Hope you guys enjoyed this video along with my terrible drawings 😂 What C63/M156/AMG content would you like to see next? 335i and 530i DIYs are also on the way
Videos like these on random hobbies I have are the best thing about youtube and the internet. I'm endlessly thankful for people who make videos and write ups like this online.
Don't even own a W204 yet but this is one of the best exhaust videos I've watched for any vehicle. 10/10 and I will be buying a shirt. W204 is in the future for me without a doubt.
@@dylankent6908The early 2011 C63 AMGs had head bolt issues. Mercedes-AMG fixed the head bolt issue midway through the 2011 model year, so late 2011 cars are fine. Specifically, AMG engine 060658 and onward had the problem solved by updated head bolts, according to some posts on the U.K. Mercedes Club's forum.
Are you kidding me.. the perfect exhaust comparison after scouring UA-cam watching a stupid amount of video for hours to find the tone I wanted lol. Nice job though.
@@lmandrums3118 zero. If you drive normally the car is as quiet as stock. It's insane it still blows my mind. Get on it and it just turns into a beast. Best of both worlds
@@Luxuriouswhite awesome thank you! Looking at an e550 which has the same exhaust setup with the 2 sets of cats and resonators. Trying to see what exhaust work I should do
Man you not only did a full blown comparison, but also explained in detail all possible problems that may arise with the mods! Amazing video for the community. Thx alot!
14:10 Dam if I knew you were making this video I would have sent my clips. I have a shitload for MBH LTH, secondary cat delete with stock resonator and mufflers. They’re insane and got me kicked out of the Nurburgring for being too loud this year 😂
haha I was posting about it for awhile on IG, unfortunately a UA-cam post wouldn't get as much exposure. I have a few friends with a similar setup, sounds ridiculous!
On video I think I like the decat h-pipe or x-pipe with high flow res pipes and stock mufflers I find this is the best set up on the a45 aswell not to respy ,nice and deep low end and balls to the wall loud when full throttle 😂
I thought the resonator had an internal H-pipe? I want to remove the secondary cats with straight pipes, but now I don’t know.. I guess you want some sort of cross over, otherwise you essentially have 2 four cylinder engines.
Wish i knew about this a week ago ! 😂 you didn’t mention my setup and it sounds good af! LTHs zero primary cats zero secondary cats and a custom h pipe for the resonator and stock mufflers secondary is just straight pipe
haha well if you follow me on ig @sam.amg you'd know! are u saying you don't have mufflers? that no mufflers is way too loud on their own nevermind w headers lmao
Headers ruin the sound, it wouldve just had that terrible sound the rest of the headers cars had. Plus primary cat delete also ruins the sound, so it wouldve been the worst sounding out of all of them.
@@Sideways_Singh hi. I’ve got a 2009 C63 P30 pack with 18,000miles. I’m taking your advice of NO headers, NO primary cat delete. The car is used primarily as family sedan so I don’t want any drone when cruising. I’m considering deleting the secondary cat and retaining the resonator and stock mufflers. What is the best replacement for the secondary cat, x-pipe h-pipe or straight pipe?
@@drexlspivey108 h pipe or straight pipe, straight pipe is alot louder, they both sound good, idk which one u might prefer, listen to the difference, try to use speakers with a powerful subwoofer to get a more accurate sound of rea life
Just got my c63 and revisiting this. Secondary cat delete with an x pipe to keep the original setup within the cats. I'll keep my resonator though. I can't stand drone.
The 6 year old me that was OBSESSED with exhausts (I'd near stick my head in the 4.5" tips on rice burners admiring them) died for this videos sins. Incredible content.
Interestingly on the S63 there's only 1 set of cats (no secondary cats) stock, but they might be more restrictive, since at the end of the day it sounds like a C63 with a resonator delete only. Mind you I'm basing this on what I'm hearing in these videos. Also those who say they don't have drone without the resonator should try to keep a steady 2000 rpm under load with a hot exhaust. In that scenario there's some drone, which might get annoying (but you won't get that in normal every day driving). Also great video comparing the exhaust setups!
Its quite interesting how much M156 exhaust setups differ between chassis, my ML63 also doesn't have any secondaries. Even if you delete secondaries on the ML, however, its STILL quieter than a stock C63. Glad you enjoyed the vid!
I got c63 performance package , it got turned. Afew years ago I removed 2nd cat and put straight pipe, it sounds like stock but alot louder when press down,so happy . After a while I wanted to replace resonator with straight pipe too . The muffler man said don't touch it but I wanted to try .the result after 5 minutes test drive with straight pipe 2nd cat and resonator . No no no,it's less noise , it's less amg rumble sound , and I asked him to put the resonator back right after that _ I paid him double for nothing🤣. In my opinion, straight pipe the 2nd cat is cheap and simple but get the big big change. I got a few advices that if I want it louder with the same tone , also remove the primary cat . And It will cost to tune the car again. Too loud is easy to get in trouble with the police. Still thinking 😀
Thanks for sharing! So many combinations are possible its often hard to decide, and on top of that its all subjective at the end of the day haha. Best of luck!
I currently have ARH with sport cars stock resonator and mufflers. I been thinking full ARH set up but I really want to keep the stock mufflers. I was thinking maybe have a local shop replace my resonator with X and H pipe to see what it sounds like and also dyno both to see what gives more gains. Once I decide one or the other I want to replace the 2.75 stock pipes immediately after the ARH set up with 3 inch piping connected to the stock mufflers and why not 3inch tips. How that sounds and dyno it as well 🤔🔊
Hi planing on doing secondary cat and res delete paired up with a afe dry air filters. Do I need a tune or can I just have the set up like that, thanks!
i own a c63 black series special edition number 7 of 60 world wide was made for a exclusive invite order offer in 2015 i was the last of he naturally aspirated models my car has no super charger but a few other tricks and mods internally to get these numbers without turbo or supercharger ,i had both cats removed only and a special custom titanium downpipe and mid pipe kept stock res and the mufflers and i can tell you that i've yet to hear a louder car than mine it has such a beautiful sound and after i tuned it i got the car to 440kw at the wheel that hits close to 700 hp now thats not supercharged it is a 10 second car now on quarter mile 10.7 0-100 3.0 sec , i also did the same to my friends car but he got the army rix downpipes with same both cats and kept res and it sounded allot better then any other exhaust and without the add on of headers, the c63 black series and 507 stock headers are very good as is and swapping them to get maybe 10 hp more and not much a diff in sound and loudness is a waste you don't need it you can make it even more louder by taking res but tbh don't do it its not pleasant to drive if its ur daily any questions happy to ask ,, i don't have a UA-cam or page for my cars but i can dm some sound clips and vids o show
Yeah, I've never heard a C63 with their full catback system, however the car at 14:20 does have ARH headers and the ARH midsection (X-pipe essentially). But it still has the stock resonator and stock mufflers.
great video mate - just noticed the yellow SL number plate to the right of the background ;) what's the connection to that number plate if I may ask :)
Thank you! I am ethnically Sri Lankan, and while visiting family in SL a few years back my mom found a couple license plates sitting at some shop where one of our cars was getting serviced and asked if she could take them 😂 I guess they weren't needed anymore so they gave them to her, and yeah that's that
This video is gold! I have an edition 507 on h pipe + resonator delete and it sounds crazy enough for me. Any chance you can do an exhaust video for the other AMG v8s? Say like M113k, M157, and M177
I could try.. though it would be more difficult. I was able to pull this off because most of my instagram following is M156 owners, so I was able to get all these setups pretty quickly. Its not a bad idea though, maybe ill start asking some people.
I start my driving academy courses tomorrow morning... when I pick up my W204 C63 AMG in the next 6 months to a year from now, the first thing I'm going to do is replace that massive resonator with a double x pipe.
Great video very comprehensive. What is it about the end mufflers in the c63 that make them so popular? I have these mufflers on my e550 coupe and they do as you say produce just the right amount of sound with absolutely no drone... I am tempted to remove them however because I want more volume they do muffle a lot of sound. I was looking for a similar design but more volume.
Do you have any evidence there is an X pipe within the secondary cat setup? I am under the impression they are two separate spun cats, simply contained together with one heat shield, so no direct cross over of the two banks (There is a small H pipe in the resonator)
don't have a W204 but a W221 S63 with a M156 and I would probably go with the res delete something light. I would go louder but I'm not consistently going out the track, and I daily my S63. plus after owning a G37X with a Tomei single exit to the y pipe, no cats removed mind you and that shit had so much drone, and was loud enough you could literally hear my ass coming from a mile and a half away after a while the drone was getting to me a bit and was a little annoying.
Like your S63, my ML63 is very quiet for an AMG... but thats how I like it. Has a bark when you're on it but driving around town its pretty sedate. Have had no desire to change that exhaust haha, in fact, my C63 exhaust is still untouched as well
Hey there, just re-posted it on the site. Transferred to a new platform since this video, here's the updated version: sta-industries.com/products/m156-graphic-t-shirt
Really no significant performance gain UNLESS you do headers. Longtube headers are by far the biggest gain you can get while remaining NA for the M156 V8. At that point, some will say that an X pipe somewhere after will provide a little bit of back pressure resulting in more torque than an H pipe. But that also begins to depend on tune. But if you're not doing longtube headers, any changes will be negligible from a performance perspective, just sound!
Hope you guys enjoyed this video along with my terrible drawings 😂 What C63/M156/AMG content would you like to see next? 335i and 530i DIYs are also on the way
🙌🏽 incredible drawing skills 🎉. Illustrated your point perfectly. Thank you 🙏🏽 so informative.
@@Sympatiko85 glad to hear it!
This video should definitely have more views, the amount of effort put into this video should not go unforeseen.
and the $100s of rubber used
Videos like these on random hobbies I have are the best thing about youtube and the internet. I'm endlessly thankful for people who make videos and write ups like this online.
Don't even own a W204 yet but this is one of the best exhaust videos I've watched for any vehicle. 10/10 and I will be buying a shirt. W204 is in the future for me without a doubt.
Update i now have a pristine pearl white 2011 c63, this car is incredible and this exhaust is coming soon.
@@96Dak318must be a great feeling, I’m looking into one right now 🔥
@@96Dak318Any head bolt issues on that year? Congrats
@@totophandhamaly9944i thought the 2011 and up was good?
@@dylankent6908The early 2011 C63 AMGs had head bolt issues. Mercedes-AMG fixed the head bolt issue midway through the 2011 model year, so late 2011 cars are fine. Specifically, AMG engine 060658 and onward had the problem solved by updated head bolts, according to some posts on the U.K. Mercedes Club's forum.
Are you kidding me.. the perfect exhaust comparison after scouring UA-cam watching a stupid amount of video for hours to find the tone I wanted lol. Nice job though.
Ah sorry to hear that, I noticed a similar thing which is what inspired me to make this video!
Man I can’t say how glad I am you made this video, and it’s so damn thorough and well put together. Cheers man you just gained a sub
I appreciate the support!
Best video ever about the w204 c63 exhaust on UA-cam. Great job!
best w204 compilation video! think I've watched it 10 times lol
Got to be the best video I've seen on exhaust for C63
Thank you!
the 8:03 h pipe res delete is the best one
Dude this video is awesome! If anyone with an M156 has a question about what exhaust setup they do I’m just sending them this!
Long tube headers and an x pipe sounds like heaven
Amazing content Tanish! Congrats on your success 😁
Thank you!
Resonator and 2nd cat delete on my c63. Have to keep those AMG mufflers on. Sound is perfect
Yes sir!
How much drone do you have?
@@lmandrums3118 zero. If you drive normally the car is as quiet as stock. It's insane it still blows my mind. Get on it and it just turns into a beast. Best of both worlds
@@Luxuriouswhite awesome thank you! Looking at an e550 which has the same exhaust setup with the 2 sets of cats and resonators. Trying to see what exhaust work I should do
@@Luxuriouswhiteany idea on what setup if I want it to be quite a bit louder when idle/low revs also ? Nothing obnoxious but still louder than stock
Great video!! Well done!
One of the best comparison videos I've seen.
Thanks!
Sam please do more videos on the review of the C63 W204. Legend of a car and a dying breed.
Man you not only did a full blown comparison, but also explained in detail all possible problems that may arise with the mods! Amazing video for the community. Thx alot!
Great video!! Glad to see my C63 featured :)
Thanks sending the clip!
This is the best video ever just what i was looking for 🔥 respect sir 🙌
Definitely an amazing vid bro I don’t find vids like this at all and I’ve been in the market for a 13 sedan 63 so this vid helped a lot
Glad to hear it my friend!
Akrapovic does not make titanium long tubes for the c63. Akra evolution system only includes the mid section and axle back.
Good to know, just checked as well
honestly secondary cat delete with h pipes is the best setup
Thanks for featuring the monster Sam!!!
Of course! Thanks for sending the clip!
Damn this is a very well built video. Haven't had such a visual and informative video in a while!
14:10 Dam if I knew you were making this video I would have sent my clips. I have a shitload for MBH LTH, secondary cat delete with stock resonator and mufflers.
They’re insane and got me kicked out of the Nurburgring for being too loud this year 😂
haha I was posting about it for awhile on IG, unfortunately a UA-cam post wouldn't get as much exposure. I have a few friends with a similar setup, sounds ridiculous!
what'd you replace the 2nd cat with? I'm aiming for a h-pipe on mine
@@SamAbraham ah dang, don’t have you on IG
@@PrinceTaffy MBH’s secondary cat replacement tubes (straight pipes).
Do a rev video
Thank you I didn’t know what to do
Sweet well you've got a lot of options!
So those first few seconds I now have my new ringtone
Haha perfect
This video deserves many more views
I appreciate it!
On video I think I like the decat h-pipe or x-pipe with high flow res pipes and stock mufflers I find this is the best set up on the a45 aswell not to respy ,nice and deep low end and balls to the wall loud when full throttle 😂
Best car exhaust video ever made
I went the straight pipe route by deleting the secondary cats. Everything else is stock. Great sound under acceleration but sounds stock at idle.
Ok
Nice Job. I'm running MBH and straight to the stock mufflers personally. Sounds nice.
I bet it does, nice setup
This is just great work. Even though I have a w205 it’s still helpful for framing options. Great, great insights, editing and dialogue.
At 10:24 that's my setup on my 507edition 😁 I love it and it's pretty loud 😍
Awesome!
Thanks man!
great video
This needs more view very underrated
I thought the resonator had an internal H-pipe? I want to remove the secondary cats with straight pipes, but now I don’t know.. I guess you want some sort of cross over, otherwise you essentially have 2 four cylinder engines.
Fire video bro, soooooo helpful! Thank you!
Excellent video . . . . Thanks 👍
Please do this video for the W205!!
great video format
Thank you!
Fantastic video, just in time for my headers arriving Thursday. Thanks Sam keep up the great content!
Sweet! You'll have fun with those, and will do!
Awesome video 👍🏼 that guy Vick has the best setups 😎
Vick sure does, maybe we'll get to see his sport coupe in another video some day 👀
Love my c63 507
Great vid as always. The only video one has to watch to gain a full understanding of c63 exhaust.
Thank you!
Deserves more views!
This dude is goated
I miss my C63 with the ARH catless LTHs and x-pipe (stock from res back).
Wish i knew about this a week ago ! 😂 you didn’t mention my setup and it sounds good af! LTHs zero primary cats zero secondary cats and a custom h pipe for the resonator and stock mufflers secondary is just straight pipe
haha well if you follow me on ig @sam.amg you'd know! are u saying you don't have mufflers? that no mufflers is way too loud on their own nevermind w headers lmao
Headers ruin the sound, it wouldve just had that terrible sound the rest of the headers cars had. Plus primary cat delete also ruins the sound, so it wouldve been the worst sounding out of all of them.
@@Sideways_Singh hi. I’ve got a 2009 C63 P30 pack with 18,000miles. I’m taking your advice of NO headers, NO primary cat delete. The car is used primarily as family sedan so I don’t want any drone when cruising. I’m considering deleting the secondary cat and retaining the resonator and stock mufflers. What is the best replacement for the secondary cat, x-pipe h-pipe or straight pipe?
@@drexlspivey108 h pipe or straight pipe, straight pipe is alot louder, they both sound good, idk which one u might prefer, listen to the difference, try to use speakers with a powerful subwoofer to get a more accurate sound of rea life
well done great work
Just got my c63 and revisiting this. Secondary cat delete with an x pipe to keep the original setup within the cats. I'll keep my resonator though. I can't stand drone.
Thanks for the compilation Sam
Rad
Thanks Sam for compiling this
Good Video Sam Loved It
The 6 year old me that was OBSESSED with exhausts (I'd near stick my head in the 4.5" tips on rice burners admiring them) died for this videos sins.
Incredible content.
Haha glad to hear it!
i have an h pipe where my secondary cat was and an x pipe where my res was. Is that bad?
Nothing wrong with that
What a video!!! Thanks 🙏🏼
Interestingly on the S63 there's only 1 set of cats (no secondary cats) stock, but they might be more restrictive, since at the end of the day it sounds like a C63 with a resonator delete only.
Mind you I'm basing this on what I'm hearing in these videos.
Also those who say they don't have drone without the resonator should try to keep a steady 2000 rpm under load with a hot exhaust. In that scenario there's some drone, which might get annoying (but you won't get that in normal every day driving).
Also great video comparing the exhaust setups!
Its quite interesting how much M156 exhaust setups differ between chassis, my ML63 also doesn't have any secondaries. Even if you delete secondaries on the ML, however, its STILL quieter than a stock C63. Glad you enjoyed the vid!
aye this is appreciated
Where can i get the shirt?😍
staindustries.co !!
Underrated video
I got c63 performance package , it got turned. Afew years ago I removed 2nd cat and put straight pipe, it sounds like stock but alot louder when press down,so happy . After a while I wanted to replace resonator with straight pipe too . The muffler man said don't touch it but I wanted to try .the result after 5 minutes test drive with straight pipe 2nd cat and resonator . No no no,it's less noise , it's less amg rumble sound , and I asked him to put the resonator back right after that _ I paid him double for nothing🤣. In my opinion, straight pipe the 2nd cat is cheap and simple but get the big big change. I got a few advices that if I want it louder with the same tone , also remove the primary cat . And It will cost to tune the car again. Too loud is easy to get in trouble with the police. Still thinking 😀
Thanks for sharing! So many combinations are possible its often hard to decide, and on top of that its all subjective at the end of the day haha. Best of luck!
I currently have ARH with sport cars stock resonator and mufflers. I been thinking full ARH set up but I really want to keep the stock mufflers. I was thinking maybe have a local shop replace my resonator with X and H pipe to see what it sounds like and also dyno both to see what gives more gains. Once I decide one or the other I want to replace the 2.75 stock pipes immediately after the ARH set up with 3 inch piping connected to the stock mufflers and why not 3inch tips. How that sounds and dyno it as well 🤔🔊
I honestly use muff delete and resonator super loud
Sec cat + resonator delete sound good
Best intro ever!
Haha thanks man!
Hi planing on doing secondary cat and res delete paired up with a afe dry air filters. Do I need a tune or can I just have the set up like that, thanks!
i own a c63 black series special edition number 7 of 60 world wide was made for a exclusive invite order offer in 2015 i was the last of he naturally aspirated models
my car has no super charger but a few other tricks and mods internally to get these numbers without turbo or supercharger ,i had both cats removed only and a special custom titanium downpipe and mid pipe kept stock res and the mufflers and i can tell you that i've yet to hear a louder car than mine it has such a beautiful sound and after i tuned it i got the car to 440kw at the wheel that hits close to 700 hp now thats not supercharged it is a 10 second car now on quarter mile 10.7 0-100 3.0 sec , i also did the same to my friends car but he got the army rix downpipes with same both cats and kept res and it sounded allot better then any other exhaust and without the add on of headers, the c63 black series and 507 stock headers are very good as is and swapping them to get maybe 10 hp more and not much a diff in sound and loudness is a waste you don't need it you can make it even more louder by taking res but tbh don't do it its not pleasant to drive if its ur daily
any questions happy to ask ,, i don't have a UA-cam or page for my cars but i can dm some sound clips and vids o show
Agree with you , take both cats is the best option_ simple , cheap and still keep stock rumble sound and alot louder 👍
Many thanks for this video
20 SETUPS 😮
dude, awesome work!
I want to hear a full ARH with there cat back I have looked high and low only 2 cars that I have seen had the rear section.
Yeah, I've never heard a C63 with their full catback system, however the car at 14:20 does have ARH headers and the ARH midsection (X-pipe essentially). But it still has the stock resonator and stock mufflers.
@@SamAbraham yea I have that same setup on my c63 you can check it out I have a clip on my UA-cam Chanel. But kinda want to try their rear section.
check out 17:50 ARH no cats
@@shotswithcharlie I have that same setup on my car.
Damn this was great. I wish someone made one for the W211 too!
If I knew enough W211 63 owners I would! Don't think I have enough to make a video like this
@@SamAbrahamw211 e55 сделай такое же видео пожалуйста
Do summary what is the loudest setup?
great video mate - just noticed the yellow SL number plate to the right of the background ;) what's the connection to that number plate if I may ask :)
Thank you! I am ethnically Sri Lankan, and while visiting family in SL a few years back my mom found a couple license plates sitting at some shop where one of our cars was getting serviced and asked if she could take them 😂 I guess they weren't needed anymore so they gave them to her, and yeah that's that
This video is gold! I have an edition 507 on h pipe + resonator delete and it sounds crazy enough for me. Any chance you can do an exhaust video for the other AMG v8s? Say like M113k, M157, and M177
I could try.. though it would be more difficult. I was able to pull this off because most of my instagram following is M156 owners, so I was able to get all these setups pretty quickly. Its not a bad idea though, maybe ill start asking some people.
@@SamAbraham That would be amazing if we can build an archive of the sounds of AMG v8s before they go extinct.
Yo bro you a goat for this video I’ve been wanting do res delete or something to mine but jus scared lol I’m all stocko taco😂😂
Haha glad u liked it man, mines still stock too 😂
Where did you get your shirt from? It looks nice with the Maroon!
Its my company, STA Industries! Thanks! The link to the site is in the bio, staindustries.co
I start my driving academy courses tomorrow morning... when I pick up my W204 C63 AMG in the next 6 months to a year from now, the first thing I'm going to do is replace that massive resonator with a double x pipe.
I done backbox mod and secondary cat. Deep as fuck but drones a lot internally
love content like this. keep it up.
Thank you for the comparison
Of course, been following you on IG for a long time now haha
Great video very comprehensive. What is it about the end mufflers in the c63 that make them so popular? I have these mufflers on my e550 coupe and they do as you say produce just the right amount of sound with absolutely no drone... I am tempted to remove them however because I want more volume they do muffle a lot of sound. I was looking for a similar design but more volume.
The FI mufflers sound the best next to stock.
Do you have any evidence there is an X pipe within the secondary cat setup? I am under the impression they are two separate spun cats, simply contained together with one heat shield, so no direct cross over of the two banks (There is a small H pipe in the resonator)
Weell done my friend, thanks for the knowledge
Very informative video.ans to the point. Subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
Hi, there‘s not a setup with only longtube headers?
don't have a W204 but a W221 S63 with a M156 and I would probably go with the res delete something light. I would go louder but I'm not consistently going out the track, and I daily my S63. plus after owning a G37X with a Tomei single exit to the y pipe, no cats removed mind you and that shit had so much drone, and was loud enough you could literally hear my ass coming from a mile and a half away after a while the drone was getting to me a bit and was a little annoying.
Like your S63, my ML63 is very quiet for an AMG... but thats how I like it. Has a bark when you're on it but driving around town its pretty sedate. Have had no desire to change that exhaust haha, in fact, my C63 exhaust is still untouched as well
Aftermarket cats that pass us emissions ?(east coast)
I believe certain GESI catalytic converters are legal in most states, certainly not California where I'm based
Great video bro.i I'm shopping for a exhaust at moment so fi might the one. Greetings from London!
Best of luck!
Is that a vintage Sri Lankan number plate next to the rim?
Haha yes
Lol c63pilo is the homie tf didn’t expect to see him in this
haha yea ive known him for a while
where to get the red shirt? Cant find it on your site..
Hey there, just re-posted it on the site. Transferred to a new platform since this video, here's the updated version: sta-industries.com/products/m156-graphic-t-shirt
Where to get the pipe to "Primary Cat Delete and 2nd Cat Delete WITH Resonator"??
17:30 вот это самый красивый выхлоп
Curious what Moscow supercharged headers are like.
I'm curious to hear them in person too, they have an old sound clip on their instagram and they sound really good there
WHat are the performance gain (if any) with each scenario
Really no significant performance gain UNLESS you do headers. Longtube headers are by far the biggest gain you can get while remaining NA for the M156 V8. At that point, some will say that an X pipe somewhere after will provide a little bit of back pressure resulting in more torque than an H pipe. But that also begins to depend on tune. But if you're not doing longtube headers, any changes will be negligible from a performance perspective, just sound!
what if i want long tube headers with the rest of the exhaust system stock?