Two British Type 23 Frigates to be gifted to Hellenic Navy
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2021
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Two of British aged and retiring Type 23 Frigate warships are to be offered to the naval force of Greece, Hellenic Navy. to help Babcock International win a multibillion-pound deal with Greece to build new frigates and upgrade its fleet.
It is understood that Britain will throw in HMS Monmouth and HMS Montrose, two 30-year-old Type 23 frigate warships vessels, in a proposed deal to equip the Greek naval forces with the Royal Navy’s newest class of frigate, the Type 31, in the face of perceived Turkish aggression.
Babcock is the Rosyth-based warshipbuilder and military support contractor that has been commissioned by the Ministry of Defence to build five cut-price Type 31 general-purpose frigates for the Royal Navy.
Supported by the United Kingdom Government, Babcock has been fine-tuning its comprehensive and compelling programme to provide the Hellenic Navy with a Hydra Class upgrade programme, an interim frigate capability and four Babcock Arrowhead 140 frigates.
The Babcock boss named the potential export customers in response to lawmakers expressing doubts that the warship will achieve the hoped-for success in the marketplace amid competition from France, Italy and South Korea.
Thank-you Britain.
Hopefully one will be named Duke of Edinburgh after the Queens husband who was a Greek iirc
Don't worry about it mate.
You are most welcome. Thank you Greece for protecting Europe.
Δεν είναι δώρα φίλε μου. Είναι προαπαιτούμενα του συμβολαίου των 4 δις ευρώ για τις φρεγάτες. Όλοι οι υποψήφιοι δίνουν με τις προσφορές τους αλλιώς δεν παίρνουν τη δουλειά. Ο δημοσιογράφος βλογάει τα γένια των Βρετανών τη στιγμή που κλείνουν δουλειές για την πώληση των κινητήρων του Eurofighter στους Τούρκους για το ΤFX. Να τους πούμε κι εκεί μπράβο;
@@trevtall1094 We do not name our ships after foreign leaders.
Greece is our closest and best european friend :) So many years of close partnership and a Royal relationship. Love the Greeks
hHAHAHAHAHAAH Aye right !
Then give back the Parthenon Marbles stollen from Greece and stop voting in the UN to help the Turks against Cyprous.
@@KalFulsom technically looted from Ottomans, every country has been looted at some point. The museums are free so it's not like Greece is losing anything.
@@KalFulsom they were purchased legally
No Denmark is are best
I love the Type 23s and i am glad they will be given a new life with one of our allies instead of being scrapped, I hate learning about a ship and then seeing the final pictures of it being ripped apart in a scrapyard it is awful.
This is excellent news. All the Best Greece.
Τhank you British friend!!!
This is great !Thank you very much 🇬🇷🤝🇬🇧
@@user-yf9yz5jj9j We may have left the EU but we have not turned our back on Greece. All the very best.
@@llamudos9809 you are our oldest and most stable/valuable ally. Many Greeks forget it unfortunately. Our relationship was stained due to the Cyprus issue (admittingly, Greeks had a fair share of bad decisions concerning the matter ) and many Greeks developed ill feelings against the UK. Nevertheless, I believe in the Anglo-Greek friendship and I would like to see the ties between our two countries strengthened again. I prefer Greece detaching itself from german influence and getting tighter with our traditional allies (the UK 🇬🇧and La Grande Nation 🇫🇷).
@@llamudos9809 You did well and left the German-occupied EU. We should have done the same, but we have traitorous politicians. Greece and England fought side by side with the SS in World War II, you do not forget that.
I hope this is true. Stay strong Greece respect from England 👍
You mean the uk
No he means England
@@bernardhoney7063 built in the Clyde so a gift from Scotland then .
@@paulmccormick3745 You might have built it, you certainly never paid for it!
What’s all this bullshit then ? More “we hate Scotland” “we hate England” how old are you people? We’re not enemies, we fight and die together in the same army , navy , and airforce do we not ? We’re not in the 13th century ffs.
The Greek Navy is large compared with its population. It's impressive.
Not really, you can throw in as many patrol boats and light craft as you want it doesn’t make a strong blue water surface combatant fleet
@@RNS681 Let's read my words,"navy is large compared with its population" I seem to not have written "They have a great blue water navy.for their
@RNS681 , your comment shows that you know nothing of what you're talking about. The Greek navy has many frigates, advanced submarines and will soon have the newest Frigates and Corvettes from the French company Naval Group. It is a well designed and formidable navy for their limited territory. Perfect for defending against Turkey. Which is all they want anyway.
@@fjw-AT5145 The Greek Navy is truly amazing. At this point, they could take on the Russians by themselves.
Does anyone wonder why there is concern about aggression from one NATO member against another? Does anyone wonder why Turkey is still in NATO?
Mainly because of their strategic position on the east/west border
They should never been invited, they are untrustworthy. Special with that BOBO that now rules that country .
Turkey is one of those members of opertunity .during the cold war.
They are one of those nations that are more trouble than allies .
Very good point!! Turkey should be kicked out of NATO!
@@5taunch Was in the past but not anymore, is not Russia the threat anymore but China
Thank you U.K !
As a brit I'm 100% with you Greeks. It's a shame you have to spend so much of your GDP on military spending because of the turkish
Hopefully one of those ships is named Duke of Edinburgh or Prince Philip after the Queens recently deceased husband who was a Greek iirc
Doesn't he have a Greek Title? Whatever his Greek Title is or was not sure if he had to give it up, would be cool.
True but he was disliked but he people of Greece.
@@101logic forgive me I'm an American and not too familiar. I know that Philip was a Prince from Greece and his family had to flee after the end of the first World War. I think from what I remember is there was fighting with Turkey which led to Civil War and a Government change? That's about all I remember.
@@mikebrase5161 After WWI was over Greece and Turkey continued to fight. Greece was doing well at first and invaded what is today Turkey, or the then newly formed Turkey (by the Allies who had won WWI and had put an end to the Ottoman Empire which was on Germany's side). To make a long story short after Greece beat the Turkish army in western Turkey, they moved further east and deeper into Turkey. After several successes and encountering low resistance and not much of organized troops, they had to halt the advance when Turkey started using "scorched earth" strategy, because they did not have good resupply lines. They had exceeded their expectations and had moved so deep into Turkey that they got cut off from their resupply lines. So when Turkey regrouped and began to counter attack the Greek army withdrew and fled on ships across the Aegean back to Greece. The Turks were not happy and wanted revenge, so they took it on the large Greek civilian population living all along the western coast of Turkey (for thousands of years). The city of Smyrna with the highest Greek population (was a Greek city state from ancient times) got hit the worse with >100,000 greek men, women and children slaughtered. In the end 1/4 million greek civilians were murdered up & down the Turkish west coast, and all Greek shops, businesses, and many of their homes were burned to the ground in 1922. The ones that lived were the ones that escaped in small boats to Greek islands and the Greek mainland before Turkish troops arrived to their city, town or village. There was actually a substantial # of greek refugees that fled to Greece to avoid the brutalities and slaughter they knew were coming when they learned the Greek army had fled and the Turkish army was advancing westward. The ones that stayed in Turkey or did not have the means to flee met a brutal fatal end.
A large number of Greeks blamed the king and the royal family for the army's failure and the ensuing war crimes and genocide of the Greek population in Turkey. This resulted in a massive anti-monarchy movement. King George and his son prince Andrew (father of prince Philip/Duke of Edinburgh) who commanded some of the Greek troops and was partly blamed for some of the failed Greek expedition into Turkey stood accused in a sort of mock trial. The court's decision was exile so they had to leave the country. I just wanted to give you some background and what led to the Greek Royal family's exile in 1922.
@@vtecharrys.6981 I 100% appreciate the time you took to write that all out. I have been studying military history for 40 years and sincerely appreciate your level of knowledge thanks for educating me on a subject I only vaguely know.
Robo voices are getting better. But still have a long way to go
Not so sure
yeah, can actually listen to them now without wanting to go insane
Great looking ships.
My company sold off a lot of its old ships in the 1970s and early 80s - mostly for scrapping, but a number of them were bought by Greek shipping companies. As far as we were concerned, these vessels were beyond economic repair, and yet 10 to 15 years later they were still running, and still earning a profit. The Greeks are superb mariners in that regard, and I'm sure they will make very good use of the two Type 23s.
Babcock's proposal is a vfm offer. Big ships with great capabilities in saturation attacks and asw. 4 new ships for 2 billion €, plus 0.5 for an end of life modernization of the 4 Meko HN and the 2 T23
Thanks England 💖🙏💖🙏
May God protect all the troops 🙏🙏💖🙏🙏💪
Not England! It's the UNITED KINGDOM!!!!!!! Go to Google and learn the difference.
@@davidbarr9343 Στην Ελλάδα λέμε '' με το ζόρι παντρειά δεν γίνετε''
@@davidbarr9343 Alright Dave.. Jeez.
Love this
@@arkas6797 aye very good smartass for posting in a language we don't understand! Take a hike and close the door behind you.
Totally misleading information. Type 23 Frigates will be given to Hellenic Navy as an "intermediate" solution only if Britain (Barbock naval company) wins the 2 billion program/contest for 4 type 31 frigates. Taking into account that Britain was the ONLY country that was resisting on a total condmnation of latest Turkish actions in Famagusta (Cyprus) during the proceedings of the latest UN security council, I really doubt that Barbock will win the the contest. Britain has chosen side.
if no strings are attached they are most welcome with our gratitude
Nice to see European, freedom loving countries working together.
I didn’t notice how poor is Greece, the hilarious sorry ( Hellenic) navy needs a lot of charity to survive in one of the weakest economies and most corrupted governments in Europe. Which has been embraced by Europe for being Christian. At the same time Turkey one of the biggest economies in the world with one of the strongest armies and military industries in the world and has a strong influence on Central Asian countries, gets bad treatment from Europe neighbours and Nato allies because they are Muslims. I think anti Islam is the current wave
@@mosab79 'one of the biggest economies in the world' hahaha
@@silverhost9782 Turkey is among the top 20 economies in the world while Greece is in the 53ed place
@@mosab79 Greece has a higher gdp per capita. Not that any of this is relevant. NATO doesn't like Turkey because Turkey is run by a twat, not because of 'muh islamophobia!! 1'
@@banger2998 Do you know that Greece was made by the British just to hurt Turkey? And in what logic an island 2 km away from Turkish shore belongs to Greece? By 2023 these islands and a big body of water will return to Turkey. I don't think Turkey needs NATO, but can NATO survive any more? NATO lost Iraq to Iran and lost Afghanistan to Taliban, couldn't do anything to the crazy dictator of Egypt (Al Cici) and started supporting Khalifa Hafter the Libyan war lord and almost failed. The only NATO member with some victories in the past decade is Turkey.
The wrens of Montrose crew (Port) have been scuttled more times than the French fleet at Toulon.
Mighty Monmouth, The Black Duke - old ships, spent a couple of happy years on her.
Outstanding choice. Brits coming through.
Not like we need them !!!!! Love Greece from the uk.
two more front line fleet gone and we STILL haveno replacement to follow them ready yet.
Good news, if something heats up between Greece and Turkey, the UK would definitely support Greece, and I’m very happy to be a part of the friendship 🇬🇧🇬🇷
They wouldn’t
As they supported Turkey to invade cyprus in '74, and still do now.
britain won't support greece, it didn't when turkey invaded cyprus, so why wouldit now/ besides we've nothing to help them with
These old 32 year ships are good for pots & pans, what sort of gifts are these ? I thought Beware Greeks bearing gifts no the British...
Tbh, after the comprehensive life extension and weapons/sensor upgrade of these fine and still very capable ships, we should be retaining the eight ASW-optimised units ourselves for an extra 5 to 8 years beyond projected replacement date. All while still building the T26, T31 and projected T32 frigates as per existing timelines. Additional new types units (eg; 2xT26 ASW, 2xT26 AAW optimised variants to complement the ludicrously low number of 6 T45 destroyers, 3xT31 and 1xT32) would then also be projected, to eventually replace the T23s at the end of their now yet longer service lives.
An accompanying major weapons/sensor upgrade of the virtually new Batch2 River OPVs as well, would then add 5 capable corvette-type combat units to an escort fleet then totalling 37, all types (6x T45 AA/MW, 2x T26 AA/MW, 10xT26 ASW, 8xT31 GPF, 6xT32 UAV/USV/USuV operating platforms with emphasis on ASW & Mine countermeasures, 5xCorvette type B2 Rivers)
I hope the British gets the contract. Their offer is the best
The best gift that England can give to Greece is: to help Cyprus and not to betray it as they did. Do not give any military aid to Turkey, at least from now on.
England ????? , not England’s to give , do you mean The United Kingdom?
How about we take it back.
Greek Cypriots made a mess of it all, should have followed Singapore model for resolving ethnic tensions
@@kordellswoffer1520How about taking back India and American colonies as well? We fought on your side in 2 World Wars and we have been betrayed more than twice. What UK never wanted to see beside what happened back in 1974 was a united Cyprus with Greece. Wake up you ain't an empire no more.
@@MinoanSitia we ain’t an empire but those island are ours much like Hong Kong and the Suez Canal. We aren’t a empire but we are more powerful then any other nation in the region by large margins
For a moment there I thought we might be giving them the Elgin Marbles back. I guess a couple of warships is more useful given their current predicament.
With the way the EU treats the UK atm giving back the Marbles would be seen as weakness of the UK government to an European bully who would spin the narrative.
@@trevtall1094 Why would we give them back? We did not steal them, we bought them. So we could sell them back. Anyway, back to the subject at hand. I'm happy to be helping the Greeks if the deal is what they are looking for.
@@Mark_Bickerton you bought them from the turks? omg you have 50 iq
@@billwhoever2830 We bought them from who at the time, had the right to sell them... those in charge!. Who else would be buy them from? Also, who has ever said of a prospective deal, we want to buy this, but we are going to wait until someone else is in charge? (which might never happen) Seems to me you are the one with special needs!
@@Mark_Bickerton These are more than just rocks, they are national treasures and they belong to their city.
Buying stuff from anyone but the owner means stealing. The one who "was in charge" is not always the one with the rights to sell the treasures of a city.
Its comparable to someone stealing your phone and then selling it to me for 10€. The phone although bought by me can be legit claimed by you (and when I say legit I mean it, I will just lose my 10€ and you will get your phone back).
This offer did not come about, as both Vessels are still in Portsmouth, and are now stripped of a lot of equipment(one still has its 4.5inch Gun) and anchored in Fareham Creek awaiting disposal by scrapping.
Much respect to our Greek allies HMS Montrose built in Scotland and named after the town on the Scottish East Coast 🇬🇧
and her place in the front line will be taken by an archer no doubt.
@@andyreeves5129 Yes Andy we are in danger of emasculating the Royal Navy by ever reducing tonnage. The little ships saved our bacon at Dunkirk but this isn’t 1940 it’s 2022 and an ever increasing threat is looming from the east.
Greece to leave EU. Huge deal regards UK tourists/ex pats. This is just a sweetener. The Greeks know that the German-led EU has always shafted them. Never received preparations from Germany.
Two thirty years old ships, at the end of there usefulness, to gift them, is cheaper then to scrap them.
A well built warship can be maintained pretty much indefinitely, though some of it's equipment might get so dated it can't get spare parts anymore. The Sea Wolf is still a pretty good short range air defense system (it was freaking fantastic when it first came out). A gun is always useful. A helicopter capacity never gets old. Eight Harpoon launchers are as useful now as they were back then, depending solely on which generation of Harpoon they are loaded with, just like the torpedo launchers.
These are not so old that their systems cannot be maintained and they are definitely useful enough for the Greek navy in the Mediterranean. They are NOT sufficient for the British Navy intending to sail carrier groups into the South China Sea.
@@panpiper They bought all exept 2 of the S-class frigates from the netherlands even the one that was destined for spare parts and scrapping , was put back in to service in 2004 and still serves the Hellenic navy.
And most of the S-class are build in the 1970s with a few in the early 80s. going for 40+ years. only thing is they did not keep the goalkeepers that where on those ships. to expensive .
@@panpiper yes, a old Style Battleship like the IOWA class without any computer ( before the modernisation ) can be in nearly unlimited in Service.
A modern ship ist old when it were commisioned.
After ten years every computer need replacement, after twenty every wire onboard, after thirty years you must rip out ever piece of electric Equipment.
The Sea Wolf was good, ( twenty years ago) but it is a system with very few costumers, ( like every system on the ships) so spare parts ( the produktion of Sea Wolf endet 2010 ) are rare.
I am not sure that the ships have the New CAMM missle, when they have it, are the missles very expensive.
The S Class ( the 8 german F122 class Frigattes were halfsisters) had Systems that were used in a lot of Western ships, so spare parts were easy to get from a lot of sources.
The Typ 23 would be white elephants in the greek navy, with very few or no spare parts.
One of them is a shell and the other is well used. 1
How are cut price type 31 Frigates likely to perform.
better withoutfalling apart through old age any £ should go toward a 6th t31
If these are good enough for Greece then they are still good enough for the Royal Navy. We need more ships not less.
I am pretty sure they are going to replace them with better ships
@@georgekordalis5465 maybe but we need more ships in our navy. We are relying too heavily on our allies to fill the gap. After all we are an island nation and our forces are spread very thin especially as China and Russia are expanding theirs and are becoming very aggressive.
They plan to boost the escort fleet for the Aircraft carriers to 24 ships by 2030. Not sure how much ships is being added but you will find it in the defence reviews.
They are replacing the Type 26's with new Type 31's.
I agree they shouldn't get rid of them all and keep them close to home.
We can all agree HMS Ocean should never had been sold as and got new helicopters for her or converted her to take short take off and landing drones
@@tonyjedioftheforest1364 there being replaced with 8 modern type26 Frigates that look kinda similar to the 45 destroyer plus 5 other class of new frigate but it’s going to be about 20 years untill all the new ships and subs are completed
and now we are down to seventeen ships of the line, i don't care how many are building, the navy needs them now.i'm waiting to see what the production time for building and commissioning the t31 will be,
Better giving them to our Greek friend than scrapping them.
Think that they will be gifted only if Greece buys the tupe 31 frigates. They are not free if it comes with strings
Good
In in our interests as well as our allies in the med that some buffer is provided in the Eastern Med and basically It doesn't matter either way . Greece has always been safe ally and its simply the UK extending its capability in a very volatile region which appears to be revolving around Erdoğan and Khameni .
" Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts "...some Trojan Soldier...
@@ericgrace9995
," never trust the english"....... pretty much the entire world.
@@eliassolomou980 never trust the English? Wtf is with that racism
Greek military is pretty good in its own right. Does it want two 30yr old ships?
Apparently so. Its Navy hasn't done too well recently. Plus these are infill assets until new ships arrive. Better than scrapping serviceable ships.
The greek navy uses ships fron the 1980's and 1990's which are 30 years old..these type 23 has been modernized and are more modern compared to some greek frigates
should have gone to the commonwealth like the kiwis.
About time, must be Ben Wallace a very underrated MP.
Has anyone corrected this channel yet by telling them that the RN is not donating the ships.....unless the Greeks buy Babcocks Type 31 and that its a package deal. That the French are offering two of their vintage F70 type frigates with their national shipbuilders bid and the US, Dutch and Germans are all having to make similar offers. Clickbait drivel and a poor reflection on the channel.
maybe somebody would give us a couple of ships
@@andyreeves5129 why we’re building two classes of escort right now. We have a replacement destroyer on the drawing boards and another class of frigates the same. Plus we’re building new Trident subs in Barrow right now.
they are nice good ships, the T23 are upgraded..but I learn that they are taking 10 T23 out of service .. the UK government could sell them separately since they will go for scrap anyway.Honestly the UK has to be more generous if it wants to get the 5 billion euro package
Let's hope they are more potent than refurbished submarines we gto from UK years ago. Hello from Canada.
hello can we have our upholders back pls?
If the Greeks were smart they would go with the French Belhara frigate or the Italian version of the FREMM.
When will they be towed there.
Yeah I think there is some miscommunication. Those two 30-year old ships will be sent to Greece for scrap metal, not active duty, to be used towards building new ships in Greek shipyards :-)
This is great news as Greece is a good partner but now send 2 type 23s to the Philippines to assist in their problems with the Chinese PLA.
Both frigates will need an extensive refit, which could take upto 2 years. Could cost £millions and that's alot of money for 30 year old ships
spend any money on anothert31
"frigate, warship, vessels" this robo commentary is gibberish!
Indeed. Frigate is quite sufficient. I wonder why people do this?
It is a frigate, a warship and a vessel. What’s your problem? 😆
Why they should be given to the philippines.This is where there needed . This is crazy
Only if the Philippines agree to buy Type 31 in one of it's variants. The "gift" is only there for sales initiative and recognition of sorts, for the late naval champion Duke of Edinburgh.
to the commonwealth.
Skoda Class? that's why the RN called them when I was posted to it.
is it april fools already?
Monmouth is not in a great state. She was decommissioned in June this year.
@@PitchBlackTales She's been laid up and stripped of equipment since April 2019. Look at the latest pictures. She is not in a good state
I think that's pretty much what many people here are saying - these ships are not in great shape to engage newer ships in battle with their old technology limited weapons and defense capabilities by today's standards. Today most fighter jets can launch anti-ship missiles from 75-100km away (and some much farther out), and these old ships can only defend against enemy fighters at 10 to 20km max.
who is going to escort queen elizabeth? a grey painted gosport ferry?
Brits really are going all out arent they. Throwing in some freebies, but thats still useful for Greece. Makes me think they really are serious about rebuilding U.K shipbuilding and building out allied shipbuilding as well. The number one goal of U.K shipbuilding should be to bring in shipyards of allied countries so you can churn out more vessels more quickly, grow the workforce and maintain it, which in turn, enables you to win more contracts.
Never going to happen , to many specialist nations and ship building companys around Europe with huge capacity of building ships
we should use foreign yards ours on the Clyde are so slow its an embarrassment
Probably got about four mm of hull thickness left,,,
Yes, what do you do with a 30 year old ship other than scape and paint a lot.
Give them the Frigates. This could be the start of the UK building and exporting warships!! We desperately need to get our foot in the door with some country. Give them 2 frigates, equals multi billion contracts and likely more in the future. Grow economy, more defence cash, more UK defence spend.
Australia would be a great partner to work with .They need to build up their navy to combat China and so far they have been badly let down by all their chosen ship builders
They need Submarines Destroyers and frigates
start of our shipbuilding? it takes the clyde 4 years to build an opv maybe we'll give them away too. justover a dozenfront line ships we're smaller than italy's fleet and spain isn't far off either if we canGIVE away our ships, why doesn't the t31/26 order go up as well? this is a con, and no good to anybody except the treasury and the greeks, those ships should have gone to the kiwis who are desperate for ships, or south africa where we could have used them as chips to get access to simonstown again, NOT IMPRESSED.
@@andyreeves5129 Since my post over a year ago there has been a lot of changes for the RN whether that's the T26 construction spread over 3 ship yards, the RFA's awarded to Belfast, the additional contract to complete the 8x T26 complement as well as the Babcock infrastructure and start on the T31e frigate programme.
The incredible shrinking navy.....
How so? The type 23 are being retired anyways being replaced by 13 type 28 frigates and 5 type 31e general purpose frigates.
@@kelanakelana7998 Is the RN larger or smaller than it was 20 years ago....
@@lmyrski8385 yes it has shrinken but for good reason the british didnt have an empire to maintain anymore all they have to worry is the home front britain currently has europe most powerful navy it's ment for power projection russia navy is ment for coastal defense and it has no carriers mostly consisting of small corvettes.
They would be best used to patrol our waters
but think how many boat people they could ....save.
Why don't we need them if they are still in good condition!
Do you Rosbifs have Turkey as your neighbor?
The two retied/ing Type 23 Frigate warships are old and great but do not fit with the present Greek Navy system infrastructure, that alone free or not is a bad option or offer in the overall deal. I wonder why the UK does not sell them to the Cypriot Navy at a good price under the condition of supporting the UK Akrotiri Base in Cyprus there, when and if in need.
if we canGIVE ships away why are we so short? we've lost ANOTHERTWO SHIPS without a single replacement to replace them yeti'm not impressed.
@@andyreeves5129 excellent response, todays ships under war conditions are long range missile platforms, more power less ships but look at what happened to the Russian cruiser Moskva. Player out! So a agree more ships are required not less or free.
Hope they won’t leak. If the Greek have to spend more money to repair it in its already very bad economic condition.
But why would Greece want an outdated war boat?
Because that's all they get,,, freebies
Pretty much sure they better than they have now
@@johnbaxter3086 Well, they could go for the newer classes that are more updated. It's just that they are not willing to spend that much I guess.
Theyre not outdated, greek uses ships from the 1980's and 1990's but those has been modernized the type 23 has been modernized as well it's on par with most frigates.
@@HHH-zz3ip not really greek is planning to order newer royal navy type 31e frigates and these 2 are temporary until the type 31e is commisioned
About bloody time we helped our Greecian friiend
0.44: 'in the face of PERCEIVED Turkish aggression'
Beware of the Brits bearing gifts. 😂
There is a joke in this somewhere around Greeks bearing gifts but I can’t nail it.
We don't have enough to sell lol
Hahaha
You know these are old retired ships right ? Were using what type now?
@@shaundavidssd type 23 their replacements have not been built yet
The UK got some monster frigates being rolled out
Old tech so not going to miss them
When was the last time the UK sold a new warship to anyone?
HMS Ocean sold to Brazil.
@@markmeadows3485 Oh, the RAN brought a nice amphibious warfare ship of the RN a few years back. Only a few years old: only sailed to Spain every Sunday. HM Ocean was over 25 years old!
NOW When was the last time the UK sold a new warship to anyone. France, Spain and Germany sell warships, submarines and occasional tug boat. The UK has not been in the international ship building business for generations.
@@russellmiles2861 We are to be selling 5 new Type 31 frigates to Ukraine the deal was made only a week or 2 ago. Babcock International in Scotland got the contract to build them.
@@ulsterinfidel9897 that must be the first such sale in decades.
BAE's Type 26 design for Australia (with 9 units) and Canada (with 15 units).
Why arewe having ships built in Eu countries
Wish these commentaries would not say….The HMS….
Amazing how well Greece has done since it went bankrupt !
Are they worth it the Greeks and the 30 year old T23 frigates which in the past would have been more the life expired. Greece has been given everything in terms of EEC and Euro support and it a bit like NZ and Argentina never showed much long term interest in moving away from subsidizing inefficient factories and yesterdays rural interests. Portugal on the other hand like Chile immensely imporved their economic structure and managed a very advanced high tech defence structure proving to be the United States most loyal ally of all, Portugal. In WW2 the British and NZ defence of Creete and Greece and was at immense loss in life and the best RN cruisers were sunk or put out of action for the rest of WW2. Russia benefited from the delay but the only serious argument that can be put forward for the continued support of the Greeks a failed state less worth assisting than Turkey, Egypt or even Tunisia is the Trump proposal that it is possible to build a new canal thru Greece to the Black Sea ( not by an easy or short route) to enable more effective military pressure on Russia. Surely we should forget about the Black Sea and concentrate on an effective Pacific alliance to check Chinese expansion and predatory commercial activities and to stop their furthur development of a full nuclear submarine deterent force which worked given that full US/Russia SSN/SSBN Capability may not be preservable or replicated in the West.
There are no free lunch!
Britain arming Greece v Turkey....interesting! Long standing Allies are Greece. Good business and strategy from the outside looking in...
We Brits are just like the American''s... We suck at making Cars but when it comes to our Military Hardware(Especially them floaty things) we are right up there!
80% of British built cars are exported so somebody must like them .
We suck at making cars? wow thats a clown remark....
Boeing and Airbus are using Rose Royce engines so Brittish cars dont suck!
The UK makes alot of good things the only problem is that previous UK governments have allowed others to asset strip so Brits tend not to bang the drum for them all that much
justthat by the time the navy gets them in service, they're obsolete
This is not a gift. This comes with a contract that many countries want and give similar or even better "gifts". The gift of the Germans for the 4 billion contract is 2 brand new Type 214 subs. Now my dear Brits, can we make the contract with the Germans and take your type 23 since it's a "gift"?
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What a stupid decision
Isn't amazing just how many "GREEKS" are on this comment section that are blaming the British for the Turkish invasion of Cyprus,are amazing experts on the state of the Greek Navy, suddenly want the other nations to build the ships not the British.
It's also amazing that most of them have no comment in their YT pages that are on a couple of years old. Hopefully the people making the decision on the purchase of the ships are more intelligent than these trolls
Personaly I dont care from who we will buy any new frigates as long as they are equiped with exactly what we need.There are very specific requirements and the ones who are responsible to evaluate the offers do know their stuff really well. If you cant offer exactly what the client wants, tough tits
Greece doesnt need 30 year old aluminium cans. This isnt a gift its just a way for the UK to get rid of a couple of broken down ready to be retired ships on tbe cheap.
Yes, save the dismantling and safe disposal of waste oils and environmental hazards. The Greeks must be desperate.
@@russellmiles2861 greeks will get 4 state of the art frigates andca couple of corvettes probably from france which is a true allie. They are not desperate, if they were theyd accept the tin can rubbish from the UK.
@@conantonopoulos4361 I suppose these ships are state of the art a generation ago. They will be maintenance demanding and unlikely to be able safely operate at sea. The RAN uses it old warships to create reefs but only after safely removing all the hazards waste, cabling and old equipment for recycling. I’m sure it would be cheaper in the long run to acquire a few new build ships that can at least go to sea when required; corvettes or OPV. They ought meets needs.
Greece needs ships and doesn't have a bottomless pit of Euro's .These Type 23 have only just been retired so not that old or out of date and better than what the Greeks currently have .It also fosters closer ties with the UK and the Royal Navy and that isn't a bad thing when your in a conflict with a bigger neighbour
@@bigtony4829 why does Greece need warships. The Cold War is over. Would a few newer patrol vessels be more suitable and much cheaper to maintain in the long run. A 30 ship is going to require a lot a maintenance just to be seaworthy. The RN is junking them for a reason
Some gift, two old ships at the end of their useful lives
They are stopgap units until the new Type 31 Frigates are built and delivered. Plus it gives Greece some modern kit almost immediately. Its up to the Greeks if they want to invest further to keep the T23s for more years.
We fight same fight against the moor.
Ridiculous - why not mothball these fine ships and keep them ready for the inevitable outbreak of hostilities?
Mothballing ships is expensive, with continued costs while in this state. Then there are further costs in bringing any such ship back into service.
We are better spending the money on current ships & future builds.
Partly a manpower question. Are we confident we could crew up old T23s fast enough ?
Robot voices piss me off and I cant what it. Who is the British Royal Navy.?
What? The royal navy? How do you not know?
Its not the "British Royal Navy". Its the Royal Navy !
I thought Greece was in financial trouble
it is, it wastes all its money on rusty junk.
They are completely incompatible with what the Hellenic Navy have been using for decades and the structures it has built for. Radar, torpedoes, main gun will add huge costs to these ships, especially for the short service life that they would have after their purchase. Besides they are NOT GIFTED but offered as intermediate solution in case Greece choses the Babcock design
OK, then maybe Turkey would like them.
@@TwirlyheadSure, go ahead!
the armament as you well know use munitions and missiles that are readily available to any country in NATO. So to say that they are "COMPLETELY INCOMPATABLE" is a phase that a idiot uses. If in your very experienced opinion these ships are incompatible then what equipment does the Greek Navy use?
So they aren't being gifted but only get delivered if they spend billions on British weapons. It would be cheaper if they buy all new Damen Sigma class ships and set up indigenous production and they wouldn't be getting obsolete air defense missiles unless they choose to install them. They too can throw in a ship because the Dutch are retiring a frigate due to lack of sailors.
The seawolf certainly is not obsolete, its even combat proven.
maybe the dutch will donate to us and our pathetic so called navy which is now two more ships less
helping the greeks is good,but i would rather see them go to the kiwis or the south africa navy in return for rebasing rights to be restored to simonstown.
And as a stocking filler the Elgin Marbles -
This two type 23 are only for target practice!!!
Turkey have drone this not practical uk must send eurofigjter to greece 500piece for free
unsuitable for Greece. Believe me
When did you serve on the type 23?
That’s to stop them bleating about Cyprus
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Hold my Cognac 🥃 and keep you crappy ships
Do you all speak German yet?
@@artterial9934 Enjoy the fact that half your poor 🥩 language is for +1000 years from French.
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@@dominationsrebellion6433 brit still think they are an Empire 😂 😂 poor guys.
Hang on, we are giving away warships to protect one NATO member from another NATO member?
Isn't Greece bankrupt?
No we are GREEKS....
Germany pays fore everything, thanks Merkel.
Biggest mistake Greece made was to join the Euro
They wont buy type 31 they are skint
Theyre spending 5 billion Euro to buy 4 frigates. The reason they wont buy your frigates is becausethe UK is a Turkish allie and has always sided with the Turks. The UK cant be trusted and theyre not going to get anything of the 5 billion euros because theyve acted disgracefully against Greece for decades and cant be trusted.
@@conantonopoulos4361 hello my Russian friend
@@eddiel7635 well they bought French in the end … guess Britain is looking for Turkish friends even more now 😣
@@davidscwimer1974 that makes zero sense.
I want to see it to believe it.
Very old..
Nope, commisioned in 1987 and has been modernized turkey uses frigates from 1979 and greece uses frigates from the 1990's
It’s rubbish news and out of place, the ships are old and outdated and can only be given if Greece places an order worth billions,
Very unlikely to happen.
What a poor title once again to make seems like UK doing a good gesture. It's part of a commercial deal including the new Type 31 , there is no gift ... well maybe only if UK win the contract.
Why? RN is desperately short of hulls.
Lol never going to happen...Greece is aware of these old ladies and has much better offers on the table.
Sorry to say but:
1. It's not a gift. They'll be sold and additionaly you hope for a 5bn€ contract.
2. They are scrapped.
3. What UK is doing to Cyprus Republic is enough to forget the UK existence for all time.
if the UK did not have its military base in cyprus. all of cyprus would be owned by turkey right now
@@dsuse3949 yeah, I'm sure dude.... as you say.
@@panagoskonstantinos9015 Its true
@@loyalist5736 Of course.... the UK should be a penholder for Cyprus as much as the turks who invaded. The case in not closed. It will close when the Greeks say so.
@@panagoskonstantinos9015 Whats that supposed to mean ?
Lol gifting garbage is no gift . it probably cost more to scrap them than giving them away.
Garbage ? They are better than any ship in the Greek navy .
@@loyalist5736 Garbage is garbage , we had exersizes with those type 23 in the late 90s when our frigates wher beeing sold to greece and they are not that good. .
The las S-class frigate that was destined to be spareparts and scrap out perfomed those type 23 in all aspects during the large exersizes .
The French offer the best with 4 belhara a powerful frigate with 2 gowind corvettes and upgrade of MEKO we will get two ships by 2025
They're free !! Ungrateful litlle sod
@@crowbar9566 but theyre 30 year old tin cans. Rubbish. Offer something better. I tell you get the Turks of Cyprus and maybe youd be a chance but the UK is a major Turkish supporter. Snd thats the cost, if youd done the right thing by the Greeks theyd be buying ships of you employing thousands of people in your country. Unfortunatelyfor you theyre going to give the 5 billion euro contract to someone else. Most likely France or maybe the US.
@@conantonopoulos4361 You think it's for Britain to get the Turks off Cyprus?
@@crowbar9566 if you want a 5 billion euro frigate deal and you want to create thousands of jobs for british workers then I think your govetnment should stop supporting Turkish aggression against Greece and yes getting them out of Cyprus would be a good start.
@@conantonopoulos4361 The UK does not support Turkish aggression. Try putting up some evidence or examples rather then baseless statements.
Greece should have got chinese navy frigates
Sure - cheap as chips they are and sometimes they even float !
27 year of life. Old ships.