“Completely, Utterly Obsessed With Murder” Criminal Psychologist On Teen Murderers Of Brianna Ghey
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2023
- Murderers of teenager Brianna Ghey will be named by the media when they are sentenced, a judge has ruled.
Justice Yip ordered the press can identify the teens responsible for the “frenzied and ferocious” attack on Brianna, 16, stabbed with a hunting knife 28 times in her head, neck, chest and back after being lured to Linear Park, Culcheth, a village near Warrington, Cheshire, on the afternoon of February 11.
Her killers both tried to blame each other for the stabbing but on Wednesday were both found guilty of murder by a jury at Manchester Crown Court following a four week trial.
Throughout the trial, media had been ordered not to name the defendants, identified only as girl X and boy Y - both now aged 16 but 15 at the time.
TalkTV’s Ian Collins is joined by criminal psychologist Dr David Holmes to discuss the story.
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Don't blame autism. I have autism but I wouldn't kill or hurt others.
It's the algorithms that keep showing u the same crap. Down a rabbit hole. Same as the radical terrorists
He said it is extremely rare for an autistic person to do something like this.
My brother is autistic, and he is kind soul, he loves animals and feels sorry for people in need. Autism is not to blame.
my brother has autism he's like this he always says he wants to murder and he collect weapons..
@YNWANI autism doesn't make ppl have homicidal thoughts. We don't want to kill ppl. Xx ❤️
The constant references to autism throughout this segment are incredibly alarming. While he does say it is 'rare' for an autistic person to commit such heinous acts, Mr. Collins seemed to counteract this statement entirely by choosing to continue to make very negative and generalised statements in relation to autistic people. This was NOT 'autism gone wrong'. This was a case of two children who are utterly evil who happened to be autistic.
I am so sorry to every autistic person who is having to hear such horrible things from the media at this time.
Well it does seem to happen alot...
How dare they ,go with Autism , that how evil they are ,disgusting to any person ,who suffering from Autism , l from my heart apologise
Well he's blaming humans, so we can all be offended
I have autism, and like the expert states, those with autism are the least likely to commit violent acts. What we have with X and Y is anti-social behaviour (i.e. psychopathy) with narcissism and sadism. That is what has caused lack of empathy etc. Neither autism, or any other form of neurodiversity, is a factor re lack of empathy.
I agree. I feel it is more than likely that they have psychopathy issues going off. As someone with autism myself, I understand we have our issues. But for most ppl on the autism spectrum, they do not want to kill other ppl. Xx ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Algorithms play a part aswell. Constantly showing u the same evil. Down a rabbit hole. Like the radical terrorists.
Yes..but autistic people get obsessive..so they were obviously genuinely interested in "true crime"...making lists, getting steadily worse and more obsessed...making it like a game?
@@silvermoonuk you're misunderstanding what's being said, probably due to your autism...
Esthers voice during her speech, is so heartbreaking
I'm alarmed at his constant reference to Autism
That’s tragic, prayers go out to the family… I’m straight and not really one for trans or lgbt… but that was cold blooded murder. They should be locked up in prison till death. If people can’t get over what another person does behind closed doors or what’s in between their legs they should find something better to do with their lives.. rather than rob a young trans girl of her life.
💯% agree with u
God bless Brianna only a small girl but touched many hearts all over the world these evil 2 should be named and need to never see day light Brianna was a lovely lady just starting out in life who had her future took away from in my eyes 2 evil so called humans
*trans girl / * trans lady
Using autism as an excuse in this case is bollocks in fact its a massive stretch and is not in anyway factual of autistic traits
I think all true crime obsessives are a bit weird..WHY would you focus solidly on dark things?just weird
Jesus Christ! His knowledge of Autism resides in the 90s. Such old and inaccurate tropes. Updated education badly needed with many psychologists.
I don't think this guy's a particularly good psychologist... He explains how autistic people are more likely to be interested in objects than people, fine, but then he equates that with lack of guilt or empathy for others. He's just mixing autistic traits with psychpthic traits and basing very little to no evidence.
There needs to be much more restriction on games, films, visuals on internet which normalises such horror. Maybe it didn’t make them killers but it didn’t help. Copy cat behaviour
Serial killers have existed ad infinitum. Stop blaming anything other than the parents and lack of mental health awareness both on a societal and medical level
@@verzeda no. If you continually get fed images of violence it normalises it. Mental health is affected when you are subjected to unrelenting horrific images. Barbaric acts become acceptable
@@California265 no scientific study on games has ever come to the conclusion games make you worse, take responsibility for your actions and don’t blame others
Not necessarily, its the interplay between the persons pathology and the content they're engaging with that has an effect on their behavior, moderating the content won't work, they still have the desire to observe violence. But yes media violence can contribute to that person's issues but to what degree is largely overstated.
@@davehug5405Its all about the interplay between the individual's issues and the content, yes the content influences them, but that doesn't mean the content is inherently dangerous, violent media can make some people more likely to repeat the actions they're witnessing, the literature is pretty clear on this, Social learning theory, people can adopt violence in part through vicarious reinforcement, however this effect is massively overstated by people who don't actually understand or haven't read studies on the effect of media violence on human behavior. However yes it has an effect, that is absolutely irrefutable and all the psychological literature is basically unanimous on that one. - third year psych student.
I have aspergers and I have studied psychology. I find this man to be incorrect. What I have found through research is that autistic traits can look very similar to psychopathic traits on the outside but these behaviours stem from very different reasons and feelings within. What may look like autism on the outside could well be psychopathy on the inside. Psychopaths can easily disguise themselves as autistic because some traits look very similar.
I researched this subject extensively because I became very interested in it after being compared to a psychopath many times due to my apparent lack of empathy. It is incorrect that autistic people don't have empathy, we just struggle to identify and display emotions. We still feel them but don't always recognise the feeling. I have the same issue with recognising hunger and pain too. Sometimes we feel things too much and other times not enough, sometimes senses get mixed up which makes it difficult to identify what we feel. This is very different to a psychopath and the reasons why they don't show empathy or feelings.
All this being said, it is important not to completely demonise all psychopaths as it is a condition that they are born with. Like autistic people, the brain they were born with is not their fault.
It is important to remember that not all psychopaths are murderers. Some do live successful lives without causing harm to others. Also, not all murderers are psychopaths as people can become killers for many reasons.
In this case, I think that both of the killers are psychopaths and they are using autism as a cover for their psychopathy.
Neither psychopathy or autism is an acceptable excuse for the crime that they both committed and both need to be kept away from society for the rest of their lives.
No they are just autistic my brother is like this he has been diagnosed with autism and I've seen the girls instagram and social media, she's defo autistic
Are they from that special group of people .
What special group is that? Do you mean Muslims/immigrants/ some other foreigners? No, they are white, English middle class
@@tarantulagirl666 he was talking about white English middle class....?
His father called his son 'her'.Absurdity reaching new levels.