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Billy Beane has a sit down with the owner of the Boston Red Sox, John Henry.
Moneyball. Brad Pitt stars in this film about Oakland A's general manager Billy Beane and his attempt to put together a baseball club on a budget by employing computer-generated analysis to draft his players. Oakland A's general manager Billy Beane (Brad Pitt) challenges the system and defies conventional wisdom when his is forced to rebuild his small-market team on a limited budget. Despite opposition from the old guard, the media, fans and their own field manager (Philip Seymour Hoffman), Beane - with the help of a young, number-crunching, Yale-educated economist (Jonah Hill) - develops a roster of misfits…and along the way, forever changes the way the game is played.
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What’s great about this movie, is the dialogue seems so organic. How people actually talk.
Thank Aaron Sorkin
@@whaddup5417 that’s daddy Aaron Sorkin to you
Only Sorkin thing missing is they are sitting and talking not walking down the hall
It’s interesting they met in the press box. Why not meet in Henry’s office?
@@phreload1 his office is prob used to convey power, in this case he’s trying to recruit him not intimidate him
The look he gives him AFTER he sees the number was priceless, and you cut it short.
Call me ludacrious, but I believe Arliss Howard in this scene gives one of the great acting performances ever. It's the most authentic dialogue I've ever heard. I genuinely thought they cast a real person for the role, and not an actor, until I realized who it was much later. It's a stunningly good scene. Best in the entire film I say.
I agree. One of those little scenes, that nonetheless give context and greater meaning to the whole movie. A superlative performance.
Ironic that one of the most underrated actors in hollywood is in a movie about the most underrated players in baseball
Agree with all of it.
Icing on the cake is the fact Arliss Howard played the adult Smalls at the end of The Sandlot.
Yep. You not wrong
One thing this movie completely fails to mention is that while the 2002 A's starting lineup was not going to frighten you, their starting pitching rotation (big 3) was arguably the best in the American League that year. Billy Beane aside, the A's have to give a lot of credit to Zito, Hudson and Mulder.
Then again, that was part of the plan too. Pay for pitching, draft the best guys you can. All were drafted out of college.The A’s drafted Zito twice. They drafted pitchers high.
And Tejada
You have to score runs to win games.
To the people who make this comment, I say the same thing every time: read the book. It is easiest to understand once you understand that it is written by a business journalist. The book talks about how important it was to draft well, but it also says that they could rarely keep players once their six seasons were up and they went to free agency. Therefore, it was about finding the missing pieces with their budget. Understand value investing, and you will understand Moneyball.
they obviously had a great team and great players, you don't keep winning without them. The point was that how teams were deciding what made good players was wrong. There was more to the story. These were great players who were horribly undervalued because they didn't fit the paradigm that was in place. They were able to build a great team really cheap because of it. The scouts had convinced themselves they knew the secrets of baseball and knew what did, and what did not, make a good player. They were wrong, and nobody likes to be told they are wrong, especially when their livelihood depends on them being right, on them being the oracles.
That`s Cowboy from Full Metal Jacket
Impossible .....joker was kia in hue city.
Ahhh! That’s where I know him from!
We were there, samie same.
@@markrobertson6664 He also played the grown-up version of the "New Kid", being an announcer of a ball game at the end of The Sandlot. :)
Holy dogshit it is
That little folded piece of paper said 12.5 million over five years which would have made him the highest paid GM in the history of sports.
Lol that was more than 1/4 of the A's roster
@@karlg1535 Stanton, Cole and Chapman make more than the Tampa Bay Rays.
He should have taken the money.
He rejected the offer because the guy didn’t know what a scarf was.
Not exactly...what the film doesn't tell you is that the Boston contract was contingent on many factors like World Series and pennant wins. Billy would have had to climb uphill to get that money and there was no guarantee that he would get all of that money in the end. The movie is going to romanticize the idea that Billy was honorable and stayed in Oakland, but the truth is that Billy turned it down because it was the smart thing to do.
If this movie is truly reflective of Beane's personality and mentality, then Henry might have had a better chance recruiting him with a much smaller offer. I think the $12.5M scared Beane off, bringing up too many bad memories of the original player recruitment contract he signed out of high school.
imho billy was an idiot not to take it.
@@venezo321 I agree, but you have to remember the emotional baggage he has attached to a big money offer. Once burned, twice shy.
@@imasspeons yea but u gotta be real about the amount he was offered, he wouldnt have to worry about money again in his life, just enjoy what he does and to me thats a hell of a lot of "baggage" off his shoulders, hell, not worrying about money in their life time is what every1 wants.
@@venezo321 emotional decisions aren't rational, at times.
@@imasspeons agreed. He learned not to chase money, plus, I imagine it’s factually accurate in the movie... he turns the truck around when thinking about being in Boston and leaving his daughter behind in CA
This is my favorite scene from Fury.
It's the worst scene. Integrity and inventiveness should be rewarded. You really think a big budget is unethical? Or Billy doesn't deserve 41 mil? Or you can only have success sticking it to the rich? Billy had a chance to prove something with the Sox. Try to think what that might be.
Me too.. This was just before the Germans rocked up, such a powerful scene.. 👍
This or the crossroads scene yea!
I love it when Arliss Howard gets on the 40 cal.
The fact that sports handicappers used this type of analysis for decades & nobody in the game of baseball did before is incredible.
Sports thinking is often medieval. Mostly because sports team organizations are primarily nepotistic good ol boy networks.
Look at what Nottingham Forest did in the early 1980s...that was a version of money ball decades before this example. Yet analytics wouldn't become a major part of world football until the mid 2000s. NOW all the big teams use it and benefit from it. But back then...the good ol boys couldn't understand how some eggheads could help them.
To a certain extent, sports commentary is just now catching up to this revolution as the good ol boys retire out of that industry.
For those who don't know, this is Pvt Cowboy from Full Metal Jacket!
He's also Mr. Debra Winger. Triumph.
Such an inspiring scene. I sometimes need to hear John Henry's words (via Private Cowboy) to not get discouraged when one faces hurdles to challenging the norm and making things better.
Right in the first few seconds you get the contrast between the Red Socks and the A's budget and sheer scale. Of course, there's Fenway Park that dwarfs Oakland's. But more so is the coffee that's being brought to them on two silver platers by a young beautiful woman. Compared to Billy coming in each morning asking his secretary (not so young anymore) if the pot is on (which happened at least two times before in the movie).
nice catch
Oakland's stadium and field are both bigger than Fenway. And they seat roughly the same amount of people. Not sure what you're talking about.
Naw......not a fair comparison. This meeting was special, this isn't everyday with the Boston organization, or any ball club.
@@kendallevans4079 That's exactly my point lol
@@falloutworldrecord No, it's not! MY point is this Red Sox dude is putting on the dog and pony show to impress Beane! He doesn't get coffee on a silver platter everyday! It's a show to impress.....
every time I watch these clips I find new things to reflect on... Here the Red Sox owner has a great conversation with Pitt, but in the end his results, metrics, and overall value is expressed numerically by how he with a small budget produced so much.
One of the greatest movies I have ever seen.
Great movie, but I feel like this is about the 6th movie you've ever seen.
@@ItsSerialBoX world doesn't give a shit about what you *feel*.
@@ItsSerialBoX I agree. Cool premise, but the writing is just passable
@@ImranSahir1 The world doesn't give a shit that you think its one of the greatest. Its definitely not. Says "just about anyone who has seen more than 6 movies"
WOW you guys have terrible taste Imran, trust me if you watch the movie "The Other Guys" I guarantee you will have a new favorite.
Love this scene. Private Cowboy makes it. Brad Pitt just happens to be in it.
@Joe snuffy I can hack it... I can hack it....
i totally did not see that until u pointed it out lol
I'm smiling because the acting is soo good.
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Arliss Howard is incredible in this scene
Agreed, it's a fantastic little cameo. Almost documentary style.
he really is amazing here. i actually didn't know it was him until some time later
Had no idea who it was - just that his acting seems quite natural. No pretense to it. Believable. Good diction and inflections.
@@strats991 it's good acting because he looks like a real person trying to act.
I don't know baseball, but as a management major, I think the thing that people tend to misunderstand about this movie is that "moneyball" is not a completely upside down way of thinking. You don't suddenly say good players are bad or bad players are good. But its about using scientific metrics over intangible factors. The NBA has the same flaws. People talk about "Closers" and "Killer mentalities" and players who lack discipline etc. None of these matter because they are subjective. They are false narratives created by dinosaurs in the media. Everything can be narrowed down to a science. We don't need to talk about that look in LeBron James' eye when we literally have solid statistics and metrics that detail how good he is in game and end-game situations.
The one thing I detest is how they portrayed the scouts vs analytics thing as an adversarial relationship. Thats exactly the OPPOSITE of how it has to work. You use the analytics to refine down to a pool of possible talents that you have your scouts evaluate. You then take the refined pool of evaluated talents and apply selected analytics to that to further sus out important distinctions to help make better decisions. The scouts and the analysts have to be in sync for the system to work.
I would argue that the analytics approach was successful with the A's BECAUSE of their already talented scouting network. Not in spite of it.
lebron james isn't paid millions because of the look in his eye, he gets paid because of tangible results.
Ask Daryl Morey of the Rockets how great those analytics worked for him. Guy built a team with a computer based on stats, number of 3’s taken, uptempo possessions, etc. Never worked out for him. Meanwhile, that “killer instinct” and “look in their eyes” was getting Kobe and LeBron rings during the same time. Go look at the look in LeBron’s eyes during game six against the Celtics in 2012, Giannis’ 55 to win the chip closing it out with a killer instinct, go look and come back and tell me some old ways we’ve always graded players don’t have legitimacy to them.
"You're killing me Smalls..."
Arliss just has one of those voices you could listen to all day
billy turned it down, since that offer the red sox have been to 4 world series, won them all, and been to the playoffs 11 out of 19 years. getting ownership away from the yawkey's was key.
Only 11 out of 19 years? That's not all that great considering the Red Sox payroll...is it?
@@dclark142002 I mean even if you have a giant payroll it is no guarantee of success. Look at the Yankee's they spend a lot and they have missed the postseason too.
Just realized the actor playing John Henry played Cowboy in Full Metal Jacket, decades earlier. Wild.
A Beautiful Movie and Brad Pitt was Soo good in it. Billy Bean is an Inspirational Legend indeed.
You could be the strongest, you could be the fastest, but the smartest and most adaptive will catch up to you
Arliss Howard is great
Sometimes the best present is opening up yourself as a gift to your loved ones instead of bottling yourself up......
i cannot picture john henry having this conversation without being socially awkward
First guy thru the wall always gets bloody?
Was that an unintentional cowboy reference?
Someone already mentioned this, but just to reiterate with a particular point stressed: That piece of paper had an offer for $12.5 million. According to the movie, that would make Billy Beane the highest paid general manager in sports. Not baseball - SPORTS. That means outdoing the top offers in every other sport, including NFL-level money.
@2:30 Great take on society too. People freak out over change.
Yeah when he said that bit about change I thought of politics. You want to change ONE thing in the USA, just one, and you have tens of millions of people up in arms about it. Take universal healthcare for example, there are still a lot who oppose it and think the current system is better somehow despite costing them more money and still being a big pain to deal with in terms of what's covered, deductibles, and the whole 9 yards.
And the Fenway Sports Group rebuilt Liverpool F.C using Moneyball analysis techniques that were tailored for football.
@Ben They also traded away Mookie. FSG doesn't always get it right lol
@Ben And got a player whos value at the time was deemed insane and now worth at least double, proving how effective it is... Had they used scouts they would have signed someone else for that money and not got the same output. Same with Salah, Michael Edwards talks about Salah and moneyball, Salah was 4th on the list from scouts, behind players like Dybala, but the stats showed that Salah wasted a lot of energy running backwards but still found himself in more goal scoring positions that any other RW in football. The stats showed Salah was the best fit, worked out pretty well in the end.
@Ben
Wow, one player.
@Ben they received 140 million for coutinho 4 months before that ,what’s your point ?
@@blueshky in hindsight it wasn't a bad move
Billy Beane wanted to change the game. Boston won without him and the game never changed. Plus Beane is still in Oakland, respected and rewarded with an ownership stake. Boston has had 6 GM’s since then. Sometimes money isn’t the answer, Billy knew that by the time he met with Henry.
And its not like he was poor. He was paid well for his job. At a certain point more money isn't better, its just more.
You say the 6 GMs like it's a bad thing. The Sox still managed to win 4 rings from 2004-18.
Boston used the principles the A's used if memory serves where they cared about on base percentage when dealing in free agency. They could just do it better because Boston is one of the biggest markets so they have way more cash to throw around versus Oakland with their comparatively tiny market and payroll.
Many different GMs can mean a lot of things. Getting 12.5 million for 5 years is a pretty great deal for any GM that you can retire on it.
You do realize Theo Epstein did what many believed was impossible! He brought World Series Championships to the two most snake bit franchises in the history of baseball, the Red Sox and the Cubs! He destroyed two curses! 🤔
@@dstreetz91 But you have not the same restriction as GM as a player. You can earn a fifth of that and just stay in the job you like until you are 60 and you still have enough money so that your children and your grandchildren are set for life.
Nice to see cowboy again.
"The people holding the reins...."..
That says a lot.
If I'm Barry Zito and I'm reading Moneyball, I'm wondering how my Cy Young winning season 23-5 season only merits a paragraph in the story, while Chad Bradford gets 40 pages.
First, wins and losses are overrated. Second,
They had top notch pitching, but aside from Foulke, they had ZERO bullpen and it killed them from 00-03. Getting someone like Bradford was big.
Because one was expected to be a good pitcher and he was one and one wasn’t wanted by anyone and did well... And that’s kind of the point if the book. To write about a high draft pick that played well isn’t really the point. We already know that...
Because Money Ball and sabremetrics isn’t about pitching.
You cut the tape 5 seconds short!
Wish somebody would “Moneyball” reality at large
He was so right. Just like what Billy experienced with his scouts and coaches. They were all fighting him because it threatened their way of life.
My favorite scene from this movie
Magnificent view
He sounds like Sam Waterson.
Ahem: He sounds like Owen Wilson.
2:11 WOW this is shockingly relevant in January 2022.
Oh if you could go back in time Billy
So did their statistics approach to baseball end up changing how teams are built?
Not only did it change baseball, it changed all the major professional sports.
Yes - you could even say his approach led to the development of analytics used in most sports today.
It actually changed all sports. Teams started paying a lot of attention to individual stats. Heck the MLB, NFL, NBA and the NHL began to hire more math and statistics majors with no athletic backgrounds at all. The NY Yankees for example have as much statisticians on their payroll as much as they have scouts.
My brother (Math major at UT) actually got invited for an interview for the Astros via LinkedIn in 08. Even though he never played baseball in his life.
And John Henry since bought an English football club which is now competing for a historic quadruple of competitions. He seems to be quite good at this kind of thing.
But that's not because of some scientific formula but because he has one of the best managers in the world. If Klopp wasn't at Liverpool, Liverpool would struggle to get Top 4 consistently.
@@JSmellerM Agreed. And who recruited Klopp to Liverpool? I'm not saying John Henry's a sports genius, just that he seems rather good at the business of sport.
Could not have been acted out better.
Wow
Thats Scotty Smalls as an adult from The Sandlot!!! Ironic!
Turns out - he should have made that offer to Peter Brand.
from 2:18 fits so perfectly... what is actually happening now with Wall Street and GameStop. How Wall Street is panicking now.
we're still in here fighting
Thought the same thing 😂😂
Not really
Actually. Not really. Gamestop is an over-valued P.O.S. There are at least two online video providers that are 'slicker' than Gamestop.
Lol keep believing that most of the people buying into those stocks are in collusion with the big investors, and a lot of comments are bots that set up the sell and buy of the stock.
There's not one horse in the stadium... something wrong with that...
5 bucks.
"I just lost in five for the second year in a row" - isn't this wrong? This conversation takes place after the 2002 season. The Oakland A's had lost the previous THREE ALDS series, all in 5 games. Yankess in 2000 and 2001 and Twins in 2002.
The rays are a couple Tweeks from a dynasty at 38 million following this formula
DISLIKE
who cuts this clip before the last few lines.
12.5 million. Not bad for a high school graduate.
2:13
The movie is great the book is better only if you like to know more details about everything they showed in the movie.
When you learn that dude is cowboy from Full Metal Jacket.
Nothing. My offer to you is nothing :D
Not even fee for gaming license
Lol very good.
And he should have took the offer.
Private Cowboy!
Billy deane coming to lfc
Part of you wanted him to take the offer and part of you didn't. I'm still on the fence.
1:14
That's a time stamp if ever I did see one.
He should have taken the offer (and the money).
How many zeros do you think that offer had??
8 figures apparently. 15 mill I believe.
@@markm734 is that yearly?
FSG is the true villain of the story and in real life
I think the Red Sox watched this movie when they decided to hire Chaim bloom
He should have taken that offer.
Someday, they'll make a movie as such, with John Henry making a similar talk to Jürgen Klopp
.. and when John Henry pins up an offer in a slip like this, Jürgen would smile and walk away without even peeping, telling his agent will take care of the numbers as he's not really in it for the money..
I think an HBO movie about the Super League wouldn't be bad, and they could get this guy to play Henry.
The reality is this should have been done from the start & is just common sense even if you have money. Just common sense.
Absolutely. Should have taken the money!
Eh he’s still the gm of the a’s gets to live by his daughter in the Bay Area I’m sure he’s at peace with his choice
I was thinking that too. But Schott, the owner of the As stood by Billy and didn't fire him despite his poor initial results at the beginning of the season and went along with what seemed like a lot of ridiculously stupid moves Billy was making, trading and sending down key players. Especially when those moves were completely contrary to the head coach's wishes. Schott exhibited extreme loyalty and stood behind those decisions dispite what was likey an extreme amount of contrary advise from practically everyone else involved in the organization, inside and out. So Billy returned that loyalty in spades. It wasn't about the money. It was about loyalty and the return of that loyalty. Something that's practically non existent these days. That's how I interpreted it anyway.
The movie didn't really go over this but the book did. The scene at the beginning where a young Billy B. accepted the offer from Mets to forgo Stanford and go into the Mets system at 18 was the biggest mistake of Billy's life, according to Billy. He said he did it for the money, he wasn't ready, maturity wise, for the jump to the majors, it ruined his playing career and he told himself he would never make that mistake again, just doing it for the money. The best thing for him at the time, like @Fox Noel said, was to be near his daughter and stay with the A's. In his mind, going to the BoSox was about the money and he didn't do it. If you loved the movie, you will love the book.
@@broncoremy I could not agree more. And yet ... he should have taken the money.
Should have taken the offer, brought Pete to work with Bill James and enjoyed 4 plus rings over 15 years. His daughter would have seen plenty of him.
You know he regrets not taking that deal. It's noble that he's trying to win with the A's but i think he made a mistake there.
The movie shows why though. His daughter in California. Can’t buy back the time he’d miss being across country
@@jackpotjoey8828 He also can't win a championship with the A's so agree to disagree I guess. 😂
@@mjrd1978 Maybe but for a GM he has as close to job security as you can get in sports. If he had gone to the Red Socks and not won in just a couple of years then he would most likely have been fired, with the A's he still getting promoted.
@@Maverick512000 Yeah that's a good point.
@@mjrd1978 I agree that his original goal was championship at all costs. But this season, beating all the odds and helping blaze a new trail, plus his daughter, and then... the connection they slow in the movie where as he’s thinking about accepting the Boston job but keeps going back to skipping college to chase the big bucks...his ultimate goal shifted
I love how he opens up the conversation by asking Brad Pitt's character about what to buy his assistant. It's a total bullshit question, and if Pitt's character actually keeps answering it, he knows he's a schmuck. He doesn't fall for it, hence continues to his more serious line of inquiry and to offer the general manager job.
I would think it be rude to not answer his question or maybe I'm not thinking like you. 😂
@@inouskehashibira1045 Nah you're fine, Gunos is just pesimistically armchairing an interpretation. You can be helpful enough to want to answer such a question while still being every bit the kind of person that the man wants for a GM. Honestly I've met many well to do people that are all but clueless about how to handle mundane things. Both because they've had people handle for them and because they don't really know the people well enough but have the means and will to do something for them.
@@machinech183 nah, sometimes managers ask questions just to see HOW you answer..my take from the exchange is that Billy is a bit of a dick, a smartass, but ultimately all about winning and getting it done
@@inouskehashibira1045 He _does_ answer the question by suggesting a scarf… but when asked an inane follow up question like where to buy one he immediately cuts to the chase.
You cut that clip perfectly - at the exact moment everyone wanted to see. Just so I'd click "next." Shady. Greedy.
The sliderman hashtag is really why we are all here right?
I hope Denise liked that bowling ball.
You mean like wool?
5x12.5M per year
Wasnt it 17.5m?
@@scott3594 not to my knowledge
@@cann0nball100 that was not an annual amount. I believe ... it was over 5 years.
@@motley331 correct. Hence the "5x..."
It was 2.5 mil a year over 5 years, when he rejected it they offered 25 mil over 5 years, he didnt answer.
3 dollar fitty.
Billy should have taken the deal,
and they won the ws in the end anyways
IT WASNT HIS MODELL
Four fiddy
2:18-2:42 sounds like the establishment response to Trump
COWBOY!
He should have taken the contact, stipulated that its a 1 year contract only then quit. Go back to his daughter and find another similar job near her(assuming money is no object).
Bucks. NBA. Nuf said.
@Chandler White plus teams like the bucks have the money to sign a player to a supermax contract, and have a good amount leftover, not in the mlb
This movie proved one thing. The team with more money always wins. Sports is a joke
He’s wrong about money buying the luxury to disregard others. The owners are 100% in bed with each other in advancing their common interests .
Unless you are willing to be ''born back ceaselessly into the past..''' like Fitzgerald's republic, you gotta learn and adapt. The muscles, the skills, the neurons that have to quicken to keep you relevant get tired, get coated with goo, , entropy sets in.
BTW, , this sure ain't ''The Natural'' is it? No small town boy makes good story, , , it's about corporate baseball.
This isn’t Spider-Man.
WACK.
Two of the best moves the Red Sox didn't make were missing out on Bernie Williams and missing on Billy Beans overated system which produced no titles.
In other words, Buy Bitcoin
Guy is a great owner but clueless about chics
Remembering the birthday of the person serving you coffee is pretty thoughtful IMO. As for picking a present isn't almost everyone bad at that if they don't know the person really well.
Except the Red Sox won by signing those big overpriced stars.
Not exactly - they developed players like Lester, Bogarts, Betts, Devers, traded for Varitek and Lowe, neither overpriced, and combined them with stars. Pedroia and Ellsbury, both rookies, helped them win it in 2007 and, in 2013, they won with moderately priced players like Jonny Gomes.
@@matthewgallagher1761 Ortiz and Manny do not count I guess or neither does Chris sale or Kimberley
@@aryehfried9125 Ha, you're talking to the wrong guy about the Red Sox - I follow them religiously, read the Boston Globe everyday, and know their farm system too (watch out - because they're going to be back in a WS sooner than later).
First, Ortiz was let go by the Twins after the 2002 season - Sox picked him up for nothing - and he only got a big contract later on. Only Manny was the big free agent of the four guys you name. Sale was brought to the Sox via trade and they gave up a lot for them. Kimbrel was also brought over via trade. I mean, they're a big market club so they're going to sign free agents, just like every other high payroll team does, but they developed a core group of young players - Betts, Bogie, Andy B, Devers, Pedroia, Ellsbury - that helped them win championships. And the new Red Sox GM is doing that again. Sorry Yankees and Mets fans, lol!
@@matthewgallagher1761 you sound like a good sheep.
@@eyesforthewise No, I think for myself, you punk, but I understand when you're not that bright you make one-line dumb insults about someone you don't know. Behind your keyboard. Like a coward. And a punk.
Such a terrible ending.
Acts 2:21
King James Version
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.