"The purpose of life is not to be happy. It is to be useful, to be honorable, to be compassionate, to have it make some difference that you have lived and lived well."-Ralph Waldo Emerson. Anton, You are useful, and you are compassionate, and your output makes a difference. Thank you.
We used to think our sun was a rather common star, and our solar system a normal model for other solar systems. Now it looks like every solar system is different due to the dynamics of the area in which it forms and the number of objects which may or may not influence its development. What this means for the development of extraterrestrial life remains to be seen.
@@danoblue Only 7% of the stars in our galaxy are spectral type G dwarfs (i.e. main sequence stars.) There are an estimated 100 to 400 billion stars in our galaxy. 7% × 100 billion = 7 billion Sun-like stars as a minimum.
@@danoblue even if technological life were common in the Milky-way, without breaking the speedof light issues the species that arrived on a generational ship would be different than the one that left.
I remember looking at diagrams of the solar system's formation in the TIMElife books back in the 1980s; when it was proposed that the planets were formed when a star flew by the sun and pulled matter out of the sun that condensed into the planets. We now know this was not the case, but how strange that the fly by idea has been revived!
What this brings to mind to me is the novel "When Worlds Collide" by Wylie & Balmer, that was made into a cheesy movie in the 50s. Paired rogue planets enter the solar system and take out the Moon on the way in, and the Earth on the other side of its hyperbolic arc on the way out. But, the smaller rogue breaks free of the larger and goes into orbit, as humanity tries to escape to it
The elephant in the room is the tilt of Uranus, just past the orbital plane. That could not have happened without the planet having been disturbed in a flyby long ago. It's hard to imagine another explanation.
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With 400+ rogue planets drifting in the Orion Nebula alone in the field of view the likelihood of a rogue planet flying through the solar system is not that unlikely.
Anton stated this event took place when our solar system was only 20 million years ago. That was 4.6 billion years ago. Our solar system was surrounded by newly formed & forming stars and planets. That is not the case today.
And what exactly happened with Saturn? Did it actually usurp it's position... Hard to know fully how much truth resides in the mythos of heavenly legends.
***This is for YouYube commenters, not Anton.*** A lot of other comments are based on a certain segment of UA-cam viewers not understanding statistics. It is not that there is a one percent chance that a flyby caused the eccentricities in our orbits and inclinations, but that out of all possible flybys, about one percent of them would cause similar results to what we see today. The likelihood that a flyby actually caused the eccentricities is much higher, or at least far more likely, than the planet 9 theory. So much more likely that we must discard the previous hypothesis and work on the assumption that a flyby did occur (not proven, just that the model works better than the planet 9 model). Right now the problem is to computer model the orbits backwards in time to find the time when the flyby occurred. At that point we can then start modeling the size, density, and vector of this rogue planet.
Even with reverse orbit modeling of known objects is still unlikely to find the smoking gun. There is so much out there that we can't even detect. James Webb telescope just reinforced that point by how much it was able to detect. We will be lucky to ever get a definitive answer on this matter.
Likely, any giant of any sort flyby would cause ejections, at a minimum, minor planets and smaller, as well as were it to penetrate the Oort and Kuiper belt, some inner solar system bombardments and a fair number of comets. Again, back dating via simulation and calculating back would find the time frame and impacts that correspond to that time frame, helping to confirm it. Sounds intriguing, but it'll take a hell of a lot of supercomputer time to calculate everything, as well as protracted, repeated runs to replicate the results just for any proper paper to be written. Suffice it to say, if not yet fully buying in, I'm sure renting it for now. Because, that beats running with the notion of a stealth gas giant flitting about that defeats multiple IR surveys looking for just such an object. And the only other candidate being a close pass by another star, which somehow didn't perturb the planets all that much and what little it did, variably in ways that gravitationally makes zero sense. Unless someone has a special inverse square law exception card they want to reveal to the universe. I suspect we'll see proton decay before anyone manages to produce that card. ;)
I would start looking (time reference) for the planet sweeping through at about the time of earths "Early bombardment" when a lot of material was being disturbed.
Huge assumption in that, "work the computer model backward in time, to find when the flyby occurred." Basically predicting a condition which was present at the time prior to the event. That kind of science don't age well.
Hello...Anton, appreciate all the effort you and your team put in...i finally got myself a hello wonderful person hoody, with ingenuity on it. Thankyou merry christmas.
I can see the Michael Bay poster now, “26 years after Armageddon, ROGUE is here, you may be able to nuke an asteroid, but what do you do with a planet”
😅 yes I remember the wandering earth 😊 , thank God Chinese cinema doesn’t delve into making everything a franchise, else we will have had wandering planets and they’re battling each other on their way while heading for the nearest star, and when they arrive, 20 more movies about battling the existing planets 😂😂😂
It's not surprising that some rogue planet passed through our solar system billions of years ago. It probably happens in other star systems as well. However, I hope that it does not happen again in the near future; such an event would throw Earth's orbit way out, and that would be the end of us.
The current estimates of just how many rouge planets there are might provide a probability. The recent discovery of some 40+ jumbos in the Orion nebula certainly is a surprise.
Our time on Earth is but a drop in the ocean of cosmology. A passing massive object sometime back does not surprise me at all. Triton, now that is an anomalous fascination. How Neptune captured her has fantastic improbabilites, but there she rolls, backwards to the normal scheme of things. Thank you for the upload Anton Petrov. It makes perfect sense to me.
I'm old enough to remember that Earth was the center of the universe and there were only five wanderers greeting us on a regular basis. Those were great days and nights on the plains of Uruk.
@@JZsBFF Ea-nasir, where are the fine quality copper ingots you promised? I have sent my messenger Sit-sin to you but you put before him copper ingots of poor quality and told him to take them or go away! How can you treat me with such contempt!
@@karablak-je6ed Really, Nanni? Cut me a break. After all this time? You really want me to dig in those clay records? Have you any notion of how hard it is to trace back an order in 4000 year old pile of company records?
"Pluto, you will always be a planet to me.": In general, it does not really matter what you personally think, in this regard. Pluto is downgraded to dwarf planet.
@@mpmpm Actually, by their own criteria at the time, it was a planet. They did not realize it was capable of pulling itself into a spherical shape. Images from that time were indistinct. GIGO.
i like how you are the only one mentioning the hundreds of trans-neptunian objects discovered (in the first part of the video) that basically explained that we don't need a planet 9. but of course that many objects would produce gravitational effects of their own due to all of that mass. and all of that mass would have an effect on planets in our solar system. I feel like current scientists are treating these objects like they have no mass...
I'm still a proponent of a possible plant 9. If it's orbit is extremely narrow and long it would be nearly impossible to find. We look for planet transition to find them but if the plant is moving more out than across than transition doesn't work as well.
"I'm still a proponent of a possible plant 9. If it's orbit is extremely narrow and long it would be nearly impossible to find.": I disagree. Math should be able to find the exact location, if you know which objects are influenced by it, and how much.
@@mpmpmif the orbit of planet 9 is so eccentric that the solar wind is able to slowly change its trajectory like a curling ball over time, then it could perhaps act as a mediator on the orbits of the other planets.
@@mpmpm Disagree all you want, but it has taken time to reveal many things, math or otherwise. Just saying "math" doesn't make things instantly appear. You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of how science and math works. I'm guessing you stopped in Algebra and math is some kind of magic thing you think can invoke, but it isn't.
Agree with you Anton , this event occurred in the very early time as the proto Planets formed. if it was large mass , but unstable it would have been ejected , colliding with other objects and eventually produced the Oort Cloud.
This is one of a few cases (I’m aware of) in which Occam’s razor actually applies: a flyby of a rogue planet, of which many exist, is more likely than a “hidden”, of which one may exist, planet in our solar system.
I'm surprised that thousands of simulations would be sufficient for something like that. I would think it would take at least billions of simulations. The position of each of our planets in its orbit would have to be varied and that alone gives a huge number of possibilities for planetary orientation at the time of encounter. And then there's the parameters of the encounter itself, which would also have to be varied.
Hello You wonderful person! Thank You for You. Bright blessings and happy solstice. Out of the dark, into the light. You are truly, wonderful. Thank You.
Greetings Anton! Our space is somewhat violent and this is demonstrated by comets, 💫 asteroids ☄️ and rogue planets. It is to be a little worried and keep our eyes wide open when observing space through a telescope 🔭. 😮
The shear improbability of any one person's existence or continued existence is mind-bending. It's one thought that is guaranteed to gave me doing an Edvard Munch's Scream pose in the middle of a supermarket if it crops up unexpectedly! Existential surrealness overrides the pragmatic capability to function once I'm in the realm of contemplating the unlikely event of simply being here. Like a Zen Koan it just wipes out any other faculty of reason, reduces every single thing to a non-conceptual framework and an error 404 presents it's self saying "the you that you are looking for cannot be found". And people wonder why they constantly feel like they don't belong, or shouldn't be here. The odds are ridiculous beyond belief!... And somehow people jyst get up in a morning, watch TV, have coffee, go to work, come home, watch TV, and rinse and repeat, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. "Have you ever stood and marvelled at it? Billions of people just living out their lives... Oblivious!" - Agent Smith
Common sense would say if you're trying to find evidence of a fly-by, you would look at the objects with the highest orbital inclinations. Then try and distinguish if there's a cluster of objects grouped together in the same plain as they would have all been dragged out as the planet left the solar system
We need another study: in post-disturbance from an interstellar fly-by perturbations, How does the removal of close orbiting gas giants influence parent stars? This study could describe why our sun is more stable than that of other stars of equal mass. My supposition is that parent stars are less likely to have major flares, and have far less volatility due to a flatter curve in space/time (gravimetric disturbances)...
I have a question : was there any material exchange between the rogue planet and our rocky planets, in a way we could detect today ? Like unusual amount of certain gas or isotops ?
Doesn't the Solar System have an unusual arrangement of planets, in terms of size from the Sun out to the edge, compared to systems of exoplanets in the Milky Way that we've studied? I thought that a possible explanation for this was also that a rogue planet may have been the cause. Thank you, a very thought-provoking video as always!
Jupiter and Mercury are the only planets that have an axial tilt that derives from the accretion disk theory. Meaning they are born here in this system. Earth, Mars and Saturn share a common axel tilt, suggesting they were hit or they are not born of this system, and possibly Saturn was the parent rogue brown dwarf star to Earth and Mars. The JWST found thousands of rogue planets, and red dwarf stars in 1 nebula alone. So there are lots of rouge planets and brown dwarf stars roaming around. Ganymede, a moon of Jupiter is the size of a planet. Venus, and Uranus don't even have a spin common to the sun. They could also be captured.
This is explainable because we haven’t found many terrestrial exoplanets due to their smaller size. We don’t have a large enough sample selection to determine the common arrangements.
@@gravitonthongs1363 The JWST found about a thousand rogue planets or brown dwarf stars in a nebula, which were not associated with a star, bringing forth the question, what forces these planets to leave their star system, or if they were even created around a star.
@@michaelstiller2282 that’s an absolutely fascinating discovery isn’t it. Brown dwarfs were proposed to have planets form in the protoplanetary disk, but so many brown dwarf systems in a cluster is definitely intriguing
Thanks Anton; for all your efforts and information. There is this book written by Tom van Flandern: 'Dark matter Missing Planets & New Comets', that also does some suggestions aboout what could be the matter. Interesting way of thinking. Friendly greetings from Holland.
70,000 Years Ago, Scholz’s Star, a small red dwarf with an orbiting brown dwarf that lies some 20 light years away from Earth. The researchers measured its velocity and simulated possible past pathways of the star. Out of 10,000 potential orbits, 98 percent passed through the edges of the Oort Cloud. Could this be the planet you are looking for?
This event happened when the solar system was only 20 million years ago. That was 4.6 billion years ago. Our solar system was surrounded by new stars and their planetary systems. That is not the case today.
@@WhiteIsraeliteChristianKingdom It makes the most sense. The brown dwarf most likely orbited much closer to the Sun than the light year distance to Scholz’s Star.
I'm not certain if it's true, but I read that a fifth gas giant has been hypothesized since 2011. Does what Anton is talking about have anything to do with this?
It looks like something like that must have happened, as My Mum has often suggested another whole star system may have passed through ours and the other star could have tipped Uranus over, and some of its planets could have smashed into some of ours - a watery one making a load of comets, and others breaking up into asteroids. The two systems could have swapped some objects, ejected others and many more could have been swallowed by the stars and giant planets. Maybe some retrograde moons were captured from the other system. The inclinations of the planets look like they were relative to Earth's orbit, and wondered perhaps Jupiter should be defined as 0 degrees inclination and the others measured relative to that, or are they measured relative to the equator of the sun? If so, it's amazing that Earth lines up with it!
There's one way to definitively tell, if there was a large object entering the solar system then each of the planets would be affected differently as the force between objects is proportional to their mass. So if there's a theoretical shift that correlates with a specific mass that's also observed than we can say with certainty that it did happen.
That's what Anton explained with the many computer simulations that were done, each one changing a parameter a tiny bit to see what would happen. Most didn't get a Solar System result, but a few of them did. the one's that did pointed at an large object at a high inclination.
The hypothesis that the inclinations of planets’ orbits in the solar system were caused by the disturbance of A flyby rogue planet or interstellar object seems to be funded on another hypothesis that all the planets had no or little inclinations in the first place when the solar system was born. This latter hypothesis is even harder to justify. Irregularities appear to be the norm of any system if we look into the details of that system
Irregularities in the X and Z axes can be explained with the giant ball of barely-contained nuclear plasma in the middle of the system. Y-axis, however, needs an outside influence. That said, all of the planets except Jupiter could have small variations due to Jupiter's influence, but not Jupiter itself. That's the issue.
Rogue planets are simply terrifying! Just the thought of a Jupiter or larger cruising around in the black, and not just one but many of them! The more we learn about space, the more I don't like learning about space. Sharks in the ocean are enough to keep me in waters where I know sharks don't roam. We're already in the ocean with planet-sized sharks... And we can't get out of it! Terrifying! 😬
Something a little bigger than Juliter is basically a small star. The potential gravitational mass of certain smaller star type bodies could cause serious chaos for a stable solar system
Do you mean Nemesis? It's a lot easier to search for evidence and they did not find a star that would match the data, so from what I have read, the theory is not being further studied anymore.
@@herbsandflowers8152 the original evidence to suggest nemesis is because of mass extinctions starting 600 million years ago found by lack of marine invertebrates in the fossil record with a periodicity of 27 million years you know how fast and elliptical it would have to be traveling for a orbit of 27 million years that scrapes the oort cloud what are the chances of finding it's exact spot and tracking it long enough to see its ir signature how would we even guess what it's inclination could be not saying it's right but with dark comets like Oumuamua paying us a visit I wouldn't rule it out oort cloud objects would most likely be made of ice methane ice nitrogen they wouldn't tell us even if they knew considering the implications at the very least it appears something has our number in a clockwork fashion maybe a perturbation of the oort cloud by this rogue planet
instead of a bombardment that causes a ice age what about one that puts enough methane in the atmosphere to boil the oceans I imagine in that situation the only place marine life would stand a chance would be at the poles
Well, well! I just happen to be in possession of a book that deals with nothing but that topic, with details galore. Too many for my non-scientist brain. And it was written well before you were born. First published in 1966 by Pacific Meridian Publishing and last I checked, available online at one website for free or via Amazon as a used book. The author is Donald Wesley Patten. It has 27 diagrams and 14 tables in its 336 pages with 12 chapters. Its title is: The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch. Chapter 3 is titled: PAST CELESTIAL CATASTROPHIES. Chapter 4 is: THE TIDAL NATURE OF THE BIBLICAL FLOOD. That tells you a lot about its content... which is focused on a planetary intruder that made at least one orbit around the Earth before continuing on its journey through the Solar System. That circling of the Earth produced massive tsunami waves following behind it.
There were a lot of floods at different times. The stories move about, get exaggerated. Assuming they were all at the same time would be a mistake. The biblical flood has been traced back to Mesopotamia, where a flood story was started reaching the top of the temple. Plus this object would have passed through billions of years before humans existed.
Hmm, lets see. I could listen to the detailed, well-researched and observationally-supported theories advanced by the educated and intelligent scientific community... Or a wad of pseudoscientific fluff found in a 60 year-old cross between Zecharia Sitchin and Christian apologetics. Decisions, decisions... 🤔
Initial conditions could have included a lot of lumpiness and compositional variation more than enough to be responsible for the ultimate eccentricity distributions
That expectation would seem highly likely given how we are told the planets formed. All those collisions should produce random variations rather than a 'picture-perfect' system with everything lined up. And the 4 gas giants would interact with each other during formation so maybe the giant invader isn't needed.
There could have been more than one object to pass through our star system. And as you state, the odds increase as time goes by, up to a point, that you will encounter another massive object.
Odds do not support reality. Statistics are 'best guess', especially in low probability scenarios. One is less than two, probably. Does that mean two is improbable?
The Thunderbolts Project has a theory that indeed a large disturbance happened in the solar system but it was a group of planets and a red or brown dwarf star that was captured by our present star Sol. Due to an electrical difference in polarity and energy levels there was an adjustment made that "demoted" the visiting star into a gas giant causing a ring to form around what we call the gas giant planet Saturn. Saturn's own planets were disturbed and some of them migrated to orbit Sol. Our planet Earth is one of them, as was Mars. There is more to it but this is enough to start with.
The fact that history has been forgotten. And that early astronomy and modern astronomy haven’t yet come to a compromise on the information they provided. Effects are true understanding of what actually took place during the early years. Also the fact that we don’t live long enough affects a lot of the understanding. One day will will be able to get the true answers but for now we just floating models.
Interesting this comes up when there's a theory that the Earth was visited sometime in the past which is what seeded our world with life, and the world will return on some kind of cycle.
Probably happens a lot. If so many stars are being found with planets and stars have a finite life cycle there are probably a lot of planets getting flung in random directions all the time.
'The 12th Planet' by Z. Sitchin comes more readily to mind. It's one of several in his magnum opus, 'The Earth Chronicles' series. The Earth Chronicles is a massive read, but I think it should be required reading for anyone still able to read, and think. 👍 👍
There is other evidence: the hemespheric disparity betweed Mars' northern and southern hemispheres suggest a significant disparity, and the possibility that this may be a related impact. It also suggests a nirthern asteroid impact. Then there are the dendritic channels. Many of which are not open ended, and a large impact could have resulted in enormous electrical discharges carving the dendritic channels.
I don't think it passed through. It was probably a rogue massive gas planet that came into our solar system and was actually captured by our sun in a close orbit and that gas was burned off and captured by our sun leaving only a solid core that we later named Mercury. Mercury has a very high density and gravity for its size, which might indicate that it was once under an enormous amount of pressure. If we ever drill into Mercury and find a diamond like material that would support that hypothesis.
New apocalypse movie ideas. Imagine a gas giant traveling thousands of miles per second. Oh hi Earth! Smash! Would that turn the gas giant into a never before seen gas giant comet?
i believe that initial inclination is "random" (e.g. whatever their formation mass was doing). then the inclinations gradually drifted toward each other to almost flat. given more time all these orbits will get flatter. i believe the rotation shows the original inclination. i am not deep enough into astronomy to explain these beliefs scientifically.
The more things like this come out, the more convinced I am that Academia dissmissing the Ancients is a serious mistake. They have been shown right more often than not in recent years.
Is it possible Uranus is half of a small Jumbo that was captured? Or perhaps a moon of a jumbo hit Uranus? Or the jumbo nudged something into Uranus? Of all the major planets, it has the oddest orbit.
Nibiru is the name of a hypothetical planet that has been the subject of doomsday theories since the mid-1990s. It's also known as Planet X or Planet Nine. The proposal of a close fly by from a rouge celestial body better explains any speculative evidence supporting Nibiru.
👑🤜🇺🇸🤛👑 HAHAHA. NOT news!!! The Sumerians wrote about this 5,000 - 6,000 yrs ago. The planet was called Marduk which struck Tiamat out of which the Earth and Moon were formed. It seems to come into our solar system every 6.000 years. Read The Twelfth Planet by Zacharia Sitchin. It's eye opening. I think that's where these 'scientists' got their idea. ღ(¯`◕‿◕´¯) ♫ ♪ ♫ 𝕳𝖆𝖕𝖕𝖞 𝕳𝖔𝖑𝖎𝖉𝖆𝖞𝖘 ♫ ♪ ♫ (¯`◕‿◕´¯)ღ 👑🤜🇺🇸🤛👑
As I can see where your scientific and other space knowledge originates from these videos other than actual your own observations, so any actual conversation with you kid will be flawed coz of your limited scientific ideology.
This fly by theory makes me wonder if it could be linked to another old theory about a planet being distroyed and causing the asteroid belt, perhaps a collision during the fly by. With as much space out there, it wouldn't be very likely, but stuff happens!
Maybe the asteroid belt is just the remnants of this rogue planet? Jupiter smashed it up. Jupiter is like the sheriff of the solar system. "Hey, Planet! You don't belong here..."
Is it possible that a flyby like this perturbed the orbit of Theta and caused the collision with Earth that formed the Moon? If so, could that help put a date on it?
I don't find this hypothesis particularly compelling. Not only does it reduce everything down to a single 'silver bullet' explanation, it also means that nothing else could have had any major effects on the solar system, both before (initial conditions), and in the remaining 4 billion years after. That seems rather unlikely to me. I mean, at the very least, how does it jive with current theories that already include multiple planetary migrations and collisions?
I thought it was already established there was a star system that tracing back it's current trajectory indicated that a long time ago there was a close enough fly-by with the Solar System that there was likely significant overlap of the respective oort clouds possibly reaching down far enough to cross Earth orbit? Was that later retracted/disproved? Am I remembering wrong?
Imagine that planet the flew through our solar system was actually more in the past then we thought, and is the reason the earth had a collision to create the moon. Makes sense to me, as that would probably have the missing ingredients our planet needed to start life.
You accept that a planet passed through our solar system. Somehow the ancients knew about this planet and many other celestial bodies out there. Yet you still can't accept their accuracy.
"When Worlds Collide", the book and movie from my younger years speculated a binary rogue system, the larger of which smashed the moon on its first pass through the solar system and returned after an orbit of the sun and took out the earth, leaving a few brave survivors to fly a rocket to the smaller object. Seems the author missed the passage by a few billion years. Even without a binary or a collision I wouldn't want to be here for the devastation. Thanks for another scare, Anton. So many ways to end life here...
"The purpose of life is not to be happy. It is to be useful, to be honorable, to be compassionate, to have it make some difference that you have lived and lived well."-Ralph Waldo Emerson. Anton, You are useful, and you are compassionate, and your output makes a difference.
Thank you.
so... its the purpose of other people's lives to make me happy and treat me right? those bums have been slacking off
Ehh. I think life is what you make it. Especially if life is an accident.
All of those experiences are ephemeral. The propose of life cannot be ephemeral.
We used to think our sun was a rather common star, and our solar system a normal model for other solar systems. Now it looks like every solar system is different due to the dynamics of the area in which it forms and the number of objects which may or may not influence its development. What this means for the development of extraterrestrial life remains to be seen.
I give it a 49% chance that we are alone in this reality.
@@Napoleonic_S Thankfully we haven't even detected 0.00001% of the solar systems in the Milkyway Galaxy, let alone the entire Universe.
@@danoblue Only 7% of the stars in our galaxy are spectral type G dwarfs (i.e. main sequence stars.) There are an estimated 100 to 400 billion stars in our galaxy. 7% × 100 billion = 7 billion Sun-like stars as a minimum.
@@danoblue even if technological life were common in the Milky-way, without breaking the speedof light issues the species that arrived on a generational ship would be different than the one that left.
Turns out that our solar system is probably weird.
I remember looking at diagrams of the solar system's formation in the TIMElife books back in the 1980s; when it was proposed that the planets were formed when a star flew by the sun and pulled matter out of the sun that condensed into the planets. We now know this was not the case, but how strange that the fly by idea has been revived!
The electric universe theory is almost the same except there was no fly by. It doesn't get matter pulled out matter but sheds it.
What this brings to mind to me is the novel "When Worlds Collide" by Wylie & Balmer, that was made into a cheesy movie in the 50s. Paired rogue planets enter the solar system and take out the Moon on the way in, and the Earth on the other side of its hyperbolic arc on the way out. But, the smaller rogue breaks free of the larger and goes into orbit, as humanity tries to escape to it
The elephant in the room is the tilt of Uranus, just past the orbital plane. That could not have happened without the planet having been disturbed in a flyby long ago. It's hard to imagine another explanation.
The explanation still requires a body impact.
Impact is more likely. Its WAY over on its side
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If you tilt Uranus just right, you will impact some body.
@@gravitonthongs1363 So close flyby with an E.M.F. tug doesn't count?
With 400+ rogue planets drifting in the Orion Nebula alone in the field of view the likelihood of a rogue planet flying through the solar system is not that unlikely.
Anton stated this event took place when our solar system was only 20 million years ago. That was 4.6 billion years ago. Our solar system was surrounded by newly formed & forming stars and planets. That is not the case today.
@ a lot can happen in 4.6 billion years. Humans only have had telescopes and astronomical knowledge for a thousand or so. Nobody else kept a diary.
@@douglaswilkinson5700newly formed you say,maybe it could be one of the newer systems in the outer rim
Who determined that, I'm curious to know
Interesting
Who determined that ?
Perhaps there's something to the legend of Tiamat after all.
exactly...scientists finally catching up to what we've known for thousands of years...
And what exactly happened with Saturn? Did it actually usurp it's position...
Hard to know fully how much truth resides in the mythos of heavenly legends.
***This is for YouYube commenters, not Anton.*** A lot of other comments are based on a certain segment of UA-cam viewers not understanding statistics. It is not that there is a one percent chance that a flyby caused the eccentricities in our orbits and inclinations, but that out of all possible flybys, about one percent of them would cause similar results to what we see today. The likelihood that a flyby actually caused the eccentricities is much higher, or at least far more likely, than the planet 9 theory. So much more likely that we must discard the previous hypothesis and work on the assumption that a flyby did occur (not proven, just that the model works better than the planet 9 model). Right now the problem is to computer model the orbits backwards in time to find the time when the flyby occurred. At that point we can then start modeling the size, density, and vector of this rogue planet.
Interesting, thank you for this information!
Even with reverse orbit modeling of known objects is still unlikely to find the smoking gun. There is so much out there that we can't even detect. James Webb telescope just reinforced that point by how much it was able to detect. We will be lucky to ever get a definitive answer on this matter.
Likely, any giant of any sort flyby would cause ejections, at a minimum, minor planets and smaller, as well as were it to penetrate the Oort and Kuiper belt, some inner solar system bombardments and a fair number of comets.
Again, back dating via simulation and calculating back would find the time frame and impacts that correspond to that time frame, helping to confirm it.
Sounds intriguing, but it'll take a hell of a lot of supercomputer time to calculate everything, as well as protracted, repeated runs to replicate the results just for any proper paper to be written.
Suffice it to say, if not yet fully buying in, I'm sure renting it for now. Because, that beats running with the notion of a stealth gas giant flitting about that defeats multiple IR surveys looking for just such an object.
And the only other candidate being a close pass by another star, which somehow didn't perturb the planets all that much and what little it did, variably in ways that gravitationally makes zero sense. Unless someone has a special inverse square law exception card they want to reveal to the universe. I suspect we'll see proton decay before anyone manages to produce that card. ;)
I would start looking (time reference) for the planet sweeping through at about the time of earths "Early bombardment" when a lot of material was being disturbed.
Huge assumption in that, "work the computer model backward in time, to find when the flyby occurred." Basically predicting a condition which was present at the time prior to the event. That kind of science don't age well.
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 🙂😊😁☺️
Thank you Anton. Thank you to all the wonderful persons. Happy Holidays everyone. 🏜🕺🏻🐕🏖🎄
Hello...Anton, appreciate all the effort you and your team put in...i finally got myself a hello wonderful person hoody, with ingenuity on it. Thankyou merry christmas.
I can see the Michael Bay poster now, “26 years after Armageddon, ROGUE is here, you may be able to nuke an asteroid, but what do you do with a planet”
See “The Wandering Earth”🌏 😂
the title will have no letters. It will just be an explosion.
😅 yes I remember the wandering earth 😊 , thank God Chinese cinema doesn’t delve into making everything a franchise, else we will have had wandering planets and they’re battling each other on their way while heading for the nearest star, and when they arrive, 20 more movies about battling the existing planets 😂😂😂
I'd watch that movie. (But hopefully not live it)
It's not surprising that some rogue planet passed through our solar system billions of years ago. It probably happens in other star systems as well. However, I hope that it does not happen again in the near future; such an event would throw Earth's orbit way out, and that would be the end of us.
That highly depends on where it enters the solar system.
It’s such a delicate balance. Imagine if our planet stood up straight and stopped wobbling suddenly.
yeah bro not necessarily although i’m glad you’re enjoying asimov
The current estimates of just how many rouge planets there are might provide a probability. The recent discovery of some 40+ jumbos in the Orion nebula certainly is a surprise.
Could be fun. 😉👍
Our time on Earth is but a drop in the ocean of cosmology. A passing massive object sometime back does not surprise me at all.
Triton, now that is an anomalous fascination. How Neptune captured her has fantastic improbabilites, but there she rolls, backwards to the normal scheme of things.
Thank you for the upload Anton Petrov. It makes perfect sense to me.
Looks like Velikovsky was right again.
I'm old enough to remember back when Pluto was still considered a planet, we were looking for Planet X.
Much cooler name imo.
I'm old enough to remember that Earth was the center of the universe and there were only five wanderers greeting us on a regular basis. Those were great days and nights on the plains of Uruk.
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Ea-nasir, where are the fine quality copper ingots you promised? I have sent my messenger Sit-sin to you but you put before him copper ingots of poor quality and told him to take them or go away! How can you treat me with such contempt!
@@karablak-je6ed Really, Nanni? Cut me a break. After all this time? You really want me to dig in those clay records? Have you any notion of how hard it is to trace back an order in 4000 year old pile of company records?
I still consider it (Pluto) to be Planet 9, If they want to admit more, I don't care if we have hundreds or thousands.
Yes, but giving up the search for Planet X and instead turning Pluto into an ex-planet was a total copout.
Always good, Anton! Always so smart! Thank you!
Anton, did it have to be just one flyby event? 1-in-100 chances suggest it could have happened several times in the early solar system.
It was a fly-through the solar system.
Interesting information, thanks Anton 👍❤
There is a known planet 9. Pluto, you will always be a planet to me.
Nuh uh Pluto is the 10th planet because Ceres is the 5th Planet.
"Pluto, you will always be a planet to me.": In general, it does not really matter what you personally think, in this regard. Pluto is downgraded to dwarf planet.
@@mpmpm Actually, by their own criteria at the time, it was a planet. They did not realize it was capable of pulling itself into a spherical shape. Images from that time were indistinct. GIGO.
Sentimentality has no place in astrophysics 😜
i like how you are the only one mentioning the hundreds of trans-neptunian objects discovered (in the first part of the video) that basically explained that we don't need a planet 9. but of course that many objects would produce gravitational effects of their own due to all of that mass. and all of that mass would have an effect on planets in our solar system.
I feel like current scientists are treating these objects like they have no mass...
I'm still a proponent of a possible plant 9. If it's orbit is extremely narrow and long it would be nearly impossible to find. We look for planet transition to find them but if the plant is moving more out than across than transition doesn't work as well.
"I'm still a proponent of a possible plant 9. If it's orbit is extremely narrow and long it would be nearly impossible to find.": I disagree. Math should be able to find the exact location, if you know which objects are influenced by it, and how much.
That seems a coincidence. I’m convinced the tooth fairy is real.
@@mpmpmif the orbit of planet 9 is so eccentric that the solar wind is able to slowly change its trajectory like a curling ball over time, then it could perhaps act as a mediator on the orbits of the other planets.
@@mpmpm Disagree all you want, but it has taken time to reveal many things, math or otherwise. Just saying "math" doesn't make things instantly appear. You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of how science and math works. I'm guessing you stopped in Algebra and math is some kind of magic thing you think can invoke, but it isn't.
@mpmpm that's not how math works. Even now, math shows there has to be something tugging on Pluto but we can't locate "it".
Fascinating discussion opening new points of view.
Agree with you Anton , this event occurred in the very early time as the proto Planets formed. if it was large mass , but unstable it would have been ejected , colliding with other objects and eventually produced the Oort Cloud.
This is one of a few cases (I’m aware of) in which Occam’s razor actually applies: a flyby of a rogue planet, of which many exist, is more likely than a “hidden”, of which one may exist, planet in our solar system.
I'm surprised that thousands of simulations would be sufficient for something like that. I would think it would take at least billions of simulations. The position of each of our planets in its orbit would have to be varied and that alone gives a huge number of possibilities for planetary orientation at the time of encounter. And then there's the parameters of the encounter itself, which would also have to be varied.
No Planet Nine. You made many wonderful persons cry, Anton. 😢
we can say Planet Nine does exist, it just flew through our solar system long ago, then left forever
Planet "nein"!
" .. No 9 .. No 9 .. No 9 .." (a famous Beatles song) :D
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Fascinating!
Thank you very much👍
Hello You wonderful person! Thank You for You. Bright blessings and happy solstice. Out of the dark, into the light. You are truly, wonderful. Thank You.
Greetings Anton! Our space is somewhat violent and this is demonstrated by comets, 💫 asteroids ☄️ and rogue planets. It is to be a little worried and keep our eyes wide open when observing space through a telescope 🔭. 😮
Surprised it's not called the "dark planet".
HAHAHA. Right? Everything gets more funding with a 'dark' or quantum preface.
It is called the great wanderer or the great destroyer by Billy Meier.
Next they'll say it was a dark star, composed of dark matter
Was hoping you'd talk about this
The weird improbabilities for our existence continues to grow.
The shear improbability of any one person's existence or continued existence is mind-bending.
It's one thought that is guaranteed to gave me doing an Edvard Munch's Scream pose in the middle of a supermarket if it crops up unexpectedly!
Existential surrealness overrides the pragmatic capability to function once I'm in the realm of contemplating the unlikely event of simply being here.
Like a Zen Koan it just wipes out any other faculty of reason, reduces every single thing to a non-conceptual framework and an error 404 presents it's self saying "the you that you are looking for cannot be found".
And people wonder why they constantly feel like they don't belong, or shouldn't be here.
The odds are ridiculous beyond belief!... And somehow people jyst get up in a morning, watch TV, have coffee, go to work, come home, watch TV, and rinse and repeat, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
"Have you ever stood and marvelled at it? Billions of people just living out their lives... Oblivious!" - Agent Smith
Common sense would say if you're trying to find evidence of a fly-by, you would look at the objects with the highest orbital inclinations. Then try and distinguish if there's a cluster of objects grouped together in the same plain as they would have all been dragged out as the planet left the solar system
They threw Pluto out of the planet so they didn't have to use Pluto/Neptune area as where this happened and to neglect pluto's orbit and inclination.
Could explain the late heavy bombardment, if timing were right.
That's really cool ❤
We need another study: in post-disturbance from an interstellar fly-by perturbations, How does the removal of close orbiting gas giants influence parent stars? This study could describe why our sun is more stable than that of other stars of equal mass. My supposition is that parent stars are less likely to have major flares, and have far less volatility due to a flatter curve in space/time (gravimetric disturbances)...
This channel has audio in several languages. This is the first video I am hearing in the Spanish language.
You are my childhood, thank you
I have a question : was there any material exchange between the rogue planet and our rocky planets, in a way we could detect today ? Like unusual amount of certain gas or isotops ?
The scar on Mars, the Grand Canyon? You are getting close.
The grand canyon may seem big to us but on a planetary scale, it can barely pass as a scratch.
Doesn't the Solar System have an unusual arrangement of planets, in terms of size from the Sun out to the edge, compared to systems of exoplanets in the Milky Way that we've studied? I thought that a possible explanation for this was also that a rogue planet may have been the cause. Thank you, a very thought-provoking video as always!
Jupiter and Mercury are the only planets that have an axial tilt that derives from the accretion disk theory. Meaning they are born here in this system. Earth, Mars and Saturn share a common axel tilt, suggesting they were hit or they are not born of this system, and possibly Saturn was the parent rogue brown dwarf star to Earth and Mars. The JWST found thousands of rogue planets, and red dwarf stars in 1 nebula alone. So there are lots of rouge planets and brown dwarf stars roaming around. Ganymede, a moon of Jupiter is the size of a planet. Venus, and Uranus don't even have a spin common to the sun. They could also be captured.
This is explainable because we haven’t found many terrestrial exoplanets due to their smaller size. We don’t have a large enough sample selection to determine the common arrangements.
@@gravitonthongs1363 The JWST found about a thousand rogue planets or brown dwarf stars in a nebula, which were not associated with a star, bringing forth the question, what forces these planets to leave their star system, or if they were even created around a star.
@@michaelstiller2282 that’s an absolutely fascinating discovery isn’t it. Brown dwarfs were proposed to have planets form in the protoplanetary disk, but so many brown dwarf systems in a cluster is definitely intriguing
What we've studied has been nothing to the reality of the galaxy. We are too primitive.
Thanks Anton; for all your efforts and information. There is this book written by Tom van Flandern: 'Dark matter Missing Planets & New Comets', that also does some suggestions aboout what could be the matter. Interesting way of thinking. Friendly greetings from Holland.
70,000 Years Ago, Scholz’s Star, a small red dwarf with an orbiting brown dwarf that lies some 20 light years away from Earth. The researchers measured its velocity and simulated possible past pathways of the star. Out of 10,000 potential orbits, 98 percent passed through the edges of the Oort Cloud. Could this be the planet you are looking for?
That's my favorite hypothesis
This event happened when the solar system was only 20 million years ago. That was 4.6 billion years ago. Our solar system was surrounded by new stars and their planetary systems. That is not the case today.
@@WhiteIsraeliteChristianKingdom It makes the most sense. The brown dwarf most likely orbited much closer to the Sun than the light year distance to Scholz’s Star.
Sounds like the story of the planet Nibiru, the so called Twelfth planet.
I had to scroll way to long to find a Nibiru comment. Ty
I heard about the Theory that the Gas Giants migrated outwards long ago, maybe a flyby also explains how that happened...
I'm not certain if it's true, but I read that a fifth gas giant has been hypothesized since 2011. Does what Anton is talking about have anything to do with this?
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I never believed in the planet 9 explanation. To much stuff could pass through and would mess with the orbit of such a planet..
It looks like something like that must have happened, as My Mum has often suggested another whole star system may have passed through ours and the other star could have tipped Uranus over, and some of its planets could have smashed into some of ours - a watery one making a load of comets, and others breaking up into asteroids. The two systems could have swapped some objects, ejected others and many more could have been swallowed by the stars and giant planets.
Maybe some retrograde moons were captured from the other system.
The inclinations of the planets look like they were relative to Earth's orbit, and wondered perhaps Jupiter should be defined as 0 degrees inclination and the others measured relative to that, or are they measured relative to the equator of the sun? If so, it's amazing that Earth lines up with it!
There's one way to definitively tell, if there was a large object entering the solar system then each of the planets would be affected differently as the force between objects is proportional to their mass. So if there's a theoretical shift that correlates with a specific mass that's also observed than we can say with certainty that it did happen.
That's what Anton explained with the many computer simulations that were done, each one changing a parameter a tiny bit to see what would happen. Most didn't get a Solar System result, but a few of them did. the one's that did pointed at an large object at a high inclination.
❤ Excellent
The hypothesis that the inclinations of planets’ orbits in the solar system were caused by the disturbance of A flyby rogue planet or interstellar object seems to be funded on another hypothesis that all the planets had no or little inclinations in the first place when the solar system was born. This latter hypothesis is even harder to justify. Irregularities appear to be the norm of any system if we look into the details of that system
Irregularities in the X and Z axes can be explained with the giant ball of barely-contained nuclear plasma in the middle of the system. Y-axis, however, needs an outside influence. That said, all of the planets except Jupiter could have small variations due to Jupiter's influence, but not Jupiter itself. That's the issue.
I can believe it. I mean, it's not like the rogue planet needs to apply for a licence just to fly into our Solar System or anything.
Rogue planets are simply terrifying!
Just the thought of a Jupiter or larger cruising around in the black, and not just one but many of them!
The more we learn about space, the more I don't like learning about space. Sharks in the ocean are enough to keep me in waters where I know sharks don't roam. We're already in the ocean with planet-sized sharks... And we can't get out of it!
Terrifying! 😬
Very cool, although I would love to add a planet to our solar system.
Uhh what happened to the close flyby of a star theory everyone talked about? Now it's a planet theory?
Something a little bigger than Juliter is basically a small star. The potential gravitational mass of certain smaller star type bodies could cause serious chaos for a stable solar system
Anton said "within 20M years of our solar system's formation" 4.5B years ago.
Do you mean Nemesis? It's a lot easier to search for evidence and they did not find a star that would match the data, so from what I have read, the theory is not being further studied anymore.
@@herbsandflowers8152 the original evidence to suggest nemesis is because of mass extinctions starting 600 million years ago found by lack of marine invertebrates in the fossil record
with a periodicity of 27 million years
you know how fast and elliptical it would have to be traveling for a orbit of 27 million years that scrapes the oort cloud
what are the chances of finding it's exact spot and tracking it long enough to see its ir signature how would we even guess what it's inclination could be
not saying it's right but with dark comets like Oumuamua paying us a visit I wouldn't rule it out
oort cloud objects would most likely be made of ice methane ice nitrogen
they wouldn't tell us even if they knew considering the implications
at the very least it appears something has our number in a clockwork fashion
maybe a perturbation of the oort cloud by this rogue planet
instead of a bombardment that causes a ice age what about one that puts enough methane in the atmosphere to boil the oceans
I imagine in that situation the only place marine life would stand a chance would be at the poles
Well, well! I just happen to be in possession of a book that deals with nothing but that topic, with details galore. Too many for my non-scientist brain. And it was written well before you were born. First published in 1966 by Pacific Meridian Publishing and last I checked, available online at one website for free or via Amazon as a used book.
The author is Donald Wesley Patten. It has 27 diagrams and 14 tables in its 336 pages with 12 chapters. Its title is: The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch. Chapter 3 is titled: PAST CELESTIAL CATASTROPHIES. Chapter 4 is: THE TIDAL NATURE OF THE BIBLICAL FLOOD. That tells you a lot about its content... which is focused on a planetary intruder that made at least one orbit around the Earth before continuing on its journey through the Solar System. That circling of the Earth produced massive tsunami waves following behind it.
There were a lot of floods at different times. The stories move about, get exaggerated. Assuming they were all at the same time would be a mistake.
The biblical flood has been traced back to Mesopotamia, where a flood story was started reaching the top of the temple.
Plus this object would have passed through billions of years before humans existed.
@@seriousmaran9414The book does not suggest the flood took place in biblical times.
Hmm, lets see. I could listen to the detailed, well-researched and observationally-supported theories advanced by the educated and intelligent scientific community...
Or a wad of pseudoscientific fluff found in a 60 year-old cross between Zecharia Sitchin and Christian apologetics.
Decisions, decisions... 🤔
@@seriousmaran9414 Shhh. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy.
I really enjoyed that book and it explained a lot.
Made perfect sense to me.
It would be kind of scary to develop life on a rogue planet, then you realize you are moving further and further away from the sun.
Why would all planets have exactly the same inclination? I would expect some variation. 🤔
A good point, but they do deviate mildly.
Initial conditions could have included a lot of lumpiness and compositional variation more than enough to be responsible for the ultimate eccentricity distributions
Uranus though
That expectation would seem highly likely given how we are told the planets formed. All those collisions should produce random variations rather than a 'picture-perfect' system with everything lined up. And the 4 gas giants would interact with each other during formation so maybe the giant invader isn't needed.
we're in the middle of the song when things make more sense
Now when you mention it, I think I remember something like this happening.
There could have been more than one object to pass through our star system. And as you state, the odds increase as time goes by, up to a point, that you will encounter another massive object.
Odds do not support reality. Statistics are 'best guess', especially in low probability scenarios. One is less than two, probably. Does that mean two is improbable?
Have a lit weekend everyone!
Let's hope not. O2 therapy over here. ❤🔥💥🚒
The Thunderbolts Project has a theory that indeed a large disturbance happened in the solar system but it was a group of planets and a red or brown dwarf star that was captured by our present star Sol. Due to an electrical difference in polarity and energy levels there was an adjustment made that "demoted" the visiting star into a gas giant causing a ring to form around what we call the gas giant planet Saturn. Saturn's own planets were disturbed and some of them migrated to orbit Sol. Our planet Earth is one of them, as was Mars. There is more to it but this is enough to start with.
The fact that history has been forgotten. And that early astronomy and modern astronomy haven’t yet come to a compromise on the information they provided. Effects are true understanding of what actually took place during the early years. Also the fact that we don’t live long enough affects a lot of the understanding. One day will will be able to get the true answers but for now we just floating models.
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It has to do with the gas giants in the solar system 4.6 billion years ago
Mathematicians, take a bow. Anton has extolled you.
Interesting this comes up when there's a theory that the Earth was visited sometime in the past which is what seeded our world with life, and the world will return on some kind of cycle.
Probably happens a lot.
If so many stars are being found with planets and stars have a finite life cycle there are probably a lot of planets getting flung in random directions all the time.
Okay now you're making think about that book called "the 13th planet".
'The 12th Planet' by Z. Sitchin comes more readily to mind. It's one of several in his magnum opus, 'The Earth Chronicles' series. The Earth Chronicles is a massive read, but I think it should be required reading for anyone still able to read, and think. 👍 👍
I'm still looking for that explanation as to why Venus is so messed up.
There is other evidence: the hemespheric disparity betweed Mars' northern and southern hemispheres suggest a significant disparity, and the possibility that this may be a related impact. It also suggests a nirthern asteroid impact. Then there are the dendritic channels. Many of which are not open ended, and a large impact could have resulted in enormous electrical discharges carving the dendritic channels.
I don't think it passed through. It was probably a rogue massive gas planet that came into our solar system and was actually captured by our sun in a close orbit and that gas was burned off and captured by our sun leaving only a solid core that we later named Mercury. Mercury has a very high density and gravity for its size, which might indicate that it was once under an enormous amount of pressure. If we ever drill into Mercury and find a diamond like material that would support that hypothesis.
Could rogue planets get cought by the gravity of a star, thus becoming "adopted planets"?🤔
Yup, entirely possible with the right vectors and forces involved.
Well... This is one possible explanation for the problem, if there actually IS a problem. Planet 9 or X? Nope. Thx as always, Anton.
New apocalypse movie ideas. Imagine a gas giant traveling thousands of miles per second. Oh hi Earth! Smash! Would that turn the gas giant into a never before seen gas giant comet?
i believe that initial inclination is "random" (e.g. whatever their formation mass was doing). then the inclinations gradually drifted toward each other to almost flat. given more time all these orbits will get flatter. i believe the rotation shows the original inclination. i am not deep enough into astronomy to explain these beliefs scientifically.
If Mike Brown wants to be known as the Pluto Killer, we shall dub Garret Brown the Planet 9 Killer.
The more things like this come out, the more convinced I am that Academia dissmissing the Ancients is a serious mistake.
They have been shown right more often than not in recent years.
Interesting that a disruptive fly-by resulted in our current very stable solar system.
Here is a question for you Anton. Is there any chance there was once a planet between Mars and Jupiter ?
Is it possible Uranus is half of a small Jumbo that was captured? Or perhaps a moon of a jumbo hit Uranus? Or the jumbo nudged something into Uranus? Of all the major planets, it has the oddest orbit.
Nibiru is the name of a hypothetical planet that has been the subject of doomsday theories since the mid-1990s. It's also known as Planet X or Planet Nine.
The proposal of a close fly by from a rouge celestial body better explains any speculative evidence supporting Nibiru.
Why would it have to be red?
👑🤜🇺🇸🤛👑 HAHAHA. NOT news!!! The Sumerians wrote about this 5,000 - 6,000 yrs ago. The planet was called Marduk which struck Tiamat out of which the Earth and Moon were formed. It seems to come into our solar system every 6.000 years. Read The Twelfth Planet by Zacharia Sitchin. It's eye opening. I think that's where these 'scientists' got their idea. ღ(¯`◕‿◕´¯) ♫ ♪ ♫ 𝕳𝖆𝖕𝖕𝖞 𝕳𝖔𝖑𝖎𝖉𝖆𝖞𝖘 ♫ ♪ ♫ (¯`◕‿◕´¯)ღ 👑🤜🇺🇸🤛👑
So you believe in this stupid shit, I thought you would had better take of other doomsday theory.
As I can see where your scientific and other space knowledge originates from these videos other than actual your own observations, so any actual conversation with you kid will be flawed coz of your limited scientific ideology.
@@blazie2741...says the onlooker. That's rich. LOL SMH
Periodically Jupiter and Saturn get resonance orbits which pull planets towards them or away from them.
This fly by theory makes me wonder if it could be linked to another old theory about a planet being distroyed and causing the asteroid belt, perhaps a collision during the fly by. With as much space out there, it wouldn't be very likely, but stuff happens!
The total mass of the asteroid belt is less than 5% of our moon. That isn't near enough mass to have once been a planet of its own.
Maybe the asteroid belt is just the remnants of this rogue planet? Jupiter smashed it up. Jupiter is like the sheriff of the solar system. "Hey, Planet! You don't belong here..."
Maybe it's related to the last time the milky way interacted of collided with another system
*A disturbance in the force......!!* 😊😊
Is it possible that a flyby like this perturbed the orbit of Theta and caused the collision with Earth that formed the Moon? If so, could that help put a date on it?
I don't find this hypothesis particularly compelling. Not only does it reduce everything down to a single 'silver bullet' explanation, it also means that nothing else could have had any major effects on the solar system, both before (initial conditions), and in the remaining 4 billion years after.
That seems rather unlikely to me. I mean, at the very least, how does it jive with current theories that already include multiple planetary migrations and collisions?
Brown Dwarf or super Jupiter (the line between them is increasingly vague) seems more likely than a planet.
Yup. Our sun's binary twin.
No way it would be like winning the world loto 1000 in a row. It would NOT happen.
Thea may very well be our present Murcury. It may have tipped over Venus as well. Ah, but what about Uranus?
Personal questions
I thought it was already established there was a star system that tracing back it's current trajectory indicated that a long time ago there was a close enough fly-by with the Solar System that there was likely significant overlap of the respective oort clouds possibly reaching down far enough to cross Earth orbit? Was that later retracted/disproved? Am I remembering wrong?
I always was expecting a massive body to explain Uranus
Everything it’s very interesting
Imagine that planet the flew through our solar system was actually more in the past then we thought, and is the reason the earth had a collision to create the moon.
Makes sense to me, as that would probably have the missing ingredients our planet needed to start life.
You accept that a planet passed through our solar system. Somehow the ancients knew about this planet and many other celestial bodies out there. Yet you still can't accept their accuracy.
If proven or not there is mentioned an extra planet flyby from the mythology of a native people - disclaimer I'm just going by my memory
"When Worlds Collide", the book and movie from my younger years speculated a binary rogue system, the larger of which smashed the moon on its first pass through the solar system and returned after an orbit of the sun and took out the earth, leaving a few brave survivors to fly a rocket to the smaller object.
Seems the author missed the passage by a few billion years. Even without a binary or a collision I wouldn't want to be here for the devastation.
Thanks for another scare, Anton. So many ways to end life here...
It's a good thing they escaped; or the movie would have been lost!