@@pdworld3421 really? what's sad is people thinking we all have souls, and if we do have souls, then why think some people are going to lose it because some book says so. yeah, that's truly sad.
My wife's brother told me to bow my head at my own table, and when I refused he got up and did it for me. That was the shortest meal of his life. He is now an atheist.
Before I became an atheist I used to believe that I more I suffered on this world the more I would be rewarded in the afterlife.I guess I was a delusional christian.
If Yahweh and his alter ego, Yeshua, wanted us to be happy then we would be happy. Since Yahweh is all powerful and can do whatever he wishes, then our history of struggle and suffering is exactly what he wants for us. How sad for him.
I believed if I suffered much and I did grew up poor and public housing god would one day have mercy on me. He didn't. I watched sinners get rewarded time after time. Greedy selfish people who were Christians got ahead. God helps those who help themselves. Takers. I am an avowed unabashed atheist.
@Tom Paros I am not a muslim but I know for a fact that they believe the same as you did. They told me exactly the same thing about suffering on Earth and the huge reward awaiting in the afterlife. So it is not only common in christianity FYI.
Yes you were delusional, but eventually you finally woke & wised up to reality, and realized that all religious dogma & beliefs, are just ancient superstitious bullshit and wishful thinking. 🤬👎⛪🕌😈🛕🕍⛩🕋🛐☪️☦✝️☯️☸✡🕉🕎🔯
On special occasions we do pray. It goes like this: "Earth who brought us these (foods), sun who led it ripen, dear sun, dear earth may you always be remembered." It doesn't sound that well in English but in german it is very poetic, secular and you express you appreciation for the plants, animals and nature who are necessary to create theses goods.
Well I'm sure the plants, dirt and sun really appreciate your expressing of gratitude. Seriously, what is it with people talking to objects? I feel silly talking to my dog, and she's alive!
@Lord Megatron - This is the exact same thing that my parents do to me. My final time being asked to pray before a meal, I just silently got up from the table... walked out to my car and drove away. It FINALLY got my point across... ;-)
Maybe I can share something. You could turn to Mom and say something like this... thanks Mom, I am very grateful for you, for the work you put done in preparing this meal for us, and let’s think of ways we can share the things we have with others less fortunate than us throughout the world. There is a way one can “pray” secularly and create a simple state of shared humanity. That way you are not rejecting your mother’s wish directly.
We adopted a teenager who is sort of religious. Meaning he desperately wants the supernatural and a god to be real, but knows absolutely nothing about any organized religions and shows little interest in learning about it.. He also knew I was an atheist before he moved in with us. He used to make a big show about praying before his meals, particularly when I was around. (husband is still a Christian) His "prayers" would go on forever and I'm not entirely convinced he was actually praying as much as making sure I SAW that he was praying. He moved in just over a year ago and now I rarely see him pray over his meal. I don't care if he does it, but I also made it clear that we wouldn't be joining him and we are not waiting for him to finish to start eating. The more we ignored him when he was praying, the less inclined he seems to be to pray over his food. He still makes a show of it out in public, so it is clear to me that what matters isn't the prayer, but being SEEN praying. ugh
As we told our Christian family and friends, We are not missionary adopting. Same concept applies to atheism too. I have no desire to indoctrinate my son to any religion or non-belief. He'll have to figure that out for himself. Or as we tell him, "We aren't telling you what to think. We want to teach you HOW to think. "
He is learning. Give him more time. He is having to unlearn some pretty bad indoctrination. Just carry on being unimpressed but giving him the love and support he obviously needs.
Suffering, shame and martyrdom are the biggest reasons I was depressed as a Christian. Which prayers or med's never helped but meditation has helped me immensely with thoughts of shame or harming myself or others.
I was raised at a bible camp and I remember several times even in the children's programs when they would face us with the question, "would you reject god or die?" In one form or another. As CHILDREN we were expected and taught to give the answer, "I would rather die than reject my savior!" The same thing happened throughout my life both at camp and church. It's sick. I came from one of those families where sex was never talked about. I just finished that survey, I'm interested in seeing the study when it comes out! Group prayers make me cringe. I'm closeted so I stand there but I don't bow my head, close my eyes, and if I can help it at all I won't hold people's hands. I haven't been asked lately to pray, but I think I'd have to refuse.
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
I don't know a whole lot about Shintoism, but as a Chinese, I can say that in East Asian cultures we believe gods would never cause you unnecessary pain, only demons or evil spirits will hurt you for not satisfying their needs in exchange for their blessings, sometimes evil spirits would inhabit humans and make them do illogical things to hurt themselves. So to 14th century Japanese locals, the description of a powerful entity who will cast nonbelievers to burn for eternity in hell pretty much fits the description of an Asian demon. So the Japanese "torturing" the Christian priests were probably just trying to exorcise whatever demon they thought were possessing the poor white foreigners...
Well, given that the god of the Bible has over 2 million listed kills to his name, excluding the flood, and Satan only has a platry 10 as a result of a dare with God over whether or not he could sway Job's faith, I'd say calling God a demon is pretty accurate, even if heretical.
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
ME TOO!!! Laughing so hard!!! I know that sound!!! And the racing to get them to appropriate place! Or put a paper towel in front of them. I have also discovered cold cat puke on barefoot in the am as did not hear them during the night!!😹
Most likely, the cat was reacting emotionally to the change in routine and the puke button went into full swing... (The puking syndrome may be alleviated with a change in cat food product, along with a brushing regimen to get rid of loose fur, but I imagine you know that... o7) Oh- Don't forget the unique cadence at the end of the rhythmic retching when the stomach contents are ejected, ... sounding exactly like what it should sound like-- something gooey being squeezed out if a tube.
The Catholic church has a long twisted history of sadomasochistic cult behaviour. This story is an example of the false cult of personality that the Jesus character in the Bible instilled in most western cultures. At some point every good director makes a vanity project and the movie usually suffers for it.
I would love to see a film about Jesus that exposes the stupidity of his behavior that led to his arrest. The Abrahamic religious leaders would make sure it would never be released.
My mom never talked about sex except to tell us that it was filthy and sinful, even in marriage, and that people only did it because the devil was in them... Thank God I got over that. ;)
My grandmother was raised secular and had a fondness for subtle mockeries of religion (half of them I didn't understand until I was older) One of my favorites was whenever we had a big family dinner over a holiday she would wait til everyone was seated then enter the room, her hands together like she was in prayer, then through a sarcastic smirk mutter the word "grace". Take a seat, loudly proclaiming to all in attendence "now eat!"
Rotsuoy Yeah Ive heard there are some german videos on the internet where people get a sexual kick out of such things while wearing high heels and leather !!!!!
What the Japanese officials did was pretty horrible, but you can't really say they didn't give them an easy way out, technically the bible's against false idols, your supposed to worship God himself not a piece of wood or ceramic. So it wouldn't even be a real sin to step on the plate anyway.
12:08 - "Pinky Toe on the Plate". That's going to be the name of my new heavy metal band. 7:21 - That would also be a good name for a TV show: "Touched by an Angel's Pinky Toe".
. . Next time they want to "Guilt" you ask to lead the prayer . . . . . . . OH DARK LORD . . . Please forgive these bewildered and arrogant children for they know not what they do . . . Punish, with all your fury, The evil profiteers who have brainwashed them into doing their bidding . . . Shemhamforash ! Hail Satan ! This works really well with the front door people . . . . . . . .
Only the Christian version of Yahweh does that. Hell as a place of fire and brimstone is a Christian invention. Jewish Yahweh simply chops foreskins off and encourages people to eat Kosher. LOL.
@@jamesheartney9546 - especially when its the same god that had originally created it to start off with. But then this is also the same god that allows painful deaths, disease, famine, slavery, genocide etc - so say no more. lol
Actually here in Germany we have a secular version of a "prayer". "Piep piep piep, guten Apetit, jeder esse was er kann, nur nicht seinen Nebenmann und wir nehmen's ganz genau, auch nicht seine Nebenfrau". (loosly translated it means: enjoy your meal, eat what you can, just not your neighbor" I saw people holding hands while saying this on a documentery
I was married 5 or 6 years ago now, my wife (now ex) wasn't religious but would have labeled herself as "spiritual" Her parents however are incredibly religious and she never wanted to rock the boat when it came to them. As a courtesy to her I usually just swallowed my protests and followed along. Right before we were married (the day before maybe?) We were having supper with them and one of their family friends joined us. Afterward this family friend asked to pray for us, and my father in law encouraged it. It was mostly the same platitudes but at one point he said something like "and thank you lord for putting these two people together, a man and a woman, and not two men. " He went on to talk about how God "hates the gays" I was mortified, and so was my ex, but we were outnumbered and neither of us wanted to confront this stranger in the house her parents rented. I regret holding my tongue. What a terrible hateful man.
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
Regarding the praying over food at someone else home where they are Christians. I'm the same as you. Yes, they have the right to say thanks to God in their home and in mine (privately), but you don't get people to join in who don't want to. I'd say, that's like you coming to my house and me insisting everyone to hold hands and thank the Goddess, or the green man. They DEFINITELY wouldn't want to do that, haha, so why should I thank God.
I know I'm three years late to the conversation, but I have thoughts on the movie Silence. I saw the movie back when it debuted in 2016, and while I was watching it, I reacted similarly to Seth and wasn't sure what to make of it. As the days went on, I couldn't get the movie out of my head, and the more thought about, the more I realized how great the movie truly was, even if it may not have been exactly what Scorsese was going for. Yes, as non-believers, it's easy for us to trample upon an effigy if doing so is enough to make the torture and murder of innocent people stop because it's a completely empty gesture that doesn't come at any real cost, and it stands to reason that theists might reach a similar conclusion since they could argue that their god would understand that this renunciation isn't sincere and done as an act of loving compassion, but their refusal to do so (as well as their god's inaction to do anything) highlights how venomous faith is. Hence the title of film. It cuts both ways because to theists, the quiet moments are typically when they feel closest to their god, but that same silence exists whenever they cry out to God for help. I think Father Ferreira's (Neeson) line to Rodrigues (Garfield) sums it up pretty aptly. He says, "I pray too, Rodrigues. It doesn't help. Go on, pray. But pray with your eyes open." To me, he's ostensibly saying that even if God is real, he's not going to save you or any of the people you're trying to help, so if you really care about the suffering of these people, stop fixating on whether or not God approves and deal with reality on its terms. Honestly, I could say a lot more about this movie and why I think it's actually quite good, but I think I've made my point.
With regards to Group prayers, on my travels I stopped at Palmerston atoll, an island of the Cook Islands. It was incidently my sixty-fifth birthday and the people there throw a party for me. Over a hundred of them showed up and they were wonderful people. When it came to the feast, they wanted me to say a prayer. I asked them: "Why? Don't you trust your cooks?" I had to explain why I didn't wanted to participate in their prayer and they respected it.
Seth, I have been in that position before, u was even put on the spot and asked to bless the food, the person knew i was not religious. I just thanked the chicken for given up it's life so i could eat it. John
Seth you could freak them out by doing a Satanist prayer at meal time "Let us stand now, unbowed and unfettered by arcane doctrines born of fearful minds in darkened times. Let us embrace the Luciferian impulse to eat of the Tree of Knowledge and dissipate our blissful and comforting delusions of old." lol
Seth, if it were my home and my sibling came in with her christian or muslim or jewish or anything else fiance, who decided to have a ritualistic prayer, which necessarily included atheist me, I would immediately stand up and voice my objection to both the fact that I do not allow such prayer and especially when led by a male under my roof. So my aversion to this whole thing is two-fold: It smacks of servitude and sexism.
Ty for this Seth! Even tho Ive been out for about 5 yrs, I still feel the effects of a lifetime of guilt and shame. Your show makea a differwnce in my life♡ much love!
if a group prayer were to start in my house I would most likely just be stunned with disbelief at the very notion. (it should be noted that I and most if not all my relatives are not believers of any kind)
We had one out of our clowder that puked often than the others. After some internetting, we switched to an affordable grain free food & elevated their bowls. They were getting older & needed a little help in the grooming department, so we got new brushes & incorporated weekly “maintenance” into our lives. The vomiting stopped. Like, halted. Amazing. Also, unexpectedly, the littler box scooping became easier as their waste is smaller & less stinky. We use less litter as well. We no longer keep strategic piles of newspaper around the house we used to slide under her when the horkimg started. I felt guilty for not doing this sooner. Life is so much better for all of us now. I hope our experience helps you all!
Same thing happened when I had Thanksgiving at my Dads house. He totally put me on the spot to say grace. I said, "you do realize the house heathen is saying grace?". He said "yep". I said "I'd take one for the team." Then I proceeded to thank the cook and my beloved flying spaghetti monster... he never asked me to say grace again. I said "what? That's who I worship (wink wink)". He didn't get the worship part being a joke and I didn't get why he put me on the spot knowing my convictions. I love the man dearly, but damn dude.
Did the same once. We used to throw the ritual to the host or hostess, and since I was hosting Thanksgiving for the family one year, the blessing was thrown to me. I took the opportunity to express to my family how much I loved them, how thankful I was to have them all together for this custom, how grateful I was for the incredible culinary talent in our family that always made every family meal a feast, that there was no blessing on heaven or earth better than a family that loves, honors, and enjoys each other. Amen - let's eat!
My sister-in-law is one of those evangelical-home-schooling-Christian-parenting-book-writing people (seriously, she has written a number of books about parenting from a Christian perspective). She told me after a family gathering how much she appreciates me taking part in the family ritual of the pre-meal magic spell - sorry - blessing although she knows I don't actually pray. She has an aunt who, it seems, is also an atheist, but is an ass about it. She will leave the room in a huff whenever the blessing is said and only come back when it is all done. I simply stand there holding my wife's or nephew's or niece's hand while they bow their heads and do their incantation. Doesn't hurt me a bit. Now in MY house - after I have completed the meal prep and everything is ready - I grab a plate and announce "dig in". If someone wants to do the ritual, go for it, but Imma gonna be over here putting grilled chicken and collard greens on my plate!
To be nonchalant about praying is to succumb to a religious belief that is antithetic to logic or reason and forces one to adhere to a dogma that is stupid. Do not let religion dictate your life or have some religious nutcase decide what is good for you.
It sounds like a great move to mix with some of the action clips of Taken, and Taken 2. Thanks for the heads up. Now I know what to buy for my nut job family.
Mr. Andrews.. always enjoy your talks. Funny and witty and always educational. in regards to your relatives who want to pray in your house.. if they expect you to respect their beliefs, then its only appropriate that they respect yours. it's not like you're being intentionally rude to them.
Having seen Martin Scorsese's film "Silence", I completely concur with all of Seth's criticisms concerning how the main characters display a level of irrationality and sheepishness that would elicit the scorn of any thoughtful person. However, I do like the film in that it does illustrate the day to day hypocrisy of your average "Bible believing Christian". I would ask Christians that if the voluntary submission to persecution, torture, and suffering, as graphically displayed in the movie "Silence", has an ample scriptural mandate, as Seth demonstrated (11:25 - 12:10), then why do MOST of them resist subjecting themselves to this sort of treatment to spread the Gospels? Why don't these wonderful Christians, who luxuriate in their wonderful middle class homes, leave the comfort and safety of those surroundings, to go and preach the Gospel in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, and put their life and limb on the line? Mmm...they have no problem citing chapter and verse when they want to decry homosexuality, premarital sex, or abortion, but then the very central command which Jesus implores of his followers the most - to go spread his message, regardless of the danger - goes unheeded. The UNWILLINGNESS of MOST Christians to endure such precarious circumstances for their faith demonstrates that MOST of them do not really believe what they claim. Their refusal to follow such painful and life threatening edicts in their Bible is proof positive that they subscribe to Christianity for other reasons outside of a genuine conviction in what they profess. I find that pointing out such inconsistencies silences these Bible thumpers more than any deep philosophical argument about the particulars of their faith.
Good point. If you could use a few more arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
To go out of your way to actively seek out torture and death, to pretty much insist on it, doesn’t express any kind of religiosity, rather masochism and suicidal tendencies
Hey, Seth, I had a chronic puker too (hair balls). I found it easier to take a puke-acceptable surface to the cat, rather than carrying the cat to a puke-acceptable surface. Laminated placemats are a great resource for this.
Story of Park Ranger doing a demonstration about bears in the park. 'You should buy little bells to tie on your shoes so you do not surprise the bears. And be sure you have bear pepper spray which you can buy in the tourist shop. And be sure to keep an eye out for bear scat (poop). There is a big difference between a brown bear and a grizzly. You can tell by looking at the scat." "How do you know the difference?" asked one of the tourists. "Well, brown bear scat is full of bones from mice and squirrels and lots of berry seeds and smells like forest greenery." he answered. "Grizzly bear scat is full of little bells and smells like bear pepper spray!!"
Im reading “sex and god” by dr ray right now and have really enjoyed it!!! It makes me so angry what we teach our little girls! It took me awhile to get past some of it too! But i am happily free from all that dogma now! (;
Personally, I don't mind being included in prayer. I will happily join people to mass and join them when they pray over their meal. I know it means something to them even if it means nothing to me, and I am glad to share that moment with them. Now, if they asked me to pray knowing I don't believe, or force me to do something that I don't want to, that's where I'd draw the line.
Hey Sedth; you missed one,in The UK,a brothel is called a " knocking Shop " I cracked up when my British born neighbor told me that one !😉😂 PS love your videos,from a fellow free thinking woman😈!
In my house we praise the cook if it is a dinner, otherwise we just wish each other a “bon appetite” and we dig in. In the case somebody decide to do a table blessing, up to him, I am eating already. If I am outside as a guest and somebody decides to “take” my hand to have me participating in his religious rituals, I don’t know. Probably I will leave that person hanging. In the case he will not start without me taking his hand, I will have to excuse myself to go to toilet or otherwise ignore the unwanted “petition” and just start eating or start serving. It may look rude to some people, but it is not less rude to force somebody to participate in religious rituals one doesn’t want to be part of.
It's distressing that your cat throws up all the time, you should have him looked at at the vet. I have a cat with IBS & she has had to be on several different foods that are corn & gluten free, and I've put her food dish up on a 6" pedestal of sorts, that actually helped a LOT. PLEASE TRY THESE TIPS OR ASK YOUR VET ABOUT THE FREQUENT VOMITTING! Cats deserve the same treatment as dogs for health problems! 😿😿😿
@@MonadRimsire He did say that the cat regularly throws up at 2 am. And ain't such thing as spite barfing. The cat might throw up because he's anxious because a major change (moving house, or you left for vacation, or a baby was born) but that isn't spite.
Poor kitty! I hope there is a solution to that problem.I adore cats and have many of them so i know how it feels when they are not doing well. By the way as a joke there should be a t shirt that says atheist cat person does not want yoire dogma.best of health to the furball.
As a child I fantasized about martyrdom - would I be strong enough to die for my faith? All of a sudden it strikes me: I would die for real for someone who part-time died to save me? Oh, dear! #RaisedBaptist
Seth, I've only tuned in to your program a few times, so I don't know. I hope you have more stuff like this out there. Every story you told was hilarious; your delivery rivals the most accomplished of stand-up comics. I also am the proud owner of a feline puker. Sonny goes out of his way to avoid any non-carpeted surface. He will retch on the run if you try to interfere. Point is, I've had quite a few cats, including one who used to puke in my husband's shoes. But before we got this long-haired, orange and white nightmare, I had never actually seen a hairball. It was not what I expected. The hairball is a turd-like organ of sorts. I didn't know what the hell it was, so I somehow got the nerve to dissect one. What I found inside was something NO ONE should see -- a tightly packed mass that looked like the contents of a bathtub drain clogged with a quarter century's accumulation of hair, comingled with some unidentifiable, grotesque detritus. I love Sonny, and he at least pretends to love me, but sometimes I just want to see his head on a spike.
Damn right, I'd plant my foot on this plate. Later on I might repent etc. but in private without witnesses - because God knows. Thank goodness, I am NOT religious. But those films are made so religious viewers can squirm with delight "OH we're so repressed" It is SICKENING. But the more pain and blood and agony - the more they love it. Yes, it is a cat thing. No bears, please.
I thought if I were ever asked to give a prayer, that I would say a few lines from Swninburne's Garden of Proserpine: "From too much love of living,/From hope and fear set free,/ We thank with brief thanksgiving/Whatever gods may be/That no life lives for ever;/That dead men rise up never;/That even the weariest river/Winds somewhere safe to sea." Of course "whatever gods may be" doesn't imply that there are any.
Talking about your pets has me literally LOLing. Note: Generic cat food brands are what usually cause cat vomiting (at least with my experience having three cats in my life). the ingredients are horrid. I buy a more premium brand online. and brush regularly. No vomit.
Purina makes a product that was pretty good for most of the lives of my cats, as they started getting older we eventually had to switch to something that they could digest better.
I was so hoping for a twist to the prayer story, such that after joining hands your now host would say: seth was so gracious to allow us prayer at his house, we shall return the same honor by saying toight: dig in!" Prayer over....that would have been cool, but unfortunately, not to be expected. How folks who declair a religious belief think that autommatically get magically embued with morality is beyond rational understanding.
Thank you! I thought that movie was HORRIBLE and had the exact same thoughts while watching this: why are they CELEBRATING this madness?? Love this channel, so funny and wise.
I wasn't brought up religious. I don't care if people pray, it doesn't trigger any memories for me or make me uncomfortable unless the words of the prayer are icky. When my kids were young we sometimes joined hands silently before a meal but it was to acknowledge that we were feeling communal. This made it more comfortable for everyone when god-believers visited - we could join hands and if they were going to pray during the silence, fine by us. I think that, as the general population becomes more secular, issues like this will seem less fraught.
Reminds me of scene from James Clavell's Shogun, where Dr. Kildare explains to the Shogan that the Pope has divided the world between Spain an Portugal! The Shogan is incredulous!
I will not argue with making this one of the top ten films. It is like my favorite Christmas carol and one of my favorites songs period - "Oh Holy Night". As art, it extremely well conveys the emotion of the believer in a very beautiful composition. It is great art, no matter that the basic premise is crap. I have not seen this movie, but if I had, I would probably have been moved by the sacrifice of the characters, no matter how misguided. Just as I watched Clint Eastwood's movies about Iwo Jima. The Japanese were bat shit crazy, but one has to admire, on some level, their sacrifice. There are many movies picturing Wermacht soldiers in WW II in a good light, and many are highly acclaimed. Are they crap too? Simply because we reject the reason for which a person would give their all, does not mean that a movie about their noble sacrifice is bad.
It's amazing, frankly, that their God hasn't thought of this. He's all powerful and all knowing but he hasn't figured out that dead people can't worship him? The not-so-bright all-knowing god...
My daughter (7) takes piano lessons from a very nice lady; she's christian. She has a plaque on her wall in her home (where she gives her lessons) with that ole "Jesus loves me, this I know". Plenty of other symbols abound in the house. Fine. Your house. Fine. But, she arranges recitals periodically...her and her husband (he's actually quite strange) are a musical team. This recital which took place at our city's public library featured a fucking full on, straight up Jesus prayer lead by her husband. Everyone in the audience was asked to bow their heads...all the rest. I was beside myself. But, my wife, who is uncomfortable when I have a reasonable reaction to being forced into religious observance against my will at a recital where my 7 year old is performing, wanted to pick a fight with me...just because she could feel the heat coming off of me over this. My wife is not religious, and she entertains my love for my atheist speakers, but she doesn't want to be any part of the "resistance" at all. Anyone else go through this kind of thing on a regular basis?
Even as an atheist, I love this movie. I saw it in the theatre while I was towards the end of my deconversion but still in the phase that I was trying to hold on. I think you missed the end of the movie and the whole point. The voice of god comes to him and tells him to step on him for he came into the world to bear our suffering. The point of the movie was when is it morally wrong to hold onto your faith if it is hurting others. And the silence represents the silence of god through our hard times. Ironically, this movie both showed a side of god I had never considered (a self sacrificial and genuinely loving side who puts the needs of his children over his own). However, the movie could also be considered heretical as a Christian because the Bible clearly teaches you have no ability to deny Jesus for any reason. So that version of god doesn’t exist in a biblical sense (or a real one). It’s still a powerful movie and I think it takes hard and critical look at religion and try’s to find something deeper through all the dogma. I also think that this movie followed the wolf of Wall Street is just amazing
The movie shows how dangerous Catholicism is. On one hand you have the fanatics that murder in name of faith, while on the other, the simple who prefer to become martyrs.
Did the survey. I don't consider kissing on the face sexual, so my answers were slightly skewed. Also, that's what the laundry mat is for. Get your jacket cleaned while you screw some doll, then they take the doll next door to clean them.
Religious people are rude very often, they will force you to "pray along" if they have a chance. I'm an agnostic, I consider myself a kinda believer, and I find it offensive when someone tries to force me into their particular ritual, ugh! As for the most important: you might wanna brush your cat to prevent him throwing up. My Mom and I, we have 6 cats, the loveliest creatures in the world, half-feral. They hardly ever get sick, I brush them daily =) Cheers to your kitty!
I'm super late with this. 😂 My grandfather is super religious and no one from my family dares to disagree with him. (Some from my immediate family is religious too but mostly respectful.) It's horrendous to witness him disrespect everyone by forcing them to pray in weddings and everywhere. Luckily they will never visit my home due the distance. I would not tolerate it in my home and fight my skin off. 😂😂
@21:16 There has actually been a movie made on that exact topic, Seth. Check out 'Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence", it's pretty good if you can digest the heavy and pervasive philosophy references.
I love the Ghost in the Shell universe. I'm a fan of pretty much anything Masamune Shirow puts out. Shame though that he went into making porn (not that I have anything wrong with it). The artwork is exquisite, but I kinda really wanted him to finish Appleseed. :(
The bit about the bear reminded me of a bow-hunter colleague who said that at the range of his bow, he'd have time for two and a half shots at a grizzly bear, so he wasn't going to try it.
To hell with thanking some made- up deity for the food. How about thanking the poor animal who, unwillingly, gave his or her flesh or bodily secretions. Hardly any one ever considers that.
How anatomical. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs. neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
the sequel to "west world" should be "Doll World" where as the paying visitor buys his ticket to West World and mistakenly walks into the wrong "ride". "I'm gonna ride the filly till I tame her". giddy up!
Re: cats puking: Most of our cats over the years have been prone to puking to various extents. Casey, a beautiful Siamese, began heaving over a couple of days, bringing nothing up and not eating. A trip to the vet, and surgery revealed that he had eaten a piece of roast beef string out of the garbage. After the surgery it seemed his stomach was smaller yet he continued to gobble down his chow at the same pace as before, with the result that the puking increased to near daily. I would hear the heaving noise and quickly yell and move towards him to at least make sure he wasn't hitting carpet or furniture. I'll never forget the time that started happening and he immediately began to run away from me, but also continued to puke while. he. was. on. the. run! Puke spread out over 5 feet of floor. yecch.
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" ... the plate is an abomination and SHOULD be desecrated with a foot mashing ... unbelievable that seasoned priests wouldn't know this
Your family pray over their food and expect you to join in? Pah! You think you've got problems! After my daughter was born, a friend of the family took her in her arms and arranged MY family into a group with me shoved to the back while she prayed over my baby on a public ferry! She meant well, I don't want to start a fight with a good woman who wishes my family well, but that was a serious overreach!
Very interesting collection of reflections and analyses. Now, as a woman I want to know why brothels are ALWAYS only for men. When anyone talks about sex services, brothels, prostitutes, "dolls," etc, they are always talking about sexual services for men. I want to see prostitution legalized, but I would also really appreciate it if sexual services for women were acknowledged as JUST AS IMPORTANT. "Well, a woman can get sex whenever she wants it, because men are willing to screw anything." No. Not true, and a pretty disgusting suggestion - but I hear it and see it all the time. We all need and want sexual intimacy, without judgement, without obligation, without having to play games or fend off unhealthy possessiveness.
Wait the Brothel thing was real? I thought that was just a rumor/lie created by People like Ken Ham... Wow I was laughing the whole time Seth talked about it. Made my Morning. Also Bong Bat- Seth Andrews 2018.. XD Someone got their ass kicked with a Bong, wtf! " I think I'm more afraid of this stuff than the Conscious Sex Dolls.. " - Seth Andrews 2018. Seth you are just a Gold Mine for quotes. You made my morning/Afternoon.
"Dear God,
We paid for this food with our own money, so thanks for nothing."
(Bart Simpson)
Amen
So sad
@@pdworld3421 what's so sad?
@@cliftongaither6642 So sad that so many misunderstand suffering. And that anyone would endorse giving up your soul to prevent it.
@@pdworld3421 really? what's sad is people thinking we all have souls, and if we do have souls, then why think some people are going to lose it because some book says so. yeah, that's truly sad.
My wife's brother told me to bow my head at my own table, and when I refused he got up and did it for me. That was the shortest meal of his life. He is now an atheist.
Greg Wright 😮
This is what steak knives are for.
Good grief!
So, we're supposed to believe you went all Chuck Norris on him and beat the Christianity out of him ?
I don't get your point.
Before I became an atheist I used to believe that I more I suffered on this world the more I would be rewarded in the afterlife.I guess I was a delusional christian.
If Yahweh and his alter ego, Yeshua, wanted us to be happy
then we would be happy.
Since Yahweh is all powerful and can do whatever he wishes,
then our history of struggle and suffering is exactly what he wants for us.
How sad for him.
I believed if I suffered much and I did grew up poor and public housing god would one day have mercy on me. He didn't. I watched sinners get rewarded time after time. Greedy selfish people who were Christians got ahead. God helps those who help themselves. Takers. I am an avowed unabashed atheist.
@Tom Paros I am not a muslim but I know for a fact that they believe the same as you did. They told me exactly the same thing about suffering on Earth and the huge reward awaiting in the afterlife. So it is not only common in christianity FYI.
Yeah makes for a fucked up life
Yes you were delusional, but eventually you finally woke & wised up to reality, and realized that all religious dogma & beliefs, are just ancient superstitious bullshit and wishful thinking. 🤬👎⛪🕌😈🛕🕍⛩🕋🛐☪️☦✝️☯️☸✡🕉🕎🔯
On special occasions we do pray. It goes like this:
"Earth who brought us these (foods), sun who led it ripen, dear sun, dear earth may you always be remembered."
It doesn't sound that well in English but in german it is very poetic, secular and you express you appreciation for the plants, animals and nature who are necessary to create theses goods.
that's lovely!
Bitte schreib' den gleichen Text in original German!! Danke.
DANKE!!!
That’s who we should be thanking! The Earth and Sun actually have a REAL part in the food we eat! The sky daddy can’t say the same...
@@marie-rosedaly4234 Erde die uns dies gebracht, Sonne die es reif gemacht, liebe Sonne, liebe Erde, euer nie vergessen werde. Guten Appetit
Well I'm sure the plants, dirt and sun really appreciate your expressing of gratitude.
Seriously, what is it with people talking to objects? I feel silly talking to my dog, and she's alive!
My mother actually asked me to lead the family prayer on thanksgiving knowing I don’t believe and looked shocked when I refused
Rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub. Yay God!
I like Bart Simpson's prayer: "Dear god, we paid for this food ourselves, so...thanks for nothing...amen'
@Lord Megatron - This is the exact same thing that my parents do to me. My final time being asked to pray before a meal, I just silently got up from the table... walked out to my car and drove away. It FINALLY got my point across... ;-)
Maybe I can share something. You could turn to Mom and say something like this... thanks Mom, I am very grateful for you, for the work you put done in preparing this meal for us, and let’s think of ways we can share the things we have with others less fortunate than us throughout the world.
There is a way one can “pray” secularly and create a simple state of shared humanity. That way you are not rejecting your mother’s wish directly.
"Through the lips and over the gums, look out stomach, here it comes!"
We adopted a teenager who is sort of religious. Meaning he desperately wants the supernatural and a god to be real, but knows absolutely nothing about any organized religions and shows little interest in learning about it.. He also knew I was an atheist before he moved in with us. He used to make a big show about praying before his meals, particularly when I was around. (husband is still a Christian) His "prayers" would go on forever and I'm not entirely convinced he was actually praying as much as making sure I SAW that he was praying. He moved in just over a year ago and now I rarely see him pray over his meal. I don't care if he does it, but I also made it clear that we wouldn't be joining him and we are not waiting for him to finish to start eating. The more we ignored him when he was praying, the less inclined he seems to be to pray over his food. He still makes a show of it out in public, so it is clear to me that what matters isn't the prayer, but being SEEN praying. ugh
No, John Wright, that is indoctrination. Let the kids find out for themselves, let them discover the facts and form their own opinion.
Lol but God forsakened him!
As we told our Christian family and friends, We are not missionary adopting. Same concept applies to atheism too. I have no desire to indoctrinate my son to any religion or non-belief. He'll have to figure that out for himself. Or as we tell him, "We aren't telling you what to think. We want to teach you HOW to think. "
If he's praying, then watch Seth Andrews or any atheist videos in YT on your TV, computers, phones while he's around.
He is learning. Give him more time. He is having to unlearn some pretty bad indoctrination. Just carry on being unimpressed but giving him the love and support he obviously needs.
I could literally listen to Seth's voice all day.
I have spent most of a day doing so.
Yea, and Seth really nailed it on those sound effects! 🐈🐈🐈🤣🤣
Suffering, shame and martyrdom are the biggest reasons I was depressed as a Christian. Which prayers or med's never helped but meditation has helped me immensely with thoughts of shame or harming myself or others.
Me too
I was raised at a bible camp and I remember several times even in the children's programs when they would face us with the question, "would you reject god or die?" In one form or another. As CHILDREN we were expected and taught to give the answer, "I would rather die than reject my savior!" The same thing happened throughout my life both at camp and church.
It's sick.
I came from one of those families where sex was never talked about. I just finished that survey, I'm interested in seeing the study when it comes out!
Group prayers make me cringe. I'm closeted so I stand there but I don't bow my head, close my eyes, and if I can help it at all I won't hold people's hands. I haven't been asked lately to pray, but I think I'd have to refuse.
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
I don't know a whole lot about Shintoism, but as a Chinese, I can say that in East Asian cultures we believe gods would never cause you unnecessary pain, only demons or evil spirits will hurt you for not satisfying their needs in exchange for their blessings, sometimes evil spirits would inhabit humans and make them do illogical things to hurt themselves.
So to 14th century Japanese locals, the description of a powerful entity who will cast nonbelievers to burn for eternity in hell pretty much fits the description of an Asian demon. So the Japanese "torturing" the Christian priests were probably just trying to exorcise whatever demon they thought were possessing the poor white foreigners...
Well, given that the god of the Bible has over 2 million listed kills to his name, excluding the flood, and Satan only has a platry 10 as a result of a dare with God over whether or not he could sway Job's faith, I'd say calling God a demon is pretty accurate, even if heretical.
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
I believe the gnostics called the Christian god the "Demiurge" and said it was a false god or demon.
That entire film is basically Scorsese coming to terms with his Catholic guilt
Ok Seth, your impression of the cat horking had me nearly pissing myself laughing!
So accurate, LMFAO
ME TOO!!! Laughing so hard!!! I know that sound!!! And the racing to get them to appropriate place! Or put a paper towel in front of them. I have also discovered cold cat puke on barefoot in the am as did not hear them during the night!!😹
I know! Too friggin' funny!
Most likely, the cat was reacting emotionally to the change in routine and the puke button went into full swing... (The puking syndrome may be alleviated with a change in cat food product, along with a brushing regimen to get rid of loose fur, but I imagine you know that... o7) Oh- Don't forget the unique cadence at the end of the rhythmic retching when the stomach contents are ejected, ... sounding exactly like what it should sound like-- something gooey being squeezed out if a tube.
The Catholic church has a long twisted history of sadomasochistic cult behaviour. This story is an example of the false cult of personality that the Jesus character in the Bible instilled in most western cultures.
At some point every good director makes a vanity project and the movie usually suffers for it.
That's why I've never attended the Catholic Church.
? WOW
The Catholic church needs to learn about "safe, sane and consensual".
I would love to see a film about Jesus that exposes the stupidity of his behavior that led to his arrest.
The Abrahamic religious leaders would make sure it would never be released.
Thou shalt not stomp on the graven image.
My mom never talked about sex except to tell us that it was filthy and sinful, even in marriage, and that people only did it because the devil was in them...
Thank God I got over that. ;)
So many layers of innuendos there.
awww - how sweet of her to let you know that you are the product of sin, filth, and demonic possession.
;)
@@edselby I'm fairly certain that that's exactly what she thinks I am. Lol I'm everything she hoped I wouldn't be, really. Lol
@John Fashanu She's a fundamental Baptist, so that's part of it. The rest comes from her fairly screwed up parents.
There you have it folks, the devil created all life on earth, god had nothing to do with it.
Cracked me up Seth’s reaction to sanitised dolls. Lol 😂
My grandmother was raised secular and had a fondness for subtle mockeries of religion (half of them I didn't understand until I was older) One of my favorites was whenever we had a big family dinner over a holiday she would wait til everyone was seated then enter the room, her hands together like she was in prayer, then through a sarcastic smirk mutter the word "grace". Take a seat, loudly proclaiming to all in attendence "now eat!"
Grace? She passed away 30 years ago. LOL.
Mine said “good food, good meat, good god let’s eat!”
Father, Son, Holy Ghost
Who eats the fastest, gets the most.
@@Bryan198026The BLES-SING!
"Mash your foot on mah face." Well, I mean, some people are into that. :P
LMAO
Rotsuoy 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
Rotsuoy
Yeah Ive heard there are some german videos on the internet where people get a sexual kick out of such things while wearing high heels and leather !!!!!
What the Japanese officials did was pretty horrible, but you can't really say they didn't give them an easy way out, technically the bible's against false idols, your supposed to worship God himself not a piece of wood or ceramic. So it wouldn't even be a real sin to step on the plate anyway.
@@WildPhotoShooter Only the Germans would start that. (I'm part German so I find it pretty funny)
I'm going thank the farmers for my food next time someone asks for a prayer leader.
12:08 - "Pinky Toe on the Plate". That's going to be the name of my new heavy metal band. 7:21 - That would also be a good name for a TV show: "Touched by an Angel's Pinky Toe".
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Pinky toe on the plate...left hand on red...right foot on blue...right hand on green. I love Twister !!!
You have two new campfire horror stories! Conscious sex dolls and attacking bears!
What about this;
Conscious sex dolls, THAT ARE ALSO BEARS
. . Next time they want to "Guilt" you ask to lead the prayer . . .
. . . . OH DARK LORD . . . Please forgive these bewildered and arrogant children for they know not what they do . . . Punish, with all your fury, The evil profiteers who have brainwashed them into doing their bidding . . .
Shemhamforash ! Hail Satan !
This works really well with the front door people . . . . . . . .
LMAO !!!! PERFECT !!
j. KOKO is there a version for Sekhmet? Just to make them be a bit shocked. :3
I believe in Jesus Christ, but I'm using this.
@@jacobwiren8142 just....why?
For the same reason I would step on the plate, sometimes a plate is just a plate and sometimes words are just words.
Yahweh is a petty god. Any being who would condemned you to hell because of a simply act to save your skin isn’t worth any respect.
Only the Christian version of Yahweh does that. Hell as a place of fire and brimstone is a Christian invention. Jewish Yahweh simply chops foreskins off and encourages people to eat Kosher. LOL.
Any god that would allow Hell to exist is a monster.
Hell is of Norse mythology and isn’t what “Christians” clamming it to be
Sean Michaels: and the Jewish god does that whether you're good or bad, right? Chops foreskins and makes you eat Kosher?
@@jamesheartney9546 - especially when its the same god that had originally created it to start off with. But then this is also the same god that allows painful deaths, disease, famine, slavery, genocide etc - so say no more. lol
My bong is hard polymer...i will start training with it immediately.
Actually here in Germany we have a secular version of a "prayer". "Piep piep piep, guten Apetit, jeder esse was er kann, nur nicht seinen Nebenmann und wir nehmen's ganz genau, auch nicht seine Nebenfrau". (loosly translated it means: enjoy your meal, eat what you can, just not your neighbor" I saw people holding hands while saying this on a documentery
Someone stops to pray in my house, they're praying to the sound of me eating.
I was married 5 or 6 years ago now, my wife (now ex) wasn't religious but would have labeled herself as "spiritual"
Her parents however are incredibly religious and she never wanted to rock the boat when it came to them. As a courtesy to her I usually just swallowed my protests and followed along.
Right before we were married (the day before maybe?) We were having supper with them and one of their family friends joined us. Afterward this family friend asked to pray for us, and my father in law encouraged it.
It was mostly the same platitudes but at one point he said something like
"and thank you lord for putting these two people together, a man and a woman, and not two men. "
He went on to talk about how God "hates the gays"
I was mortified, and so was my ex, but we were outnumbered and neither of us wanted to confront this stranger in the house her parents rented.
I regret holding my tongue.
What a terrible hateful man.
I don’t allow blessings at my dinner table in my house, nor do I participate in their seances around other dinner tables
Good point. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
Regarding the praying over food at someone else home where they are Christians. I'm the same as you. Yes, they have the right to say thanks to God in their home and in mine (privately), but you don't get people to join in who don't want to. I'd say, that's like you coming to my house and me insisting everyone to hold hands and thank the Goddess, or the green man. They DEFINITELY wouldn't want to do that, haha, so why should I thank God.
Yikes, your sis-in-law sounds scary, and controlling!! hahaha. The shaking hand thing creeps me out too.
I know I'm three years late to the conversation, but I have thoughts on the movie Silence. I saw the movie back when it debuted in 2016, and while I was watching it, I reacted similarly to Seth and wasn't sure what to make of it. As the days went on, I couldn't get the movie out of my head, and the more thought about, the more I realized how great the movie truly was, even if it may not have been exactly what Scorsese was going for.
Yes, as non-believers, it's easy for us to trample upon an effigy if doing so is enough to make the torture and murder of innocent people stop because it's a completely empty gesture that doesn't come at any real cost, and it stands to reason that theists might reach a similar conclusion since they could argue that their god would understand that this renunciation isn't sincere and done as an act of loving compassion, but their refusal to do so (as well as their god's inaction to do anything) highlights how venomous faith is.
Hence the title of film. It cuts both ways because to theists, the quiet moments are typically when they feel closest to their god, but that same silence exists whenever they cry out to God for help. I think Father Ferreira's (Neeson) line to Rodrigues (Garfield) sums it up pretty aptly. He says, "I pray too, Rodrigues. It doesn't help. Go on, pray. But pray with your eyes open." To me, he's ostensibly saying that even if God is real, he's not going to save you or any of the people you're trying to help, so if you really care about the suffering of these people, stop fixating on whether or not God approves and deal with reality on its terms.
Honestly, I could say a lot more about this movie and why I think it's actually quite good, but I think I've made my point.
With regards to Group prayers, on my travels I stopped at Palmerston atoll, an island of the Cook Islands. It was incidently my sixty-fifth birthday and the people there throw a party for me. Over a hundred of them showed up and they were wonderful people. When it came to the feast, they wanted me to say a prayer. I asked them: "Why? Don't you trust your cooks?" I had to explain why I didn't wanted to participate in their prayer and they respected it.
Seth,
I have been in that position before, u was even put on the spot and asked to bless the food, the person knew i was not religious. I just thanked the chicken for given up it's life so i could eat it.
John
Seth you could freak them out by doing a Satanist prayer at meal time "Let us stand now, unbowed and unfettered by arcane doctrines born of fearful minds in darkened times. Let us embrace the Luciferian impulse to eat of the Tree of Knowledge and dissipate our blissful and comforting delusions of old." lol
Thats kind of a dick move considering they know you are unbeliever.
But the chicken never willingly gave it's life to feed you.
Fabulous reply! I'm going to remember that!
Had to watch and share again. This is just too good. Thank you.
Seth, if it were my home and my sibling came in with her christian or muslim or jewish or anything else fiance, who decided to have a ritualistic prayer, which necessarily included atheist me, I would immediately stand up and voice my objection to both the fact that I do not allow such prayer and especially when led by a male under my roof. So my aversion to this whole thing is two-fold: It smacks of servitude and sexism.
Love your work Mr. Andrews. Please continue on
Making pictures of god isn't even allowed by the "10 commandments"
Art altogether was forbidden in the earliest forms of strict Judaism. Crazy!
Ty for this Seth! Even tho Ive been out for about 5 yrs, I still feel the effects of a lifetime of guilt and shame. Your show makea a differwnce in my life♡ much love!
I just sit there, waiting for them to do their thing and my level of annoyance depends completely on how hungry I am.
If god is omnipresent, it’s killing itself...
if a group prayer were to start in my house I would most likely just be stunned with disbelief at the very notion. (it should be noted that I and most if not all my relatives are not believers of any kind)
mikkelturtvig that is how horror movies start!
We had one out of our clowder that puked often than the others. After some internetting, we switched to an affordable grain free food & elevated their bowls. They were getting older & needed a little help in the grooming department, so we got new brushes & incorporated weekly “maintenance” into our lives. The vomiting stopped. Like, halted. Amazing.
Also, unexpectedly, the littler box scooping became easier as their waste is smaller & less stinky. We use less litter as well. We no longer keep strategic piles of newspaper around the house we used to slide under her when the horkimg started.
I felt guilty for not doing this sooner. Life is so much better for all of us now. I hope our experience helps you all!
This was definitely one of your funniest podcasts, Seth.
Same thing happened when I had Thanksgiving at my Dads house. He totally put me on the spot to say grace. I said, "you do realize the house heathen is saying grace?". He said "yep". I said "I'd take one for the team." Then I proceeded to thank the cook and my beloved flying spaghetti monster... he never asked me to say grace again. I said "what? That's who I worship (wink wink)". He didn't get the worship part being a joke and I didn't get why he put me on the spot knowing my convictions. I love the man dearly, but damn dude.
Did the same once. We used to throw the ritual to the host or hostess, and since I was hosting Thanksgiving for the family one year, the blessing was thrown to me. I took the opportunity to express to my family how much I loved them, how thankful I was to have them all together for this custom, how grateful I was for the incredible culinary talent in our family that always made every family meal a feast, that there was no blessing on heaven or earth better than a family that loves, honors, and enjoys each other. Amen - let's eat!
@@edselby that's perfect! I wish I had time to process a thoughtful response like that. Well done!
My husband is religious but after every meal he thanks the person who made it. And I love him more because of it.
My sister-in-law is one of those evangelical-home-schooling-Christian-parenting-book-writing people (seriously, she has written a number of books about parenting from a Christian perspective). She told me after a family gathering how much she appreciates me taking part in the family ritual of the pre-meal magic spell - sorry - blessing although she knows I don't actually pray. She has an aunt who, it seems, is also an atheist, but is an ass about it. She will leave the room in a huff whenever the blessing is said and only come back when it is all done. I simply stand there holding my wife's or nephew's or niece's hand while they bow their heads and do their incantation. Doesn't hurt me a bit.
Now in MY house - after I have completed the meal prep and everything is ready - I grab a plate and announce "dig in". If someone wants to do the ritual, go for it, but Imma gonna be over here putting grilled chicken and collard greens on my plate!
To be nonchalant about praying is to succumb to a religious belief that is antithetic to logic or reason and forces one to adhere to a dogma that is stupid.
Do not let religion dictate your life or have some religious nutcase decide what is good for you.
It sounds like a great move to mix with some of the action clips of Taken, and Taken 2. Thanks for the heads up. Now I know what to buy for my nut job family.
Pretty interesting and unique podcast as always Seth !
Cat dry retching in the middle of the night story... I hear you brother! It's like you were describing my life with 2 indoor cats. So funny!!!
Mr. Andrews.. always enjoy your talks. Funny and witty and always educational. in regards to your relatives who want to pray in your house.. if they expect you to respect their beliefs, then its only appropriate that they respect yours. it's not like you're being intentionally rude to them.
Having seen Martin Scorsese's film "Silence", I completely concur with all of Seth's criticisms concerning how the main characters display a level of irrationality and sheepishness that would elicit the scorn of any thoughtful person. However, I do like the film in that it does illustrate the day to day hypocrisy of your average "Bible believing Christian".
I would ask Christians that if the voluntary submission to persecution, torture, and suffering, as graphically displayed in the movie "Silence", has an ample scriptural mandate, as Seth demonstrated (11:25 - 12:10), then why do MOST of them resist subjecting themselves to this sort of treatment to spread the Gospels? Why don't these wonderful Christians, who luxuriate in their wonderful middle class homes, leave the comfort and safety of those surroundings, to go and preach the Gospel in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, and put their life and limb on the line?
Mmm...they have no problem citing chapter and verse when they want to decry homosexuality, premarital sex, or abortion, but then the very central command which Jesus implores of his followers the most - to go spread his message, regardless of the danger - goes unheeded. The UNWILLINGNESS of MOST Christians to endure such precarious circumstances for their faith demonstrates that MOST of them do not really believe what they claim. Their refusal to follow such painful and life threatening edicts in their Bible is proof positive that they subscribe to Christianity for other reasons outside of a genuine conviction in what they profess. I find that pointing out such inconsistencies silences these Bible thumpers more than any deep philosophical argument about the particulars of their faith.
Good point. If you could use a few more arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
or homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
@@headlights4395 Thanks for the suggestions.
To go out of your way to actively seek out torture and death, to pretty much insist on it, doesn’t express any kind of religiosity, rather masochism and suicidal tendencies
Hey, Seth, I had a chronic puker too (hair balls). I found it easier to take a puke-acceptable surface to the cat, rather than carrying the cat to a puke-acceptable surface. Laminated placemats are a great resource for this.
Story of Park Ranger doing a demonstration about bears in the park. 'You should buy little bells to tie on your shoes so you do not surprise the bears. And be sure you have bear pepper spray which you can buy in the tourist shop. And be sure to keep an eye out for bear scat (poop). There is a big difference between a brown bear and a grizzly. You can tell by looking at the scat." "How do you know the difference?" asked one of the tourists. "Well, brown bear scat is full of bones from mice and squirrels and lots of berry seeds and smells like forest greenery." he answered. "Grizzly bear scat is full of little bells and smells like bear pepper spray!!"
Im reading “sex and god” by dr ray right now and have really enjoyed it!!! It makes me so angry what we teach our little girls! It took me awhile to get past some of it too! But i am happily free from all that dogma now! (;
Personally, I don't mind being included in prayer. I will happily join people to mass and join them when they pray over their meal. I know it means something to them even if it means nothing to me, and I am glad to share that moment with them. Now, if they asked me to pray knowing I don't believe, or force me to do something that I don't want to, that's where I'd draw the line.
I think I'm going to start playing on my phone if I'm at a family gathering and they decide to pray.
When I am at places where prayers are said over meals, I am usually playing a game the whole time the prayer is said.
To think,, all of this suffering because God can't forgive a mythical man for eating a magic fruit.
People need to free themselves from all these delusions.
We love you, Seth!
Hey Sedth; you missed one,in The UK,a brothel is called a " knocking Shop " I cracked up when my British born neighbor told me that one !😉😂 PS love your videos,from a fellow free thinking woman😈!
This was really funny, Seth. I mean, your own stand-up special funny.
Just looked up the bong video. A true hero!
In my house we praise the cook if it is a dinner, otherwise we just wish each other a “bon appetite” and we dig in. In the case somebody decide to do a table blessing, up to him, I am eating already.
If I am outside as a guest and somebody decides to “take” my hand to have me participating in his religious rituals, I don’t know.
Probably I will leave that person hanging.
In the case he will not start without me taking his hand, I will have to excuse myself to go to toilet or otherwise ignore the unwanted “petition” and just start eating or start serving.
It may look rude to some people, but it is not less rude to force somebody to participate in religious rituals one doesn’t want to be part of.
It's distressing that your cat throws up all the time, you should have him looked at at the vet. I have a cat with IBS & she has had to be on several different foods that are corn & gluten free, and I've put her food dish up on a 6" pedestal of sorts, that actually helped a LOT. PLEASE TRY THESE TIPS OR ASK YOUR VET ABOUT THE FREQUENT VOMITTING! Cats deserve the same treatment as dogs for health problems! 😿😿😿
Have you tried Royal Canin's Sensitive Digestion food? Worked for mine.
He talked like it only threw up a lot after/during a trip. Cats spite-barf all the time.
@@MonadRimsire He did say that the cat regularly throws up at 2 am. And ain't such thing as spite barfing. The cat might throw up because he's anxious because a major change (moving house, or you left for vacation, or a baby was born) but that isn't spite.
Poor kitty! I hope there is a solution to that problem.I adore cats and have many of them so i know how it feels when they are not doing well.
By the way as a joke there should be a t shirt that says atheist cat person does not want yoire dogma.best of health to the furball.
As a child I fantasized about martyrdom - would I be strong enough to die for my faith?
All of a sudden it strikes me: I would die for real for someone who part-time died to save me? Oh, dear!
#RaisedBaptist
kurt vonnegut's "sirens of titan" is brilliant.
19:49 isn't life strange.
Seth, I've only tuned in to your program a few times, so I don't know. I hope you have more stuff like this out there. Every story you told was hilarious; your delivery rivals the most accomplished of stand-up comics.
I also am the proud owner of a feline puker. Sonny goes out of his way to avoid any non-carpeted surface. He will retch on the run if you try to interfere.
Point is, I've had quite a few cats, including one who used to puke in my husband's shoes. But before we got this long-haired, orange and white nightmare, I had never actually seen a hairball. It was not what I expected.
The hairball is a turd-like organ of sorts. I didn't know what the hell it was, so I somehow got the nerve to dissect one. What I found inside was something NO ONE should see -- a tightly packed mass that looked like the contents of a bathtub drain clogged with a quarter century's accumulation of hair, comingled with some unidentifiable, grotesque detritus.
I love Sonny, and he at least pretends to love me, but sometimes I just want to see his head on a spike.
LOL lots later. Thanks!
I LOVE the welcome from my pets! So unconditional. Makes you feel loved.
Damn right, I'd plant my foot on this plate. Later on I might repent etc. but in private without witnesses - because God knows. Thank goodness, I am NOT religious. But those films are made so religious viewers can squirm with delight "OH we're so repressed" It is SICKENING. But the more pain and blood and agony - the more they love it. Yes, it is a cat thing. No bears, please.
Na, it's okay. We all know Gethsemane was just acting for foreplay, and Jesus was a masochist anyways.
I thought if I were ever asked to give a prayer, that I would say a few lines from Swninburne's Garden of Proserpine: "From too much love of living,/From hope and fear set free,/ We thank with brief thanksgiving/Whatever gods may be/That no life lives for ever;/That dead men rise up never;/That even the weariest river/Winds somewhere safe to sea." Of course "whatever gods may be" doesn't imply that there are any.
Talking about your pets has me literally LOLing. Note: Generic cat food brands are what usually cause cat vomiting (at least with my experience having three cats in my life). the ingredients are horrid. I buy a more premium brand online. and brush regularly. No vomit.
Purina makes a product that was pretty good for most of the lives of my cats, as they started getting older we eventually had to switch to something that they could digest better.
I was so hoping for a twist to the prayer story, such that after joining hands your now host would say: seth was so gracious to allow us prayer at his house, we shall return the same honor by saying toight: dig in!" Prayer over....that would have been cool, but unfortunately, not to be expected. How folks who declair a religious belief think that autommatically get magically embued with morality is beyond rational understanding.
Thank you! I thought that movie was HORRIBLE and had the exact same thoughts while watching this: why are they CELEBRATING this madness?? Love this channel, so funny and wise.
Excellent post!
I haven't laughed so hard as I did over your puppy and cat segment. Soooooooooooo common.
I wasn't brought up religious. I don't care if people pray, it doesn't trigger any memories for me or make me uncomfortable unless the words of the prayer are icky. When my kids were young we sometimes joined hands silently before a meal but it was to acknowledge that we were feeling communal. This made it more comfortable for everyone when god-believers visited - we could join hands and if they were going to pray during the silence, fine by us. I think that, as the general population becomes more secular, issues like this will seem less fraught.
Reminds me of scene from James Clavell's Shogun, where Dr. Kildare explains to the Shogan that the Pope has divided the world between Spain an Portugal! The Shogan is incredulous!
Like the novel love the mini drama.
I will not argue with making this one of the top ten films. It is like my favorite Christmas carol and one of my favorites songs period - "Oh Holy Night". As art, it extremely well conveys the emotion of the believer in a very beautiful composition. It is great art, no matter that the basic premise is crap. I have not seen this movie, but if I had, I would probably have been moved by the sacrifice of the characters, no matter how misguided. Just as I watched Clint Eastwood's movies about Iwo Jima. The Japanese were bat shit crazy, but one has to admire, on some level, their sacrifice. There are many movies picturing Wermacht soldiers in WW II in a good light, and many are highly acclaimed. Are they crap too? Simply because we reject the reason for which a person would give their all, does not mean that a movie about their noble sacrifice is bad.
I love your way of dealing with the hypocritical public pray-ers. I'll try that.
LOL with your cat-yack impression! Here too.
If I was god, I would be telling them to dance on the plate, all over my face.
Yep. I would amaze them with my ability to tap dance fer sure.
It's amazing, frankly, that their God hasn't thought of this. He's all powerful and all knowing but he hasn't figured out that dead people can't worship him? The not-so-bright all-knowing god...
That's what I would've said if I were God. Anything to ease one's suffering.
Have you seen the film? The priest tells his followers to step on the plate. God is silent though. Hence the name of the film.
It’s a good for evolution purposes. Any idiot that would die for something like that, let’s hope it happens before they reproduce atleast.
My daughter (7) takes piano lessons from a very nice lady; she's christian. She has a plaque on her wall in her home (where she gives her lessons) with that ole "Jesus loves me, this I know". Plenty of other symbols abound in the house. Fine. Your house. Fine. But, she arranges recitals periodically...her and her husband (he's actually quite strange) are a musical team. This recital which took place at our city's public library featured a fucking full on, straight up Jesus prayer lead by her husband. Everyone in the audience was asked to bow their heads...all the rest. I was beside myself. But, my wife, who is uncomfortable when I have a reasonable reaction to being forced into religious observance against my will at a recital where my 7 year old is performing, wanted to pick a fight with me...just because she could feel the heat coming off of me over this. My wife is not religious, and she entertains my love for my atheist speakers, but she doesn't want to be any part of the "resistance" at all. Anyone else go through this kind of thing on a regular basis?
Even as an atheist, I love this movie. I saw it in the theatre while I was towards the end of my deconversion but still in the phase that I was trying to hold on. I think you missed the end of the movie and the whole point. The voice of god comes to him and tells him to step on him for he came into the world to bear our suffering. The point of the movie was when is it morally wrong to hold onto your faith if it is hurting others. And the silence represents the silence of god through our hard times. Ironically, this movie both showed a side of god I had never considered (a self sacrificial and genuinely loving side who puts the needs of his children over his own). However, the movie could also be considered heretical as a Christian because the Bible clearly teaches you have no ability to deny Jesus for any reason. So that version of god doesn’t exist in a biblical sense (or a real one). It’s still a powerful movie and I think it takes hard and critical look at religion and try’s to find something deeper through all the dogma.
I also think that this movie followed the wolf of Wall Street is just amazing
I love the shapermint commercials, Just love em!
The puking cat at 2 am had me LMFAO!
I'd like to hear Seth talk more about the show Humans - one of my favourite programmes.
I could never give up the pomp and ceremony of atheism.
The movie shows how dangerous Catholicism is. On one hand you have the fanatics that murder in name of faith, while on the other, the simple who prefer to become martyrs.
Did the survey. I don't consider kissing on the face sexual, so my answers were slightly skewed.
Also, that's what the laundry mat is for. Get your jacket cleaned while you screw some doll, then they take the doll next door to clean them.
Religious people are rude very often, they will force you to "pray along" if they have a chance. I'm an agnostic, I consider myself a kinda believer, and I find it offensive when someone tries to force me into their particular ritual, ugh!
As for the most important: you might wanna brush your cat to prevent him throwing up. My Mom and I, we have 6 cats, the loveliest creatures in the world, half-feral. They hardly ever get sick, I brush them daily =) Cheers to your kitty!
I'm super late with this. 😂 My grandfather is super religious and no one from my family dares to disagree with him. (Some from my immediate family is religious too but mostly respectful.) It's horrendous to witness him disrespect everyone by forcing them to pray in weddings and everywhere.
Luckily they will never visit my home due the distance. I would not tolerate it in my home and fight my skin off. 😂😂
@21:16 There has actually been a movie made on that exact topic, Seth. Check out 'Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence", it's pretty good if you can digest the heavy and pervasive philosophy references.
I love the Ghost in the Shell universe. I'm a fan of pretty much anything Masamune Shirow puts out. Shame though that he went into making porn (not that I have anything wrong with it). The artwork is exquisite, but I kinda really wanted him to finish Appleseed. :(
The bit about the bear reminded me of a bow-hunter colleague who said that at the range of his bow, he'd have time for two and a half shots at a grizzly bear, so he wasn't going to try it.
To hell with thanking some made- up deity for the food. How about thanking the poor animal who, unwillingly, gave his or her flesh or bodily secretions. Hardly any one ever considers that.
How anatomical. If you could use a few arguments, or if you have problems for religious/cultural reasons, this can help you: “On Human Suffering and the Concept of God” - the psychological origin of religious beliefs.
neomodernistpoetry.blogspot.com/2018/11/on-human-suffering-and-concept-of-god.html
so when are you going to present the annual ghost stories? Sorry to be a pest but i do look forward to it
the sequel to "west world" should be "Doll World" where as the paying visitor buys his ticket to West World and mistakenly walks into the wrong "ride". "I'm gonna ride the filly till I tame her". giddy up!
Re: cats puking: Most of our cats over the years have been prone to puking to various extents. Casey, a beautiful Siamese, began heaving over a couple of days, bringing nothing up and not eating. A trip to the vet, and surgery revealed that he had eaten a piece of roast beef string out of the garbage. After the surgery it seemed his stomach was smaller yet he continued to gobble down his chow at the same pace as before, with the result that the puking increased to near daily. I would hear the heaving noise and quickly yell and move towards him to at least make sure he wasn't hitting carpet or furniture. I'll never forget the time that started happening and he immediately began to run away from me, but also continued to puke while. he. was. on. the. run! Puke spread out over 5 feet of floor. yecch.
Seth is gold.
I think he is over qualified, myself! Sorry I thought you said god.
U-Dap bear spray is advertised on local TV stations in Montana. Effect on grizzlies varies (not much) works better on black bears.
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" ... the plate is an abomination and SHOULD be desecrated with a foot mashing ... unbelievable that seasoned priests wouldn't know this
Your family pray over their food and expect you to join in? Pah! You think you've got problems! After my daughter was born, a friend of the family took her in her arms and arranged MY family into a group with me shoved to the back while she prayed over my baby on a public ferry! She meant well, I don't want to start a fight with a good woman who wishes my family well, but that was a serious overreach!
Very interesting collection of reflections and analyses. Now, as a woman I want to know why brothels are ALWAYS only for men. When anyone talks about sex services, brothels, prostitutes, "dolls," etc, they are always talking about sexual services for men. I want to see prostitution legalized, but I would also really appreciate it if sexual services for women were acknowledged as JUST AS IMPORTANT. "Well, a woman can get sex whenever she wants it, because men are willing to screw anything." No. Not true, and a pretty disgusting suggestion - but I hear it and see it all the time. We all need and want sexual intimacy, without judgement, without obligation, without having to play games or fend off unhealthy possessiveness.
Wait the Brothel thing was real? I thought that was just a rumor/lie created by People like Ken Ham... Wow I was laughing the whole time Seth talked about it. Made my Morning. Also Bong Bat- Seth Andrews 2018.. XD Someone got their ass kicked with a Bong, wtf! " I think I'm more afraid of this stuff than the Conscious Sex Dolls.. " - Seth Andrews 2018. Seth you are just a Gold Mine for quotes. You made my morning/Afternoon.