@@KalRandom It sounds kinda like this hypothosis IS a rethinking. It is definitely an out of the box explanation to say that we have a black hole and not a conventional planet out there. I agree with Hank, whether this proves to be right or wrong it may get people to rethink the conventional wisdoms that they have on the topic.
@@veggiet2009 The guys that put up the first hypothesis said 40k year orbit, now it's a 15k orbit. I have seen orbital periods all over the board. I'm just tired of guess work that sounds like there putting up every theory in the book on a dart board, and throwing a dart to see what will we release next. Heck before you know it Zecharia Sitchin fantasy theory will be next "up for per review".
Haven't looked at the paper, but it is a decent enough idea. Primordial black holes are a legit possibility, and if they exist then it is possible our solar system could have grabbed one. The bit about it being surrounded by dark matter is also a legit idea already in the literature, but it is a bit more wishful imo. That's because if primordial black holes exist then it seems likely that they simply *are* dark matter themselves, so there wouldn't be any other dark matter to self-annihilate into gamma rays. Which is sad for this scenario, because it would mean that this tiny black hole was basically impossible to observe.
Cracked Emerald Not quite. Anything with less mass than say, a person, can’t maintain its size, and will quickly evaporate... By the way, did I mention that the smaller it gets, the faster this goes? and it can go from Nickel mass to 0 in a fraction of a second? ...and that it converts almost all that mass into energy, which in the case of a nickel, is 0.005kg x 9 x 10^16 = more energy than was released by both Atomic bombs dropped on Japan?
looks like we got a humor hipster here. hey guys, check out how sophisticated this guy is, he thinks anything old and mainstream can't be funny, isn't he a trendsetter? not only that he has to put down other people making harmless comments because they aren't as hip and cool as he is. what a real fine example of the human species.
Space is so big that that'd be really hard. The width he describes (9cm) would be referring to its event horizon, so running into that in an orbit way past Neptune would be a hell of a lotto to lose.
Don't worry, you're more likely to die from a stray bullet, a violent assault, car accident or even a tiny meteorite hitting your house before having any kind of interaction with this theoretical PBH. Hope this helps you sleep better! xoxo
Will we ever figure out nuclear fusion? Will we ever create a rocket engine that uses fusion for propulsion? If the answer to those is yes, then we'll definitely visit this thing. The only reason Hank says we won't is because he's either unduly pessimistic about our technological progress, or has never given it a modicum of thought.
Scientists: There might be a tiny black hole in our solar system instead of a ninth planet. No, our paper hasn’t been peer reviewed yet. Everyone: *press X to doubt* In all seriousness, there is a non-zero chance of this hypothesis being correct and I won’t deny that. Can’t wait until we figure out what’s really going on with those orbits :)
The only reason blackholes, dark matter and dark energy exist is because theoretical physicists needed extra energy to explain the movements of galaxies, they are constrained with gravity being the strongest force in the universe. On the other hand plasma cosmology already has explanations of observed phenomenon because they regard electricity as the strongest force, a force technically trillions of times stronger than gravity. The safire project has experimental evidence for the electric model of stars, theoretical physics using the standard model have no experimental evidence. when it comes to black holes they have basically divided a huge number by zero and are constantly dumbfounded by new observations already predicted by the electric model!
Elwyn R yeah except the CMB is an observable thing, not explainable by plasma cosmology, which means the Big Bang must have happened, which means Einstein’s theory of general relativity is accurate, which means the conclusion of black holes must be, too. Same for dark matter. There are several explanations for dark energy but the term is a blanket term for all of them. We’ve seen and studied black holes. Therefore current plasma cosmology theories must be wrong.
@@adamcawa The theory/hypothesis of the big bang has been questioned by many astrophysicists. For example. Halton Arp’s paper “Companion Galaxies on the Ends of Spiral Arms” was submitted to the prestigious Astrophysical Journal. The paper shows an active spiral galaxy NGC 7603 with its companion attached by a bridge of matter to a spiral arm. The redshift of the larger galaxy is 8,700 km/sec and the smaller, 17,000 km/sec. According to the redshift-distance equation, the companion galaxy should be a far-distant background object with no possible connection to NGC 7603. Since then, two small quasars with far more discordant redshifts have been found in the bridge. And in another celebrated instance, a supposedly distant quasar has been found in front of an opaque, much nearer galaxy. So if Arp and others are right and the Big Bang is dead, the simplest answer as to what the Cosmic Microwave Background signifies is that it represents the natural microwave radiation from electric current filaments in interstellar plasma local to the Sun. Radio astronomers have mapped the interstellar hydrogen filaments by using longer wavelength receivers. The dense thicket formed by those filaments produces a perfect fog of microwave radiation-as if we were located inside a microwave oven. Instead of the Cosmic Microwave Background, it is the Interstellar Microwave Background. That makes sense of the fact that the CMB is too smooth to account for the lumpiness of galaxies and galactic clusters in the universe. So, in reality, there is no temperature fluctuation from the earliest days of the universe. There is no CMB and there is no anti-gravity accelerating matter in the distant cosmos to almost the speed of light. Birkeland currents flowing through plasma in mega-parsec filaments ignite the stars and form spinning galactic pinwheels as far out as our instruments can see. The widely lauded "photograph" of a black hole exactly resembles a plasmoid, something expected in an electric universe. The Electric Universe theory does not rely on unseen and undetectable matter whose existence can only be inferred. It does not violate its own gravitational cosmology by inventing an anti-gravity force so that galactic acceleration can be explained. Instead, EU theory states that what we see in the universe is what we get. The electric currents flowing through ionized gas and dust provide the energy for the stars and present themselves in straightforward and understandable ways without resorting to arcane sophistry
Imagine if the 9th planet/blackhole at the edge of our solar system was a wormhole that leads to the capital of a galactic civilization. Left for us so we could join them when we and our technology has evolved enough to be seen as worthy.
Yes tom, imagine that! And imagine how disappointed they will be when... ...we never arrive, because let's be honest, our chances of getting through the next century are slim to none, if not the madness of our world leaders and the war they seem to want, if not for the relentless push for ever more resources, that we are destroying our own home, if not for the synthetic intelligence we are developing which could end us all too easily... ...something else will likely get us and it's a pretty good bet, itll be our fault. It's fun to imagine things, yet some things are more believable than others.
I am wondering since a number of orbits are perturbed. Why can't a massive object come close enough to our solar system, but kept on sailing by, to actually have done this as well?
@@sgodsellify According to the simulations, going from ramdomly distributed orbits to the observed bias takes time, a single perturbation event (such as a massive object passing by) won't be enough.
@@sgodsellify it is dominated by the suns gravity, and far enough away that it does not disturb the orbits of the neptune and closer. If it was more massive, would wreck havoc.
4:29 The star is getting wrecked by a black hole...just tearing the stuffing out, wearing out the warranty, just going to town, riding it hard and putting it away wet
Those things are already in the peer reviewed theoretical physics literature, both separately and together. The new contribution of this paper is just to suggest that such a thing could be planet 9.
@@ninjafruitchilled I support investigating the idea. But both dark matter and primordial black holes are hypotheses. Doesn't matter how many peer review it passes. Its science when it's proven by observation. Now please don't say that "Dark matter" has been observed. We just observed some phenomenon and hypothesized that "There must be unseen matter . . .". Unless we confirm it with observation, its just a hypothesis.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 Theoretical physics is still science. Nothing wrong with it. Of course no-one can claim to know whether this or that theory is correct until we get good observational evidence for it.
If I remember correctly it would still take trillions of years since it would be absorbing tiny bits of solar wind and interstellar crap faster than it would be shedding virtual particle pairs, i guess it’s always in the minimum of trillions since it would take that long for everything to be so spread out from each other that even little flecks of solar winds would be rare anywhere you were
Kidney Stone Thats only for large black holes, if I remember correctly small black holes less than the mass of jupiter or so have a runaway decay effect, releasing progressively more and more hawking radiation until it just essentially explodes
I may have some outdated information. I'll have to make some time to dig deeper. But, yeah, so far as I can recall, they imtake at a higher rate than the expell.
if they are able to gain more evidence supporting the existence of this primordial black hole it could open new doors to time travel and research of singularity
If this hypothesis is indeed true, then we can finally confirm that the group of scientists known as "Soundgarden" have been right for years about a 'Black Hole Sun' lololol
@@Brahmdagh It's a bit of sarcasm. Soundgarden were an American rock band that came out in the early 1990s. Their biggest hit was a song called Black Hole Sun.
Lucid Moses right now it has the same possibility of being true as Planet 9, only we actually have something to look for besides visible light making it infinitely more searchable. Plus the opportunity to study primordial black holes, including the pesky matter of whether they exist or not, is too great to pass up.
This sounds like the exact same nonsense they came out with when trying to explain why Pluto is so small, cause many were expecting it to be the size of Neptune. If the observations dont fit your hypothesis then turn your hypothesis up to potato?
@@galenrichter41 The first thing, a black hole in our system to explain the models which predict planet IX. Theres been papers which show whenever you consider the masses of all the small objects that alone can explain their orbits, as most modelers normal forget about small object masses, since their masses are so negligible.
PaJeezy i was thinking the same. Found a calculator online. 9 cm Hole would generate 9.69955E-20 watts. To radiate about 70W or a traditional lightbulb, it needs to be 0.004 nm in diameters or about 3 trillion ton. www.vttoth.com/CMS/physics-notes/311-hawking-radiation-calculator
@@reamie Another way to look at it is its theoretical temperature, and according to the formula in the Wikipedia article (and this is the sort of thing that I am confident W. is accurate about), it would only have a temperature of 1-4 milliKelvin, so not even as hot as the 3 Kelvin background from the Big Bang. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation#Emission_process
I propose it's all the dinosaurs blown out into space 65 million years ago that clumped together and now they're causing gravitational havoc in the kuiper belt. If I write a paper on this maybe sci show space will do a video on it
my theory for planet 9 is that it is the core of the star that exploded and fed our solar system with the elements, would explain where all the heavy elements e.g gold etc came from
I am not a math wizard, in fact I'm not even close, but I do like to think I understand singularities, at least a little. Gravity is our weakest force but exponential & has the longest reach. For a lump of mass to gravitationally collapse into a black hole/singularity, it has to Have enough mass for there to be enough gravity to do so, otherwise it would just evaporate, like the micro black holes created in the Large Hadron Collider. I do not believe in these "Small" black holes. They are just a quirk of math (when was the last time you saw a negative amount of anything, which is a math standard).
I lose my TV remote so often I tied a massive 12 ft rope to it, and my living room is pretty small. Finding a black hole that size that far away... eh. just a little harder. IF YOU FIND IT TIE A ROPE TO IT!
Oof. One could only hope that if intelligent life more advanced than we are now would have seen it coming and figured out a ticket out of there long before things got really dicey.
If you believe me,I’ll tell you something .I live on Mars,and the temperature there is lower than -20degrees.And the thing you say in the video are totally different than ours.A black hole isn’t called a black hole in Mars,instead it is called an ’Eateral space’.You got to trust me,we’re living on the same solar system ,but in different planets.If one day I could get a chance to go to earth,I would be thankful ❤
A near black hole would be great. We could do a lot of research and development around one, but traveling to a distant BH will be impossible for another thousand years. Let’s hope this idea turns out to be true.
On what time scale does a black hole rip apart a star? The NASA animation (ua-cam.com/video/WlUMZNImDWI/v-deo.html) made it seem like you could blink and miss it.
It really depends on the size of the black hole, the size of the star, anf the distance between the black hole and the star. Time wise I don't really know it could go from days to weeks, maybe faster or slower. It is hard to tell with the very little information given in this video about the event.
im starting to think dark matter and black holes may actually be one in the same. Its definitely a stretch, but it would make sense, as we know about dark matter because of its gravitational effects, black holes are also known for this. Another similarity being the near impossibleness of imaging a black hole by itself, due to it being literally absorbing all light. my hypothesis is that most of what we call dark matter may be numerous "primordial" black holes. Thoughts?
The only thing that made black holes less scary was how far away from us they were.. but now that people suspect there's 1 nearby.. hmm ;p /scared time again!
According to the formula in the Wikipedia article (and this is the sort of thing that I am confident W. is accurate about), it would only have a temperature of 1-4 milliKelvin, so not even as hot as the 3 Kelvin background from the Big Bang. Black holes have to be *much* smaller for Hawking radiation to be significant. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation#Emission_process
The second part of this video happened 375 milliong years ago, if we only detected it now, that star was long, LONG gone, still boggles my mind that some of the stars above us are essentially ghosts
Light can go around the earth 7 times in 1 second. The time it takes for light to reach our closest neighborhood star is over 4 years. This thing is over dozens of billions of years away. When the light we are seeing from it now originated, our sun didnt exist yet
Honestly it's unfortunate that it's probably not true could you imagine how much we could learn from having one so close and not be an immediate danger?
Cringe Gaming 64 there’s no way we could see this primordial black hole, according to the video it’s 9 cm in length but has the mass of 15 earths, you’d never get close enough to see it before being ripped apart.
Cringe Gaming 64 no, like I said, nothing could be close enough to see it without getting destroyed in an instant, and even if you could, you cannot “see” a black hole, as they don’t allow light to escape. Jupiter is close to being as massive as this black hole so we can use it to compare. Imagine the size of Jupiter, if you go to it’s surface you experience the normal gravity of a planet of that mass. Now turn it into a black hole and it will be around 9cm across like mentioned in the video, you are still standing at the original surface of Jupiter which means you are now about 6000km from the black hole but still experiencing 11 times earth gravity due to its mass, that alone is enough to crush you and you will be so far away from the tiny black hole that you will have no idea what’s happening, the tidal forces will only get stronger as you get closer.
I predicted a small black hole on Yahoo months before the science guys publicly proclaimed its possibility. I didn't know that primordial BHs existed, so I said it could be a stellar BH that existed much further away from us, but it makes sense to me when you have a gravity well that can't be found.
I believe they vary in sizes, but think about this: He says if it is a old small black hole it got dragged in by our suns gravity possibly, we can see the gravitational anomalies this thing creates by looking at the kuiper belt objects and the far out dwarf planets. Maybe it's possible this thing isn't bleeding out is because it's still consuming quicker than hawking radiation can do it's thing. All just speculation though. Nobody even seems a little concerned of a black hole in our solar system.
If I remember correctly it would still take trillions of years since it would be absorbing tiny bits of solar wind and interstellar crap faster than it would be shedding virtual particle pairs, i guess it’s always in the minimum of trillions since it would take that long for everything to be so spread out from each other that even little flecks of solar winds would be rare anywhere you were
No it wouldn't be gone but it would be super bright and it wouldn't pull things towards itself because after getting less massive than the sun it's Hawking radiation would cancel out the force of gravity. Also making it impossible to "feed".
it just impossible, because according to Einstein theory of relativity, the smallest black hole at least have 5 solar masses, imagine an object with mass 5 times of our Sun in the edge of our Solar System, it will tear apart every planet orbit and Earth will become a rogue planet without parent star.
the peer-review process exist for a reason and it seems to me that nothing good has ever come of spreading news about papers that haven't been through the peer-review process yet
"The paper hasn't gone through peer review yet" Somehow I don't think it ever will. I expect science news, not quackery. Please use peer reviewed sources in future.
If scientists/engineers dismissed anything that was outside of the conventional way of thinking as "quackery" the same way as you, we would never have had any advancements in technology or knowledge. Probably why youre the one watching videos rather than making discoveries.
@@REIDAE No, James is right. There's a wide gulf between "unconventional" and "quackery" and this hypothesis falls in the latter. Astronomers are just as capable of "unconventional" thinking as the rest of us. Fortunately, they know when to keep the craziest ideas to themselves.
I like to think that primordial black holes drag worm tunnels behind them that connect to all the others around the universe by routes as short as they were at the start of the universe. That is to say, very short tunnels. I imagine that aliens herded that tunnel entrance here to get access to the earth when they first started gardening here a few billion years ago.
I remember back in the 80s and 90s hearing about a potential "Planet X". And then I heard that the idea of Planet X was largely debunked. And now that Pluto is no longer a planet, I've been hearing about Planet 9. Is Planet 9 just a renumbered Planet X, or is this something somehow significantly different?
If you're talking about Nibiru then it was a supposed 10th planet that would collide with Earth, but there is no evidence for something like that. The proposed Planet 9 would have an orbit far beyond Neptune which would be why we never managed to detect it. It was hypothesized because certain far away objects had orbits that were aligned with each other in a way that is improbable to have happened on its own, so some researchers hypothesized that there might be a planet that influences them gravitationally.
@@tomshraderd4915 Nope, not talking about Niburu. This was a proposed tenth planet beyond Pluto that was proposed to explain some discrepancies in Neptune's orbit. This was supposedly debunked when ...one of the Voyagers, I forget which... determined that Neptune was more massive than thought, which supposedly explained the discrepancies. But a lot of what I hear about the properties of Planet Nine sound an awful like the properties of Planet X.
I'm on a proper keyboard now, so I can type better (was on my phone for the last reply). What I remember from "Planet X" from back in the 80s was it was hypothesized to be an object several times more massive than the Earth (but less massive than the gas giants) significantly farther out of Pluto's orbit and, most memorably, on an angle that was 30-ish degrees off the ecliptic plane. But as I said, that was supposedly debunked when Voyager discovered Neptune was more massive than previously expected. Except now we are looking for Planet Nine (or a black hole) that is... several times more massive than the Earth but less massive than the gas giants, on an orbit farther out than Pluto's, and possibly in an orbit that could be 30-ish degrees off the ecliptic plane. Maybe I'm misunderstanding Planet Nine, or maybe I'm mis-remembering Planet X, but to me, they sound an awful lot alike. But there could be something fundamentally different about them that I'm not aware of.
@@JasonCorfman Planet X was hypothesized by Percival Lowell because he thought Uranus' orbital wobble couldn't be explained by Neptune alone because he didn't do his math right. Clyde Tombaugh claimed Pluto was Planet X, but other scientists cast increased doubt on this when Pluto kept turning out to be too small to affect another planet's orbit. When Voyager 2 came to Neptune, it remeasured its mass, and when the correct mass was plugged into Lowell's equation, the discrepancies in Uranus' orbit disappeared. Planet X does not exist. That "Tenth Planet" was Eris before the dwarf planet classification was established. Some researchers have proposed a Mars-sized object between Neptune and Planet Nine, but this is not well-supported.
In today's episode of "wow, that's a hell of a hypothesis"
-the paper is not yet peer reviewed
Yeah that'd do it
This is so perfect.
Yeah a lot of IF, Maybe, Could be, and if's, and they think.
A model that has failed for over 50 years needs to be rethought.
At least in my opinion.
@@KalRandom It sounds kinda like this hypothosis IS a rethinking. It is definitely an out of the box explanation to say that we have a black hole and not a conventional planet out there. I agree with Hank, whether this proves to be right or wrong it may get people to rethink the conventional wisdoms that they have on the topic.
@@veggiet2009 The guys that put up the first hypothesis said 40k year orbit, now it's a 15k orbit. I have seen orbital periods all over the board.
I'm just tired of guess work that sounds like there putting up every theory in the book on a dart board, and throwing a dart to see what will we release next.
Heck before you know it Zecharia Sitchin fantasy theory will be next "up for per review".
Haven't looked at the paper, but it is a decent enough idea. Primordial black holes are a legit possibility, and if they exist then it is possible our solar system could have grabbed one. The bit about it being surrounded by dark matter is also a legit idea already in the literature, but it is a bit more wishful imo. That's because if primordial black holes exist then it seems likely that they simply *are* dark matter themselves, so there wouldn't be any other dark matter to self-annihilate into gamma rays. Which is sad for this scenario, because it would mean that this tiny black hole was basically impossible to observe.
Imagine the gravity assists you could get off that small black hole; the oberth effect would be huge!
Cody'sLab Great for interstellar slingshots if it really is there!
Imagine the insane spaghettification possible if you get to greedy in your need for speed ;)
hamstsorkxxor like that one scene from The Expanse where a guy was trying to do a lap race via gravity assists... it didn’t end well for him.
Lol how many Gs you pulling on them turns..... All of em.
Jacob Lee -- Yeah, but you can get a lot closer to the center of the black hole. Just don't get too close.
Ah yes, tiny black holes, I have something new to be unreasonably anxious about.
They could be literally everywhere
Cracked Emerald
Not quite. Anything with less mass than say, a person, can’t maintain its size, and will quickly evaporate...
By the way, did I mention that the smaller it gets, the faster this goes? and it can go from Nickel mass to 0 in a fraction of a second?
...and that it converts almost all that mass into energy, which in the case of a nickel, is 0.005kg x 9 x 10^16 = more energy than was released by both Atomic bombs dropped on Japan?
@@spindash64 Your math facts terrify me even more, thank you. 😂
This is the real reason you're not supposed to put a q-tip in your ear. Subtle pressure could turn your earwax into a tiny black hole.
@@spindash64 We don't know if black holes evaporates or not. It is still an unproven theory.
Them:Tiny blackhole in the solar system?
Me:
Crying in Interstellar
Well according to interstellar timeline the wormhole was discovered in 2019 sooooo....
Murph!
@@Jamie-zl6mw thas whut am saying!... 😂🙋
@@Jamie-zl6mw
*Interstellar Theme Intensifies*
But the interstellar black hole was much bigger
Sounds like something GreyStillPlays would do in Universe Sandbox 2. 😰
YES. GrayStillPlays is the best. Glad to see more of his fans out there
Somebody should mention this to him in one of his vid's comment section.
Gray would throw them at the Earth.
Then he would make it the size of the sun and shoot it at earth at 100000000x light speed
@@trajan_x0128 I have the feeling he would make it the mass of the sun and throw it at a bajillion lightspeed.
Still ugly.
The fact that something can have the mass of earth, much less 10x the mass of the earth, and is the size of my fist is mind boggling
That's black holes for ya.
no this is patrick
It's actually in a single point, the 9 cm is just the radius of the event horizon (the black part)
@@trbz_8745 It's a future spacelike singularity, so it's more like a noodle than a point.
If you were to squish the earth, it would turn into a black hole when squished to the size of a peanut.
"Look you're never gonna visit this thing."
my dad voice: *NOT WITH THAT ATTITUDE*
Hank: Look, you're never gonna visit this thing
Me: Crying in my spacesuit
“which is a scientific way of saying a star is getting absolutely r e k t by a black hole”
i lost lmaooo
It was really not that funny. The fact you laughed at something this outdated and overused is pathetic
looks like we got a humor hipster here. hey guys, check out how sophisticated this guy is, he thinks anything old and mainstream can't be funny, isn't he a trendsetter? not only that he has to put down other people making harmless comments because they aren't as hip and cool as he is. what a real fine example of the human species.
@@foxboy64 i agree. You can tell by his very deep and philosophical profile picture.
@@honkhonk8009 The fact you needed to comment is even more pathetic
Wouldn’t it be crazy if we never spotted this before, and we were embarking on a voyage to a distant earth-like planet and just ran into somehow?
Space is so big that that'd be really hard. The width he describes (9cm) would be referring to its event horizon, so running into that in an orbit way past Neptune would be a hell of a lotto to lose.
Isn’t that the lore behind Nessus in Destiny 2?
@@The_SOB_II the gravity pull will be so much larger, so you could detect its nearby
Chateau Mama not really, Nessus was converted by vex and the team that went there crashed
@@UpheavaI The black hole would exert about the same gravity as Neptune
Next episode: *could my lamp be a tiny star?*
not SirBeasty I dunno can it sustain fusion?
Yes
Yes it is
*not yet peer reviewed
@not SirBeasty hahahahaha!
*Isn't it?*
those stars out there are large and FAR AWAY, this lamp here is small and VERY NEAR
ASASSN-19bt.
It's a 19-bit Assassin. 👍
Crazy but fun thought. In the coming years we’re going to learn so many “new” things about our universe that’s old news to...well the universe
Universe: You only just found out about that? Pathetic.
or maybe it's a worm hole. MURPHH!
*INTERSTELLAR THEME KICKS IN*
Or a nether portal even..
@@normalguy2824 Or an end portal
If it's stable enough. Yes.
Yeah a black hole right in my astronomical backyard is what I need to have when I wake up every night.
AgentC
Honestly it’s actually a good thing if it was a black hole
@Cullen Guimond Handsdown the best science experiment of the century if it exists
@Jonathan Stiles yes! Free electricity!
Don't worry, you're more likely to die from a stray bullet, a violent assault, car accident or even a tiny meteorite hitting your house before having any kind of interaction with this theoretical PBH.
Hope this helps you sleep better! xoxo
1:earth is going to be unlivable soon
2:unknown object enters our solar system
Me: *oh yeah , it’s all coming together*
くるくるJawbreakingcandy
MURPH!!!!!!!
"never gonna visit this thing" just watch me, you'll see, you'll all see.
You might. Just be sure to give us a full report when you get back.... IF you get back. :)
"Never gonna visit this thing "
Kinda disappointing
Get on inventing FTL, warp drives or whatever then.
Challenge accepted.
@@ryantwombly720 I look forward to hearing about your achievements.
I'm just relieved I don't have to remember how to pronounce the names of places I'm never going to visit. Goodbye Iraq!
Will we ever figure out nuclear fusion? Will we ever create a rocket engine that uses fusion for propulsion?
If the answer to those is yes, then we'll definitely visit this thing. The only reason Hank says we won't is because he's either unduly pessimistic about our technological progress, or has never given it a modicum of thought.
Proposal: We rename Primordial black holes to be Chihuahua's Head black holes
Teao Animar
And every time somone says this they have to do the same body reaction as this guy
Shouldn't that thing be irradiating Hawking radiation like crazy from such a small size?
that's exactly what I've been thinking
@Mazxj Stripes thanks
Hypothesis: a fancy term for a wild-ass guess!
Scientists: There might be a tiny black hole in our solar system instead of a ninth planet. No, our paper hasn’t been peer reviewed yet.
Everyone: *press X to doubt*
In all seriousness, there is a non-zero chance of this hypothesis being correct and I won’t deny that. Can’t wait until we figure out what’s really going on with those orbits :)
The only reason blackholes, dark matter and dark energy exist is because theoretical physicists needed extra energy to explain the movements of galaxies, they are constrained with gravity being the strongest force in the universe. On the other hand plasma cosmology already has explanations of observed phenomenon because they regard electricity as the strongest force, a force technically trillions of times stronger than gravity. The safire project has experimental evidence for the electric model of stars, theoretical physics using the standard model have no experimental evidence. when it comes to black holes they have basically divided a huge number by zero and are constantly dumbfounded by new observations already predicted by the electric model!
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Elwyn R yeah except the CMB is an observable thing, not explainable by plasma cosmology, which means the Big Bang must have happened, which means Einstein’s theory of general relativity is accurate, which means the conclusion of black holes must be, too. Same for dark matter. There are several explanations for dark energy but the term is a blanket term for all of them. We’ve seen and studied black holes. Therefore current plasma cosmology theories must be wrong.
@@adamcawa The theory/hypothesis of the big bang has been questioned by many astrophysicists. For example.
Halton Arp’s paper “Companion Galaxies on the Ends of Spiral Arms” was submitted to the prestigious Astrophysical Journal. The paper shows an active spiral galaxy NGC 7603 with its companion attached by a bridge of matter to a spiral arm. The redshift of the larger galaxy is 8,700 km/sec and the smaller, 17,000 km/sec. According to the redshift-distance equation, the companion galaxy should be a far-distant background object with no possible connection to NGC 7603. Since then, two small quasars with far more discordant redshifts have been found in the bridge. And in another celebrated instance, a supposedly distant quasar has been found in front of an opaque, much nearer galaxy.
So if Arp and others are right and the Big Bang is dead, the simplest answer as to what the Cosmic Microwave Background signifies is that it represents the natural microwave radiation from electric current filaments in interstellar plasma local to the Sun.
Radio astronomers have mapped the interstellar hydrogen filaments by using longer wavelength receivers. The dense thicket formed by those filaments produces a perfect fog of microwave radiation-as if we were located inside a microwave oven. Instead of the Cosmic Microwave Background, it is the Interstellar Microwave Background.
That makes sense of the fact that the CMB is too smooth to account for the lumpiness of galaxies and galactic clusters in the universe.
So, in reality, there is no temperature fluctuation from the earliest days of the universe. There is no CMB and there is no anti-gravity accelerating matter in the distant cosmos to almost the speed of light. Birkeland currents flowing through plasma in mega-parsec filaments ignite the stars and form spinning galactic pinwheels as far out as our instruments can see.
The widely lauded "photograph" of a black hole exactly resembles a plasmoid, something expected in an electric universe.
The Electric Universe theory does not rely on unseen and undetectable matter whose existence can only be inferred. It does not violate its own gravitational cosmology by inventing an anti-gravity force so that galactic acceleration can be explained. Instead, EU theory states that what we see in the universe is what we get. The electric currents flowing through ionized gas and dust provide the energy for the stars and present themselves in straightforward and understandable ways without resorting to arcane sophistry
Imagine if the 9th planet/blackhole at the edge of our solar system was a wormhole that leads to the capital of a galactic civilization. Left for us so we could join them when we and our technology has evolved enough to be seen as worthy.
I dont mean to be mean but that's pee pee poo poo.
Tom Dudley this kind of thinking is why religions exist.....
I hope and wish that this was true
Yes tom, imagine that! And imagine how disappointed they will be when...
...we never arrive, because let's be honest, our chances of getting through the next century are slim to none, if not the madness of our world leaders and the war they seem to want, if not for the relentless push for ever more resources, that we are destroying our own home, if not for the synthetic intelligence we are developing which could end us all too easily...
...something else will likely get us and it's a pretty good bet, itll be our fault.
It's fun to imagine things, yet some things are more believable than others.
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r/im14andthisisdeep
Three times the mass of the earth, but with an event horizon with size of a bowling ball.
it kind of blew my mind, I really cannot comprehend that.
I am wondering since a number of orbits are perturbed. Why can't a massive object come close enough to our solar system, but kept on sailing by, to actually have done this as well?
@@sgodsellify According to the simulations, going from ramdomly distributed orbits to the observed bias takes time, a single perturbation event (such as a massive object passing by) won't be enough.
@@sgodsellify it is dominated by the suns gravity, and far enough away that it does not disturb the orbits of the neptune and closer. If it was more massive, would wreck havoc.
4:29
The star is getting wrecked by a black hole...just tearing the stuffing out, wearing out the warranty, just going to town, riding it hard and putting it away wet
Halo of dark matter around a primordial black hole: two hypothetical things thrown together without a peer review!
Those things are already in the peer reviewed theoretical physics literature, both separately and together. The new contribution of this paper is just to suggest that such a thing could be planet 9.
@@ninjafruitchilled If primordial black holes exist, they are a primary candidate for being dark matter.
@@ninjafruitchilled I support investigating the idea. But both dark matter and primordial black holes are hypotheses. Doesn't matter how many peer review it passes. Its science when it's proven by observation. Now please don't say that "Dark matter" has been observed. We just observed some phenomenon and hypothesized that "There must be unseen matter . . .". Unless we confirm it with observation, its just a hypothesis.
@@longlostwraith5106 Indeed. And if so then we won't be able to detect this object in the way they suggested. But it could still be there.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 Theoretical physics is still science. Nothing wrong with it. Of course no-one can claim to know whether this or that theory is correct until we get good observational evidence for it.
Loving this content! And yeah, primordial black holes sound amazing. Can’t wait to hear more about this.
what's the hawking radiation for a black hole so tiny, will it not be gone by now after 13 billion years?
No. Hawking radiation is such a slow process that it should outlive the universe, still.
If I remember correctly it would still take trillions of years since it would be absorbing tiny bits of solar wind and interstellar crap faster than it would be shedding virtual particle pairs, i guess it’s always in the minimum of trillions since it would take that long for everything to be so spread out from each other that even little flecks of solar winds would be rare anywhere you were
Kidney Stone Thats only for large black holes, if I remember correctly small black holes less than the mass of jupiter or so have a runaway decay effect, releasing progressively more and more hawking radiation until it just essentially explodes
I may have some outdated information. I'll have to make some time to dig deeper. But, yeah, so far as I can recall, they imtake at a higher rate than the expell.
Rob Rod still trillions of years
The thumbnail saying ''black hole planet'' made me lose all of my brain cells.
if they are able to gain more evidence supporting the existence of this primordial black hole it could open new doors to time travel and research of singularity
I'm actually going to visit 2MASX J07001137-6602251 next week.
I hear there’s a planet that’s just like Turok over there
@@SobeCrunkMonster not surpriced if there is (or if we name one), lol.
@Denys Kornev Like, how?
Be sure to take some pictures. I hear the weather’s nice this time of year.
Are you sure you didn't book the trip to 2MASX J07001337-6602251 instead?
It's obviously the Mass Effect Relay
Maybe not yet but it sure will be when we get there.
No, it is Half-Life 3.
@@Theraot Tell that to Elon.
Haha :D I was just about to comment something about mass relays :D
@@hotmeal8531 😄
I asked my German friend if he knew which planet could be a black hole, he said "nein."
Heh
Doors over there. ---------->
Funny
It got a chuckle out of me 🙂
Hah
This gets more mysterious than before
If this hypothesis is indeed true, then we can finally confirm that the group of scientists known as "Soundgarden" have been right for years about a 'Black Hole Sun' lololol
What's that?
@@Brahmdagh
Music. Soundgarden sang Black Hole Sun.
aah, cool.
@@Brahmdagh It's a bit of sarcasm. Soundgarden were an American rock band that came out in the early 1990s. Their biggest hit was a song called Black Hole Sun.
0:48 in this case it's not so much called peer review as it's called peer chuckle. :p
Lucid Moses right now it has the same possibility of being true as Planet 9, only we actually have something to look for besides visible light making it infinitely more searchable. Plus the opportunity to study primordial black holes, including the pesky matter of whether they exist or not, is too great to pass up.
This sounds like the exact same nonsense they came out with when trying to explain why Pluto is so small, cause many were expecting it to be the size of Neptune.
If the observations dont fit your hypothesis then turn your hypothesis up to potato?
are you revering to the first thing or the second thing?
@@galenrichter41 The first thing, a black hole in our system to explain the models which predict planet IX.
Theres been papers which show whenever you consider the masses of all the small objects that alone can explain their orbits, as most modelers normal forget about small object masses, since their masses are so negligible.
Better then circular arguements religions provide
if it were that small, wouldn't the hawking radiation be noticed already?
PaJeezy i was thinking the same. Found a calculator online. 9 cm Hole would generate 9.69955E-20 watts. To radiate about 70W or a traditional lightbulb, it needs to be 0.004 nm in diameters or about 3 trillion ton. www.vttoth.com/CMS/physics-notes/311-hawking-radiation-calculator
@@reamie Another way to look at it is its theoretical temperature, and according to the formula in the Wikipedia article (and this is the sort of thing that I am confident W. is accurate about), it would only have a temperature of 1-4 milliKelvin, so not even as hot as the 3 Kelvin background from the Big Bang.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation#Emission_process
0:46 and hit pause
...
*breathes in
Is that you, VSauce Michael?
I propose it's all the dinosaurs blown out into space 65 million years ago that clumped together and now they're causing gravitational havoc in the kuiper belt.
If I write a paper on this maybe sci show space will do a video on it
“It’s not a tumor!”
In my eyes, indisposed
In disguises no one knows
Hides the face, lies the snake
The sun in my disgrace
my theory for planet 9 is that it is the core of the star that exploded and fed our solar system with the elements, would explain where all the heavy elements e.g gold etc came from
What should we name this galaxy ?
* Slams keyboard *
*2MASX J07001137-6602251*
Done 👍 .
😂
They should name the galaxy Max'snt as in max int (or stack overflow) because of the huge name
Well done👌
"In other black hole news... because it's that kinda week."
That line was great.
Could you imagine if this was actually the case??
I am not a math wizard, in fact I'm not even close, but I do like to think I understand singularities, at least a little. Gravity is our weakest force but exponential & has the longest reach. For a lump of mass to gravitationally collapse into a black hole/singularity, it has to Have enough mass for there to be enough gravity to do so, otherwise it would just evaporate, like the micro black holes created in the Large Hadron Collider. I do not believe in these "Small" black holes. They are just a quirk of math (when was the last time you saw a negative amount of anything, which is a math standard).
Very interesting, but I would have preferred a planet with possible alien criatures.
cretures*
creatures??
its critters.
Lol
How many nerds does it take to spell -Creature?
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I love how we can see into other galaxies, but we don't know if this is a real thing or not.
Imagine if every solar system had a black hole of some sort but were there to use as a way to travel the universe like worm holes
I lose my TV remote so often I tied a massive 12 ft rope to it, and my living room is pretty small.
Finding a black hole that size that far away... eh. just a little harder. IF YOU FIND IT TIE A ROPE TO IT!
"I don't know how to say that." -- Hank
Planet 9 blackhole sounds like one of those FTL Gate anchor from every scifi.
Imagine if the black hole is a portal to another star or planets beyond our solar system. That would be cool
I find this stuff fascinating and terrifying all in the same breath.
Imagine if that ripped apart star was home to an alien life. What a way to go out.
Oof. One could only hope that if intelligent life more advanced than we are now would have seen it coming and figured out a ticket out of there long before things got really dicey.
5:35 How quick was the temperature drop?
As fast as pouring tea in outdoor Canada.
4:38 it would be ironic for someone watching this a few thousand years in the future while traveling there
Wow something straight out of science fiction! Cool!
It sounds like a conclusion based upon social media consumption rather than science.
@4:35 bashful Hank has bashed my heart with sweetness
If you believe me,I’ll tell you something .I live on Mars,and the temperature there is lower than -20degrees.And the thing you say in the video are totally different than ours.A black hole isn’t called a black hole in Mars,instead it is called an ’Eateral space’.You got to trust me,we’re living on the same solar system ,but in different planets.If one day I could get a chance to go to earth,I would be thankful ❤
"Black hole......hardcore.....ripping apart..."
See folks this is what happens when you take things out of context.
I was looking for this comment🙌🏾
Tidal Disruption Event is one of the most badass things i have heard in a long time
That planet 9 black hole hypothesis violates Occam's razor.
Yeah ik... doesn't make it wrong through. But I doubt its right.
@@BeastinlosersHD It would great if it was right though
4:46 Wow moment!
I fixed that whatchmacallit: timetag
Pluto will always be my ninth planet.
Pluto Lives!
The dev put the Easter egg there so human could farm black hole energy more easily
Don’t forget to point out the obvious and let everyone here know why we haven’t spotted it to this point.
A near black hole would be great. We could do a lot of research and development around one, but traveling to a distant BH will be impossible for another thousand years. Let’s hope this idea turns out to be true.
On what time scale does a black hole rip apart a star? The NASA animation (ua-cam.com/video/WlUMZNImDWI/v-deo.html) made it seem like you could blink and miss it.
It really depends on the size of the black hole, the size of the star, anf the distance between the black hole and the star. Time wise I don't really know it could go from days to weeks, maybe faster or slower. It is hard to tell with the very little information given in this video about the event.
So said, just saw this video and missed out on getting an amazing pin
"Look, you're never going to visit this thing..."
challenge accepted ill visit it on my way to hell
“Since I guess that’s what going on this week” never have I related so much to one sentence
*reads title*
bruh moment
im starting to think dark matter and black holes may actually be one in the same. Its definitely a stretch, but it would make sense, as we know about dark matter because of its gravitational effects, black holes are also known for this. Another similarity being the near impossibleness of imaging a black hole by itself, due to it being literally absorbing all light. my hypothesis is that most of what we call dark matter may be numerous "primordial" black holes. Thoughts?
I wouldn't be upset if Soundgarden was accurate.
Lol
OUTSHINED by a BLACK HOLE SUN
while SEARCHING WITH MY GOOD EYE CLOSED
inside my RUSTY CAGE
in a JESUS CHRIST POSE
@@billdecat855 Nice🎶🎶🎶
Beautiful ❤️
"You're never gonna visit this thing"
*Me who plays Elite Dangerous*
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!
What if, hear me out, it's the cloaked research station of some intergalactic empire that is observing Earth?
**Naruto runs away**
The only thing that made black holes less scary was how far away from us they were.. but now that people suspect there's 1 nearby.. hmm ;p
/scared time again!
If it is there, which it likely isn't, is in orbit so its not just going to fall into the solar system.
Starfals Why be scared?
Hawking radiation would limit this things age to a couple of seconds. Are the rules different for primordial Black Holes?
Thats whats so special about it, it could prove Hawking wrong
Well, even according to Hawking, such a blackhole can live till ~ 2*10^50 seconds which is ~6*10^42 years…
According to the formula in the Wikipedia article (and this is the sort of thing that I am confident W. is accurate about), it would only have a temperature of 1-4 milliKelvin, so not even as hot as the 3 Kelvin background from the Big Bang. Black holes have to be *much* smaller for Hawking radiation to be significant.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation#Emission_process
Interesting. I was using this: www.vttoth.com/CMS/physics-notes/311-hawking-radiation-calculator
@@raskov75 1 earth-mass black hole: 5.67661E50 years
You used it wrong.
The second part of this video happened 375 milliong years ago, if we only detected it now, that star was long, LONG gone, still boggles my mind that some of the stars above us are essentially ghosts
A potential black hole within the very boundaries of our Solar System. This sounds reassuring.
3:13 "In other black hole news...because it's been that kind of week..." (and it wasn't even 2020, yet)
4:38 how do you know I’m never going to visit it?!?
Light can go around the earth 7 times in 1 second. The time it takes for light to reach our closest neighborhood star is over 4 years. This thing is over dozens of billions of years away. When the light we are seeing from it now originated, our sun didnt exist yet
Schlomo Von Goldberg solution: worm holes and time travel. I’m still hopeful
Honestly it's unfortunate that it's probably not true could you imagine how much we could learn from having one so close and not be an immediate danger?
imagine if exactly a year after the first image of a black hole we get a crystal clear picture of a black hole which may be in our solar system
Cringe Gaming 64 there’s no way we could see this primordial black hole, according to the video it’s 9 cm in length but has the mass of 15 earths, you’d never get close enough to see it before being ripped apart.
If you could get a background for it and some lighting maybe you could see it
Cringe Gaming 64 no, like I said, nothing could be close enough to see it without getting destroyed in an instant, and even if you could, you cannot “see” a black hole, as they don’t allow light to escape. Jupiter is close to being as massive as this black hole so we can use it to compare. Imagine the size of Jupiter, if you go to it’s surface you experience the normal gravity of a planet of that mass. Now turn it into a black hole and it will be around 9cm across like mentioned in the video, you are still standing at the original surface of Jupiter which means you are now about 6000km from the black hole but still experiencing 11 times earth gravity due to its mass, that alone is enough to crush you and you will be so far away from the tiny black hole that you will have no idea what’s happening, the tidal forces will only get stronger as you get closer.
@@Glitch315 can you tell that im joking with you?
@@CG64Mushro0m Whether you were or not, I'm just happy to share my knowledge. Have a nice day : )
Makes a lot of sense actually, we'll have to collect more data that suggests the existence of a primordial black hole though
If this really turns out to be a primordial black hole, that would be a huge boost for a future of our civilisation
I predicted a small black hole on Yahoo months before the science guys publicly proclaimed its possibility. I didn't know that primordial BHs existed, so I said it could be a stellar BH that existed much further away from us, but it makes sense to me when you have a gravity well that can't be found.
Wouldn't a black hole like that be long gone because of Hawking radiation?
I believe they vary in sizes, but think about this: He says if it is a old small black hole it got dragged in by our suns gravity possibly, we can see the gravitational anomalies this thing creates by looking at the kuiper belt objects and the far out dwarf planets. Maybe it's possible this thing isn't bleeding out is because it's still consuming quicker than hawking radiation can do it's thing. All just speculation though. Nobody even seems a little concerned of a black hole in our solar system.
It depends on the rotation of the black hole.
Short Answer: No. The lifetime for something like that is estimated at longer than the current age of the universe by quite a long way. Like, 1000x.
If I remember correctly it would still take trillions of years since it would be absorbing tiny bits of solar wind and interstellar crap faster than it would be shedding virtual particle pairs, i guess it’s always in the minimum of trillions since it would take that long for everything to be so spread out from each other that even little flecks of solar winds would be rare anywhere you were
No it wouldn't be gone but it would be super bright and it wouldn't pull things towards itself because after getting less massive than the sun it's Hawking radiation would cancel out the force of gravity.
Also making it impossible to "feed".
2:43 play this on a big screen it looks fire af.
it just impossible, because according to Einstein theory of relativity, the smallest black hole at least have 5 solar masses, imagine an object with mass 5 times of our Sun in the edge of our Solar System, it will tear apart every planet orbit and Earth will become a rogue planet without parent star.
No dude. Get ur science checked
That's comforting
Do not feature non peer reviewed physics papers. Ever. -.-'
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the peer-review process exist for a reason and it seems to me that nothing good has ever come of spreading news about papers that haven't been through the peer-review process yet
They may face peer review more quickly.
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♫ Black hole planet, won't you....can it? ♫
Nice ^^
Black hole sun
Won´t you come?
Wow! I hope it's there. Imagine the amont of energy we can harvest form that black hole.
"The paper hasn't gone through peer review yet"
Somehow I don't think it ever will. I expect science news, not quackery. Please use peer reviewed sources in future.
Its an interesting concept... i see nothing wrong stating out interesting stuffs happening in the research sector
Yeah, this show is as much about hypothetical 'what-ifs' as it is about any other science topic.
It’s in the title Sci-FiShow Space. 😁
If scientists/engineers dismissed anything that was outside of the conventional way of thinking as "quackery" the same way as you, we would never have had any advancements in technology or knowledge. Probably why youre the one watching videos rather than making discoveries.
@@REIDAE No, James is right. There's a wide gulf between "unconventional" and "quackery" and this hypothesis falls in the latter.
Astronomers are just as capable of "unconventional" thinking as the rest of us. Fortunately, they know when to keep the craziest ideas to themselves.
I like to think that primordial black holes drag worm tunnels behind them that connect to all the others around the universe by routes as short as they were at the start of the universe. That is to say, very short tunnels. I imagine that aliens herded that tunnel entrance here to get access to the earth when they first started gardening here a few billion years ago.
I remember back in the 80s and 90s hearing about a potential "Planet X". And then I heard that the idea of Planet X was largely debunked. And now that Pluto is no longer a planet, I've been hearing about Planet 9. Is Planet 9 just a renumbered Planet X, or is this something somehow significantly different?
If you're talking about Nibiru then it was a supposed 10th planet that would collide with Earth, but there is no evidence for something like that. The proposed Planet 9 would have an orbit far beyond Neptune which would be why we never managed to detect it. It was hypothesized because certain far away objects had orbits that were aligned with each other in a way that is improbable to have happened on its own, so some researchers hypothesized that there might be a planet that influences them gravitationally.
@@tomshraderd4915 Nope, not talking about Niburu. This was a proposed tenth planet beyond Pluto that was proposed to explain some discrepancies in Neptune's orbit. This was supposedly debunked when ...one of the Voyagers, I forget which... determined that Neptune was more massive than thought, which supposedly explained the discrepancies. But a lot of what I hear about the properties of Planet Nine sound an awful like the properties of Planet X.
I'm on a proper keyboard now, so I can type better (was on my phone for the last reply). What I remember from "Planet X" from back in the 80s was it was hypothesized to be an object several times more massive than the Earth (but less massive than the gas giants) significantly farther out of Pluto's orbit and, most memorably, on an angle that was 30-ish degrees off the ecliptic plane. But as I said, that was supposedly debunked when Voyager discovered Neptune was more massive than previously expected.
Except now we are looking for Planet Nine (or a black hole) that is... several times more massive than the Earth but less massive than the gas giants, on an orbit farther out than Pluto's, and possibly in an orbit that could be 30-ish degrees off the ecliptic plane.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding Planet Nine, or maybe I'm mis-remembering Planet X, but to me, they sound an awful lot alike. But there could be something fundamentally different about them that I'm not aware of.
@@JasonCorfman Planet X was hypothesized by Percival Lowell because he thought Uranus' orbital wobble couldn't be explained by Neptune alone because he didn't do his math right. Clyde Tombaugh claimed Pluto was Planet X, but other scientists cast increased doubt on this when Pluto kept turning out to be too small to affect another planet's orbit. When Voyager 2 came to Neptune, it remeasured its mass, and when the correct mass was plugged into Lowell's equation, the discrepancies in Uranus' orbit disappeared. Planet X does not exist.
That "Tenth Planet" was Eris before the dwarf planet classification was established.
Some researchers have proposed a Mars-sized object between Neptune and Planet Nine, but this is not well-supported.