Ordering a Leisure Travel Van in 2023 / 2024? Choose these options!
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- When choosing the options for a Leisure Travel Vans Unity or Wonder in 2023 or 2024, you need to be aware of what is essential, what is a luxury and what is just plain not needed. Here I go into detail about each option and my thoughts on if they are worth adding into your Leisure Travel Van build. #LeisureVans #leisuretravelvans
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Hi Brandon, nice job with your presentations. Question. Why did you decide to change floor plans from the Unity FX to the Murphy Bed Lounge?
We are really wanting to try something new. We love the FX floorplan, however the lack of a driver side window is really annoying, so I think the new MBL is the best of all worlds.
This was very educational. I am looking at the Unity Rear Lounge. Thanks for sharing the Lithonic tips. I appreciate these videos as someone who will be a first-time van owner.
Glad it was helpful!
I would spec a new one out pretty similarly to what you did. Changes I personally would make (and my reasoning):
- No safe (plenty of other hidden spots to store things in the coach that 99% of people would not know about.)
- No TV outside (I don't have a need to watch TV outside and possibly disturb others. I would rather have the extra storage space.)
- No built in ladder ( I think the coach looks cleaner without one and would prefer a telescoping ladder that I can move around. A telescoping ladder could be stored in the outdoor TV compartment since it's not so deep)
- No solar panels (The zamp panels are great but extra expensive through LTV. They also screw them down to the roof I believe. Since I would be upgrading the electronics I would add panels at the same time. Can probably get more that 400 watts on the roof also)
All great reasons!
Agree with all your upgrades except the ladder and the white upper cabinets. The outdoor TV is a must for those football games to enjoy with other people.
Think watching some college football outside in the fall would be awesome!
Great tips!
I feel this is disingenuous
Have made or do you still have plans to make a video on ordering a Wonder?
The Wonder has caught up to the Unity. The only thing you can’t get on a Wonder is the leveling jacks
Outside TV & satellite leave off! Definitely want macerator, exterior table, & lithium batteries. Plus propane genny for auto-start.
I think Diesel getting auto start now. But I would save that $$ and get propane
How will I order the Lithionics package?
If you order a new LTV; they come standard with a 3000w inverter and 270ah battery, so no need for an upgrade
Thanks for your videos. I am happy to see that all the options I chose were similar (I did get the lithium batteries to start but plan to upgrade in a few years). I finally got my production date , so hopefully, very soon, I'll be getting the keys to my first unity. I definitely plan on adding a soft start when i get it. What are your thoughts on Sumo springs?
Congrats on the production date! I've heard nothing but positive from folks who put Sumo on their LTV. I have never felt the absolute necessity for it, so haven't done that.
Well, for starters is leave off the outside TV but that doesn't bring down too much!
Outside TV is def a love or hate
Now the batteries are standard so I guess people are stuck paying the OUTRAGEOUS markup baked into the coach price.
Yep
good commentary love the choices the ladder you dont need until you do so believe me its very valuable, I have fifth wheell Artic Fox and that ladder has come in handy to mount my sercurity cameras, and to check on how things look on top with respect to possible leaks etc.. I am canadain and the price for us is so much higher so wish I had american dollars haha. We havent pulled the tricker yet but soon maybe for the 60th special edition after wer head over to winkler we may make that decision then. cheers keep up the treat videos.
ladders are a must now in my book, lol. Enjoy the learning experience and good luck on a 60th unit!
Thanks so much, yes people don't realize how lucky we r
Great job Brandon and we have pretty much the exact same options selected for our order on the 2023 Unity MBL (will be most likely the 2024 version before we get it). Newbie to RV life, so did select the Propane Generator option but you mentioned you hardly have used your generator. I was wondering about your thoughts on doing away with the generator all together and for much less weight (and some cost savings) just have an Anker PowerHouse 767 or EcoFlow DELTA Pro that could backup your home and then take on the road. We don't plan on boondocking much without power hookups.
If I were going to delete generator, I would go with additional lithium like Lithionics tied into the system. With the EcoFlow or the Anker, those can be plugged up to your RV, but no way to charge them except for external solar panel, or a wall plug. With Lithionics (or other house batteries) These have more capacity in smaller and lighter footprint and charge when hooked to shore power, driving or on board solar. Plus it's integrated and no need to open compartment, plug in your RV and then find a way to charge them back up.
I definitely would leave off the outside tv. I’d be swatting bugs off it like crazy…haha😂. I could get a attached screen, but I’d still have the fly swatter at the ready.
Right!!
Yep, Im the guy who left his cap on! Only required lots of spraying clean the cabinet and a new hose, thank god! Nice job Brandon. How best to get the lithonics and 3000 inverter?
Oh my! That’s not fun. You can get the Lithionics setup at Pagosa Supply, even installation if you want to come to Dallas. https:pagosasupply.co/lithionics
They need to offer the Starlink mobile antenna.:)
No, it’s crap.
That would be cool
I am one of the folks who loves the exterior table; I use it on every trip! I say yes to : Ladder, table, macerator, jacks, fob, propane genny, Bianco cabinets. I would also have included the heated tank package had I known about it. I would also do the outdoor TV if I had a choice (not an option in the URL which is what I have). I say NO to: the lithium and solar, safe, and. satellite. Had the lithionics, solar and 3000w inverter done after market and am super happy with it. Much better power set up than the LTV upgrade.
I meet so many who love that table. So glad you are enjoying your Lithionics!
@@myopinion9518 Lithionics is a company that makes lithium batteries, charger systems, and battery generators. It's just that they make them with integrated and automatic heaters so you never need to remember to turn the heat on if the temps drop too low for the batteries to function. The system that LTV offers must be manually turned on. Lithionics are also a lot cheaper than having LTV do it for you.
Brandon great job as usual. Submitted my change order for the 2023 Unity MBL and will not lose my place in the que (AUG/SEP). Like you I vacillated back & forth irt the macerator & ladder, opted to leave both off. Glad to hear your comments about your generator choice. That was my toughest decision, but as you mentioned we have been tracking closely Lithionics advancements and will definitely go with them for aftermarket upgrade. Rumor has it that LTV may offer a Lithionics as mfgr-upgrade in time for our coach (hope so). As a retired Army communicator went with both the Wingard SAT & portable ant. Yes it pricey but like to watch MLB & prefer not to have to setup SAT ant if I dont have to. Also opted-out of outdoor TV although it would be kinda kool to watch fitness videos or host tailgate party. Previously owned two Class A's, one with & one without leveling jacks (JACKs are a MUST HAVE). Pretty much went with same options you suggested. We have two big dogs so will validate your comments on why we should not have gone with Dove upholstery. May change back to Sand... Biggest comment is that we have not been face-to-face with any LTV and it helps relieve some of the buying stress watching your channel and reading other folks comments. Thanks again for what you do, and we hope to see you late summer or early fall.
That's great! That's awesome you get to keep your place in line. I know Lithionics won't be in LTVs anytime soon, but super easy to swap out aftermarket and save some $$$.
Thanks for that update Brandon. Just an FYI…I went to look at the MBL (someone else’s new coach) in Sacramento and surprise my 6’1” height did okay with the Murphy Bed. We will definitely build the MBL over the FX. Now we just have to wait until late 2024. Any thoughts of where in California I can have the Lithionics battery professionally installed with the upgraded inverter?
That’s good to know! We can certainly research a good installer when you are ready. Congrats on the decision!
Well, looks like from the comments that if I were to order one, I have to many MSRP and won’t get delivery until late 24 or early 25 😮
very true
Great video. Question: we have a unity cb on order, i was told by dealer in St. Louis, that if i put in standard batteries and then switched to 3rd party system like lithronics 320. I would void the warranty! So, what warranty exactly am i voiding? It seems like most people like having a better battery system, so what gives? Thank you, keep up the good work.
The warranty on the LTV is actually just for the things LTV makes and assembles. They rely on the third party manufacturers warranty for things like batteries, microwaves, etc. So basically nothing to void. If you are switching out just the battery, it’s just that. Just a battery swap, which wouldn’t affect any other component. So basically if you switch out the battery, that doesn’t mean they won’t fix a drawer that falls out, as that is what the LTV warranty covers. Hope that helps!
Were you able to make a video for the Wonder?
These options are basically the same for the Wonder. The main difference is there is no option for levelers on the Wonder
I've got a 2024 Unity FX on order for May 24 delivery... I hope. How much solar do you need for the Lithionics 320Ah battery? I'm not sure whether to have LTV install the solar or not. What do you think about the Dove upholstery without dogs? We're concerned about stains from normal use. Really like your videos as they are so informative.
You don’t really need any solar for the Lithionics, but it is nice to have for trickle charging. I have 400watts, but solar is so slow and unpredictable. You can get more bang for your buck aftermarket, but having it come from factory is nice too. We cover all of our seating surfaces when dogs are in for sure with our white upholstery. But when they aren’t, we aren’t scared of the white. Hope that helps!
How do you order a 2023-24 model with options when there is now a 5 year wait list? I guess you just change options later if they are different in 3-4 years? Went to an RV show in Jan and told there was a 5 yr wait now, but they called me 2 days later and had one that came in and was cancelled by the buyer, for $2500 down I could have bought the $200K+ RL model but was not ready to jump on it that fast, I am a few years away.
I think the waitlist will dwindle with the Economy and such. Should be easier to get a used one or shorter wait periods for a new one.
So question: how do you think LTV handles it when you order the solar panels but not the batteries? What would the panels connect up to?
You get AGM batteries included and the Lithium is an upgrade, so you do get batteries.
Thanks for the help. Question for LTV owners. When ordering a unit are you paying morphine or is it like other rv sales and there is substantial negotiation? I assume probably not much if any because of the current wait list but i have net seen any info on this subject for LTVs
There used to be about 5% you could negotiate, however now it can be a premium over MSRP
I don't like the white cabinets, so I'd save $700. I prefer the convenience of diesel over propane, so I would choose diesel. I don't need the expensive wheels. Everything else remains the same.
The diesel is no longer an option, sadly
What would you do? Have the option of waiting 2 years for my ordered Unity with plans to add Lithionics and solar or buy the just offered new, fully loaded Unity my dealer will have in May. Paying for two sets of batteries and options I really don’t need seems like a bad idea, but will my ordered Unity be any less expensive in two years?
I always opt for the “time is more valuable than money” option. Get started now and enjoy. My thoughts are the Unity will be way more expensive in 2 years than the $4k batteries you don’t want. Or buy a nice used model and wait for your order that way. Either way, I wouldn’t want to not get started now.
Besides the four point levelers would you get the hefty stabilizers which is an option. Or would you choose one over the other or both?
Ted
I'm not sure I know what you are referring to? The LTV Unity has an option for the leveling system, however the Unity or the Wonder do not have stabilizers. I would opt for the levelers though for sure.
Brandon, have you run across many that have forgone a generator entirely and [aftermarket] use that compartment for a 2nd lithionics? I have a URL on order and am considering that. I’m not concerned about resale sans generator since the coach would be adequately powered by lithium.
I've heard that LTV requires a generator, but not completely sure. I've seen folks with older LTVs, remove the gen and add a bunch more lithium there for sure.
@@Pagosa I didn’t realize that. It isn’t a required option on their configuration webpage.
I'm wondering if your bamboo sink cover fits in the cubby area that the corian cover fits into in the Unity RL model? Not sure if the other models have this as well...
It's about 1 and 3/16 inches wide. Not sure if it does or not.
Do you know if they plan to offer the auto leveling system on the Wonder FTB or if not can you get it after market?
I do believe levelers will be available on Wonders in near future. you can certainly get it aftermarket.
How long will your A/C run on battery alone in your LTV?
My best test was on a 90 degree day, set thermostat at 78 and it went 5 hours. Coach was completely comfortable. But to make it an icebox and AC at constant on. A little under 3
As someone who had a clog… I endorse macerators. 😊
I would imagine that was no fun
@@Pagosa - It wasn’t that bad, but it was messy. Afterwards I was told we didn’t have to try to unclog it, but could have added more water and driven around a bit. LOL!
im interested in the leisure line....one question since you own one....with a normal trip and with 2 people and taking a suitable shower....how long does the water last before you have to refill the tank....with normal water usage in the kitchen etc....just an estimate.....thx...
My FX has 26 gallons of freshwater, but the CB and the TB have 36 gallons. Showers will deplete the tank fast, but you could go several days with just using the water for kitchen and toilet flushing. A shower can take 5 gallons really fast. 90% of our RVing for more than 2 days is full hookups, so with a hose attached, you are limitless.
@@Pagosa Thank you....Im interested is using the coach as a touring van...not really camping...so showers could be done daily but refilling fresh water would be a pretty constant thing...thx again...
I love LTV but they need to catch up. They need to eliminate LP and the generator. You should do a show on the Regency Brougham. No LP or generator which saves a ton of weight and the AC runs off batteries and everything. For the same price, it’s a way better option.
I second that and Brandon lives near Ft. Worth where the Regency is built. He needs to take us on a factory tour.
I definitely plan on doing an episode on the Regency at some point.
@@Pagosa the only thing I see with Regency at this point is that all repairs and warranty work must be done at the dealer. For those of us living in Ft. Worth, they should be willing to take us in for repairs.
Regency is now out of business
Brandon,I have a Winnabago 2023 Travato class B model K. Is it possible to add Lithium to this unit?I would appreciate your input.Ken C.
Absolutely. Do you know what you have now? two 12V AGM, I assume? Also, which inverter?
@@Pagosa It has two Napa AGM deep cycle located outside behind rear wheels. The inverter is a Magnum CSW series 1000 w..Power converter is Intel PDSeries 9200. Also has Onan gen.
Brandon,Did you receive my reply regarding batteries and inverter.
For a lot Iess money would buy a truck and an Oliver Legacy Elite II travel trailer.
We have friends who own a LTV and yes they are nice but not at that price. One of these days people will stop drinking the Koolaid and they will be forced to lower their prices, or be satisfied selling fewer coaches.
LTVs are actually one of the less expensive compared with true competition such as the Airstream Atlas. I don’t think they will ever have a lack of customers, due to their culture and cult following. I call it the Harley Davidson of RVs, people are super brand loyal.
@@Pagosa Totally get where you are coming from as I have rode HD’s for years. That being said, at what point does price vs value take a lot of people out of the market? I don’t know that answer but at $217k right now for what I would want, I struggle justifying it. And, it would actually be a lot more than that by the time you get it.
I am actually sitting here watching your Tampa RV show video and it is really good. You do a great job on these, thank you.
Great video, but the music is irritating.
Thanks, I think. lol
Newbie here so will just ask lol, do y'all pay MSRP on these things!?
Prob get at MSRP now. They were over during pandemic
Overpriced with everything you put on by $40000. RV got overpriced during Covid they need to drop the prices
Pretty sure the prices only going up
Overprice.
Leisure's are still one of the best values in RVs. Many are even higher than these with lower build quality.
I liked the very first model that came out. The blue on that one was better. These things are way over priced.
They are certainly getting up in price