Taken from an old VHS tape, this is the second archive look at London's Underground trains of the past, both tube and surface stock of vintage era are all featured, including the CO/CP farewell tour
I'm old enough to have travelled on all of these trains, how I miss them - particularly the little red 1938 stock (my favourite.) I don't remember what year it was but I have a memory of waiting for a District line train at Barons Court. The D stock was now in full service, but to my surprise a red CO/CP train came into the platform. I was so happy to ride in it once more, it even had the old adverts from when it was last in scheduled service. I don't know why it was taken out of retirement and I never saw it again. It's a very happy and vivid memory though.
The weight of the R & CO/CP stock was always felt as they rumbled into a station. Shame there isnt a unit currently running as Id love to travel on one again. Thanks for the upload
What a great video. Who needs fireworks with that winter lightshow. The only winter I was in London for while the A stock were still around was 2011/12, watching the arcing in the snow at speed through Kilburn one night was amazing.
Did you know that the first Toronto Subway cars were built by Gloucester? They had very O/P/R/Q38 like components, even Wedgelock Couplers ! The trucks bear a family resemblence as do the cabs. Each car had four 68HP motors with, oddly, a right-angle drive. Though reliable, they were overweight from new, the original plan was to sell them on, Peru of all places looked likely as did Athens - Pireaus for our R stock. Like the R stock, the final units were delivered made of Ally, though only one two-car set ever had striplights. A Gloucester has been preserved, at a Canadian Trolley Museum. You can see a whole yard and shed scenes of the TTC Gloucesters on the film "She Cried Murder".
Fantastic. Woodford was my local station in the 60’s as a young boy, I was an underground nut even at 7. I remember my Dad pointing out that the shuttle to Hainault didn’t need a driver and was experimenting on automated signaling.
Oludotun John Showemimo in those days if there was a stock shortage for a working and if it was available and in good running condition, it would be utilized
TRIPLEVALVE62 THE DEPOT okay thanks. So if a line was short in running stock, other stocks that are compatible to run on that line was in good operational shape, they can jump in to help out. Which is why spare 1972 mk2 was helpin out the mk1 72 and 59 stock on the Northern line whilst the spare 1959 stock went to provide temporary support on the Bakerloo line in order to get rid of the 1938 stock there. Eg if the Met line needed more stock, The C and D stocks can jump in to help the A Stock provieded they were not needed too much on the Circle, District and Hammersmith & City lines where they normally work, they are compatible to work on the Met, they were fit and good working order and there were enough spare stock. I know the D Stock did the East London line in 3 car formation while the A Stock went off for driver only work conversion works, not much District Line activity and they were available to fill in.
Oludotun John Showemimo . Yes . The only line that didn’t have the 38’s and 72’s in passenger working was the central . Although one 72mk1 four car set was kept at Hainault for years when it worked the woodford loop . 38 stock was out of gauge east of shepherds bush tunnel wise .
Michael_Sku_Wif the 38’s were slightly higher roof wise just by a fraction, and the clearance problems were between shepherds bush and white city on the central line
so cool getting to peek at them still 🍺 b t w, although I favour the interiors of our own boas their exteriors seem to bear some prudish appearnce if you will: ua-cam.com/video/LlPArfayb4o/v-deo.html
Miss the 1972 mk1 and 59 stock on the Northern Line. They made my childhood. Now a few mk1s are on the Bakerloo line as half units, combined with some of the mk2s as one train.
The Wilf Watters (producer) on the opening title sequence, would that be the same Wilf Watters (film editor) who once worked on BBC Television News back in the 1950s and moved with them from Ally Pally in the 1960s to the newish Television Centre Spur. Great to see his name again. When the TV News department made the move they all thought we were a bunch 'long haired weirdos' and we all wondered if it was true about them wearing spats and full evening gowns. Good to see Wilf's name again and he made it to the big outside world. Good doco too.
Brings back happy memories of my time at Upminster seeing those old Co Cp and R stocks, that was way before LT was infested with the PC generic plastic perambulators such as S7's.
I miss some of these older tube stocks. Yes, by the time they were replaced, some of the trains were looking pretty tatty, but they had character. Everything seems so sterile nowadays.
Edward Pearce I seem to remember from driving those things that you could cut out the rheostatic and brake on EP only. It created more brake dust that way though but it was a LOT smoother when stopping !
Don't remember the 1972mk2s running on the Northern line back then. Guessing the were there to support most of the 59s and 72mk1s whilst the spare 1959s went to the Bakerloo line to cover and get rid of the 1938 stock. As Bakerloo line management later wanted to convert to one person operation, they requested for the 1972mk2s to be transferred over as they were capable of being converted to driver only operation, whilst the 59s were not compatible, as they were built for crew operation. The 1972mk2s were later converted to driver only operation and went to take over on the Bakerloo line, sending the 59s back to the Bakerloo line.
Oludotun John Showemimo I was born in Clapham North in the early 60s. As a very young child when we travelled by tube my mother used to always yell at me ‘don’t go near the edge of the platform!’. As it was an island platform i used to stand in the middle, frozen with fear until the train came in. I literally had nightmares for years about that platform. Just before i started Primary School i moved to the suburbs. I didn’t use that part of the Northern Line again until my early 20s, when i moved into a bedsit at Colliers Wood. The first time i went through Clapham North, after so many years, the station, to my now adult eyes, seemed so small i burst out laughing.
I remember the old blue BR trains. If for some reason there was a delay we would sometimes get the ‘long distance’ blue and white trains. These we called ‘posh’ trains because they had side corridors and First Class carriages. I loved the old red underground trains too. The stations were unique then too. I left London in 1989. In 2017 we went down for my son’s graduation. Everything has changed and seems to have been homogenised. No individuality any more. (Mind you those blue BR trains could be lethal. You would belt along the platform as the train was setting off during rush hour, someone would throw the door open and hands would reach out and haul you in, at speed! All to save a 15 minute wait for the next train. We must have been mad!).
that must've been s o cool, riding out that ice storm without interior lighting (Ealing Common)...and '82 had been when such willed weather reared its ugliness here too, i.e., the lofty, leafy, summertime avenue tunnels were evermore thinned out of existence, plus no maturing has yet to cover any of these marvelous thoroughfares all these decades later either...woke up to war zone that miserably calm morning, limbs and branches strewn everywhere
The old Co/Cp cars had the old CP-30 compressors, which did indeed tick. One of the firms that built those trains built the first trains for Toronto, complete with red paint and "Wedgelock" couplers as used on LT. This was the Gloucester Railway Wagon company. They were known as Red Rockets in Toronto, though there were silver cars too, of ally construction like our R stock sets used on the R49 builds.Sadly all gone bar one two-car pair in Toronto, preserved at a tourist line.
Those flares were a nice touch: literally less "gap" to "mind"! The R stock, (the aluminium/silver flared ones), when stationary used to make a doleful whining that fluctuated in pitch, due to geriatric motor-alternators, I think? A dude from a depot told me it earned them the nickname "Moaning Minnies".
I went for my entrance exam with the underground in the 1990s and failed the exam because I got one question wrong about the timetable. Never got the job ending two generations of my family working for the underground. It was my fault. ☹️
James Mansfield I’m sure it wasn’t . I’ve sat those things a few times about the same time 1991 , their testing is hard and now you’ve got to be the brain of Britain to work on TFL , I share your frustration
@@trainrover original yes , the MK1’s were on the Northern line to fade out the aging 1938 tube stock to release the majority of the 1938’s to the Bakerloo and Northern & City branch , eventually during 1983/84 the remaining 1972 MK2’s transferred over to the Bakerloo with the odd 1959 tube stock diagram as well , although a few trains of 1938 tube stock were still in service on the Bakerloo
Oludotun John Showemimo to cover the stock shortage caused by the release of the aging 1938 stock which went for scrap or to the isle of white . Though mainly the 1972 mk 1 units were northern bound
So there was enough 72mk2 to work its normal Bakerloo service so the spares were sent to the Northern line to jump in for the withdrawn 1938 stock for the meantime. Also, were the 72mk2 2 man working or driver only operation at this time? The painted doors on the mk2 were mainly to tell them apart from their identical looking cousins 1967 and 1972mk1 stocks.
Oludotun John Showemimo correct on both accounts , although the northern line 72’s went over to OPO in the late 80’s , I will confirm that and get back to you
yes ive seen it its films made by Harry Luff the content is much older than here - mostly the 60s, but there is some 80s footage aswell like d stock on the east london line and 1983 stock part of it is on youtube ua-cam.com/video/bVAQT3xcnyI/v-deo.html
I'm old enough to have travelled on all of these trains, how I miss them - particularly the little red 1938 stock (my favourite.) I don't remember what year it was but I have a memory of waiting for a District line train at Barons Court. The D stock was now in full service, but to my surprise a red CO/CP train came into the platform. I was so happy to ride in it once more, it even had the old adverts from when it was last in scheduled service. I don't know why it was taken out of retirement and I never saw it again. It's a very happy and vivid memory though.
The weight of the R & CO/CP stock was always felt as they rumbled into a station. Shame there isnt a unit currently running as Id love to travel on one again. Thanks for the upload
This brings back memories when I was a teen catching those bumpy R49 stocks!
What a great video. Who needs fireworks with that winter lightshow. The only winter I was in London for while the A stock were still around was 2011/12, watching the arcing in the snow at speed through Kilburn one night was amazing.
WorldOfTransit glad you enjoyed.
Brilliant! The entire film is memories of journeys past. Thanks!
instablaster...
That arching! What an amazing capture.
District Line footage taken during the time I was a motorman at Parsons Green. Brought back some good memories.
Did you know that the first Toronto Subway cars were built by Gloucester? They had very O/P/R/Q38 like components, even Wedgelock Couplers ! The trucks bear a family resemblence as do the cabs. Each car had four 68HP motors with, oddly, a right-angle drive. Though reliable, they were overweight from new, the original plan was to sell them on, Peru of all places looked likely as did Athens - Pireaus for our R stock. Like the R stock, the final units were delivered made of Ally, though only one two-car set ever had striplights. A Gloucester has been preserved, at a Canadian Trolley Museum. You can see a whole yard and shed scenes of the TTC Gloucesters on the film "She Cried Murder".
River Huntingdon that’s interesting
Fantastic. Woodford was my local station in the 60’s as a young boy, I was an underground nut even at 7. I remember my Dad pointing out that the shuttle to Hainault didn’t need a driver and was experimenting on automated signaling.
I think it was a test run for the soon to open Victoria line.
1956, 1938, 1962. 1959, 1972 mk1 and mk2 working the Northern Line at the same time. How they did it is amazing.
Oludotun John Showemimo in those days if there was a stock shortage for a working and if it was available and in good running condition, it would be utilized
TRIPLEVALVE62 THE DEPOT okay thanks. So if a line was short in running stock, other stocks that are compatible to run on that line was in good operational shape, they can jump in to help out.
Which is why spare 1972 mk2 was helpin out the mk1 72 and 59 stock on the Northern line whilst the spare 1959 stock went to provide temporary support on the Bakerloo line in order to get rid of the 1938 stock there.
Eg if the Met line needed more stock, The C and D stocks can jump in to help the A Stock provieded they were not needed too much on the Circle, District and Hammersmith & City lines where they normally work, they are compatible to work on the Met, they were fit and good working order and there were enough spare stock.
I know the D Stock did the East London line in 3 car formation while the A Stock went off for driver only work conversion works, not much District Line activity and they were available to fill in.
Oludotun John Showemimo . Yes . The only line that didn’t have the 38’s and 72’s in passenger working was the central . Although one 72mk1 four car set was kept at Hainault for years when it worked the woodford loop . 38 stock was out of gauge east of shepherds bush tunnel wise .
@@Richardsrailway But wasn't the 38 and 62 trains the same size and almost identical in design ? How could one have been out of gauge ?
Michael_Sku_Wif the 38’s were slightly higher roof wise just by a fraction, and the clearance problems were between shepherds bush and white city on the central line
Amazing to see such old stock in colour!
Also was most of the sound dubbed on?
+DANIEL WOODHOUSE I agree.
I liked the r stock and the Co/CP stock
Thank you for sharing this. I miss the sub-surface stock that's just gone out.
Ah! thank you for posting this! I often gave up hoping I'd ever come across a succession of clips featuring CO/CP and R stock..pure bliss!
trainrover your welcome , glad you enjoyed!
so cool getting to peek at them still 🍺 b t w, although I favour the interiors of our own boas their exteriors seem to bear some prudish appearnce if you will: ua-cam.com/video/LlPArfayb4o/v-deo.html
Miss the 1972 mk1 and 59 stock on the Northern Line. They made my childhood.
Now a few mk1s are on the Bakerloo line as half units, combined with some of the mk2s as one train.
The Wilf Watters (producer) on the opening title sequence, would that be the same Wilf Watters (film editor) who once worked on BBC Television News back in the 1950s and moved with them from Ally Pally in the 1960s to the newish Television Centre Spur. Great to see his name again.
When the TV News department made the move they all thought we were a bunch 'long haired weirdos' and we all wondered if it was true about them wearing spats and full evening gowns.
Good to see Wilf's name again and he made it to the big outside world. Good doco too.
Thanks for the upload never seen arcing like this in my life!
This videos are superb, thank you for all of your hard work getting them online.
Cheers Mike ! Glad you enjoyed them .
Brings back happy memories of my time at Upminster seeing those old Co Cp and R stocks, that was way before LT was infested with the PC generic plastic perambulators such as S7's.
River Huntingdon thanks for the info , glad you enjoyed the video
Did you just complain about political correctness in reference to a train?!
@Joe Schmo you must be smoking crack mate
I miss some of these older tube stocks. Yes, by the time they were replaced, some of the trains were looking pretty tatty, but they had character. Everything seems so sterile nowadays.
@Transportriangle The Bakerloo and Central trains will be here for a while... Only the new Piccadilly trains are confirmed
wow i remember the old district line R stock when i was a kid going to school from kew gardens!
Amazing video - one of the best ever!!
Thank you . Glad you enjoyed it
it was nice to see how old the trains were and how long they were in service
That's right ! The stuff they have running about now are of no interest to me apart from from the 72 mk2 and the 1973 tube stock
The 72s are awful things with that rough rheo brake on them.
Yeah the new trains are drab, boring and all the same. The old ones are way better.
Edward Pearce I seem to remember from driving those things that you could cut out the rheostatic and brake on EP only. It created more brake dust that way though but it was a LOT smoother when stopping !
Yep the 1972 mk2, a few mk1s and 1973 stock are still in service on the Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines.
Great sound and lots of variety of stock, location and weather
Don't remember the 1972mk2s running on the Northern line back then.
Guessing the were there to support most of the 59s and 72mk1s whilst the spare 1959s went to the Bakerloo line to cover and get rid of the 1938 stock.
As Bakerloo line management later wanted to convert to one person operation, they requested for the 1972mk2s to be transferred over as they were capable of being converted to driver only operation, whilst the 59s were not compatible, as they were built for crew operation.
The 1972mk2s were later converted to driver only operation and went to take over on the Bakerloo line, sending the 59s back to the Bakerloo line.
Angel and Euston have both rebuilt to single platforms. Only clapham Common and North stations have the island platforms today
Oludotun John Showemimo I was born in Clapham North in the early 60s. As a very young child when we travelled by tube my mother used to always yell at me ‘don’t go near the edge of the platform!’. As it was an island platform i used to stand in the middle, frozen with fear until the train came in. I literally had nightmares for years about that platform.
Just before i started Primary School i moved to the suburbs. I didn’t use that part of the Northern Line again until my early 20s, when i moved into a bedsit at Colliers Wood. The first time i went through Clapham North, after so many years, the station, to my now adult eyes, seemed so small i burst out laughing.
And London Bridge.
I remember the old blue BR trains. If for some reason there was a delay we would sometimes get the ‘long distance’ blue and white trains. These we called ‘posh’ trains because they had side corridors and First Class carriages. I loved the old red underground trains too.
The stations were unique then too. I left London in 1989. In 2017 we went down for my son’s graduation. Everything has changed and seems to have been homogenised. No individuality any more. (Mind you those blue BR trains could be lethal. You would belt along the platform as the train was setting off during rush hour, someone would throw the door open and hands would reach out and haul you in, at speed! All to save a 15 minute wait for the next train. We must have been mad!).
I remember travelling on the R Stock from Upminster to Richmond. It would have been around 1966 when I was six lol
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I remember the R stock trains too! I was just a few yrs old. The bottom is kind of flared like a skirt on the train. interesting design!
The CO, CP and R Stock were in the last years of their lives formed of 7-coach trains that ran at all times.
wow great video lots of happy memories from childhood
At 33:15 amazing capture of two different stock this video is amazing a 57 minutes capture in time. I am seeing this in january 2021.
27:38 still hasn't happened.
27:39 I never knew the Met line extension predated to 1989!
that must've been s o cool, riding out that ice storm without interior lighting (Ealing Common)...and '82 had been when such willed weather reared its ugliness here too, i.e., the lofty, leafy, summertime avenue tunnels were evermore thinned out of existence, plus no maturing has yet to cover any of these marvelous thoroughfares all these decades later either...woke up to war zone that miserably calm morning, limbs and branches strewn everywhere
"Rodding" Valley? Obviously not a local.
My father said the red flared district line trains used to make a loud ticking noise when stationary, is this true?
CanadianMaster1 yes , that was the compressors topping up the air supply for the brakes and train equipment and doors
The old Co/Cp cars had the old CP-30 compressors, which did indeed tick. One of the firms that built those trains built the first trains for Toronto, complete with red paint and "Wedgelock" couplers as used on LT. This was the Gloucester Railway Wagon company. They were known as Red Rockets in Toronto, though there were silver cars too, of ally construction like our R stock sets used on the R49 builds.Sadly all gone bar one two-car pair in Toronto, preserved at a tourist line.
Those flares were a nice touch: literally less "gap" to "mind"! The R stock, (the aluminium/silver flared ones), when stationary used to make a doleful whining that fluctuated in pitch, due to geriatric motor-alternators, I think? A dude from a depot told me it earned them the nickname "Moaning Minnies".
I don't understand what you mean. When the doors were open, there would be no flare!
omg I cannot believe they still didn't tear these old stations down in 2020.
What a stpuid thing to say considering Covid has dominated this year, meaning little if any construction/demolition work can be done. Are you a troll?
I went for my entrance exam with the underground in the 1990s and failed the exam because I got one question wrong about the timetable. Never got the job ending two generations of my family working for the underground. It was my fault.
☹️
James Mansfield I’m sure it wasn’t . I’ve sat those things a few times about the same time 1991 , their testing is hard and now you’ve got to be the brain of Britain to work on TFL , I share your frustration
Whay were some roofs painted maroon and why were ends painted red and white? Was this just corporate identity?
if this is called "LT Review Vol 1" is there a vol 2, or 3 or more? or just this one?
There was on VHS , I believe you can get them on DVD possibly?
When did the Piccadilly line service to Uxbridge stop being peak hours only?
Off peak service was introduced 29th September 1996.
tome86 Was that the same day they introduced off-peak Hammersmith & City services to Barking?
I believe so, yes.
@@MrGriser I think so.
the Victoria Line getting merely narrow platforms...b t w, what stock inaugurated the Jubilee Line?
1972mkII
are the red-door stock also 72Mk2..?
@@trainrover the 72 MK2’s had separate red doors yes
so, would 72Mk1 imply plain doors? sorry, I suppose my recollections've become hazy.......
@@trainrover original yes , the MK1’s were on the Northern line to fade out the aging 1938 tube stock to release the majority of the 1938’s to the Bakerloo and Northern & City branch , eventually during 1983/84 the remaining 1972 MK2’s transferred over to the Bakerloo with the odd 1959 tube stock diagram as well , although a few trains of 1938 tube stock were still in service on the Bakerloo
Why was the 1972 mk2 stock on the Northern line?
Oludotun John Showemimo to cover the stock shortage caused by the release of the aging 1938 stock which went for scrap or to the isle of white . Though mainly the 1972 mk 1 units were northern bound
So there was enough 72mk2 to work its normal Bakerloo service so the spares were sent to the Northern line to jump in for the withdrawn 1938 stock for the meantime.
Also, were the 72mk2 2 man working or driver only operation at this time?
The painted doors on the mk2 were mainly to tell them apart from their identical looking cousins 1967 and 1972mk1 stocks.
Oludotun John Showemimo correct on both accounts , although the northern line 72’s went over to OPO in the late 80’s , I will confirm that and get back to you
Oludotun John Showemimo correct . 72’s were never OPO on the northern .
Wonderful! Is there a Volume 2 of this?
yes ive seen it
its films made by Harry Luff
the content is much older than here - mostly the 60s, but there is some 80s footage aswell like d stock on the east london line and 1983 stock
part of it is on youtube ua-cam.com/video/bVAQT3xcnyI/v-deo.html
What year was the video shot
Miles Campbell unless stated in the footage, early eighties , as the video was released about the same time
@@Richardsrailway no at the end it said 1989
@@bIuebitten4675 it does indeed .But some of the footage was filmed earlier .
Only good trains on the LU today are the 1972 mk 1 and 2 trains plus the 1973 stock. Everything else is boring
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