Except for a fleeting reference to fishermen´s music, there is no reference at all to Sea Shanties. Considerng that the Industrial Revolution, and subsequently the whole 19th Century, was a game changer worldwide, it is astounding that Britain´s reliance on sea power for trade produced such a rich heritage of Sea Shanties. These were sung throughout the community more than the "factory" ( for the want of a better word) songs. In fact "the Last Night of the Proms" at the Albert Hall reserves a space for such Seas Shanties. Another thing where the BBC does not do itself any justice is in not recognising its own efforts on the radio to keep (mostly)English Folk songs alive. When I was in Primary school in the 1950s there was a weekly programme for school children called "Music and Movement". Here classical sopranos, baritones and tenors sang traditional music, not, I might say, in a popular and appealing sort of way. However, what gets laid down stays there so helped provide the base. So much more can be said.
Geez, so many whiners down in the comments! It's as if they think you're responsible for the content. I join the appreciators: thank you for your upload of this series. We never saw it in the U.S., and I'm old enough to remember most of the music and musicians on both sides of the pond.
@@orangefunk I'm not really into jazz, although I've taken a couple of courses in jazz history. The cranky folkies are probably just oldies like me. Maybe their arthritis was acting up when they commented, lol!
Yeah, people can get very puritanical about music, insisting on their own definition of 'authenticity'. There are some who would deny Robert Johnson preferred to play Bing Crosby songs live over 'Hellhound on my trail'. Musicians have to earn a living!
Huddie Ledbetter was born in a community near Shreveport, LA. He was serving a prison sentence at Angola Prison when he was recorded by the Lomaxes. Angola Prison is in Louisiana, not Arkansas.
Yeah, mistakes are like cockroaches. The ones you see are always outnumbered by the ones you don't see. If they got this wrong, what else did they get wrong?
only became aware of Nick Drake in the late 1980s because the 30 somethings whom sold us pot would play him & the album one world. thanks to modern technology choosing what I hear I’m now aware of Vashtie Bunyan & Annie Briggs which is scary but in this case fantastic . 😁👍❤️🐢🏴
Folk music has been the back bone of music for Centuries. It is only the human longing for something new and different that has blurred the lines geographically.
Richard and Linda Thompson A Little Night Music / Nocturnes originally on BBC2 in 1981 has appeared on UA-cam. I recorded it at the time my parent's Fergusson Videostar
Red salute to Bert Lloyd and Ewan MacColl, they laid down the basics and without Ewan's discipline, the restoration would not have happened. As for these wooden heads who are commenting on "Communists stealing the music", without the Communists the music would certainly have died.
No mention of Luke Kelly? He learnt a lot from the English folk scene..... it helped shape his style and politics! Very influenced by Ewan MacColl he was..... Much to Ronnie Drew's disgust! 😂😂
Dear @orangefunk Really appreciate having this in one file (though higher res would be nice, in a perfect world) and I'm looking forward to checking out Jazz Britannia as well. Question: I'm not finding Folk parts 2 & 3 on your page. Did I miss 'em? Will you be posting them in future? Thanks!
How dare you define folk by the BBC experience! David Attenborough's middle-class ignorance in no way represented what was going on, strong and healthy, in the villages of England. I was mixed up with his brother in Oh! What a Lovely War, many of those songs were still current in the military. I'd been taught Sussex Maypole by one of the heritage masters, Freddy Hambleton, I can go on and on, but this is so precious in its complete ignorance.
What point are you making? "I'd been taught Sussex Maypole by one of the heritage masters, Freddy Hambleton..." - I'm from Sussex but have never heard of a specific Maypole tradition; and who is Freddy Hambleton?
@@chrisbrady3979 I was surprised by it, I discovered the guy who'd taught me was cited in one of Cecil Sharp's books in the RVWML. I was 13 at the time, so that was 68, and was copying tunes. Fred was way past retirement then, so it's possible CS had spotted him as a lad. I'm more of a singer, or at least was until recently when I fell out of liking for people.
As cultures change music follows and leads. I'm discouraged to see the new disclaim the old. As the old was once new. All things are now as all things should be. The present is the culmination of all decisions combined from the past. Subjectivity appears to be forgotten.
so many wonderful images. too bad the narration is so off. Angola is not in Arkansas. The reason for the "folk music boom" of the 30's is capitalism and commerce. Ralph Peer is much more important than the Lomaxes. This is the first few minutes. So much wrong. Sorry BBC, your colonialism is still showing.
This isn't British Folk in any way - it's American and crappy copies off. Doesn't the BBC know of the vast indigenous folk music of Scotland, England and Wales? It seems it does not.
This is all distortion, my dad was a key figure in the folk revival in Coventry, but before that he was into jazz, friend of Ronnie Scott, George Melly and all that, no boundaries in music, never were. Vaughan Williams and Holst were socialists didn't you know? Oh well BBC arbiters of the truth, who make panorama programmes exposing panorama programmes
I am eighty years old, and totally agree with your evaluation of this travesty of the history of the folk music revival in England. My primary school education in the local village school and beyond had quite a component of folk songs of the United Kingdom. ‘Living in a, at that time a fairly rural county, it was quite natural to be taught songs such as the ‘Lincolnshire Poacher or ‘To be a ‘Farmers Boy,’ not forgetting the unexpurgated version of ‘Johnny Comes Down to Hilo.’ Not to mention, ‘What Shall We Do With the Drunken Sailor,’ and other sea shanties. We owe a phenomenal debt to the likes of Vaughan Williams and others that went before him, and I care little for what his political persuasion was. We seem to forget the influence of popular radio programmes, like Family Favourites, who played song for army servicemen serving in outlandish places like R.A.F. Butterworth, who may have wanted to share with his family the ‘Blayden Races,’ That I am Scots on my mother’s side, and my uncle, though musically illiterate, still managed a tune on the melodeon, the mouth organ and the penny whistle. I latterly discovered that the tunes which seem to have been handed down, such as ‘Gae Bring to Me a Pint O’ Wine,’ was played and sung with a good deal more stateliness than the jig style he played it in. Some of us grew up singing, ‘Ye Canny Shove Yer Granny aff a Bus.’ I think I picked up the song ‘Kevin Barry,’ from my schoolmate J.B., who happened to be a Roman Catholic from Glasgow. Could go on, but will leave it at that apart from saying that we do owe a lot to Lonnie Donegan, who showed our little world that you could do a lot with five chords, a capo, washboard, and a tea chest. With travesties such as this programme is it any wonder that mentioning ‘folk music,’ people no longer understand. We were an industrial town, but we still had Morris Dancers, all male, come up from Oxford, a local pipe band, Orangemen Marches with flute bands, and at co- educational high school English folk dancing after hours. Thankfully I no longer live in the United? Kingdom.
The BBC writes history, the way the ruling class want it to be, most of us realise that, but is there anything to gain from this show? I'm interested in learning about folk music. I can see that there was a middle class political agenda behind the whole thing. It's sinister really. At least the magic of music is still there.
This is a beautiful insight into the reality of the folk revival, which in hindsight I would have to endorse. The reason for my being conflicted, is that my mother was Scottish, and between her and her brother, my uncle, I learned many Scots tunes and songs. He was a melodeon, mouthorgan and penny whistle player. He played entirely by ear, and given the action of both mouthorgan and melodeon, everything had a certain rhythm, which when I was latterly exposed to recordings of the songs wasn’t the way it was sung. Of course, many of the Scots songs have known authors, albeit stretching back to at least the 18th century. My mother would refer to some of them as her ‘daddy’s favourites, and he was born in the 19th century. Whilst Robert Burns, may well have thought of the ‘brotherhood of man,’ I’m not sure that he was much of a socialist. Neither, I would suggest were Robert Tannahill, who gave the world ‘Wild Mountain Thyme, ‘ or for that matter Lady Nairne.
@@stpeterscooksriver1873 Im thinking a lot of this political/socialist edge was pushed by a few, and endorsed by the controllers, but most people just sang the songs they liked
Same in the US. Folk music was almost completely apolitical music of the (mostly rural Southern and mountain) people, but it was the the fakers born with a silver spoon (mostly Yankees) who infiltrated it. They owned the labels too. You still see it all the time with acts like Gillian Welch, who was born in New York City and raised by wealthy entertainers, but pawns herself off as some kind of southern country girl.
Bad show that Dylan is muted - when artists block their own music from documentaries - it separates them from the genre they were supposed to be icons within. It contravenes the entire point. Dylan was a musician of the people who idolozed Woody Guthrie who maintained that elitism and ownership were enemies - yet Dylan is muted so the people never get to hear the message. Hypocrite!
I didn’t realise that was why it was muted there, I thought it was a fault! You’re right, hypocrite, but isn’t that always the way with these people sometimes? George Orwell had it right!
I like a lot of this music but I’m always amused by folk singers singing songs of the working Man, most of them are bums singing round pubs who have never done a days hard work in their lives!
IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK TO UPLOAD DOCU'S IN A DECENT QUALITY, AT LEAST 720P????? These are fabulous documentaries. However the abominable quality makes it unbearable to watch! Thanks for nothing.
Wow these people are horrible. I never realised how inorganic and fake this scene was. I didn't know there was a social engineering facet to it. In a word off putting.
How can you have a documentary about British folk music and completely ignore our indigenous traditions, stretching back to mediaeval times? Typical BBC revisionism, more about African American influences than actual British folk music.
They start talking about that stuff about 10 minutes in, but it was the the folk revival in the u.s (which could be considered to be the result of both African and European historical influence), that inspired the revival of indigenous british folk later on
Bloody hell. I like their music but Seeger and MacColl sound so pretentious and elitist. Feeling that the right way to nurture music was to tell people who was good enough to even participate and then that there was a right and wrong way to play and that your choice was further limited to the area you were raised in.
What a shame the BBC hijacked folk music and made it communist, just over a decade after Stalin's purges... and was helped along by the Seegers and ol' Ewan McColl (I even partly agree with his 'policy' but only detached from socialism/communism, and uncomfortable with the strictness of the thing... given that musicians have to come to their own culture in their own way, a la Fairport etc). I love folk music but am not interested in the ideology side of it (and having researched McCarthy properly I begin to have a lot of sympathy for the man).
Well no... the BBC didn't hijack folk music to "make it communist". The BBC has always been a pillar of the establishment. Although it suits the right to pretend otherwise from time to time it's a long way from sympathising with the left. McColl and his coterie hijacked folk music. I don't have anything at all against socialism but I do resent intellectuals like McColl who want to "educate the masses" and introduce them to their own traditions. It's the strict school teacher persona that must have turned him on to himself. He was a control freak and a Narcissist (you could read Colin Harper's brilliant "Dazzling Stranger: Bert Jansch and the British Folk and Blues Revival" which offers more of an overview than the title would suggest and a much better one than can be found here). McColl took much of the joy out of music making on the folk scene for a decade or so. Of course a lot of the songs emanated from the rural and then the industrial poor, so an element of pre-Marxist, undogmatic socialism (which can be found in the thinking of Robert Owen) is threaded through the tradition, but a lot of the songs seem to be simply a way of transmitting and keeping damned good yarns in an entertaining way. Stalin emerged from what was nominally a Communist state of course (although many argue that Russia was a Bonapartist Dictatorship from the time of Lenin and that Marxism never really took root except as a word to fool the peasants into thinking something had changed and that there wasn't just a new elite). Stalin (Like McColl) was a dictator pure and simple and he treated the people of Russia rather worse than the Tsars had. As for McCarthy... you're entitled to your opinion of course... and I'm also entitled to find it ridiculous.
@@paulcoleman3081 "As for McCarthy... you're entitled to your opinion of course... and I'm also entitled to find it ridiculous." ...that would be because you didn't research him properly. Start with Joseph P. Farrell's books, and then move on to Stefan Molyneux's presentations on the man
@@themaelstromnotebook5418 No of course accusing me of not having researched McCarthy properly and then citing a series of monographs about him by the author of "Genes, Giants, Monsters, and Men: The Surviving Elites of the Cosmic War and Their Hidden Agenda" doesn't make your opinion ridiculous at all.
@@paulcoleman3081 Googling is not researching. First rule of any serious study. Deleting one's own initial comment so as to manipulate the appearance of a discussion smacks also of a man who has painted himself into a corner. And 'ridicule' has been pinned to many a great man in his time (in fact, so much so it is almost a guarantee of greatness... Walt Whitman, William Blake, John Keats, the list is a long one). But don't worry! I have great faith in ye! One day you will begin to study hehe
@@themaelstromnotebook5418 I haven't deleted my original comment it's still there. What the hell are you talking about? "Googling isn't researching"? Is an argument I've seen from many You Tuber's who don't actually have an argument of their own and simply turn to unfounded ad hominem attacks as if that was a "win" for them! They're usually Apologists it has to be said. They usually have just Googled themselves or list sources which have no credibility in the wider world outside their particular area of conspiracy theory/faith-based nonsense. You haven't addressed any of the other points I made in my original comment, just the one concerning your "pet" project "McCarthy was really a good guy despite the witch hunts and the Lavender Scare" (the latter even more than the former being the tactics of a very unpleasant character indeed).
Except for a fleeting reference to fishermen´s music, there is no reference at all to Sea Shanties. Considerng that the Industrial Revolution, and subsequently the whole 19th Century, was a game changer worldwide, it is astounding that Britain´s reliance on sea power for trade produced such a rich heritage of Sea Shanties. These were sung throughout the community more than the "factory" ( for the want of a better word) songs. In fact "the Last Night of the Proms" at the Albert Hall reserves a space for such Seas Shanties.
Another thing where the BBC does not do itself any justice is in not recognising its own efforts on the radio to keep (mostly)English Folk songs alive. When I was in Primary school in the 1950s there was a weekly programme for school children called "Music and Movement". Here classical sopranos, baritones and tenors sang traditional music, not, I might say, in a popular and appealing sort of way. However, what gets laid down stays there so helped provide the base.
So much more can be said.
Geez, so many whiners down in the comments! It's as if they think you're responsible for the content. I join the appreciators: thank you for your upload of this series. We never saw it in the U.S., and I'm old enough to remember most of the music and musicians on both sides of the pond.
Thanks so much! I post a lot of music... usually jazz but the folk lot seem to be the most belligerent :D.
@@orangefunk I'm not really into jazz, although I've taken a couple of courses in jazz history. The cranky folkies are probably just oldies like me. Maybe their arthritis was acting up when they commented, lol!
Yeah, people can get very puritanical about music, insisting on their own definition of 'authenticity'. There are some who would deny Robert Johnson preferred to play Bing Crosby songs live over 'Hellhound on my trail'. Musicians have to earn a living!
I am so enjoying watching this and the other episodes. "Thank-You" for sharing them on here to watch & listen... Excellent and Much Appreciated !. 👏👏👏
welcome!
Ramblin jack Elliot was exactly like early Dylan.
So many of these people involved in folk were like actors, inventing their personas.
Huddie Ledbetter was born in a community near Shreveport, LA. He was serving a prison sentence at Angola Prison when he was recorded by the Lomaxes. Angola Prison is in Louisiana, not Arkansas.
Yeah, mistakes are like cockroaches. The ones you see are always outnumbered by the ones you don't see. If they got this wrong, what else did they get wrong?
@@familycorvette 2 edgy 4 me
If that's all you took from this documentary, a geographical error, then I feel sorry for you.
only became aware of Nick Drake in the late 1980s because the 30 somethings whom sold us pot would play him & the album one world. thanks to modern technology choosing what I hear I’m now aware of Vashtie Bunyan & Annie Briggs which is scary but in this case fantastic . 😁👍❤️🐢🏴
Folk music has been the back bone of music for Centuries. It is only the human longing for something new and different that has blurred the lines geographically.
Culturally and politically as well.
A brief cameo of the Lost City Ramblers. RIP Tom Paley, you are much missed.
NEW Lost City Ramblers, Steve, Seeng Tom Paley live was a great pleasure RIP
Richard and Linda Thompson A Little Night Music / Nocturnes originally on BBC2 in 1981 has appeared on UA-cam. I recorded it at the time my parent's Fergusson Videostar
Red salute to Bert Lloyd and Ewan MacColl, they laid down the basics and without Ewan's discipline, the restoration would not have happened. As for these wooden heads who are commenting on "Communists stealing the music", without the Communists the music would certainly have died.
Huddie Ledbetter was actually recorded in Angola prison in Louisiana not Arkansas
Thanks for uploading this mate
23:37 This Is It!!!! It just rooooocks!!
No mention of Luke Kelly? He learnt a lot from the English folk scene..... it helped shape his style and politics! Very influenced by Ewan MacColl he was..... Much to Ronnie Drew's disgust! 😂😂
Dear @orangefunk
Really appreciate having this in one file (though higher res would be nice, in a perfect world) and I'm looking forward to checking out Jazz Britannia as well.
Question: I'm not finding Folk parts 2 & 3 on your page. Did I miss 'em? Will you be posting them in future?
Thanks!
Replying on another account but yeah looks like they took them down... I uploaded them all on the same day.
Just unblocked them now! Seems like Simple Minds, Pogues and Fairport Convention were blockers :)
How dare you define folk by the BBC experience! David Attenborough's middle-class ignorance in no way represented what was going on, strong and healthy, in the villages of England. I was mixed up with his brother in Oh! What a Lovely War, many of those songs were still current in the military. I'd been taught Sussex Maypole by one of the heritage masters, Freddy Hambleton, I can go on and on, but this is so precious in its complete ignorance.
What point are you making? "I'd been taught Sussex Maypole by one of the heritage masters, Freddy Hambleton..." - I'm from Sussex but have never heard of a specific Maypole tradition; and who is Freddy Hambleton?
@@chrisbrady3979 I was surprised by it, I discovered the guy who'd taught me was cited in one of Cecil Sharp's books in the RVWML. I was 13 at the time, so that was 68, and was copying tunes. Fred was way past retirement then, so it's possible CS had spotted him as a lad. I'm more of a singer, or at least was until recently when I fell out of liking for people.
There's no such thing as Sussex Maypole, and no-one there has heard of Freddy Hambleton.
Angola State Penitentiary is in Louisiana, not Arkansas.
As cultures change music follows and leads. I'm discouraged to see the new disclaim the old. As the old was once new.
All things are now as all things should be. The present is the culmination of all decisions combined from the past. Subjectivity appears to be forgotten.
This kind of tripe is exactly why don't pay a TV licence,
🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵
I wish if there were subtitles
so many wonderful images. too bad the narration is so off. Angola is not in Arkansas. The reason for the "folk music boom" of the 30's is capitalism and commerce. Ralph Peer is much more important than the Lomaxes. This is the first few minutes. So much wrong. Sorry BBC, your colonialism is still showing.
Amen
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29:26 Could you tell me what title is this ballad, somebody?
240p !! why ? it must be 1080p! with subs..
Was all I had.. better than nothing.
Great series but i hvae to say that Leadbelly is Blues - not folk...
Blues is as folk as you can get.
would like to enjoy it, but stopped after 20 minutes - too much advertising...
I uploaded it with no monetisation so it is not my doing.
It's youtube today. You have to pay to lose the ads.
If anyone could tell me the song playing at 2:06 if be happy
It's Angi, composed and played by Davy Graham. Bert Jansch also did a version of it (as did Paul Simon).
Bert Jentsch: Angie
No idea
can anyone tell me what is the song in 21:30? :(
A Campion at Keeping Them Rolling.
I don't know
CHAMPION at Keeping Them Rolling
This isn't British Folk in any way - it's American and crappy copies off. Doesn't the BBC know of the vast indigenous folk music of Scotland, England and Wales? It seems it does not.
This is all distortion, my dad was a key figure in the folk revival in Coventry, but before that he was into jazz, friend of Ronnie Scott, George Melly and all that, no boundaries in music, never were. Vaughan Williams and Holst were socialists didn't you know? Oh well BBC arbiters of the truth, who make panorama programmes exposing panorama programmes
I am eighty years old, and totally agree with your evaluation of this travesty of the history of the folk music revival in England. My primary school education in the local village school and beyond had quite a component of folk songs of the United Kingdom. ‘Living in a, at that time a fairly rural county, it was quite natural to be taught songs such as the ‘Lincolnshire Poacher or ‘To be a ‘Farmers Boy,’ not forgetting the unexpurgated version of ‘Johnny Comes Down to Hilo.’ Not to mention, ‘What Shall We Do With the Drunken Sailor,’ and other sea shanties. We owe a phenomenal debt to the likes of Vaughan Williams and others that went before him, and I care little for what his political persuasion was. We seem to forget the influence of popular radio programmes, like Family Favourites, who played song for army servicemen serving in outlandish places like R.A.F. Butterworth, who may have wanted to share with his family the ‘Blayden Races,’ That I am Scots on my mother’s side, and my uncle, though musically illiterate, still managed a tune on the melodeon, the mouth organ and the penny whistle. I latterly discovered that the tunes which seem to have been handed down, such as ‘Gae Bring to Me a Pint O’ Wine,’ was played and sung with a good deal more stateliness than the jig style he played it in. Some of us grew up singing, ‘Ye Canny Shove Yer Granny aff a Bus.’ I think I picked up the song ‘Kevin Barry,’ from my schoolmate J.B., who happened to be a Roman Catholic from Glasgow. Could go on, but will leave it at that apart from saying that we do owe a lot to Lonnie Donegan, who showed our little world that you could do a lot with five chords, a capo, washboard, and a tea chest. With travesties such as this programme is it any wonder that mentioning ‘folk music,’ people no longer understand. We were an industrial town, but we still had Morris Dancers, all male, come up from Oxford, a local pipe band, Orangemen Marches with flute bands, and at co- educational high school English folk dancing after hours. Thankfully I no longer live in the United? Kingdom.
The BBC writes history, the way the ruling class want it to be, most of us realise that, but is there anything to gain from this show? I'm interested in learning about folk music. I can see that there was a middle class political agenda behind the whole thing. It's sinister really. At least the magic of music is still there.
This is a beautiful insight into the reality of the folk revival, which in hindsight I would have to endorse. The reason for my being conflicted, is that my mother was Scottish, and between her and her brother, my uncle, I learned many Scots tunes and songs. He was a melodeon, mouthorgan and penny whistle player. He played entirely by ear, and given the action of both mouthorgan and melodeon, everything had a certain rhythm, which when I was latterly exposed to recordings of the songs wasn’t the way it was sung. Of course, many of the Scots songs have known authors, albeit stretching back to at least the 18th century. My mother would refer to some of them as her ‘daddy’s favourites, and he was born in the 19th century. Whilst Robert Burns, may well have thought of the ‘brotherhood of man,’ I’m not sure that he was much of a socialist. Neither, I would suggest were Robert Tannahill, who gave the world ‘Wild Mountain Thyme, ‘ or for that matter Lady Nairne.
@@stpeterscooksriver1873 Im thinking a lot of this political/socialist edge was pushed by a few, and endorsed by the controllers, but most people just sang the songs they liked
Same in the US. Folk music was almost completely apolitical music of the (mostly rural Southern and mountain) people, but it was the the fakers born with a silver spoon (mostly Yankees) who infiltrated it. They owned the labels too.
You still see it all the time with acts like Gillian Welch, who was born in New York City and raised by wealthy entertainers, but pawns herself off as some kind of southern country girl.
Bad show that Dylan is muted - when artists block their own music from documentaries - it separates them from the genre they were supposed to be icons within. It contravenes the entire point. Dylan was a musician of the people who idolozed Woody Guthrie who maintained that elitism and ownership were enemies - yet Dylan is muted so the people never get to hear the message. Hypocrite!
I didn’t realise that was why it was muted there, I thought it was a fault! You’re right, hypocrite, but isn’t that always the way with these people sometimes? George Orwell had it right!
@@thebaron5206 you aint read a single book, let alone a george orwell book
I like a lot of this music but I’m always amused by folk singers singing songs of the working Man, most of them are bums singing round pubs who have never done a days hard work in their lives!
IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK TO UPLOAD DOCU'S IN A DECENT QUALITY, AT LEAST 720P????? These are fabulous documentaries. However the abominable quality makes it unbearable to watch! Thanks for nothing.
Yes it is too much to ask .. :)
It's all I have.. otherwise there would be nothing...
Btw something seems wrong with your keyboard :)
Wow these people are horrible. I never realised how inorganic and fake this scene was. I didn't know there was a social engineering facet to it. In a word off putting.
Some of the most maggoty folk I’ve met have been folklorists and collectors …
How can you have a documentary about British folk music and completely ignore our indigenous traditions, stretching back to mediaeval times? Typical BBC revisionism, more about African American influences than actual British folk music.
It means contemporary folk music not the weird stuff that gets druids dancing round maypoles
Tell us about those indigenous traditions … stretching, like the imagination, and reality, to the medieval period would you please Clown Juice?
They start talking about that stuff about 10 minutes in, but it was the the folk revival in the u.s (which could be considered to be the result of both African and European historical influence), that inspired the revival of indigenous british folk later on
They just can't stop- I got 10 mins in and turned it off.
Eck e thump
Bloody hell. I like their music but Seeger and MacColl sound so pretentious and elitist. Feeling that the right way to nurture music was to tell people who was good enough to even participate and then that there was a right and wrong way to play and that your choice was further limited to the area you were raised in.
"Folk Britannia", big black lad. Typical BBC propoganda
Brother what the real hell are you on about
@@lexiliuta589 you wouldn't get it
There's been different ethnicities in Britain since the days of the Romans..
pipe down lad
@@LaughingMan44 if you're what happens to a person when they do get it, everyone else is lucky
@@sunkintree yeah generally being blissfully unaware and ignorant means you're happier, that's why kids with down syndrome are so happy
What a shame the BBC hijacked folk music and made it communist, just over a decade after Stalin's purges... and was helped along by the Seegers and ol' Ewan McColl (I even partly agree with his 'policy' but only detached from socialism/communism, and uncomfortable with the strictness of the thing... given that musicians have to come to their own culture in their own way, a la Fairport etc). I love folk music but am not interested in the ideology side of it (and having researched McCarthy properly I begin to have a lot of sympathy for the man).
Well no... the BBC didn't hijack folk music to "make it communist". The BBC has always been a pillar of the establishment. Although it suits the right to pretend otherwise from time to time it's a long way from sympathising with the left. McColl and his coterie hijacked folk music. I don't have anything at all against socialism but I do resent intellectuals like McColl who want to "educate the masses" and introduce them to their own traditions. It's the strict school teacher persona that must have turned him on to himself. He was a control freak and a Narcissist (you could read Colin Harper's brilliant "Dazzling Stranger: Bert Jansch and the British Folk and Blues Revival" which offers more of an overview than the title would suggest and a much better one than can be found here). McColl took much of the joy out of music making on the folk scene for a decade or so. Of course a lot of the songs emanated from the rural and then the industrial poor, so an element of pre-Marxist, undogmatic socialism (which can be found in the thinking of Robert Owen) is threaded through the tradition, but a lot of the songs seem to be simply a way of transmitting and keeping damned good yarns in an entertaining way. Stalin emerged from what was nominally a Communist state of course (although many argue that Russia was a Bonapartist Dictatorship from the time of Lenin and that Marxism never really took root except as a word to fool the peasants into thinking something had changed and that there wasn't just a new elite). Stalin (Like McColl) was a dictator pure and simple and he treated the people of Russia rather worse than the Tsars had. As for McCarthy... you're entitled to your opinion of course... and I'm also entitled to find it ridiculous.
@@paulcoleman3081 "As for McCarthy... you're entitled to your opinion of course... and I'm also entitled to find it ridiculous." ...that would be because you didn't research him properly. Start with Joseph P. Farrell's books, and then move on to Stefan Molyneux's presentations on the man
@@themaelstromnotebook5418 No of course accusing me of not having researched McCarthy properly and then citing a series of monographs about him by the author of "Genes, Giants, Monsters, and Men: The Surviving Elites of the Cosmic War and Their Hidden Agenda" doesn't make your opinion ridiculous at all.
@@paulcoleman3081 Googling is not researching. First rule of any serious study. Deleting one's own initial comment so as to manipulate the appearance of a discussion smacks also of a man who has painted himself into a corner. And 'ridicule' has been pinned to many a great man in his time (in fact, so much so it is almost a guarantee of greatness... Walt Whitman, William Blake, John Keats, the list is a long one). But don't worry! I have great faith in ye! One day you will begin to study hehe
@@themaelstromnotebook5418 I haven't deleted my original comment it's still there. What the hell are you talking about? "Googling isn't researching"? Is an argument I've seen from many You Tuber's who don't actually have an argument of their own and simply turn to unfounded ad hominem attacks as if that was a "win" for them! They're usually Apologists it has to be said. They usually have just Googled themselves or list sources which have no credibility in the wider world outside their particular area of conspiracy theory/faith-based nonsense. You haven't addressed any of the other points I made in my original comment, just the one concerning your "pet" project "McCarthy was really a good guy despite the witch hunts and the Lavender Scare" (the latter even more than the former being the tactics of a very unpleasant character indeed).
Leave out the Irish element and you have left out a lot.
Wouldn’t be Britannia then, would it? The Irish would rightly speak up.