Thank you all for over 3,000 subscribers! I tried raising the volume of the music and lowering the volume of the SFX and dialogue for this one - If you like it this way, I'll try to do it for future videos. It's a bit hard, because of the many micro-edits made to the soundtrack in the film, but I think I managed to make it work. Enjoy!
Thanks for all of your uploads! I find in mm. 91, this is a common rhythmic pulse John Williams likes to do to create a hurried feeling. Syncopation is strong with this one. ;)
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Hoooooooooooooooooly shit. You did it. You actually did Hoth. You are the gift that keeps on giving. Audio balance is much improved, and I can't wait to see/hear part 2!
Jesus! This, as usual with Williams, is a lot more difficult on the page and through the players than what you hear. Absolutely amazing work by the way and this is just incredible to see. Really glad Williams has kept up with this franchise and is still giving us fantastic music to listen to especially with the next two saga films, and can't forget Indy 5 and Ready Player One either.
As somebody who knows nothing about music, you can imagine how much I am in awe of composers. When I first heard this, I thought it the most violent piece of music I have ever heard. Fantastic!
This remains my favorite battle music cue from not just Star Wars scores, but of all time film scores. Even compared to the Yavin and Endor battle music cues, the sheer brilliance of motivic development, creative orchestration and timbral techniques, and just plain old excitement the music generates has never diminished my awe since the first time I really paid attention to it. Still boggles my mind John Williams wrote this whole 110-minute score in like six weeks, with one primary orchestrator.
A like mind! To me too this is the most amazing piece of film score written for a battle scene that I have ever enjoy. It blows me away every time, and the first time I heard it performed live in concert I think I was vibrating by the end, haha.
kudos to somehow perfectly analyzing one of the most complex yet memorable prices that John Williams masterfully created for the Star Wars saga !!!! also would love to see you analyze "Asteroid Field" ( one of my personal favorites ) when you get the chance !
Thank you for your unstinting, valuable and brilliant work on these score analyses. If ever you have time, one of my favourite cues is 'Wookiee Prisoner/Detention Block Ambush', to me it has it all: atonal music, percussiveness, strange and eerie sounds and triumphant brass-all the hallmarks of the genius of John Williams. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
It's always interesting to see how a bunch of cues are overlapped in this way. It must be daunting for any composer to see a solid fifteen minute block of music that needs to be written.
Wow, this is literally genius work. Also thank you so much for this channel, I'm writing a symphony for a youth orchestra and it helps to study reduced scores with some analyses and list of instruments! Soooo helpful!! 😊
Huge thanks for these -- they are incredibly well done. I spent most of my teen years (20 years or so ago) picking apart these scores in my head with nothing but my ear to guide me. Back then there was virtually nowhere you could find written scores for film music; oh to have had these resources then. Really interesting to see the start of the snow walkers sequence with the score in place. Much as I love that Bartok-ian opening and dislike the clunky way the music cuts in mid-sequence in the actual film, it was really effective to drop the music out at that moment and spotlight foley and FX.
+PianoGeek3 Seize means to grab, grasp or snatch, and while FilmScoreAnalysis definitely does that with his videos, I think you mean that he never ceases to amaze, which is true. I'm glad you liked the music though; personally I find it to be just too frenzied and frenetic, without any meaningful direction. Yes, I realize it's just background music, but it really frazzles my mind, and not in a good way. FWIW, I think Battle of Yavin is a far better, much more coherent, dynamic and suspenseful cue, one which moves with clear direction and purpose adding greater depth and drama to the visuals it underscores, but that's just my opinion.
mydogskips2 Thank you for correcting me! I always get those two mixed up. It's really kind of interesting to see the differing opinions on John Williams' scores to battle scenes. I thoroughly enjoyed the franticness of the Battle of Hoth, but I can see why you'd feel that way. Also, the Battle of Yavin is truly one of the defining pieces that Williams did for Star Wars!
+PianoGeek3 I'm listening to the Battle of Hoth track from the Empire OST on YT right now and will admit it's the first time I've heard it. I bought the OST for the original Star Wars film but unfortunately never progressed to the others. Anyway, I just wanted to say that to me the music is more interesting and compelling without the movie dialogue and video, it's even enjoyable. It is still quite frenetic, but this time in a good way, it's less grating on my mind. Nonetheless, I appreciate the efforts and presentations made by FilmScoreAnalysis for our edification and pleasure, it is always enlightening.
@@Checkmate1138 You are correct. I don't know where I got that figure from. Edit: I just rummaged through my various liner notes and found the passage that lead my brain to misremember. The passage in question speaks of a "battery of eight percussion, two grand pianos" Somehow that information got mixed up in my memory.
Excellent on all levels. I would recommend to listen several times with your eyes closed. This way, you mind memorizes the music. Then, listen while following this fine score reduction.
wow, this is really interesting insight about the score. I have limited knowledge of theory, it is really helpful to see it while listening to the actual recording, not MIDI, and all the annotations
I think there might be an error at 3:15? I'm 97% sure that bar 35 is actually 3/4 and not 4/4 because the violins peak on beat 2, which then sets everything off a beat. If it were notated as 3/4 then everything else would be back to it's notated location. don't get me wrong, I'm thoroughly impressed with all of this and could NOT have done it better myself. Just someone who likes perfection. Well done! :)
wow wow, amazing job on this analysis. thank you for your attention to detail and dedication, and thank you also for having the taste and talent to concentrate on the important things! keep up the amazing work
I have a question. Your transcription lists Al Woodbury as the orchestrator, but I've only ever seen Herbert Spencer's name credited. Herbert is in the ESB documentary, shown working with John. You may have come across this in the sketches - did Al work on the Hoth scene uncredited? Thanks!
Just double checked the score, and Al Woodbury is definitely credited as the orchestrator for the first two cues in this sequence, and the orchestration is in his handwriting. I did some quick calculations for you as well - here are the orchestrators for the film, listed in order of the approximate number of pages they contributed to the orchestrations: Herbert Spencer (425 pages), Al Woodbury (145 pages), Angela Morley (81 pages), and Fred Steiner (64 pages). Hope that helps!
FilmScoreAnalysis Have you actually seen the manuscript (or even just a copy), or are you just transcribing this all by ear? This comment, and the fact that you note where John Williams's hit points and streamers are indicate that you have/had access to the actual score somewhere, and if so, how on earth did you get access to It? Thanks for the great video!
Also another question, what software do you use when reducing scores? If you use a notation software, how many staves do you use? And where did you find the score for the Battle of Hoth?
Is it possible to access the original score (or scans of his sketches) somewhere? As I live in Europe and dropping by in LA at JKMS or Julliard to check out the original score is hardly an option, and as no online library or store (like omnimusicpublishing, luck's music library, ...) provides the score, I would really like to hear your advice on the subject. Aside my request, thank you for your awesome work :)
I’m not sure if I’ve asked this before or not, but the full score for Danny Elfman’s “Batman” is available for purchase on OmniMusicPublishing.com. I would love to see some cues analyzed from this score!
Thanks so much for posting this and for your work. Is there a chance you could do the Rescue from Cloud City; Hyperspace? As you know John Williams masterfully connects his scenes and the tension and momentum from the reveal to the end is probably the most powerful underscoring of the Star Wars films.
In the 3rd bar are the double basses playing the lowest E, the cellos playing the next lowest E, the violas playing the B above that, the violins II playing the E and G# divisi and the violins I playing the notes in the treble clef divisi?
Your channel is incredible.. thanks so much for all the amazing work :) Have a request - could you please do an analysis of 'Leaving Home' from Superman?
Very Nice!!! But I think in mesure 7 is not an Bm7 but a G9/B. Did anyone notice that in mesure 40 the trumpet mistakes the higher note in the second note of the line? In the remix version they put that trumpet down in the mix! 😀
My question is, who in their right mind decided to edit out part of John Williams score!? I could've understood them turning the volume down, but remove it entirely from!?
Curious as to why you labeled the chord in bar 6 (on the first page) as a Bm7 chord? It seems to sound more like a G Major in 1st Inversion. Plus the way he's patterning transitions through those keys seems to suggest stepwise movement to the destination of Bm at Bar 13. Just curious as to how you hear it!
Amazing! I've always wanted sheet music for this, but my transcribing skills failed under the difficulty of this piece! Its so much more complicated than even I could have imagined! How did you do it? xD
Amazing!!! I have always loved this amazing piece of composition, thanks for let us see into it! Do you have access to the score or do you take down the condensed version?? Any way, amazing!!!
How about James Horner's "Surprise Attack" and "Kirk's Explosive Reply" from Wrath of Khan? IMHO, a brilliant example of how the scene meshes together with the soundtrack and seeing an analysis of that score would be fantastic
Hi FilmScoreAnalysis. I am currently transcribing the entirety of “The Empire Strikes Back” and the rest of the George Lucas saga on piano. Is it possible for me to use your video’s transcriptions for my own? Credit will be given to.
Beautiful. At 2.45 I don't think the harmonic line is played by electric piano, but rather on muted Tubular Bells or something of the sort. In the spirit of traditional orchestral scoring, John Williams never used electric instruments in the Star Wars orchestration.
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Thank you all for over 3,000 subscribers! I tried raising the volume of the music and lowering the volume of the SFX and dialogue for this one - If you like it this way, I'll try to do it for future videos. It's a bit hard, because of the many micro-edits made to the soundtrack in the film, but I think I managed to make it work. Enjoy!
I think it worked really well. Great job on that and everything else. Love these videos.
Thanks for all of your uploads! I find in mm. 91, this is a common rhythmic pulse John Williams likes to do to create a hurried feeling. Syncopation is strong with this one. ;)
Are you on Facebook? I'd like to message you about a pdf of this analysis.
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Thank you. Much appreciated!
Hoooooooooooooooooly shit. You did it. You actually did Hoth. You are the gift that keeps on giving. Audio balance is much improved, and I can't wait to see/hear part 2!
I just noticed something interesting...at 1:44, John Williams uses the trill as the screen shimmers from snow (static) to the clear picture.
I never realized that Johnny mixed up open and stopped horns. What an AWESOME effect.
I can't believe he snuck in an ARP 2600 in that shit!! It's so wild to hear. I know he did it for the Emperor projection with Vader, but not here!
5:02, favorite part.
Jesus! This, as usual with Williams, is a lot more difficult on the page and through the players than what you hear. Absolutely amazing work by the way and this is just incredible to see. Really glad Williams has kept up with this franchise and is still giving us fantastic music to listen to especially with the next two saga films, and can't forget Indy 5 and Ready Player One either.
Ready Player One is by Alan Silvestri if I remember correctly
@@pianoboi4842 It is now. When I commented he was gonna be scoring it.
Holy Shit the score is even more intense than I remember!
As somebody who knows nothing about music, you can imagine how much I am in awe of composers. When I first heard this, I thought it the most violent piece of music I have ever heard. Fantastic!
This remains my favorite battle music cue from not just Star Wars scores, but of all time film scores. Even compared to the Yavin and Endor battle music cues, the sheer brilliance of motivic development, creative orchestration and timbral techniques, and just plain old excitement the music generates has never diminished my awe since the first time I really paid attention to it. Still boggles my mind John Williams wrote this whole 110-minute score in like six weeks, with one primary orchestrator.
A like mind! To me too this is the most amazing piece of film score written for a battle scene that I have ever enjoy. It blows me away every time, and the first time I heard it performed live in concert I think I was vibrating by the end, haha.
One of the few times we really hear piano in Star Wars.
Also the piano in Rey's theme is great.
kudos to somehow perfectly analyzing one of the most complex yet memorable prices that John Williams masterfully created for the Star Wars saga !!!! also would love to see you analyze "Asteroid Field" ( one of my personal favorites ) when you get the chance !
Asteroid Field is one of my favorites as well, and will definitely be one of the cues I analyze on this channel!
One one the best cue written by Williams.
I love the brass triplets behind the imperial march melody at 0:57, especially the chord change at 1:05 you can hear the bones really chugging.
3:46
What a beautiful cue. John Williams loves his horns, doesn’t he?
0:58 "With Great Force" How fitting (:
1:12 Resistance march?
2:39 - holy shit.
Thank you for your unstinting, valuable and brilliant work on these score analyses. If ever you have time, one of my favourite cues is 'Wookiee Prisoner/Detention Block Ambush', to me it has it all: atonal music, percussiveness, strange and eerie sounds and triumphant brass-all the hallmarks of the genius of John Williams. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
It's always interesting to see how a bunch of cues are overlapped in this way. It must be daunting for any composer to see a solid fifteen minute block of music that needs to be written.
Wow, this is literally genius work. Also thank you so much for this channel, I'm writing a symphony for a youth orchestra and it helps to study reduced scores with some analyses and list of instruments! Soooo helpful!! 😊
Huge thanks for these -- they are incredibly well done. I spent most of my teen years (20 years or so ago) picking apart these scores in my head with nothing but my ear to guide me. Back then there was virtually nowhere you could find written scores for film music; oh to have had these resources then.
Really interesting to see the start of the snow walkers sequence with the score in place. Much as I love that Bartok-ian opening and dislike the clunky way the music cuts in mid-sequence in the actual film, it was really effective to drop the music out at that moment and spotlight foley and FX.
Yo this channel is sick. so important for our music history.... Cheers
Thanks so much, I'm going to be going over this one a lot
You never cease to amaze! I had no idea you were working on my favorite track from Star Wars! Thank you so much!
+PianoGeek3
Seize means to grab, grasp or snatch, and while FilmScoreAnalysis definitely does that with his videos, I think you mean that he never ceases to amaze, which is true.
I'm glad you liked the music though; personally I find it to be just too frenzied and frenetic, without any meaningful direction. Yes, I realize it's just background music, but it really frazzles my mind, and not in a good way.
FWIW, I think Battle of Yavin is a far better, much more coherent, dynamic and suspenseful cue, one which moves with clear direction and purpose adding greater depth and drama to the visuals it underscores, but that's just my opinion.
mydogskips2 Thank you for correcting me! I always get those two mixed up. It's really kind of interesting to see the differing opinions on John Williams' scores to battle scenes. I thoroughly enjoyed the franticness of the Battle of Hoth, but I can see why you'd feel that way. Also, the Battle of Yavin is truly one of the defining pieces that Williams did for Star Wars!
+PianoGeek3 I'm listening to the Battle of Hoth track from the Empire OST on YT right now and will admit it's the first time I've heard it. I bought the OST for the original Star Wars film but unfortunately never progressed to the others.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that to me the music is more interesting and compelling without the movie dialogue and video, it's even enjoyable. It is still quite frenetic, but this time in a good way, it's less grating on my mind.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the efforts and presentations made by FilmScoreAnalysis for our edification and pleasure, it is always enlightening.
One of my favorite cues from one of my favorite movies, and fascinating to be able to see the breakdown. Well done!!
Wow! Amazing to see and hear at the same time!!
this channel is an absolute goldmine...thank you brad for your work.
I consider it a crime that the introduction to the actual battle at 4:02 was cut from the two grand pianos!
Whoa dude, EIGHT?? Hold your horses there, the score says *2 pianos* only in that section you mentioned 😂 Gosh, 8 pianos would be real something.
@@Checkmate1138 You are correct. I don't know where I got that figure from.
Edit: I just rummaged through my various liner notes and found the passage that lead my brain to misremember.
The passage in question speaks of a "battery of eight percussion, two grand pianos"
Somehow that information got mixed up in my memory.
@@Quotenwagnerianer haha, no worries 😊
Excellent on all levels. I would recommend to listen several times with your eyes closed. This way, you mind memorizes the music. Then, listen while following this fine score reduction.
PLEASE MORE!!! We need more videos like this!
How did it take me so long to stumble across this? THANKS for all the work that went into this!!!
Just maybe my favorite video of all time!!!!!
wow, this is really interesting insight about the score. I have limited knowledge of theory, it is really helpful to see it while listening to the actual recording, not MIDI, and all the annotations
I think there might be an error at 3:15? I'm 97% sure that bar 35 is actually 3/4 and not 4/4 because the violins peak on beat 2, which then sets everything off a beat. If it were notated as 3/4 then everything else would be back to it's notated location. don't get me wrong, I'm thoroughly impressed with all of this and could NOT have done it better myself. Just someone who likes perfection. Well done! :)
wow wow, amazing job on this analysis. thank you for your attention to detail and dedication, and thank you also for having the taste and talent to concentrate on the important things! keep up the amazing work
Thank you for your work. These videos are literally a dram come true for me.
All kudos to the LSO who had to follow this orchestrated chaos! I love it!
This is fantastic!
What amazing music, and really nice analysis!
that's synth at 2:57?? i never suspected that
you are really a genius, thank you very very much for all your hard work
Absolutely loved this video - put me in the mood to make art!
damn that was intense! nice analysis
This channel is GOLD!!
This is incredible! Thank you!
You’re welcome
Could you please give me the Approx. tempo in BPM? Thank youuuu!! :)
This is amazing! Can you do Part Two?
GODDAMN I love this! Thank you so much!!
where do you get the complete orchestral sheets from?
and by the way your videos are great
I have a question. Your transcription lists Al Woodbury as the orchestrator, but I've only ever seen Herbert Spencer's name credited. Herbert is in the ESB documentary, shown working with John. You may have come across this in the sketches - did Al work on the Hoth scene uncredited? Thanks!
Just double checked the score, and Al Woodbury is definitely credited as the orchestrator for the first two cues in this sequence, and the orchestration is in his handwriting. I did some quick calculations for you as well - here are the orchestrators for the film, listed in order of the approximate number of pages they contributed to the orchestrations: Herbert Spencer (425 pages), Al Woodbury (145 pages), Angela Morley (81 pages), and Fred Steiner (64 pages). Hope that helps!
FilmScoreAnalysis
Have you actually seen the manuscript (or even just a copy), or are you just transcribing this all by ear? This comment, and the fact that you note where John Williams's hit points and streamers are indicate that you have/had access to the actual score somewhere, and if so, how on earth did you get access to It? Thanks for the great video!
1:12 Proto-Resistance March? That's funny.
Also another question, what software do you use when reducing scores? If you use a notation software, how many staves do you use? And where did you find the score for the Battle of Hoth?
Has anyone noticed that a trumpet mistakes the note in 5:03? And in the remastered OST they tried to hide! hehehe
Outstanding work.
Is it possible to access the original score (or scans of his sketches) somewhere? As I live in Europe and dropping by in LA at JKMS or Julliard to check out the original score is hardly an option, and as no online library or store (like omnimusicpublishing, luck's music library, ...) provides the score, I would really like to hear your advice on the subject. Aside my request, thank you for your awesome work :)
I’m not sure if I’ve asked this before or not, but the full score for Danny Elfman’s “Batman” is available for purchase on OmniMusicPublishing.com. I would love to see some cues analyzed from this score!
CAN WE GET PART TWO PLEASE!
Great job!
I'm looking forward to seeing the second part to this! You have any idea when you're planning to make it?
Thanks so much for posting this and for your work. Is there a chance you could do the Rescue from Cloud City; Hyperspace? As you know John Williams masterfully connects his scenes and the tension and momentum from the reveal to the end is probably the most powerful underscoring of the Star Wars films.
Don’t Mention It
asteroid field would be great :) also nice work
Very nice. Great work.
Fantastic. Instant subscribe.
In the 3rd bar are the double basses playing the lowest E, the cellos playing the next lowest E, the violas playing the B above that, the violins II playing the E and G# divisi and the violins I playing the notes in the treble clef divisi?
Your channel is incredible.. thanks so much for all the amazing work :) Have a request - could you please do an analysis of 'Leaving Home' from Superman?
Very Nice!!! But I think in mesure 7 is not an Bm7 but a G9/B.
Did anyone notice that in mesure 40 the trumpet mistakes the higher note in the second note of the line?
In the remix version they put that trumpet down in the mix! 😀
You must have good ears, the trumpets aren't playing in bar/measure 40?
Masterpiece of unequal proportions since the romantic and post-romantic Great Composers of 19th and 20th century
This is incredible! Is there any way I could get this analysis? Thank you so much!
Will there be a part two to this?
Where did you get the notes from?
My question is, who in their right mind decided to edit out part of John Williams score!? I could've understood them turning the volume down, but remove it entirely from!?
What are the piano notes for the song in
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”The Battle OF Hoth” (Star Wars)
Curious as to why you labeled the chord in bar 6 (on the first page) as a Bm7 chord? It seems to sound more like a G Major in 1st Inversion. Plus the way he's patterning transitions through those keys seems to suggest stepwise movement to the destination of Bm at Bar 13. Just curious as to how you hear it!
Also Bar 54 at 5:22/23 is some of my favorite material in the entire piece. John Williams is incredible.
May i ask where you get the film scores to reduce?
Thanks!
How did you obtain the sketches for this reduction?
Amazing! I've always wanted sheet music for this, but my transcribing skills failed under the difficulty of this piece! Its so much more complicated than even I could have imagined! How did you do it? xD
Have to ask, but do you do suggestions?
I appreciate suggestions, and it helps me to see what everyone's interested in. However, I can't guarantee I'll get to every single request.
Ook! [Yavin????? :DD ]
4:02
Why in the heck was this cut?
John Williams Isolated Score Battle Of Hoth Revisited ADYWAN
papa bless you sir
Are Violins 2 playing both the A and the D in the 1st bar?
Yes, Violin 2s are playing both the A and D divisi there
Thank you!
Does the "Part 1" in the description indicate that there will be a subsequent video with the rest of the cue?
Yes!
FilmScoreAnalysis Heck ya!
Just Perfect!
What happened at measure 34?
Empire is the best scored movie ever change my mind
I can't
I guess you're right, I might go with the good, the bad and the ugly though.
Temple of doom is pretty good
Hi, could you please do a analysis for movie "Hugo"? Its music is great... composed by Howard Shore
I don't know the tittle but want to see the one where it cuts between yoda and vader on the exceloe
Amazing!!!
I have always loved this amazing piece of composition, thanks for let us see into it!
Do you have access to the score or do you take down the condensed version??
Any way, amazing!!!
How about James Horner's "Surprise Attack" and "Kirk's Explosive Reply" from Wrath of Khan?
IMHO, a brilliant example of how the scene meshes together with the soundtrack and seeing an analysis of that score would be fantastic
where is part two?
Hi FilmScoreAnalysis. I am currently transcribing the entirety of “The Empire Strikes Back” and the rest of the George Lucas saga on piano. Is it possible for me to use your video’s transcriptions for my own? Credit will be given to.
I feel like you could just watch the Star Wars movies to their soundtrack, sans dialogue, and you would still understand everything that's going on.
there is so much going on...
🔥🔥🔥
Beautiful. At 2.45 I don't think the harmonic line is played by electric piano, but rather on muted Tubular Bells or something of the sort. In the spirit of traditional orchestral scoring, John Williams never used electric instruments in the Star Wars orchestration.
Eek!!!!!!!! [You actually have acess to MJW's notes???]