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- Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e14 · Clues
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Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e14 · Clues
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A perfect exemple of the 4th law of Robotics in Asimov novels. Every one know the first 3 laws of robotics, positronic brain robots, Data is an incarnation of the dream of Azimov. But in the novels, the need of a 4th law appears : if the interest of all humanity or a big number of humans is in the balance, a robot can sacrifice the fate of 1 human or a small number of humans. This is also the robotic version of the Vulcan principal explained by Spock when he sacrifice himself to save the Enterprise, the need of the many is more important than the need of the few. Here Data accept the risk of hurting Deana Troy and sacrifice is own career to protect all the crew.
Democracy, rule by numbers. Whether those numbers be many or few. And if few, how much weight do the few carry?
@@willjohnson846 Few. Enough to make a difference. Look, I don’t want you to be unhappy or to get the short end of the stick. I’m on your side, which is the American Way. I want everyone to prosper and be okay. I really, really do. So very much.
@@willjohnson846 It depends on who's counting the votes.
“I’m not saying that at all, I’m just giving you one hell of a clue that you’re not picking up…. Sir.”
Oh, he picked it up.
He just couldn’t let it go.
Picard: Contractions? The clue is that you're Lore!
@@FutureDeep What a twist!
2:00 I had to go back and check... Just to be safe. 😂
He said "I am not saying that at all. I merely state that..."
I just wish Data had said something along the lines of 'Knowing what you know about me, could you accept that there is a legitimate reason for what I've done and that I wouldn't take this choice out of your hands if there was any other way?"
as a machine, data has been compromised so many times lol, i wouldn't know what to think. but thats part of the tension building here. is this programed mutiny? worse, a personal betrayal from data? or some higher problem we cant even see that can rationally cause these actions? picard can have data literally disassembled and yet he's powerless in this scene.
Too much of a hint. Picard would still follow that trail.
If he gets discharged from Starfleet following his court martial than surely they'd have no right to "strip him to his wires". They had a hearing about it.
I think Picard merely meant it as a threat, to illustrate the gravity of the situation
I dunno about that what he did is tantamount to sabotage, there is the possibility of espionage charges
He would become a prisoner after the court martial, which means he would have much less rights, if any at all, after the court martial.
Only Tasha has stripped him anywhere near his wires.
Seems he is the "property of Starfleet" after all.
0:39 Data's technically perfect poker face that says, "I'm 100% bluffing"
1:51-2:00.
Would that be a tell?
Wrong, it says i'm 100% telling the turth.
I think it's saying, "Can I kill these two and make it look like an accident? In my quarters? Maybe blame the cat?" :D
@@aggressiveattitudeera887 Id say possibly, but more likely Data is considering how to tell Picard that there is a very good reason for his disobedience considering the episode
I think he looks guilty, not in the sense of remorse, but in the sense of having been caught and fearing the consequences. Not saying Data feels that, but I'm saying that maybe Spiner and the director were going for that look.
I was not planning to get sucked into another TNG binge so soon after the previous one, and then you come along! 😆
Same!
Resistance is indeed futile.
Same!
Yes.
Same here, working 8-20 and career is so overrated anyway.
Once, long ago, my family and I lived in a house but had no cable. We did however have a VCR. I had always liked Star Trek, and got my wife into watching it. Someone gave us a box full of VHS tapes, all of them full of Next Generation episodes from the 90's. We literally had Star Trek TNG on all day, old ads and everything. It was great. My wife never saw this episode, it was nice to watch her reactions to Mr. Data's behavior this episode. Good times.
Clues is one of my very favorite episodes of TNG. It’s such a great episode!
As usual, the scripts were just so incredibly strong. Incredible writing.
Picard is so damn intimidating, especially when he's calm.
How to end the episode in 10 minutes:
Data: Captain, I am under orders to not say anything.
Picard: Whose orders?
Data: Yours. We need to leave this area immediately. I shall explain later
Picard: Get us out of here!
The moment he revealed it was Picard's order himself, the alien on board would have prevented them from leaving, maybe even kill them outright. It literally did in the show, and somehow spared the crew and allowed them another try. Data wouldn't risk that, however.
The only way is to trick Picard and co. into leaving, which is exceedingly difficult.
@@ducminhduong9873
The episode is frought with problems.
- the aliens apparently have listening devices all over the ship as they can hear Data having a private conversation with Picard.
- Data, as an officer, should be able to communicate in code when using unencrypted communication
- It's unreasonable for the alien species to go through that much trouble to mind wipe an entire vessel with 1014 people. Since non-human species are aboard there's no way to know if the mind wipe worked.
- Current security systems will show when logs are wiped. The Enterprise apparently has security systems from the 1950s.
- A xenophobic race that can cloak an entire planet won't be able to cloak the gravity well and the infrared light coming from it. This whole premise of hiding in such a manner is stupid.
- Why is the Enterprise even that close to the planet? It has scanners that have a range of 17 light years. If the Enterprise REALLY wanted to scan the planet, it could have done so within a light year.
The writing is ridiculous.
how to make them leave.
data: 10 borg cubes incoming, and 2 borg spheres!
picard: maximum warp to anywhere but here
@@clubcyberia8572 But then wouldn't they travel for a few hours, stop, and then go "Now then Data, let's have a look at those sensor logs"?
@@hub5343It wouldn't even take that long. Tactical, Ops, and Engineering would be going over the sensor scans almost immediately (we saw this a few times in various Trek series) to determine where they came from in an effort to determine the threat not only to the ship but to the nearby systems and the Federation itself. That particular hoax wouldn't last more than a couple minutes under scrutiny.
It should be known that Data processes outcomes and probabilities extremely quickly. Indeed, he mentioned that in Encounter at Farpoint as having had Honors Distinction in that particular area in the academy. He would have already computed all the probable questions and answers he could provide. In First Contact (movie), he said what was seemingly a joke to Picard but actually true: "0.68 seconds. That is nearly an eternity for an android." He's not wrong.
The writers already considered other more outlandish outcomes and decided this one was a better story. They were not wrong either.
This is a great episode! Underrated! Has a cool mystery vibe to it and depicts Data in a difficult position between a rock and a hard place.
The mystery episodes tend to be amongst the best.
@@stevieboymkii that’s what I love about Star Trek, there’s an abundance of mystery and problem solving throughout the series
It's probably underrated because the answer, and subsequent solution, are a bit dumb. Which is a shame because all the lead up is great.
@@Zikar How would you have changed the ending?
The biggest problem is that if Picard had entered in his log that he was leaving the system unexplored because of his trust for Commander Data, it would actually make the situation worse because it would have brought Data under more scrutiny and starfleet would probably have sent a different vessel to explore the system, or ordered the Enterprise back in.
If I recall, didn’t he delete the log entry on purpose?
@@mariolawrence897 I don't recall. I'd have to watch it again.
One of my favorite episodes
The writers kept forgetting that Data was classed as a one of a kind being with all the rights of humans and other species as the writers keep having Starfleet threatening to kill him for research or other purposes against his will.
They didn't forget. If Data had been given a court martial Starfleet would claim he's too dangerous to be left on and they would shut him off. And they would be right. Data is super dangerous. I'd imagine he could easily break out of any penal colony he wanted too. Once he's shut off Starfleet would than claim it needs to open him up to find out what went wrong. Some admiral in Starfleet wouldn't give a damn about Data's rights even with that ruling in place.
I am surprised that none of them were court martialed after interfering with the development of LAL .
From what we've seen, Starfleet is one of the most dishonest organizations in existence. Eddington even stated how they are worse than the Borg, since at least the Borg is upfront and honest with you to what they will do. Frankly, I easily see Starfleet disposing of any such previous ruling made and just do whatever they want do to. In this case, it would be an excuse to analyze Data further to a level that would otherwise never present itself.
the best scifi show to ever exist
This was an incredible episode where Picard ordered Data to hide the truth from Captain Picard
They should have deleted his memory banks and go on with they day.
@Kristopher Chavez Humans have a neural net too.
Even if you don't know how the android works you can always manipulate the brains of the living to do the job for you.
If worst come to be, you install the last backup and delete everything else.
@Kristopher Chavez The question was - why could they manipulate a human brain but not a android.
Once Data sees Picard order Geordi to send *another* probe, he should have realized the facade was up. There's no way Picard wasn't going to go right back to the planet...so being alone with him, he could have debriefed Picard on the whole thing and basically said, "Ok so here's what happened, now whatever we do, we can't go back to the planet. Let's get the hell out of here." But that wouldn't have been as dramatic, I guess.
The problem is that Data is an android. He was ordered never to reveal the truth for any reason. He followed that order to the bitter end.
I feel like Data could of easily said "on your orders sir, I am purposefully keeping information about the lost time, in an attempt to protect the good of the ship and its crew, we simply need to leave this area of space and never return."
That may have been violating orders, and it wouldn't be guaranteed to work. Because then comes the question why would I order that, and why don't I remember it? Followed by, well surely if somebody did this, there would be more evidence of it, of which you have none. It's basically a lose-lose scenario
@@roetemeteor yea it's not perfect.
Honestly, this episode really doesn't show Picard's typical intelligence.
I feel like he, more than anyone else, would be smart enough to see that data is protecting them.
@@roetemeteor I mean he didn't question when data said to drop the shields
@@Raooka I was thinking the same thing. He's trusted Data with the lives of the ship before without knowing what was going on.
@@Springheel01 previously, data had not given Picard a reason to distrust him. In this case, he did, but picard figured there was a good reason behind enhanced why he wasn't immediately confined to quarters and basically dishonoured. Later on, when shit hits the fan, they start listening to data again instantly because they realized they messed up. Currently, he doesn't know this, and thinks something else is wrong.
Don't get me wrong, because I do agree that he is smarter than this and should have immediately realized something was severely wrong, but the premise of a mystery and all that.
Oh, I remember this episode
In the late 90's they used to air rerun episodes on TV. I was around 18 at the time and a useless teenager that would stay out getting baked with my friends.
But I would always return home and make a full pan of chocolate chip cookies, and my dad and I would watch TNG. He didn't approve of my habits, but we enjoyed cookies and milk while watching TNG together.
Fantastic times...
One of the greatest tng episodes ever
I never really thought about it before, but this might be my favorite Star Trek episode of all time.
Dad : Did you delete over 50 terabytes of data from your browsing history?
Son : I can not verify that hypothesis.
Dad : But do you deny it?
Son : No, father.
@2:33 "What would you have me do Data?" is the real and honest question, if he only answered that...
“I would suggest we never go back there, and have Starfleet issue a general order to do the same, in the interest of preserving life.”
This was such a good episode, though it does annoy me that Picard does not ask himself “why” Data is acting this way he is. “I can not answer that” is a clue. Data speaks very deliberately, so if he says he can not answer something, it means he can’t and not that he is choosing not to.
Picard does...he says so explicitly later, that he believes Data is acting in the best interest of the ship and crew (or, at least, Data believes he is), and that maybe it'd be better to let it lie...*but* he knows how much trouble Data will be in with Starfleet if they don't solve the mystery and doesn't want to just leave him to have to fend for himself without answers.
My favorite part of TNG was the relationship and friendship that Picard developed with Data. A family was never in the cards for Picard but he clearly understood the responsibility he had to be someone worth looking up to for Data. Data isn't exactly a child, but in many ways he is - every moment is a teachable one, and Picard goes out of his way to make sure the lessons learned are good ones. There are times he does this with other crew members like Wesley, but never to the extent he does with Data.
A great scene to compare and contrast this to is from "The Pegasus," where Riker and Picard get into a similar conflict. By that point, Picard knew he could count on and trust Riker completely, but when he dresses Riker down he doesn't hold back with how angry he is. He would never try to reason with Riker the way he does here with Data. By trying to reason with Data, he's teaching Data what reasoning is.
There are several times in the series where the crew is facing a difficult situation, and Data will have some flash of insight that he doesn't have time to explain. He just blurts out or does something crazy, and Picard orders they go along with it and doing so saves the ship. He trusts Data that much and deeply believes that he would never have to question Data's loyalty to the ship and crew, or act in a malicious manner. This situation shakes that belief. Picard is clearly frustrated, but you can see it manifests as a sadness rather than an anger. Data's even attempting to tell Picard in his own way that he has a reason for the way he's acting, and Picard knows this - but his hands are tied by protocol and he's extremely troubled by it.
Data is the closest thing to a son that Picard ever had. The only person in my opinion Picard has a deeper relationship with is Guinan.
Asking Data what he would do was brilliant.
Good Lord, that carpet is 90s.
3:13 that’s a small piece of the dialogue that makes no sense and was added for the extra drama.
"Captain, do I really have to spell this out for you?"
Jesus, I should be commanding my own starship instead of this clown. (Data thinking to himself)
In Measure of a Man, Picard himself proves that Starfleet cannot strip Data “down to his wires.” 🤷♂️
there, a scientist wanted 2 dismantle data 4 'research' purposes. here, Jean-Luc suspects Data is engagin in dereliction of duty d/t an alien force exploitin his android systems. thats y he makes the threat /jmo
At least nobody asked for a triple fried egg sandwich with chili sauce and chutney.
Such a great show.
Tremendous acting right there
A lot of this could have been mitigated if Picard was in on it from the start. Like if he was also spared from the memory wipe. A lot of people would have wondered about the various clues, but Picard could have ultimately said to not go back. And eventually most people would have forgot about it.
The beings that threatened the Enterprise would not trust that.
The moment Data said his unwillingness to help in the investigation up to and including his death should have told Picard everything he needed to know that some mysteries are not worth solving.
"They're xenophobes, Sir. They erased the crew's memories and will kill us if we return, so we should leave."
"That's fair."
One thing you can count on Data: he’s thorough and doesn’t lie (much).
'The Measure of a Man' ensured he wouldn't be stripped down to his wires!
Picard should have asked _himself_, why would Data deny a direct request to answer a question? willingly.
such a brilliant episode!
Nice episode. It wasn't easy to figure out what was going on. Despite the crew's fear and mistrust against their usually loyal friend, they managed to resolve the problems through detective work and diplomacy.
Is this the episode where parts of the plot and dialog happened repeatedly?
No, that was the episode where the Enterprise kept blowing up. That one was excellent, too.
2:00 just say it Data, “The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the One”.
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
Mr Data is beautiful intelligent wonderful and inspiring 😇
This was a good episode, but honestly if Data had just taken Picard into his ready room and explained what was going on, Picard would have trusted him and not gone back to the planet.
But then, we wouldn't have had this great episode.
Data is the most human officer in that ship
One of my favourite episodes!
imagine how freaky that would be for picard.
1:25 - He calls her "Diana."
"which would you place first, the welfare of an individual..."
Me: "Yes."
One of my top Tens
Data doesn't have friends, an 'it' can't have friends, or a 'career'.
what's even sadder is, they came at him with all this proof of falsified evidence, but in reality, most of it was falsified by them, not him.
"No it's not. I did a quick Google search and found this image."
This was a good episode but.... i cannot get the thought out of my head that Data just looks like a child getting in trouble for throwing erasers in class.
The golden age of entertainment.
Your intro is great
😂 roasting, together DATA did not I am Spartacus
i think what data was saying was that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. or the one.
'They'll strip you down to your wires to find out what happened to you'.
'As long as they leave my screwdriver and bolts alone, then I'm fine with that.'
Data trapped by a super-injuction situation
Compare Picard in this scene with the harsh dressing down he gave to Wesley Crusher in "The First Duty", or Riker in "The Pegasus". Unlike with those two, there's no ambition or sense of self-worth for Picard to put pressure on, and he knows it. He appeals to Data's conscience with the Deanna Troi, and Data responds calmly. Almost helplessly, he tries using some form of logic - "put yourself in my position; what would you have me do?".
It's even more striking given that last line - neither Riker nor Crusher would be dissected as a result of their actions.
Back when startrek was good
Krebs law:.. networks that 🔥together wireless lyrics get along.
I love beans too.
Love this scene up to point that picard threatens Data with stripping him down to his components. Not the same man that fought for him in Measure of a Man.
I think you've missed the point of Picard's remark. He was worried about what could have happened to Data as a consequence of his actions. He wasn't threatening him.
Data through in a "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few" in disguise.
Something that always bothered me about this is what Picard said about Data being stripped down to his wires to find out what happened. This, after the earlier episode where Data's personhood was confirmed... it all seems quite contradictory to me.
Stripped down to your wires. I get a visual of 3CPO from somewhere far, far away.
Your duty seems clear sir
This is two amazing and intelligent individuals basically saying fuck you to each other.
when you catch genAI selling you tales for facts
Star Trek T N G Clues , How Data protects The Enterprise . In this video Data is only following a direct order from Picard.
In this video I thought Data was very creative with words just to avoid answering a question even when ordered to do so.
Great episode!
This is after "Measure of a Man" - so surely they couldn't "strip him down to his wires"?
Picard slips into a little bit of bigotry at the end; Starfleet would have no right to "strip him down to his wires" given that they've recognized him as sentient.
Damn data was in a bind
Data goes to the wall, unyielding. Do you trust him? He has taken control of the ship before, and endangered a child. Still, you know him. Would he willingly lie? Is he being controlled? Tough call.
wait a second... "stripped down to your wires"?? was this before or after his rights as an individual were put in place?
Why the hell do you want beans for? What an odd request. I thought everyone can afford a can of beans.
It's a shame no one will ever know what Data was willing to sacrifice (his career, possibly his own safety, as at that point, while he did win his rights, with the help of PIcard and Riker, is still tenuous) to save the crew. I wonder if somewhere in the back of their minds, a part of their brain remembers it.
He did
What episode does Picard say the word: Subscribe?
It’s a mutiny, get the wire strippers!
The carpet in that room is hideous.
Data's replies remind me of the scene in Shrek when Gingerbread man is being interrogated
But, without the gum drops.
The most ChatGPT-sounding mf'ing dialogue ever.
Everything in this episode was excellent except for Marina Sirtis and her depiction of the bad guys. This was far from her finest work. This was, however, among Spiner's best work.
Wrong questions. The question should be, "Why can you not answer my questions?"
Data the lawyer
Datas smarter than just copying and pasting a planets pic
When data refused to obey a direct order, Picard needed a step back and think what would cause data to refuse to obey a direct order? Something is not right here. A Court martial would gain them nothing. Even stripping him down to his wires would gain them nothing. Picard needed to exercise some rational thinking. Because if data refuses a direct order the reasons for that refusal would be extreme.
You ordered me not to disclose the time period to anyone, including you, during the time period in question. Is that sufficient, captain? Hell yes, let’s warp the F outta here.
I like Worf, but I wish they found a way to incorporate Data into DS9.
I do not envy Data in this situation
Why strip the guy down to his wires?! He is lifeform not a machine.
what's with the frame rate?
What season and episode?
He could have just told him there was a planet there that wanrs to be left alone. Picard would have respected it.
Honestly he couldve trusted Picard and Senior officers and told them the truth. Then they couldve detoured away from that planet
why is this clip in 15 fps?