Jim Oikonomou What's stupid about it is expecting that it will happen and he'll be the reason for it. Although, judging from the looks of your comment, you're not being serious
Would've been amazing to see Waver's priceless expression if only he knew the young man in front of him was the badass who killed the fearsome murderer of his beloved "king"
Lmao absolutely not, so you're going to tell me that Gilgamesh who was sucking the souls out of dusty orphans for mana is the same as a full spirit Gilgamesh who had a trained magus as a master? Anyone who has read the VN should know that the Ea he utilizes in FSN is waves below the one used in Zero lol he was most definitely weaker never spout nonsense again please.
Well... technically Tokiomi was only average as a Magus, and even Rin had more 'potential' than he did. Even Zelretch considered the Tohsaka line to be mediocre. One half decent magus versus dozens of full time mana battery humans... its hard to say exactly how much mana Gil had on hand.... but it's largely an irrelevant point. Even if we assume Gil had the same amount of mana as he did in Zero... he would NEVER consider using Ea on Shirou directly, under normal circumstances. So the morality play still goes off like it did... with Gil being too arrogant to use his weapon the way he used it in Zero.
But I mean In SE eyes and how he was raised by his father it does make sence, his father was exact opposite of him but still sometimes can not forget how stupid he sounds when he is talking like “People die when they get killed” someone made fun of him in UBW reference in Food wars “People get hungry If they dont eat” I really want to see Waver as one of the masters in future.
because most of the time, if some servant has his name spread to other masters, they have information on how to defeat the servant because they know how the servant dies or something like that, which means you know their weakness. this excludes gilgamesh though cus he can just sword spam and win if hes serious.
@@matthewwu971 well, Shirou changed his body with magic (eyes at least). Looks like this small guy's complexes really pushed him hard to learn something similiar XD
+dividebyzero817 Of course, but I think UBW's theme of heroism is an appropriate response to Kiritsugu's struggles with his ideal in Zero and prior. Archer saw the same flaw in the hero of justice as Kiritsugu did. Shirou sees the hell he would eventually walk into, but still chooses to fulfill the initial wish of saving someone. Unlike his predecessors, Shirou is absolutely determined to save everyone and not to sacrifice one for the many. Even Rin's decision to wade through the Grail to save Shinji, seems to be a crystallization of this resolve. The fact that Waver appears and reaffirms Shirou's path just seals it for me.
Colonel Sanders HF's approach to it seems just as valid tbh, and Shirou chooses a path unlike his predecessors in all of the three routes. UBW was just one of them, and it was set in between the brighter Fate route and the darker Heaven's Feel route. Shirou responds in character based on the situation presented to him in all three wildly differing routes. In a way, the Sakura route freed him from the burden of an ideal and left him to pursue a normal life that could be just as satisfying as pursuing a life of ideals, if not more so. I suppose it appeals to the more cynical side of myself, but wasn't the ideal also followed for the sake of Shirou's self interest? It's not like Shirou becomes a self righteous asshole either since he still cares about his loved ones, and the theme of family being important is explored through the Sakura/Rin and the Shirou/Illya relationship, both of which weren't present in UBW and with the theme in general having chronologically begun with Kiritsugu's devotion towards his own family. Waver kind of just repeated an idea that was in the original epilogue of the VN, though I prefer the VN with the line of "He is not strong. He is not strong at all. He fights risking his life, looking ugly and miserable. But... Who in the world can laugh at him?" from Archer's PoV over "That certainly is idiotic. But it is not humorous" by Waver.
While the above comment is probably a troll... I'll say it anyway. No one route is 'true' in the fate-verse... Nasu doesn't like the concept. But Ufotable did approach UBW from the angle of being a sequel to Zero. Thematically it fits well... Since Archer here is basically Kiritsugu 2.0 if you break down his story. SO its essentially Shirou overcoming the hurdles that stopped both his father and his alternate future self. It also neatly wraps up Sabers story, since Archer's/Shirou's story has parallels to hers. The only thing this anime doesn't really touch is the whole Zouken storyline from HF.
Yeah it's beautiful because each route is viable as "sequels" to Zero. - Fate's transformation of Saber from a cold hard king to an intimate human loving one, is most definitely a response to her hatred for Kiritsugu and the regrets with Lancelot and her past. She finally understands and accepts everything. - UBW's exploration of heroism is a response to Kiritsugu's lost dream. What if the torch was passed to one whose idea of heroism is more naive and optimistic? Archer shows where it all ends, but Shirou's reminding of where it began is what further fortifies the dream, and both men are able to walk proud in the end. - HF responds to the lost case of young Sakura. Kariya may have failed, but there comes another who loves and protects her even more fiercely. In a way, this could even be considered a response to Kiritsugu, being a hero doesn't mean you try to save everyone, you simply give everything to protect the ones around you. The only reason I said UBW is the most fitting is because Zero was primarily Kiritsugu's story. Yes we had the beginning of Sakura's despair, and Saber's desire, but remember that the series is mostly Kiritsugu getting the job done by mocking those very things, Diarmuid's honor is one strong example. Even the ending of Zero is the impactful silent death of Kiritsugu as he recalls the time of declaring his dream. The end of UBW with Velvet almost seems like a rhyming response. But then again, Zero WAS written after FSN, so whether Ufotable or I call one route more fitting or not, are just unofficial interpretations. Obviously Type-Moon means to give us that freedom rather than outright set things in stone.
I also wasn’t aware originally, but I hadn’t watched Zero when I had watched UBW xD (managed to watch both Apocrypha and UBW before deciding to watch Zero and things clicked into place heh)
From one of the interviews with Nasu-Kinoko, he said even after Waver found out Shirou has defeated Gilgamesh, Waver wouldn't really show much of any reaction to it. Nasu-Kinoko added, Waver would more likely be flipped off after finding out a game being delayed for release than anything related to Shirou. So technically "Gilgamesh was defeated by a human < Delay of a game's release date."
Id love to see an abridged version that makes shirou a lovable bumpkin like Goku but keep Waver 100% serious. Waver: So why are you here Shiro: Well when i killed Gilgamesh i only knew three spells. So i though how badass it would be if i learned a fourth. WV: You... When you what? SE: When i killed gilgamesh- WV: Gilgamesh... SE: Yeah. Blonde dude. Lotta swords. Kind of a dick. WV: .... ..... how. SE: well he had a lot of swords. So i made a lot of swords. And then he used a sword i couldnt copy... WV: ... and... SE: So i stabbed him. WV: ... SE: and he died. WV: ... SE: And now im here. And you know what? Wv: Tell me... SE, proudly: I know _five_ spells now.
Would be even better if they clip in fate zero clips of ionian hettairoi as of waver has ptsd. But keep shiro an idiot like SE: I'm gonna kill you Gil. Gil: go ahead and try faker SE: Do you know what happens when people are killed? Gil: ... SE: They die.
Make his reality marble chant like Im a boney sword I dont know what goes here I have made like.... six blades Unknown to ... something Not known to something else.... ummm Im gonna make lots of swords But they keep falling out of my hands So as I pray Unlimited Knife Works Rin: BLADE Artoria: BLADE SE: Blade! Unlimited Blade Work
HOLY CRAP! I'm so happy they did this! As soon as they showed that they were studying at the Mage's Association, I was like: They gotta show me Waver, right?! AND THEY DID! AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
I JUST FINISHED UBW AND I HAD TO LOOK FOR THE VID ON UA-cam TO SEE THE COMMENTS! I'm glad I'm not the only one who expected (and wanted) to see Waver ^^
"I imagine you were an outsider who got caught up in the ritual and missed his chance to get out" Just like his own past, he thought he could become something amazing by winning the war but was terrified when he realised what he had gotten himself into but hey I guess he did become something amazing
Waver is the most legendary character in Fate, and dare I say best one. He is just everything I like in an anime character, his ideals, his relationship with Iskandar(again dare I say but I think it's the best master-servant duo in Fate, they just have so much chemistry and without them Fate/Zero would be so much worse.), his personality and backstory too. Everything about him is my ideal of a perfect character.
After watching Fate/Zero it is such a nice scene. Basically Waver understood that him and Shiroe are really similar, maybe not with ideals, but with striving for their dreams :)
Different series but I feel the quote is pretty relevant. "A real man... oughta be a little stupid. Schemin' fuck like you... Could never stand on top." −Goda Ryuji
Kenneth Clemente Ubw was fake. Shirou couldn't win against Gilgamesh but Gilgamesh was nerfed. In reality, what waver did was the right thing by saying that he can't die and even Gilgamesh acknowledged that. If shirou would've been in fate zero, he would've been BODIED by everyone
@@arnavdass4695 er, no? Shirou at the end of UBW is an exceptionally powerful Magus in his own right. Other then Kerry and kirei, shirou stomps every other master.
MAN, do I want an animated series about "Lord El-Melloi II Case Files" after watching this scene! It would be so awesome seeing the adventures and investigations of grown up Waver! ^_^
Its here that I noticed the parallels between Shirou's and Waver's Command Seals. Both have a arrow/spear head theme but Waver's has spread its wings while Shirou's are still closed. Of course. There's the other detail being that Waver's tie during Fate/Zero just so happened to be in the color and pattern of Avalon. Which is another parallel, considering how Gray is effectively Waver's Servant throughout Case Files and Shirou is still carrying Avalon in his body.
I have always wondered, does someone actually talk like that? In the hallway, with the back to each other? And what if one of them decides to to just leave, wouldnt it be super awkward?
Now I want to spark up a conversation with you like this one, then tip toe away as you start to monologue and find yourself abandoned on what might have been a good point
everyone here is talking about how if only waver knew that shirou killed gilgamesh, but i want to see waver's face is he found out shirou is the son of the man who killed waver's mentor, especially after finding out waver hated but deeply respected his mentor after watching lord el-melloi
Theres no way someone as smart as Waver doesn't recognize the surname Emiya. Given that Waver gets involved with Tohsaka (and by extension Shirou) later on to dismantle the Greater Grail, it's a fair sure bet he knows who Shirou's father is.
@@Manima108 He's a teacher and one of the Clock Tower's top mages despite having the shittiest magic circuits out of all them He studies and grinds, that's Waver's singular trait
Waver's dialogue at the end about Shirou being "idiotic" was probably a poor translation. What was said in the VN (forgot which part) was closer to "It is certainly foolish, but definitely not to be taken lightly" (pertainingto Shirou's ideals.)
actually Shirou suppose to be 5 stars Muramasa merged with Shirou, like Zhuge Liang and Waver the 4 stars version is EMIYA (all letter in Capital) "Nameless Servant"
@@badendersgame Yes DW never say Muramasa is 5 stars But Waver, Rin, Sakura are 5 stars Maybe they will make Shirou a 5 stars servant too Since he's also the Main Character of FSN
Rewatching this after watching the Lord El-Melloi II Case Files, i think Waver was trying to see if shirou was the same as him, someone with not much magic potnetial and someone who didnt know what he was doing during the holy grail war, like him (poor bby has so little self confidence)
Talking with your Lecturer casually, back to back, than leave away with style even before your Lecturer let you leave ... Damn, College live in England is so damn cool ...
When unlimited blade works started, I already thought they needed this guy to show up as a cameo otherwise it was a missed opportunity. When I saw them head to this school, I knew they were going to do it. It was a great scene. I didn’t expect him to look this old but I guess I knew it was him straight away anyways because of how he showed up.
When I saw that scene I started crying and I don't know why😅. I've seen Zero first so I recognized him and when I heard him say "baka" I screamed a little 😅. I had missed my *favourite character* 😂😭❤
Some guy who barely knows any magic (and is a pretty big idiot) somehow defeats the strongest servant in the grail war. "Nothing to do with plot armor" K
@@ShiroKage-h8v It's a different person in deed, but the Zhuge Liang you're talking about in FGO is actually a Pseudo-servant using Waver's body and personality, so it's just Waver with Zhuge Liang's power
Waver: So what class was your servant? Shirou: Saber, King Arthur, Oh you must've met her because she said she also participated in the last- wait, Lord, why are you sweating? Grey: He nearly got Excalibur'd Shirou: How is he not sweating everytime he sees you Grey: That's what this hood is for
Strange, they both stood face to face Gilgamesh, one was being spared for life, another one is taken his life. Only Shiro could show you his back not you bruh...
Waver mocking Shirou's magecraft not knowing that who's he talking too basically has all the combat experience Archer Emiya has just without the magic circuits to fully utilize it.
He can only do basic magecraft. His tracing and projection come from his reality marble, which comes from his ideals and his origin being "sword" due to Avalon
![Fate Stay Night - Archer vs Lancer [1080p]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VxO_0UXejlc/mqdefault.jpg)
Waver has plenty of experience dealing with redheads who have stupid dreams.
Marcelo Capel Junior hahahaha damn right
Best comment in this comment section holy shit
WHAT IS STUPID ABOUT WANTING GLOBAL PEACE?
Jim Oikonomou What's stupid about it is expecting that it will happen and he'll be the reason for it. Although, judging from the looks of your comment, you're not being serious
Shirou EMIYA its something that is not achievable its a myth
Wow puberty hit Waver Velvet like a hurricane
Puberty hit him like Enuma Elish.
FeelsBadMan
It hit him like Rider used to flick him in the end 😂
Niehl0511 either he missed it the first time around or this is his 2nd puberty
he definitely missed it
i really want shirou to say
"i killed Gilgamesh"
and wait Velvets Reaction....
i think he already knows,he was the one that ended the grail war and he has branded a hero
Knowing Waver he's probably just going to squint and say "Good for you." with as much spite as he can muster, before proceeding to roll his eyes.
Archer killed him ( not the young shirou)
Waver doesn't care. Now tell him that a game he has been waiting for a year to be released is cancelled and he'll break down.
NS120121 or that Flat Escardos is in the US participating a HGW.
Would've been amazing to see Waver's priceless expression if only he knew the young man in front of him was the badass who killed the fearsome murderer of his beloved "king"
Say what you will about his personality.... what Shirou accomplishes more than lets him wear the title of Badass :P
He did it twice too.
A much weaker version
Lmao absolutely not, so you're going to tell me that Gilgamesh who was sucking the souls out of dusty orphans for mana is the same as a full spirit Gilgamesh who had a trained magus as a master? Anyone who has read the VN should know that the Ea he utilizes in FSN is waves below the one used in Zero lol he was most definitely weaker never spout nonsense again please.
Well... technically Tokiomi was only average as a Magus, and even Rin had more 'potential' than he did. Even Zelretch considered the Tohsaka line to be mediocre. One half decent magus versus dozens of full time mana battery humans... its hard to say exactly how much mana Gil had on hand.... but it's largely an irrelevant point.
Even if we assume Gil had the same amount of mana as he did in Zero... he would NEVER consider using Ea on Shirou directly, under normal circumstances. So the morality play still goes off like it did... with Gil being too arrogant to use his weapon the way he used it in Zero.
*"That is certainly idiotic."*
Me: Hahaha
*"But it's not humourous."*
Me: *quits laughing
Then Waver's hand goes straight through your monitor, grabs you and he says "stop laughing dammit"
But I mean In SE eyes and how he was raised by his father it does make sence, his father was exact opposite of him but still sometimes can not forget how stupid he sounds when he is talking like “People die when they get killed” someone made fun of him in UBW reference in Food wars “People get hungry If they dont eat” I really want to see Waver as one of the masters in future.
@@panzerkampfwagentigerausf.7452 well i want to see someone summon waver as servant XD
Can you please tell me the name of this anime ?
@@rhimeee295 I Watched fate zero and Watched fate stay night UBW
Rider would be so proud :')
It's too bad that Rider (aka Iskandar) isn't around to stay by his side, if he did. Both Waver and he would be very imposing duo in UBW :D
Wasnt Rider Alexandra the Great?
Shorif AK well yeah, but to hide his identity to the other masters, he named himself as one the names given to him by some country i dont know.
jack legends Why did he hide his true self from the others?
because most of the time, if some servant has his name spread to other masters, they have information on how to defeat the servant because they know how the servant dies or something like that, which means you know their weakness. this excludes gilgamesh though cus he can just sword spam and win if hes serious.
Waver definitely took Rider's advice.
He got taller?
:D
Damn right, that's definitely an extra, what, 30 - 40 cm?
@@matthewwu971 well, Shirou changed his body with magic (eyes at least). Looks like this small guy's complexes really pushed him hard to learn something similiar XD
He grew a staggering 29 cm, which is like. Nearly a whole foot. Sugoi.
This cameo leads me to believe that Ufotable treats UBW as the most fitting sequel to Zero.
It's not like they can't animate Rin's trial and Zelretch's appearance in the HF epilogue with Waver there as well.
+dividebyzero817 Of course, but I think UBW's theme of heroism is an appropriate response to Kiritsugu's struggles with his ideal in Zero and prior. Archer saw the same flaw in the hero of justice as Kiritsugu did. Shirou sees the hell he would eventually walk into, but still chooses to fulfill the initial wish of saving someone. Unlike his predecessors, Shirou is absolutely determined to save everyone and not to sacrifice one for the many. Even Rin's decision to wade through the Grail to save Shinji, seems to be a crystallization of this resolve. The fact that Waver appears and reaffirms Shirou's path just seals it for me.
Colonel Sanders HF's approach to it seems just as valid tbh, and Shirou chooses a path unlike his predecessors in all of the three routes. UBW was just one of them, and it was set in between the brighter Fate route and the darker Heaven's Feel route. Shirou responds in character based on the situation presented to him in all three wildly differing routes.
In a way, the Sakura route freed him from the burden of an ideal and left him to pursue a normal life that could be just as satisfying as pursuing a life of ideals, if not more so. I suppose it appeals to the more cynical side of myself, but wasn't the ideal also followed for the sake of Shirou's self interest? It's not like Shirou becomes a self righteous asshole either since he still cares about his loved ones, and the theme of family being important is explored through the Sakura/Rin and the Shirou/Illya relationship, both of which weren't present in UBW and with the theme in general having chronologically begun with Kiritsugu's devotion towards his own family.
Waver kind of just repeated an idea that was in the original epilogue of the VN, though I prefer the VN with the line of "He is not strong. He is not strong at all. He fights risking his life, looking ugly and miserable. But... Who in the world can laugh at him?" from Archer's PoV over "That certainly is idiotic. But it is not humorous" by Waver.
While the above comment is probably a troll... I'll say it anyway. No one route is 'true' in the fate-verse... Nasu doesn't like the concept.
But Ufotable did approach UBW from the angle of being a sequel to Zero. Thematically it fits well... Since Archer here is basically Kiritsugu 2.0 if you break down his story. SO its essentially Shirou overcoming the hurdles that stopped both his father and his alternate future self. It also neatly wraps up Sabers story, since Archer's/Shirou's story has parallels to hers.
The only thing this anime doesn't really touch is the whole Zouken storyline from HF.
Yeah it's beautiful because each route is viable as "sequels" to Zero.
- Fate's transformation of Saber from a cold hard king to an intimate human loving one, is most definitely a response to her hatred for Kiritsugu and the regrets with Lancelot and her past. She finally understands and accepts everything.
- UBW's exploration of heroism is a response to Kiritsugu's lost dream. What if the torch was passed to one whose idea of heroism is more naive and optimistic? Archer shows where it all ends, but Shirou's reminding of where it began is what further fortifies the dream, and both men are able to walk proud in the end.
- HF responds to the lost case of young Sakura. Kariya may have failed, but there comes another who loves and protects her even more fiercely. In a way, this could even be considered a response to Kiritsugu, being a hero doesn't mean you try to save everyone, you simply give everything to protect the ones around you.
The only reason I said UBW is the most fitting is because Zero was primarily Kiritsugu's story. Yes we had the beginning of Sakura's despair, and Saber's desire, but remember that the series is mostly Kiritsugu getting the job done by mocking those very things, Diarmuid's honor is one strong example. Even the ending of Zero is the impactful silent death of Kiritsugu as he recalls the time of declaring his dream. The end of UBW with Velvet almost seems like a rhyming response.
But then again, Zero WAS written after FSN, so whether Ufotable or I call one route more fitting or not, are just unofficial interpretations. Obviously Type-Moon means to give us that freedom rather than outright set things in stone.
Goddamn I didn't even realize the dude was Waver Velvet.
Best boi turned into a truck
Bro me to
I was looking through the comments to see if anyone else didn't notice that this dude was Waver. Thank god I'm not the only one
I also wasn’t aware originally, but I hadn’t watched Zero when I had watched UBW xD (managed to watch both Apocrypha and UBW before deciding to watch Zero and things clicked into place heh)
I love how Waver makes a cameo in Apocrypha as well. Such a great character.
BlueDrakmaVA well apo is a different like timeline
Huh! When buddy?
Ah..when the modred master went to the mage palace
Kairi is a cameo in case files too
My headcannon is that Shirou fucked up the entire timeline.
If only he knew Shirou beat the one that killed Rider from Zero
something tells me that he would try to maintain composure, only to have it suddenly just break in seconds.
From one of the interviews with Nasu-Kinoko, he said even after Waver found out Shirou has defeated Gilgamesh, Waver wouldn't really show much of any reaction to it. Nasu-Kinoko added, Waver would more likely be flipped off after finding out a game being delayed for release than anything related to Shirou. So technically "Gilgamesh was defeated by a human < Delay of a game's release date."
박시원 Another testament as to how bad Waver as character truly is.
Technically Shirou ran out of mana at the last second and Archer throws a sword into Gil's face from off-screen...
Pretty sure he knows anyway because Mage Association usually knows everything XD
Id love to see an abridged version that makes shirou a lovable bumpkin like Goku but keep Waver 100% serious.
Waver: So why are you here
Shiro: Well when i killed Gilgamesh i only knew three spells. So i though how badass it would be if i learned a fourth.
WV: You... When you what?
SE: When i killed gilgamesh-
WV: Gilgamesh...
SE: Yeah. Blonde dude. Lotta swords. Kind of a dick.
WV: .... ..... how.
SE: well he had a lot of swords. So i made a lot of swords. And then he used a sword i couldnt copy...
WV: ... and...
SE: So i stabbed him.
WV: ...
SE: and he died.
WV: ...
SE: And now im here. And you know what?
Wv: Tell me...
SE, proudly: I know _five_ spells now.
Mister Turk Turkle I want that version of Shirou XD
Water-Cement Racist you better be reading with 100% MAXIUM NO CHILL
If they ever finish UBW Abridged this should be a scene
Would be even better if they clip in fate zero clips of ionian hettairoi as of waver has ptsd. But keep shiro an idiot like
SE: I'm gonna kill you Gil.
Gil: go ahead and try faker
SE: Do you know what happens when people are killed?
Gil: ...
SE: They die.
Make his reality marble chant like
Im a boney sword
I dont know what goes here
I have made like.... six blades
Unknown to ... something
Not known to something else.... ummm
Im gonna make lots of swords
But they keep falling out of my hands
So as I pray
Unlimited Knife Works
Rin: BLADE
Artoria: BLADE
SE: Blade! Unlimited Blade Work
Waver... never changing. Still always a bitter character even after he grew some height.
i agree.
In his king's eyes he is still a small-well-respected-buddy-shrimp of a master.
then you should read el melloi 2 case files :)
Hes the kid with rider in fate stay night right
@@firstnamelastname7298 Fate Zero but yea, that's little Waver all grown up.
何がすごいって
声優が同じことだよね 浪川大輔さんすげーわ
パルーザLaLa それはすこい
パルーザLaLa まじですこいと思う
嘘やろ！？
ホンマ凄いよな
？？？？まじ？？？？
HOLY CRAP! I'm so happy they did this! As soon as they showed that they were studying at the Mage's Association, I was like: They gotta show me Waver, right?! AND THEY DID! AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
ikr same here. too bad rider wasnt with him in spirt like a stand
I wonder if he would name it 『The World』
Yeah, at first I also have a feeling that they're going to show waver
Nah dude, more like『Ionian Hetairoi』
I JUST FINISHED UBW AND I HAD TO LOOK FOR THE VID ON UA-cam TO SEE THE COMMENTS! I'm glad I'm not the only one who expected (and wanted) to see Waver ^^
「馬鹿げた話だが笑い話でも無い」ってところめっちゃいい。
これがあの卑屈だったウェイバーとはなぁ・・・
士郎に「英雄王サシで倒したぜ！」的なこと言ったあとの、ロードさんの顔見てみたい笑笑
エネル顔になりそう
何をバカなことを…って言いそう。
ありえない連呼しながら倒れそう
もし言ったとしても封印指定受けるだろうからなぁ...(マジレス)
@@とよりく-m7p さん
実際そうなる可能性高いのに時計塔にいる内は何故か平気なんですよね。
遠坂かその後ろ楯？のエルメロイ二世が上手く立ち回ってるのかはわかりませんけど。
THATS WAVER?! OMG PUBERTY HIT HIM LIKE A TRUCK! I didn't even noticed when I first watched this!
Kurokocchi 2nd puberty
Fun fact: Watch a video of Iskander summoning his reality marble for the first time then re-watch this. You should see something familiar
Just found out now I watched UBW like 4 months ago lmao
@@Nick-Terakidan What is it?
@@toppu10animes Waver looks almost like a character that appeared in the marble
"I imagine you were an outsider who got caught up in the ritual and missed his chance to get out"
Just like his own past, he thought he could become something amazing by winning the war but was terrified when he realised what he had gotten himself into but hey I guess he did become something amazing
Waver is the most legendary character in Fate, and dare I say best one. He is just everything I like in an anime character, his ideals, his relationship with Iskandar(again dare I say but I think it's the best master-servant duo in Fate, they just have so much chemistry and without them Fate/Zero would be so much worse.), his personality and backstory too. Everything about him is my ideal of a perfect character.
The best master and servant will always be kadoc and anastasia and waver really is a hardworking man he saved so many masters
Agree, bro
@@Eltunum-x26maybe he meant only in anime
Thanks for killing goldie for me.
士郎の 切嗣への憧れは、エルメロイの征服王への尊敬に通じるものがあるからこそ理解したのだろうな
自分の信じたものを信じたい。そのために自分の人生を使いたいって言うのがウェイバーに響いたんだろうね。
After watching Fate/Zero it is such a nice scene. Basically Waver understood that him and Shiroe are really similar, maybe not with ideals, but with striving for their dreams :)
After Fate/Stay Night: *"Who is this dude? Is he a villain?"*
After Fate/Zero: *"I’VE SHOULD KNEW IT BEFORE!"*
How it feels watching SN before zero
That's some terrible english
WTFPoniesftw and it should be “English”
@@trytowaitforyou6812 it's not English it's Engrish
Lol yeah i just finished UBW, and never watched zero before... Soo think im gonna start watch zero now
正義の味方=ヒーローと考えれば、
ヒーロを知る者とヒーローになろうとする者の邂逅か。
素晴らしいな。
Waver went from "ill take your daughter home before 9" to "Sorry your daughter calls me daddy to"
こうして第四時聖杯戦争の生き残りと第五時聖杯戦争の生き残りの会話はなかなかにしてすこ
勝者じゃないのに唯一まともに生き残ったウェイバー
@@tamasabro95 まぁ慢心王が見逃してくれた節はありますけどね笑
@@はなまるマーケット-h3i 臣下とはなんたるかを答えきったウェイバーに別の王として温情をかけた、といったところでしょうかね。
Waver calling Shirou 'idiotic' made me screaming "OH THAT IS RICH COMING FROM YOU" 😂
Chama Chello well at least Shirou have balls even though he knew he is a newbie when it comes to BG war 😂😂😂
@@somerandomguy9156 Given that Iskandar called both himself and Waver idiotic, I think it's a compliment.
Different series but I feel the quote is pretty relevant.
"A real man... oughta be a little stupid. Schemin' fuck like you... Could never stand on top." −Goda Ryuji
Kenneth Clemente Ubw was fake. Shirou couldn't win against Gilgamesh but Gilgamesh was nerfed. In reality, what waver did was the right thing by saying that he can't die and even Gilgamesh acknowledged that. If shirou would've been in fate zero, he would've been BODIED by everyone
@@arnavdass4695 er, no? Shirou at the end of UBW is an exceptionally powerful Magus in his own right. Other then Kerry and kirei, shirou stomps every other master.
in a span of ONLY 10 YEARS
dude became from
virgin wimp to
chad
HOW
Watch lord el melloi
Still Virgin
Virgin chad that is
ウェイバー・・・身長高くなってよかったね～
ヤマトくん Mr.
第三次成長期っていいよね
faiz brade
型月世界ってホント面白いよなぁ
第三次成長期だ... ！！(コマンドー風)
聖杯で30センチ伸ばしてもらう必要なかったな
第四次に参加して第五次の時点でまだ存在しているマスターは何故か身長が伸びている不思議
奇跡的な出会いよな。もっと会話して欲しい。
奇跡じゃなく必然だったと思う。
描かれてはいないけど士郎もエルメロイ教師に通うんだけどんね
てか正義の味方になりたかったら、時計塔の外道共を根絶やしにせねばw
@@エリスエリス-q9f 時計塔の外のやつもな
ドライブ行ってたぞ
第四時唯一の(まともな)生還者と第5時生還者
MAN, do I want an animated series about "Lord El-Melloi II Case Files" after watching this scene! It would be so awesome seeing the adventures and investigations of grown up Waver! ^_^
currently reading it lol
GO! Go! Zeppeli! Wait is there an english translation of it???
Yes, there's a translation on Beast Lair's forum. They're almost through Volume 2 I think.
Konati Konoe what i though it only chap 1 or 2.
Man I love case files
i still can't believe waver has same VA in the fate zero and here like how the fuck he changes his voice like that
まさかここでウェイバー出てくるとは思ってなかった……
they grow so fast
Rider would be proud of him.
damn right
INDAREVISH what anime is this
its literally in the title
@@scrubsbro8034 Fate/Unlimited blade works
Its here that I noticed the parallels between Shirou's and Waver's Command Seals.
Both have a arrow/spear head theme but Waver's has spread its wings while Shirou's are still closed.
Of course. There's the other detail being that Waver's tie during Fate/Zero just so happened to be in the color and pattern of Avalon.
Which is another parallel, considering how Gray is effectively Waver's Servant throughout Case Files and Shirou is still carrying Avalon in his body.
puberty change waver so much
No one:
Not a single soul:
Puberty: Imma make you into fan service bro
Clock Tower News: One of Top 10 Mages To Get Laid With
Reines: Your magic circuits are trash but your genes aren't bad
I have always wondered, does someone actually talk like that? In the hallway, with the back to each other? And what if one of them decides to to just leave, wouldnt it be super awkward?
Anime
Its probably a feudal Japan thing.
Well, you'll at least hear the footsteps if they do.
Waver: Why are you here then?
Shirou: *just leaves*
Waver: Hello!? Are you there?
*footsteps*
Waver: Dammit...
Now I want to spark up a conversation with you like this one, then tip toe away as you start to monologue and find yourself abandoned on what might have been a good point
everyone here is talking about how if only waver knew that shirou killed gilgamesh, but i want to see waver's face is he found out shirou is the son of the man who killed waver's mentor, especially after finding out waver hated but deeply respected his mentor after watching lord el-melloi
Theres no way someone as smart as Waver doesn't recognize the surname Emiya. Given that Waver gets involved with Tohsaka (and by extension Shirou) later on to dismantle the Greater Grail, it's a fair sure bet he knows who Shirou's father is.
@@Krescentwolf What make you think waver is smart?
@@Manima108
He's a teacher and one of the Clock Tower's top mages despite having the shittiest magic circuits out of all them
He studies and grinds, that's Waver's singular trait
@@janseanhernane3191 hence he gets stuck as a grinder in FGO
ともにギルガメッシュから生き延びた者同士やな！
戦って生き延びた者と言葉と覚悟で生き延びた者
Waver went from "I'll bring her home by 6 sir" to "Your daughter calls me daddy too."
Iskandar: I'll be damned! You actually grow 20cm more!
Sette KwanLmfaO
So does SShirou.
Well, 20cm on the dot. 167 to 187.
衛宮士郎もウェイバーも身長が伸びたと同時に胃が痛くなるのね
女運が狂運すぎるからね…ｗ 最終結果がどうなるか分からんから凶運か良縁かは言い切れないけど
尚、胃を痛める原因の一人は共通の模様
士郎がグレイに会ったら反射的に「セイバー！？」みたいになりそうw
馬鹿げた話だが、笑い話ではないって台詞好き
無意味ではあるが、無価値ではないってセリフと似てるね
普通の人なら笑い話にしてしまうところをウェイバーは笑い話にしなかったところがポイントなのかもね。
エミヤのことを知ると笑えないって意味とも取れる・・・
Waver's dialogue at the end about Shirou being "idiotic" was probably a poor translation. What was said in the VN (forgot which part) was closer to "It is certainly foolish, but definitely not to be taken lightly" (pertainingto Shirou's ideals.)
That fits a _lot_ better, actually. Thanks for that.
I think this translation is pretty good because of Archer called Rider´s dream idiotic too. In a way, he is respecting his dream.
They never met in the VN.
its dumb but its not something to laugh at is how I would interpet his words 😂😂😂
@@thethessaliah correct but the m guessing shirou's monologue at the end has similar line to this when he's talking about himself.
行け行け僕らのグレートビッグベン☆ロンドンスター☆
(分かる人には分かるはず)
時計塔で抱かれたい男一位
偉大なるグレートビッグベンロンドンスター先生
時計塔のシャーロックホームズ
プロフェッサー・カリスマ
絶対領域マジシャン先生。
the 5 star servant crosses with the 4 star
FGO Meme Videos good man
actually Shirou suppose to be 5 stars
Muramasa merged with Shirou, like Zhuge Liang and Waver
the 4 stars version is EMIYA (all letter in Capital) "Nameless Servant"
@@kawaiibatman no shit
@@kawaiibatman wait. where did they ever confirm Muramasa would be a 5 star? isn't that just an assumption the fan base has made?
@@badendersgame
Yes
DW never say Muramasa is 5 stars
But Waver, Rin, Sakura are 5 stars
Maybe they will make Shirou a 5 stars servant too
Since he's also the Main Character of FSN
The last part by Waver was left out.
He then calls himself an idiot too.
If it aint Zh-,.... I mean, Waver Velvet.
Zhuge Liang :D
Well Zhugh only merged with Waver during Grand Order so your good.
Zhug... I mean Lord El M... I mean Waver "I am part of a noble phantasm" Velvet
No one ever calls him either Zhuge Liang or El Melloi xD
to everyone who's seen Zero he will ALWAY be 'Waver' to us X)
Rewatching this after watching the Lord El-Melloi II Case Files, i think Waver was trying to see if shirou was the same as him, someone with not much magic potnetial and someone who didnt know what he was doing during the holy grail war, like him (poor bby has so little self confidence)
Talking with your Lecturer casually, back to back, than leave away with style even before your Lecturer let you leave ...
Damn, College live in England is so damn cool ...
Magecraft college
@@MrThecrazyzombie Hogwarts
"Oh I also killed that golden archer, Gilgamesh"
"You WHAT"
If Shirou actually did that, the entire Clock Tower would dissect him like a frog in High School biology class
遠坂の名はウェイバーは聞きたくないだろうなwww
もっと言うと衛宮の名も内心嫌いなんかな...
だろーね笑 殺しあった相手のお子さんじゃあね(-.-;)
417
しかし老けたな
「理解に苦しむな｣がアーチャーに似てる
すらす 言うほど衛宮にも遠坂にも別に嫌とも思ってないんじゃない？
遠坂に関してはこの十年後に大聖杯封じる時に協力してる訳だし
the fate universe's stan lee, king of cameos
(Accel/Zero event) Rider: I just don't like you for some reason, that's all.
King of Heroes Gilgamesh waver:(Shocked)
King of Heroes Gilgamesh yeah remember that
おい最期のここは狭すぎるなってセリフも入れてくれよ！
勝手に殺すなw
最[期]w
圧縮されて死んだみたいになってて草
最期になってるww
@@Kirei_5103 それは草
Despite not winning the 4th grail war Waver was still able to get his wish, to become a respected magus and get taller.
That goes to proof that a wish granting device is not the only thing that can grant your wish
Anyone else here after watching the El Melloi finale?
声にウェイバーの面影があるな……！
この後のここは狭かろうまでが大切なんじゃないか…
それが聞きたい！！
Fateは天秤を間違って使ってる奴が天秤の使い方を知る物語なんだよなぁ
UBW→天秤の使い方が間違っている事は自覚しつつそれでも「天秤を使ってでも事を成そうとしたことは誤りではない」と誤った使い方をフォローしてくれる理解者と共に歩む道(凛)
HF→天秤の正しい使い方を知り、天秤の傾いた方を助ける道(桜)
Fate→天秤の使い方を馬鹿にされ、それでもこの使い方を貫く事を決める話
ちなみに天秤ってのは釣り合いをとってモノの「質」を量るモノで、傾かせて「量」を量るモノではない(200gの純金が本当に「純」かを200gの純金と重さを比べて質を見る、軽かったり重かったりしたらなんか混ざってるか中身が抜けてる=質が悪い)
切継は「200gの純金と1kgの鉄屑を比べて重い方を拾う」使い方をしていた、だからどんどん自分の取り分が減っていって破滅した(一人理想に殉じる)
UBW士郎は「200gの純金と1kgの鉄屑を比べて重い方を拾う」使い方をしても「損した分をきっちり回収してきてくれたり、拾わなかった方の金を拾ってくれるパートナー」がいる(理解者と共に理想を目指す)
HF士郎は「重いだけの1kgの鉄屑ではなく、価値のある200gの純金を選ぶ使い方を覚えた」(全てを救う事は出来ないがこれが人として普通)
I only understand this cameo after I got Lord El Malloi to ascension stage 3 in FGO.
I can only Imagine your surprise when this guy turned into the brat from Zero
When unlimited blade works started, I already thought they needed this guy to show up as a cameo otherwise it was a missed opportunity. When I saw them head to this school, I knew they were going to do it. It was a great scene. I didn’t expect him to look this old but I guess I knew it was him straight away anyways because of how he showed up.
If only Shirou see gray....
Shirou: "And... I've avenged your King"
Waver: So I heard you beat that Gold Servant.
Shirou: Kind of, yeah.
Waver: *Bitchin'.* Now come smoke cigars with me.
"I like badass ginger men. My boyfriend was a badass ginger man. Sadly he is dead."
oh look it's Zhuge Li- oh wait, it's Lord El Mell- wait that's not right... Waver Velvet!
Shirou magic school life with Waver as his Teacher would an amazing spin-off
When I saw that scene I started crying and I don't know why😅. I've seen Zero first so I recognized him and when I heard him say "baka" I screamed a little 😅. I had missed my *favourite character* 😂😭❤
Dafuq are you doing here, Waver?! Get your ass back here, we got farming to do!
come on man, let he rest a little
he is already overworking
MORE APPLES
now we need a Shirou cameo in Case Files
Case Files takes place before the 5th Grail War, so Shirou would just be doing his daily life.
@@ImmaNort then we need a Shirou cameo in Adventures of Lord El-Melloi II
アレキサンダー→イスカンダル並みの変わりようだよね。
ハラショー Fateシリーズってその手の変わりよう好きだよね(ギルとかメディアとか)
ハラショー いちようヘラクレスの血筋だかねイスカンダルはしょうがないと思うよ！
I seriously did not know that was Waver. He looks SO different 😯
well if u look ascension in fgo
After watching the Case Files series I wonder what Shirou's reaction would've been when he saw Grey?
From one third rate magus to another.
Lol I mean shirou was like a novice at magecraft but still was able to beat a servant
Kenny Law yea, thanks to plot armour and protagonist powers
Nothing to do with plot armour lol.
Some guy who barely knows any magic (and is a pretty big idiot) somehow defeats the strongest servant in the grail war. "Nothing to do with plot armor" K
Sergeant Johnson伍世 It’s still has nothing to do with plot armor.
背中向けあったまま話し、そのまま別れて、片方が独り言でその場をしめる。某爆裂魔法使いが興奮しそうなやり取りだな。
Jr. マイケル 誰だよ笑笑
マイケルJr.
マジで誰だよw
カミシロえい めぐみんです。(迫真)
αラッブ
誰だよw
@@tntntntntntntntntntntnmm この素晴らしい世界に祝福を!ってアニメ知りません？
Fun fact: This is the same voice actor as young Waver.
I looked like a proud parent, when I saw the adult Waver in UBW. They grow up so fast... T_T
UA-cam recommending this after seeing the first chapter of Lord El-Melloi II Sei no Jikenbo
The first time I saw this Weaver, I remember thinking “well, doesn’t this dude look like one of those Heroic Spirits in Iskandar’s NP?”.
In my headcanon Iskandar's NP transcend time and Waver who will become his retainer is already in it. Or it might be just some random guy.
@@hornitako7006 you are absolutely right, that's why they chose to explicitly show it. It's a very nice detail
@@hornitako7006 it's a different person that just resembles waver named Zhuge Liang
@@ShiroKage-h8v It's a different person in deed, but the Zhuge Liang you're talking about in FGO is actually a Pseudo-servant using Waver's body and personality, so it's just Waver with Zhuge Liang's power
@@hornitako7006 yep lol, just like ishtar with rin's body
そっか、時系列的にもうロード・エルメロイⅡ世なのか……
事件簿見たら色々繋がって面白い
事件簿に士郎ちょこっとだけでも出てほしいなw
7話の時点ではエルメロイが第５次の参加権利を欲しがってる段階だしこれからですね。
フェイカー関連の一件なかったら殺し合っていた可能性もあり
Waver has the best character development in fate series and el melloi. Can't change my mind.
I just want Waver to meet Shirou again and tell him that he's putting together a team.
Waver: So what class was your servant?
Shirou: Saber, King Arthur, Oh you must've met her because she said she also participated in the last- wait, Lord, why are you sweating?
Grey: He nearly got Excalibur'd
Shirou: How is he not sweating everytime he sees you
Grey: That's what this hood is for
Soon it'll be Shirou's turn to have a cameo in Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files.
Maybe the last episode, do see it coming though
And then shirou will steal the show like Prisma illya XD
Spoilers: Waver became older after the events of Fate/Zero
Strange, they both stood face to face Gilgamesh, one was being spared for life, another one is taken his life. Only Shiro could show you his back not you bruh...
OH WAIT!!! NEVERMIND!!!! WAVER! Little NERD TEEN WHO GOT ALEXANDER THE GREAT!
You know, that was the same nerdy kid who used to be Eskandar's Master
Always wished Iskander could return to Waver after all those years. Someone made a picture of it too.
Then watch "Lord El-Melloi II". It's not like Iskander returned as you expected, but damn, that scene in the last episode will probably make you cry
Out of all the Heroic Spirits in Fate:Zero, Iskander was the best.
これウェイバーか！！！zero最近見たからなんか、変わりようがすごいw
これで声優一緒ってすげえよね
Waver mocking Shirou's magecraft not knowing that who's he talking too basically has all the combat experience Archer Emiya has just without the magic circuits to fully utilize it.
If Shirou can only use Projection and Strengthening magecraft, yes he's a sh*tter mage than Waver.
He can only do basic magecraft. His tracing and projection come from his reality marble, which comes from his ideals and his origin being "sword" due to Avalon
He wasn't shit talking him tho...
Assassin EMIYA: fate of a hero of justice is black comedy.