SECOND LINE IS THE MOTHER OF ALL DRUM SET GROOVES
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- In this impromptu Jazz Drummer Q-Tip of the Week with Geoff Clapp, he breaks down why second line is the mother of all drum set grooves. Studying second line drumming will help drummers create deeper and funkier grooves because second line is the mother of all drum set grooves. Everything can be traced back to second line and New Orleans drumming. Geoff also explains what the "big 4" in New Orleans music is. New Orleans drumming is arguably the most important style of drumming to learn because new orleans drumming and second line drumming is the mother of all drum set grooves.
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00:00 - Super Thank Q
00:21 - Second Line Playing Intro
00:46 - Greetings from Q
01:22 - Lesson Explaination
02:09 - ARE YOU READY!?
02:19 - New Orleans drumming and Geoff Clapp Intro
03:30 - New Orleans groove and "big 4" demonstration
04:33 - "Big 4" creates tension and release moments
05:10 - Second Line Groove with "Big 4" demo
06:24 - Demonstrating how all drum set grooves are related to Second Line Drumming
07:17 - "Big 4" with brushes
08:20 - Outro
09:03 - Riffing on Q with "Big 4"
GREAT HANG!!! love you big brother Q!! 🔆🧡🔆
New Orleans
Africa Meets Native Americans Meets European marching in line with Turkish Cymbals...
You are a master teacher
Your guest is impeccable
Keep up the grooves good sir
Don’t forget the Chinese toms!
Much respect👊🏾
I don't think anyone can find an example of Africans playing that beat.
@@darz3829 Let me guess, Africans did not create anything to African American culture... so congo square was just a name... im not going to debate with you....enjoy babylon
@@gasdemup Of course you're not going to debate. I made a simple statement and you can't refute it. But I notice you are going for the irrational rant.
Thanks, this is exactly what I needed as a bass guitarist who recently started playing jazz!
One of those lessons that switch that light on in your head.
Awesome!
Oh man, Geoff’s got the funky feelin’! Nawlins has a special feel that makes you move like nuthin else. Johnny Vidacovich, Zig Modeliste, and of course Baby Dodds!
Right on Danny!
Stanton too 👌🏽🎶🥁
ever notice when a guy 'has it' you notice it right away? Both Quincy and Geoff got it.
I had the honor of studying with Johnny V when he moved to Houston the Fall of ‘05 after Katrina. I only got be with him a semester as he had to go back to get a tree off his house come December, but his lessons were wholesome, abstract and always fun loving. Johnny’s a big kid! He was 57 at the time and told me every time he sits at the kit, he feels like he’s 17 again. Hearing that when I was 20, I said sign me up for life!!
Later I got to see him again at the Maple Leaf when I got married at 30 and had our honeymoon in N’Awlins after our Mardi Gras themed wedding. Now I’m approaching 40 with my wife and our 2 kids, but I got to see the world playing and touring with his principles in mind, with each year gaining more depth into the same concepts he shared with me in such a short time.
Johnny demystified the drums for me as tree trunks & skins and you beat’em with a stick! Then he gave me the 12/8 motherbeat, structure of the 3-2/2-3 clave and challenged me to play shapes & colors instead of quantifying everything.
A character & energy like no other, thanks for everything Johnny V! And thank you fellas for putting these videos together!! Cheers! 🍻
New Orleans, birthplace of the drumkit!!
I first saw and heard the ''4'' when I first went to NOLA, and all the books I was studying to their credit, couldn't explain that. I had to see it, and it was on the street in the 90's. Now I get it, and have always felt the same, even as the clave has the 4 in it, sometimes omitting it can be a form of emphasis. Great video.
Right on! Thanks for watching.
I think a good addition to a lesson like this would be to add musical examples or a list of recordings of where this beat lives. Coming from the brass bands that pioneered it, to the ones that still play today. It should be noted that drumset players are really trying to mimic what at least one person playing the snare drum and another playing the bass drum are doing. I am glad that you put this up, more people need to know and understand the "continuum" . 👍
This is an ICONIC collab 🙌🏻
That is the simplest and most effective explanation I've ever seen !! Fabulous !! The Big 4 release !!
I bought dr johns album,gumbo, 52 years ago,was living in kentucky,was hooked,now am 45 minutes from nola
Awesome album for sure!
Saw a guy breakdown the Cissy Strut drum lick to the Second Line. I enjoy your stuff. You can never stop learning.
His presentation was a little scattered but there was some magic and useful information among the random fiddle-diddle. However I will hit that love button because you share so much great information and in my five decades of drumming I’m still hungry for more knowledge.
My bro Geoff just loves drums and loves people. Not the most natural teacher but through hearing him play and seeing his genuine love for music and the drums, his message and teachings come through. Thanks for watching👍🏾
Well Well Well
Yesterday I had a drum lesson and I had an introduction to 2nd line drumming. This morning I ran downstairs and hopped on the drums to try and piece together what I was shown yesterday.
After a while I said “ let’s see what Q has to say on the subject “ . I found this video and Lo and behold… my outstanding drum teacher is sitting at Q’s drumset giving us the details.
I knew I was being instructed by a wise and wonderful teacher and Mr. Davis just confirmed it.
Ha! Glad I didn't let you down with the second-line my man Angelo:)
Fantastic even for jazz!! Those grooves are
Just wonderful
Really did all your videos, Quincy. Great tools that you breakdown for easy practical application.
Oh man, i luv it 🙌 thanks to you both Quincy & Geoff 🙏
YES!! So love the second line feel, this was super helpful! Deepest dive into the topic I've heard
Thank you so much for these videos, they’ve helped me grow so much as a drummer, it’s awesome so have such fundamental resources for free you are very generous with your knowledge. UNT is one of my future goals so it’s great being able to learn from the faculty without even attending but hopefully I can meet you there one day !
Great video! Thank you!
Thank you so much, Quincy! Great video featuring two awesome drummers! Geoff Clapp is an excellent musician and, as you know, a way beautiful cat!
So valuable, thanks for posting!
Great great lesson opens up a lot of space in the groove
Amen brother. The Meters are in the place!
i will get me a blue polo shirt. this will make me a better drummer for sure haha
Ha! Total coincidence. Lol!!
Magic‼️thanks gents✌️🌻
This was Really Cool!
Beautiful !!!
I´m a horn player and I find this to be extremely important to my playing also because it relaxes The music and makes the music be danceable because the tempo will not rush.
Wow this is a fabulous lesson! Gives me a much better understanding and appreciation of second line especially as it applies to playing the set and grooves . Tension and release, the march. Appreciate the keen insights from you both.
Awesome to hear. Glad it was helpful Chucky!
Good as it gets, with brass and skins sounding sublime.
Thanks Rob👊🏾
Thanks for yours competence
love the channel ! Thank U !
Fantastic topic! A lot of learning in 9 minutes.
Right on Tommy👊🏾
Thanks!
Oh the Big Four.... 💥 Boom on the Floor !!!
James Bond relies on "M"....... Jazz drumming relies "Q" !!!
Just another amazing lesson...
Thank you Serkan!
Stellar lesson
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@drumqtips Always enjoy your lessons. Got my first strictly second line gig tmrw, and that nugget about the 4 helps tremendously! I can see how that same concept is what makes Bernard Purdie's grooves so infectious. There's always a breathe at the end of his phrases.
Keep it up brotha 🙏
He sounds fantastic, but no one talks about the WHY when it comes to second line drumming. Any drumkit version of second line (whether it's Vernel Fournier, the Meters, or Herlin Riley) is just an interpretation of what a separate bass drummer and snare drummer would play. And that's not just some old shit, it's a living tradition and vocabulary in New Orleans. It's the same thing as Latin/salsa drumming on kit being an interpretation of a whole percussion section -- if you only listen to drumkit players do it, you're just getting a picture of a picture.
Anyone who's seriously interested in the music should spend a while searching "New Orleans second line" and "sa&pc" (social aid & pleasure club) and watching the footage, and check out the drummers of the Rebirth Brass Band, New Birth Brass Band, Treme Brass Band, TBC, Stooges, Big 6, etc.
There's also so much to talk about with the different bass drum patterns and claves in New Orleans drumming, and the 8th note feel, but I get that it's a short video. :)
I agree with you 100%. This was just a super brief demo and explanation of second line. Maybe we’ll do a more thorough lesson in the future. Thanks for watching!
That video from the 90s with Herlin Riley is a good one...I think Johnny Vidocovich was on it too. Really in-depth. But this video is excellent. The 2nd line (although initially played by multiple drummers) is actually the first rhythm to be played on the “drumset” if I'm not mistaken. Thanks for posting this Q. I'm loving all the videos.
Love!
Great !!!
Merci!
Very kind of you. Merci to you sir🙏
Thanks
No problem Theo👍🏾
If you think New Orleans music, or New Orleans musical concepts dont apply to you because you play rock music.....then your missing the boat. Awesome lesson/demonstration - I sub'd!!!
Great stuff! Love Geoff’ aka “Clapper” playing - check out the infectious grooving on Sam Fribush Organ Trio Vol. II - The Root, with Charlie Hunter - the tune “Stomp and Buck Dance” grooves hard with that great 2nd Line feel!!!
Right on Brian!
Love it! Missing the slipper cam! 😎🙌🏼
Been too lazy lately but I’ll bring her back soon:)
And there it is, the tap dancing and the link to James Brown. I'm glad I'm not the only crazy person who thinks this! Awesome video, thanks for doing it!
New Orleans Drumming starts and finishes at Congo Square. Its a drummers city. Even though the brass rules, the skins keep the kingdom together. The Bamboula and Congo rhythms are in all of our genres of music down here.
Absolutely Barry! I'm with you my man.
This was great! And I love the blue shirt brothers from other mothers thing you have going on
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Louis Armstrong called it the #Punch-n-Bounce
Nice one…no…four !!
Thanks Tim!
Ha, I know Geoff, yo Geoff, keep groovin' bro. Hope you've still got that Paiste ride dude, DC
Like the video.Do you have the written part of The New Orleans?
I don’t unfortunately.
When you're hooked on flash basics brings you into a groove. Hold back then attack.
Hey Q Chan ! I’ve
enjoyed your video a lot ! You know the big 4 came from caribbean rhythm like cuban music?
Absolutely Chef Kurata-San! Hope all is well my friend. Hope to see you in Nippon soon👍🏾
Quite funny and unusual this video !..😃
Second line drumming is so GD funky. If that don't make you bop your head...
youre faces man hahaha good technique
Can you give us some direction to names to listen out for New Orleans drumming drummers and recordings ?
Check out anything that Shannon Powell, Herlin Riley and Johnny Vidakovich are on.
Yoooooo. Best Buy got drum lessons now?!?!? LFGooooooo
Bahahahahaha🤣
This is one style of music that I have very limited exposure to. Are there artists or groups that you suggest that I can listen to for more Second Line stuff? I really like this lesson as this groove reminds me of a swung march with the emphasis on the fourth beat which gives it a bit of an anticipatory chug. All in all I see a lot of applications for this style of grooving and am interested in exploring it deeper. Thank you for any information that you can give me. :-)
Start with listening to Paul barbarins second line.
Listen to Dirty Dozen Brass Band, Rebirth Brass Band and for a more in-depth roots connection, listen to the Mardi Gras Indians.
I play drum set and I really like the band The Meters, also from New Orleans, they play funky music that incorporates second line phrases on the drums that I believe is pretty funky indeed. There’s distinct displacement of the back beat and also displacement of the entire two feel which can also be expressed as “the big four”
@@jonjackson2690 THank you, I will check out those groups as well. This is most helpful. I find that I really like the feel of this style of music. IT combines the precision of traditional marching with the swing the swing of New Orleans.
Listen to Winton Marsallis - New Orleans. It's a celebration of the roots of modern jazz.
I'm not sure what is being demonstrated. Are we looking for something different on the 4, or is this just about maintaing the 4 count throughout
The emphasis of beat 4 ever other measure is what he was trying to demonstrate. Thnx
LMAO when he hit his headset
Soulful🤣🤣
Bro the cut at 6:58 after his headset fell
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If it wasn’t for New Orleans jazz, I don’t think Broadway would exist. Some Broadway shows clearly had the music inspired by New Orleans jazz.
Do you know Forró (Brazilian Rhythm)?
Absolutely! Love Forrò drumming/music.
@@drumqtips Carlinhos Papa-léguas Official:
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4 and?
Beat 4
@@drumqtips it sounds to me like 4 + though.
Example that springs to mind is Bill Stewart's hi hat in the Scofield composition '7th Floor' (notwithstanding the emphasis changes every other measure due to the time sig.). But: the emphasis in 2nd line is predominantly on the off-beat, with the 'reset' being on the 4-and, surely?
@@drumqtips Regardless, I love your channel!
What it 2nd line drumming?
Traditional New Orleans march drumming.
Goodness ,I almost feel like schaving of my hair man.
No seriously:
T H A N K Y O U
Ha!!! That’s hilarious🤣🤣
Funny, this style of "New Orleans" drumming has only been around since the 1940s. I challenge anyone to post a link to a recording of it done before the 40s. Jazz drumming based on 4/4 or 2/4 "straight beats" can be traced from 1917 to 1940 and even in 1940 and after, far more recordings feature straight beats than "second line". Second line is really just a way for drummers to stop being bored doing what they're supposed to do.
Hmmmm I appreciate your comment but that’s not correct. Ever heard of james Reese Europe, baby dodds and Zutty singleton? There’s recordings that prove New Orleans drumming has been around since early 1900s.
@@drumqtips First of all, the first jazz band recordings were made in 1917. James Reese Europe was mostly involved in ragtime - drum parts with that are not New Orleans street beat. Baby Dodds and Zutty are well known for their straight drumming in pioneer jazz bands of the 1920s. I am not aware of any recordings featuring "second line" drumming done before 1940. Can you prove your statement that there are recordings with "second line" drumming? A link would be best.
@Mo Roberts I'm sorry - that word was used assuming those reading it understood English. But I'll explain it. The video is claiming that a particular drum beat is the origin of all drum grooves. I take issue and ask (challenge) anyone to find examples of it before 1940. "challenge" doesn't necessarily mean with guns.
The stick drop in the intro, nearly lost me... the buzz strokes on the floor tom, last chance... then he says "reggae has a big 3'. I'm out. It's called the ONE DROP.
Not for me this time Q....inviting this friend was not a good idea to me, i can see lessons like that with many other drums teachers that try to satisfied there ego doing there "show" before thionking of sharing the passion.... so please stay "Unique" as you always are. That is just my point of view as you always ask for feedback... regards
Thanks for sharing your opinion👍🏾
Second line is black, you have a plethora of black drummers in New Orleans. You couldn't find any Black Musicians?
Come on man. Not necessary. If u know me, than you know I’m always making sure to give it up to my fellow black cohorts and the numerous black legends who created this art form. Most of the drummers I site and talk about on my channel (ON PURPOSE) are black but there are so many non-black drummers who are great and deserve to be recognized. Of COURSE I know who created this music. So does Geoff. Geoff knows his stuff and I respect his musicianship and knows a hell of a lot more about the New Orleans than I do. Plus I don’t live in New Orleans where many of the New Orleans masters live so I could have faked it like I know about this music or do a lesson with Geoff who is great. I look forward to having a chance to do this with some of the living black New Orleans musicians. Watch my video called “what is jazz?” You’ll understand better where I stand with my people and the music we’ve created.
@@drumqtips I was born and raised in a predominantly black neighborhood in New Orleans called the 9thward(right down the street from the florida projects).
Black Based Second Lines,Black Indian Commemorations and Super Sundays etc was and still is Black people pain,joy,happiness,anger etc. These elements was created because whites in New Orleans wanted a apartheid that goes back to 24 generations of Slavery,Plessy vs Ferguson separate but equal case,another 100 years of semi slavery Jim Crow,Blowing up the Levees which led to millions of Blacks including black children drowning and being displaced.
We as Black people dont gate keep our culture,that's why you have whites like this guy copying/covering black culture which equates to his compensation.
You wouldn't ask a Black person publicly to tell you about chronological events pertaining to the Chinese Festival in San Francisco,you know why? Because you know the Asains wouldn't allow it. You and certain blacks like yourself know it wont be consequences when you disrespect Black people,Black Culture or even desecrate on the Black Ancestors graves who paved the way for future Black generations. The same second line drum session that he is exploiting was illegal to blacks,now it's legal for every body to capitalize.
Respectable response q, right on. You shouldn’t have to defend yourself in this area.
@@llamapie24 Man please,your a white colonizer. It's your job to take his side because you know negroes like him dont have a problem with giving white society permission to harm black folks indirectly or directly.
I don't know this Quincy guy,he's not even from New Orleans. Im going to do what i can to gatekeep New Orleans black culture,especially dark skinned wannabe Europeans like this Quincy character that habitually desecrate on our Black ancestors graves.
SHITTY LESSON,,,,I DONT SEE NO FOUR,,,HE GOES WAY TO FAST,,,,
Thanks for watching anyway.
please stop twirling your drumstick
pet peeve cringe on steroids
Noted. At least you asked nicely👍🏾
Big 4???? Your release is coming on the One every time so why nerd do you call it big 4??? Yeah there are 4 quarter note beats in this groove but the “release” sure as hell is NOT coming on the 4th beat.
First of all, I’m not sure the reason for such aggressive energy towards me or Geoff. Secondly, the big 4 happens on beat 4, not 1. Geoff is clearly demonstrating this. Sorry if you’re interpreting it differently.
Your aggression is pretty disgusting.
Furthermore, the 'release' is on the 8th 8th note, ie, the 'and' of '4'
@@mrnulliustestikleezeeastee7365 just different ways of counting it but the groove/feel is what counts and this cat Geoff & Mr. Quincy - they’ve got the Groove!
So why don’t you demonstrate/show us your mastery and how we should be doing it? Put a link to your instructional video and I’ll check it out. Thank you.
There's a Scofield tune called 'In the Cracks' - is Vidacovich playing a particular rhythm or is it just a groove that goes with the tune? Anyone?
Not a particular rhythm or groove. Just a sloppy funky New Orleans groove that fits the tune.
@@drumqtips Thanks man!
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Thanks to you!
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That’s very kind of you. Thank you. Cheers!
Thanks!