@ahhhsothisishowyouchangean162 I play highlander so I can just kick to grab bps alot I just find it really annouying to be bashed 5 times in a row and now we basically can't stop it luckily I play dom heavy so bashing isn't great in that
The biggest problem I have with the game right now is revenge. It feels like one of the most essential mechanics for a fun and balanced experience is completely outdated.
What are you saying ? Revenge is outdated or essential ? One or the other
@@Ry777Ro Revenge is an outdated mechanic, whose core function is essential for a fun experience. Revenge is made for anti ganking, which can be very frustrating, yet it isn't able to fulfill its role, because it is outdated
@@spinnenmannderballernkann I don’t think it’s outdated mate, it just needs touching up, sometimes you get it when you shouldn’t and sometimes you should. The problem I think is bots or literal BOTS 😀 feeding it. It’s not revenge bro it’s the game overall
in the last of us multiplayer theres a "parties not allowed" option and a "parties allowed" option. so if u had a friend with you, were force to play with other people with friends. Also if you leave the game mid match ur supplies (aka currency) would take a massive hit and all ur settlers would get sick. for honor should do something like this tho the que time would be really long probably
also leaving makes no sense in my mind bc u still get a fair amount of xp even if u get stomped
Im surprised to see a TLOU faction player here but it's a good surprise, and a good idea imo
@@hiroelite8943 fr tlou is the greatest multiplayer experience ive had not a dull or ragey moment
@@dogma4590 I've had some heated moments as, despite the fact that I agree that the game is one of the best MP out there, it still has some flaws but overall I completely agree. It's such a good MP, no others can rival it.
@@hiroelite8943 yeah fr, i agree the burst rifle and tac shotgun is pretty annoying lol
the biggest nail in the coffin for me was the jorm rework. jorm was my comfort pick. i put 11 reps into him and no matter how my game went,i still enjoyed playing him. he felt in depth and difficult in a fun way. now jorm just feels both unrewarding and unskillful to play.
You could bounce your controller off the head of the nearest infant and get a double kill with current Jorm it feels like.
@@jtr4256 it went from a character that noobs can do well with against other noobs, but when you get into higher play you open your third eye and realize that jorm is a defensive hero. into a character that is just entirely based around feinting big attacks and just mashing to get reward. (hamar slam used to be the eagles talon jorm was built around, but now it does less damage than a finisher heavy, only accessible in the moveset via a super slow low range bash which cant be chained after a whiff, and now the feat that made it a really unique move lasts like 2 seconds so you dont even get reward for landing the move)
Idk, old jorm felt kinda cowardly and straightforward
Old jorm was just garbage and annoying lol, wtf are you talkig abouts
The problem was jorms design promoted stale gameplay by his bash only doing stam damage and his overall kit being meant for either ooga booga wall splat or ooga booga stam bully and he wasn't even the best at being stam bully because most the time you would get you and the other person to low stam which forced you and the opponent to sit there and regain stam so you both could actually do something.
Unfortunately instead of making jorm work with his whole stam bully part of his kit they scrapped that and instead wanted a more viable kit of a bash opener that guarantees damage and a more throw 1 attack then throw a read chain kinda like kyoshin which yeah is more boring and takes less skill but the dev team only really cares about making characters more viable in teamfights and that's what they thought would make him viable
let's not forget that it has been 3 years if not more that Aramusha hasn't had any fast heavies and yet they dare say "fast attacks" in his description
Aramusha infinite chain heavies are pretty fast considering they're heavies, and lets not act like the character descriptions mean anything anyways.
@@jtr4256 that isn't fast at all it's basically the same speed as other infinites. and that is also not even close to enough to match a description at all.
I'll be honest, this is the most pointless nitpick in For Honor.
@jtr4256 ay man all I'm sayin is that they could just remove that fake description
@@Dinka_hit's not fake.
He has one of the fastest dodge attacks in the game. He has 400ms light fients and faster than normal chain heavys. Also almost everything he has can infinitely chain.
i would like ubi to give for honor new devs and a real budget we need ubi to care like when the wu lin came out was the last time ubi themselves care.
Bro said a steal penalty? That shit is already on by default.
I started playing again about a month and a half ago, after not playing since centurion was the newest character. I have to say, my experience has been far from this negative. I'm for sure just at average skill level so maybe these are issues more noticeable at high level. I tend to not really get a lot of leavers. Maybe one in five matches, and almost never the whole team? The feats also dont really feel like a gamebreaker to me, I dont see where you are coming from that. I always take the passive feats or health/shield feats anyways. Another thing I want to say is that there is a dominion tutorial. Not multiple levels, but one of the tutorial missions is literally playing a round of dominion. I dunno man, maybe I'm just not burnt out cause I haven't been playing for years, but I feel like if all you focus on is the negative you aren't going to see the positive.
This is why I really really want a ranked 4v4 mode so most of the really good try hards can go there and matchmaking can be free for casuals
Excellent idea
I don’t blame people for leaving matches all the time, getting queued into games where your teammates are bad and lose every team fight makes the game incredibly unenjoyable.
Except the ones who leave are usually the ones getting whooped in the first place
Just for the record we don't complain about the game because we don't like it, we do it because we love the game and we don't to see it go to hell
It's so demoralizing knowing that there are so many issues with the game, from feats, to reworks, that these things never seem to get fixed or noticed, because they devs only care for comp play, but even that doesn't make sense as like you said, cents tier 3 is banned in pro play
Plus the matchmaking being god awful really doesn't help the games case in being "fun" or "rewarding"
It just hurts because as someone that's played FH since launch, I know that FH could be a good game, and be received really well, but with every passing update/change, they're going further away from that each time, like for example, we haven't had a new 4s map since Harbour, back when BP was released, you realise how bad that is? I pray that something good changes soon
Keeping interest going in a game, especially a live service one, is rough. I agree that the updates should definitely be better, but I feel like all of these issues come from three main sources.
1: The dev team is not as "hardcore" as their dedicated players are. Gonna be real, in my experience, a lot of the people they're looking at to bring in are people who just did an eight hour shift and want to play a videogame. They're gonna play maybe five games, either because that's all the time they have or because real life stuff comes up and they need to bow out. They're not gonna figure out optimal gank setups; most probably won't even play with friends.
2: Balance is fucked because of the roster. I remember at launch, when there were a total of 12 characters, and balance was ALREADY an issue. Now, we've got so much DLC that I have to google who the OGs were. But releasing new characters gives people a reason to pick up the game. Don't like Knights, Vikings, or Samurai? Here's a group of Chinese Warriors. Don't like them? Here's a Pirate, here's an Egyptian Warrior, here's an Aztec Warrior, here's an Arabian Scholar; stuff the community has been BEGGING for, for years. More characters = harder balance because there's more stuff to look over and test. Changing damage values should be easy, so there has to be another reason it's not getting done. Boss saying no? Corporate saying no? No clue.
3: Making and releasing new content so players spend money on Steel. What gets the most hype? Badass customization options and new heroes. Executions, emotes, skins, outfits; that's the bread and butter of this game. That's what they hype up to get people who haven't been playing to buy the game or come back for a bit. If the game managed to become as balanced as it could be, and everyone loved the combat, gamers would still find a way to optimize their fun and diminish the enjoyment for new players on virtue of the learning curve alone. What happens when someone really likes Warden, and they hit the skill ceiling for Warden, but then are told they can never be good as an S-Tier, because those players had to work harder to learn that particular hero? Guess that player has to give up Warden if they don't wanna lose everytime they face an S-Tier. Who's gonna put up with that?
I agree with all your points, though. These updates should be better. The dev team should add more dedicated and skilled players to it who can offer proper input on game balance. The quality should all be higher, but For Honor was designed to make money as a live service game, even from day one. Before the original mind behind the game got sacked, there was hope for gameplay heavy enjoyers to carve a permanent home out of this game. I'm no game dev, but it's a job that these folks get paid for, and the amount of money For Honor rakes in might just not be worth the upgrade cost. Like you said, the game is 7 Years old, and Ubi doesn't have the reputation of being a good game company. They're like...C-Tier, to most. I'm gonna eat up that Monkey King Shaolin skin though; holy baubles.
I often times have my teammates just watch me get ganked in dominion. Its fucking infuriating. Ill be fighting three people and the other person will just watch me get my shit kicked in
2:30 I would like to point out that people leaving isnt only caused by them losing, what if their power went out, what if they work a type of job where they call they go, all though you are correct that people do leave cuz there losing but there are several other reasons to why they might leave
It's prolly 95% the reason they leave is cause they are getting sh it on thats just how fighting games are its not the only game that has this problem
My WiFi disconnecting and it giving me a matchmaking penalty is just an easy excuse for me to play another game rather them doing a huge steel penalty rather than a matchmake timer ban
@el_slander not to mention the fact that in the for honor development team they have a hema practitioner and yet warden still lacks versatility the giy even said it in the stream
I really appreciate the way you speak up about the problems this game has. I love For Honor but it’s not perfect by any means. More people should be speaking about that
1:13 this is very true on console since all you have to do is close the application and then you get no penalty for leaving👍
Id love to see a mode with 5v5 or 8v8 or something could be neat
more steel from non 4v4s
Them being stingy with steel passes me off beyond belief
Honestly I was playing this game for a long time. I looked forward to each new hero and was excited to see what they would be like. When heroes were unique and different play styles. The skill needed to play was awesome and rewarding for people that could get it. I miss the differences that each character had. I understand that preccu was not the greatest but it still felt great to counter whatever bs was thrown at you and come out on top. Even then the bs wasn’t that bad because it you had good reactions you could win the spam. It was more skill based then. And the ccu hit and changed everything. I was annoyed with this but I thought it would help the game and it did. Then marching fire hit and the updates went downhill from there. I loved the way lawbro get played then because he was under powered. It felt rewarding to win with him. After the update and all other reworks it feels like the heroes get to be more and more like the same dude with a different skin. It has just been saddening to play lately because before the ccu I remember when people stayed till the end most of the time to get that sought after clutch moment. Now people leave after the first fight is lost. This games path has been genuinely upsetting and continued to disappoint and under perform with updates. I loved this game only to watch it slowly get poisoned to death while I watched.
I’ve been wanting a filter for literal years and it could 100% done and implemented in under a week
Feats should compliment a heroes playstyle. For example give a certain move in the heroes moveset a small buff or something like that. Nothing big but something nice to have. Another problem that For Honor has is that characters have too little defining traits. The heroes are just boring and the last few reworks and new heroes have not been a improvement. There are a few exceptions like shaman and pk with their bleed mechanic or Nuxia with her traps and Shaolin and Highlander with their stances. But having like 5 or 6 unique heroes out of like 30 is just too little.
thing that really kills this game for me are the ppl that try and tell me "stop complaining just dont play the game if you dont like it" whenever i or someone else legitimate criticism abt the game
You see that in any fandom ever
True the for honor community is just as delusional as the dead by daylight community. Games full of people with the IQ of a beanbag chair. For honors downfalls really comes down to trying to makes the game esport competitive while trying to “balance” ( I use that word loosely) a combat system that hadn’t been seen or done in a fighting game before.
They fucked up when they tried to make every character “viable” when they have class base characters: assassins, heavy, vanguard, etc. the ccu update is controversial too personally I think it’s was a bit of a mix bag of garbage and gold because it lowered the skill gap a lot so it’s hard to tell if you’re winning or losing to someone with game sense and experience vs someone who’s just mashing buttons on a character with a ridiculous kit.
I stopped playing because this game started to get repetitive as hell and doesn’t offer any kind of reward system to work towards or having any real content to be excited about. Covid kinda plays a part into some of the heros that are on the game but idk it’s been about 6 months since I played and it’s been a very healthy detox and playing games that I can actually feel engaged in for both competitive and fun experiences.
For honor isn’t bad of a game but you just have to call it quits if you just get on and mindlessly play without really enjoying the state of the game.
@@el_slender yea ofc but their voices seem way more apparent on fh compared to anything else ive played
the thing with the penalty is that u can doge it on ps4 by closing the game so they only have to wait the loading screen
I still get disconnected from this game all the time. Not quitting out servers are ass
dont forget on console if they just close the game and re open it they get no penalty at all
Yall forget that ubisoft literally is taking the money for honor makes and distributing it to other area's (for NO reason) and had laid off around 700 staff members in 1 year. With a net loss of 500 million euro's in the past year alone.
Ubisoft isn't ignoring for honor, its just a crumbling company because they had to fire alot of their important staff.
For Honor is my favorite game that I don't play, but I want to play. I boot it up, then realize why I stopped after a few games. You didn't say anything about the community, toxicity is not enough to describe most my interaction with people, with a sprinkle of wholesome interactions, mostly in 1v1 duels though. Dominion is actual cancer, even from your own teammates. They can do so much with this game and they either can't or refuse to, I know Ubisoft is struggling right now, and I think they only reason they haven't stopped support for this game is because Ubisoft really doesn't have much going for them.
wake up babe, slanderous dropped
Rotating In itself is infuriating if your foes know how to “juggle” you.
Essentially two enemy players fight you like one enamy unit: you reduce one to half hp, his full hp ally swaps in and the other guy rolls away to heal/ intervene when he goes to quarter hp.
Despite slandorus moaning and bitching about projectile feats, I would not have to use them if people wouldn’t just fuck off as soon as a gank is going slightly south for them to a healing point. It’s so hard trying to anti gank when the renown you need to get feats is locked behind renown, renown they get to control via rotating with no punishment other then losing a point possibly. It’s happens to me weekly to the point I’ve done a 180 on projectiles as a I need to punish the swap.
Also Afeera, orochi and nobushi having the ability to “read a read” is absolute cancer to characters who cannot compete with the amount of shit they can react to, playing Highlander against nobushi feels so lop sided in her favor because she could see that you made a read like her kick for example, say “lol I got more moves I can do” and just side doge attack it. Actual bullshit.
Slanderous should make a tierlist on most breedable for honor content crearors using ai voices
ALSO THERE ARE SOMETIMES THAT ERROR FOR DISCONNECT DOSN'T SHOW UP AND I GET PENALTY. I HAVE TO WAIT FOR 15 MINS FOR NO REASON.
Honestly everything what you just explained is very relatable
Man the first point of people leaving at the slightest opposition.. Its so fucking true.
The first issue is laughably horrible in Breach. One time all of my team left in the first 3 minutes, so it was me and the rest of the bots getting crushed for the next ten minutes
Every time i've quit the game it's because i have responsibilities outside of the game, not because i want to quit or am losing (though they might overlap) but if the kids are breaking shit, that's more important to deal with than the game. Not to mention it kicks you if you spend 1 minute or more idle
When you do Solo queue you gotta accept fate 💀
This game gives me depression the fact that im paired with the most brain dead team and when they get on the other team they suddenly get so good.
Im matched with the most high skilled players and then i get shit on and get messages telling me that I suck ass.
2:28 Quitting early isn’t always because we’re losing, you ought to be honest in this. Sometimes something comes up out signal is lost. The game doesn’t tell us that they lost signal, but we ALL KNOW it happens.
alot of these changes would take months of work to implement (no content for MONTHS for a single update that isn't major and is a rework to an already existing system) and would end up making people mad.
Imagine waiting 7 months for a patch that helps reduce the amount of people leaving matches? Then the next one is more bug fixes and foundational reworks to the internal software instead of actual content.
The issue is that its a 7 year old game and probably has as much if not more spaghetti code than tf2 and atleast tf2 has community access, for honor aint got jack. And it probably should allow community made maps in a seperate section (who else agree's)
I haven’t played in 3 weeks straight. Feels good 👍
Also just FYI-
There is no real punishment for leaving. not even the 15 min timer....
If you Alt-Tab and END TASK on Task Manager you get no punishments. you can do this infinitely
Okay saying people quitting is a problem is fair, but to say dominion is ranked is stupid. Saying random teammates are monkeying for kills isn’t a criticism, even with tutorials people are gonna say that’s dumb. What it sounds like is you want the entire team to be coordinated but want to complain when the enemy team is more coordinated? 4 stacks fight 4 stacks.
Also imagine complaining that other characters should be INHERENTLY worse than others. Get good and practice against other people. Warden is one of the best in duels and in dominion, he has only a couple mixups but if you want to play someone who does that (you have the right to) it also makes it simple to be learned in a fight vs someone who has more tools in their kit.
Stop complaining about characters that you PERSONALLY don’t find fun, the casual players are having a good time. Just because you don’t like warlord doesn’t mean others don’t.
Your only W opinions are quality of life changes, and Afeera needing a change. Making a skill ceiling too high or hard to pick up discourages new players. Feats are meant to be cool moments you do something sick. Some tweaks are needed but a lot of your complaints are personal. Not everyone agrees with the same stuff meaning it’s hard to balance. Not to mention 1v1s vs 4v4 or even breach to dominion.
Im SOOOO down with a steel penalty
Remember when they made the end of match time way shorter and still messed it up. I bet a filter will still not work as intended
Are they even ever going to release the hl rework?
The only reason I still play this game coz there's no other game like it.
So every multiplayer game?
Quit for honor almost a year ago, it was strictly due to matchmaking. The matchmaking was draining my sanity. Either the enemy team was horrible to the point of being boring or coordinated to the point of being infuriating. Teammates worse than level one bots. Lawbringer was my favorite hero and after hoping for years that they would make him fun, they just ruined him.
We need proximity chat.
Idk if you’ve seen breach but holy shit. I’m starting to think most people don’t know how to play the second phase because they all leave the first phase so often. Closing application is a serious thing on console everyone does it since it doesn’t count. The problem is you’ll always get bad team mates.
Now what I disagree with as a cent and afera main they both get really solid damage. Aferas heavy should be like 8 damage tbh. Cents wall splat with two punches and the extra damage from the throw since the throw it’s self triggers haymaker again brings out to 45 I think and he still gets into his chain. Also his tier one punch is not gb punishable off a heavy from him hitting your guard.
The disconnecting problem is even worse on console because if you close the game you don't get any penalty.
When you are ingame and somebody sends you an invite you can leave the dominion without any penalty too.
I thought I was the only person who played Lawbringer like this.
I think they should put all the rage quitters in the same server so they can all rage quitters against each other lol
Iv been waiting for this video
This video is a bit underwhelming, despite the concerns and frustrations it gets across which are completely relatable.
They should make a free room map
Out of curiosity, why do you never talk about or play breach
Fun fact: Even if you leave a Breach match and get the 15 min matchmaking penalty, you can still just go play ranked duels for a bit bc for whatever reason the penalty doesn’t apply to that lmao
every match of domin i play is decribed here iv been complaining about this for so long i hope they overhall the gamemode
i agree harsher punishments are needed for leaving but they can't take people's steel away as its a purchasable currency. I personally don't spend money on steel but if someone does ubi doesn't have the right to take their money because they play in a way that displeases people.
I think for honor could really use some new maps and like more permanent game modes, i love to play modes like the 2v2 but the respawn has timers. New characters can be hype, but nothing hyped me up about ocelot or whatever, i think maps and game modes would make me stay
I started playing like a week ago and playing 4v4 for only 4 days and I noticed almost all the points you make.
Match making is really a mess. When it says I'm better than my team mates and worse than my opponents we pretty much always crush the opposing team. When it says I'm better than the opponents and worse than my team mates, my team mates keep rushing into certain death situations over and over again. When we finally manage to outnumber them, they keep feeding revenge and make it worse than being outnumbered.
Afeera's displacement heavy damage should be 3 lmao
im waiting just for warden rework or remaster even cuz for now hes not same as other of "veteran" class characters
maybe then i will be back to game
Its not that theres little consequenc for leaving. Its the fact that if you close app theres no consequence.
Ubisoft has a monopoly on this game genre. Usually monopolies end up way way worse than this. Obviously its still kind of bad but they clearly dont listen to us or play their own game
i'll see 18 minutes of this all
I think you punish people by not playing for an hour(not 15 minutes) would get a better response than taking steel. What do you do when someone doesn’t have any steel to take? Plus, I would like them to rework some feats as well.
This wouldn't help as console players can home+quit which bypasses the 15 minute ban all together.
take levels of their character
@@Pow3rsprunk maybe a 25 percent xp and steel gain penalty for an hour and if you keep quitting it goes up an hour every time, and this would reset every week or month. i feel a system like that would help
@@disparu6007 And on PC you can just DC internet. Just start sending people on 2 week vacation from breach everytime they quit and it will fix the issue. Id rather wait 10 min for game then waste 30 with fools that push/outpush ram rather then fighting for objective of the game that is rampart and flag.
they also need to add new maps... its crazy how the battlefields make such a difference
doesnt matter what character you get, its always just op hero against you.
Just passed 2 weeks of play. i've had a really, REALLY bad stretch recently. Like, consistently going 2-8 and such. Matchmaking is still putting me against rep 200+players, i'm rep 8 lol
i wish lethal feats were locked behind revenge. ora 4v4 mode without feats
when you were talking about the players leaving guess what happened?
the entire enemy team left. :D
What if they added ranks to dominion 😮
I agree , but the changes your suggesting require extra effort, and we’re talking about Ubisoft, so it might be a while before even one of these things happen
As a duels/brawls player. Im glad none of this applies to me.
What about for people at a lag out
I know quitting is a problem
But when in five matches I have teammates that doesn't stay together after 3 minutes of getting ranked, I think I wanna have the chance of not loosing my time in a loss match
Well for my games, it’s usually if I or my friend and I both don’t carry and play dam near perfectly nearly each game, we just lose. It sucks to have to work that hard almost every game but it does also feel good when it works out. We’ve won 2v4. I’ve won 1v4. We’ve brought back entire games from breaking and still somehow managed to win. Our teammates leave and we won’t get a new one while the enemy team will immediately get a replacement. I guess that’s just our relationship with for honor lol. Love hate relationship
In Xbox and I’m sure it’s the same in any device, I just have to close the game in it negates the 15 minute penalty. I personally don’t use it unless I get a 4 jormen match up lol but I think they need a penalty for lots more things
LMAO, a few problems ? Lawbringer's forward dodge heavy has been in the game since forever. It isn't a new thing. Matter of fact they broke it with the rework, despite finally putting it as a move on the character's move list. Also Lawbringer's wall splat heavy damage is 21 because of the 3 hit stun rule, not only do you waste more stamina to do what the rest of the cast gets for granted you also deal less damage. They did not address his openers, his combos after a light are still atrocious, his zone is still 700ms instead of 600ms for some reason. This what 7 years of experience on a game looks like. Let's see how they are gonna massacre the HIghlander rework.
11:15 Oof JC my boy got called out
i just close the app but only if my one of friends crashes so i can play without waiting so i suppose that's ok to do
1.) I get it.
2.) You're taking the game too seriously. It's a comedy game; always has been. Enjoy it as such like I do.
3.) For Honor is full of actual children. The majority of quitters are those children.
For honor is a comedy game? What?
If anything they need to increase the amount of steel you receive overall in 4v4 and bounties and give you penalty like 1h of no steel after games on top of 15min penalty
Just opinion: feats should all be passive’s cuz them off screen 50+ dmg are really boring and kai being kai
IT feels like this games developement ist running on low effort. It could be such an awesome experience, if it would get some more love.
If your on pc tast manger will allow you to leave with no penalties and for console atleast xbox all you gotta do is xbox home for no penalties
Great video but alot of people quit in counter strike. Ive had an entire team quit on me last time i played
Honestly replacing bots/joining mid match in this game needs a overhaul. You see how other games allow for them to be replaced WAY later in the game yet FH can’t do it? They can easily find people too, after a match has been completed it is immediately filled yet they can’t do it after 500 points in game have been won?
People are also really bad at dominion in general. The number of times I hold minion land and 1 point. At this time there is no reason to go to the other teams point and you should defend but people just have to go to the point they don't have and die and we lose everything. They people leave.
1 thing that needs to change is the fact that when you get kicked from ranked matches for server reasons you can still get penalized from it by losing rank progression, in my opinion that's just stupid you get kicked from the game for Server reasons so you lose a rank because it thinks you quit the match, it's stupid
I don’t agree that the servers are stable, however I do feel it shouldn’t be difficult to differentiate a crash, vs a disconnect.
Theyre basically rolling out shit that shouldnt have been a problem in the first place